Shiwah (EUW)
: I was referring to your chat logs. You admit you were retaliating.
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-25T18:12:11.551+0000) > > I was referring to your chat logs. You admit you were retaliating. ...
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:45:26.427+0000) > > EDIT: Btw, You flamed You deserved ban bla bla is a bullshit. 2 people cant be judged the same. This is not real life, and even here, yes, two people can be judged differently. How ? Even if both were reported after the game, the system will check their logs, if both had heavy histories they might both trigger punishments. What punishments ? It will depend if they have been previously punished for breaking the rules or not. >If someone has mental problems He goes to asylum and not jail, Has nothing to do with the game, unless you want to include a Doctor's order to certify if you are fit to play the game or not. In which case I forsee a sharp decline of people playing this game. >Kids are not punished the same as adults. I wonder why is that, and how relevant to the topic this is. >I did not start the fire, I just rightfully punished those who did and used a mirror to fight fire with fire. The first part before the comma is nursery level excuse. The part after the comma is not justice, mate, it's retribution, vengeance, plain and simple. Oh, and you didn't use a mirror, you picked up a burning branch and started a fire of your own; cause the mirror just reflects the light and the image of the fire, not the heat and not the burning. Wanna know what is the mirror? ... The Mute button. >If I see someone hurt others and I defend him, I am fckin bannable? Ok. How are you gonna defend someone, during a game, when arguments need time and effort to prepare so as to not be simple throwbacks of curses and whatnot ? >Self defense is not muting, cuz muting doesnt defend me from 8x reports, cuz Ori called jung but He went mid and they said I am trolling for not playing jungle... Muting doesnt help, If I dont write shit in chat, I still get reported and banned, Thats the problem. This logic doesn't make sense. In fact, if you had simply left it at "*I said kayn somewhere*" and "*you said jungle ori and picked smite*" and then muted them, and tried to jungle with ignite (somewhat improbable) or were more creative and just went Support Kayn with your Top laner, you mostly like would not have suffered anything.
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-25T11:07:25.825+0000) > > This is not real life, and even here, yes, two people can be judged differently. How ? Even if both were reported after the game, the system will check their logs, if both had heavy histories they might both trigger punishments. What punishments ? It will depend if they have been previously punished for breaking the rules or not. > > Has nothing to do with the game, unless you want to include a Doctor's order to certify if you are fit to play the game or not. In which case I forsee a sharp decline of people playing this game. > > I wonder why is that, and how relevant to the topic this is. > > The first part before the comma is nursery level excuse. The part after the comma is not justice, mate, it's retribution, vengeance, plain and simple. Oh, and you didn't use a mirror, you picked up a burning branch and started a fire of your own; cause the mirror just reflects the light and the image of the fire, not the heat and not the burning. Wanna know what is the mirror? ... The Mute button. > > Ok. How are you gonna defend someone, during a game, when arguments need time and effort to prepare so as to not be simple throwbacks of curses and whatnot ? > > This logic doesn't make sense. In fact, if you had simply left it at "*I said kayn somewhere*" and "*you said jungle ori and picked smite*" and then muted them, and tried to jungle with ignite (somewhat improbable) or were more creative and just went Support Kayn with your Top laner, you mostly like would not have suffered anything. I went top lane with my duo and We were the ones who kept the game alive, I already wrote that. After all the time, now that I am not tilted and can think straight, I see one thing. I see that I still dont feel to be rightfully banned and give me the same match, I would do the same, even, If I get banned just to make a joke about this report system and to not obey It and the stupid summoners code. I dont consider myself toxic at all and I dont think I did anything in that match That made honorable, respectable player's experience worse. Toxic behaviour is punishable, which means the people I was flaming deserve and should/would get ban anyway, so me making the experience of players worse is bullshit, because the players who get bad experience from playing with me are already banned in the eyes of the system or atleast t should be. And, usually I start a game with mute all and dont use chat, when ppl flame, I usually dont flame back, I always try to help fellow summoners and I dont flame, but this time, It was necessary and was an ONLY time in years, so I find it bullshit I was banned for this ONE game, when I have thousands of games with good behaviour, so I lost my fckin honor level, which is so hard to level up, while some other ppl who are less supportive and friendly then me can keep their honor level even, If they dont do anything honorable, They dont even communicate, but They keep their honor level, cuz They didnt get a ban. IMO 99 positive games and 1 negative game is better then 100 neutral games, but as I see the Summoners code and the report, honor system favors ppl who just shit on everyone and dont even communicate. Also this ban does not serve anyone, because Its mission would be to help me become a better behavioured player, but I wont, because on fundamental levels, I dont agree with my punishment, which means I cant try to learn becoming better, If I feel that I was already good enough. Its frustrating, rly. On other things, Lets just say, We agree to not agree.
Shiwah (EUW)
: That's not how I usually joke with my friends. Other people don't, either. Why should people need to check if you're premade with someone in order to see if you were joking? Why should you even _think_ that telling someone to kill themselves is a joke? It's one of the few things that can escalate people to immediate bans, so I'm not really surprised that you got punished. It's pretty clear you wanted to retaliate (you're the one who claims to have gotten flamed, after all), so there is absolutely no joke behind your k y s.
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-25T07:49:25.390+0000) > > That's not how I usually joke with my friends. Other people don't, either. > > Why should people need to check if you're premade with someone in order to see if you were joking? Why should you even _think_ that telling someone to kill themselves is a joke? It's one of the few things that can escalate people to immediate bans, so I'm not really surprised that you got punished. > It's pretty clear you wanted to retaliate (you're the one who claims to have gotten flamed, after all), so there is absolutely no joke behind your k y s. I see, You did not read my comments.
Shiwah (EUW)
: That doesn't really answer my question. Is anyone supposed to know it was a joke? And if so, how? Does it "sounding like an innocent word" justify telling someone to die over a video game mishap?
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-25T00:07:16.120+0000) > > That doesn't really answer my question. Is anyone supposed to know it was a joke? And if so, how? > > Does it "sounding like an innocent word" justify telling someone to die over a video game mishap? Yeh, because no one rly uses these for not jokes. Anyone who uses cuss words seriously are fckin bad ppl. They spammed k.y.s at me, so I said, no you k.y.s k.y.s. How are they supposed to know? Maybe Its not only MY CHAT on the chat log? They check that We were premades? If we are supposed to be friendly to each other in lol, then flaming should be seen as a friendly non toxic thing by standard, cuz most friends usually joke at each other.
Shiwah (EUW)
: How is Riot, or the players reporting you, supposed to know that you're wishing your friends to kill themselves by joke? How is telling someone to kill themselves (in your chatlog) helping you with dealing with Orianna?
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T22:22:30.127+0000) > > How is Riot, or the players reporting you, supposed to know that you're wishing your friends to kill themselves by joke? > > How is telling someone to kill themselves (in your chatlog) helping you with dealing with Orianna? They spammed %%%, so I spammed it back to them by joke, didnt even rly care about what It means. Ofc I did know what It means, but It doesnt seem that bad, If Its in this short form. Actually It feels good to say It, Its nearly like kiss and It feels like an innocent word.
GLurch (EUW)
: And how did flaming that Orianna help you in any way? In the end, you just fed the troll. Not to mention, you only made the atmosphere even worse than it already was. You may have been the victim at first, but then, you did the exact same actions as your aggressor. Obviously, you both get treated equally, which is why you both may have been punished. It would also be good if you could share your chat logs with us, although they aren't necessarily needed.
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T22:03:06.036+0000) > > And how did flaming that Orianna help you in any way? In the end, you just fed the troll. Not to mention, you only made the atmosphere even worse than it already was. You may have been the victim at first, but then, you did the exact same actions as your aggressor. Obviously, you both get treated equally, which is why you both may have been punished. > It would also be good if you could share your chat logs with us, although they aren't necessarily needed. "Everyone deserves respect on the Rift" - Says the ban notification. What? If He starts flaming me, He still deserves respect? Game 1 HappyAxidencts: Wow HappyAxidencts: NEW ORIANNA EXHAUST JUNGLE META OP THIS WILL BE NERFED NEXT PATCH TOTALLY HappyAxidencts: You said jung HappyAxidencts: No HappyAxidencts: I had ignite HappyAxidencts: whole time HappyAxidencts: I wrote somewhere HappyAxidencts: I go to supp kayn even if needed HappyAxidencts: idiot HappyAxidencts: yeh HappyAxidencts: shut the fck up HappyAxidencts: yeh I were HappyAxidencts: jungle ignite kayn HappyAxidencts: never said jungű HappyAxidencts: I did call HappyAxidencts: I said kayn somwhere HappyAxidencts: yeg yeg HappyAxidencts: %%% %%% HappyAxidencts: %%% %%% %%% %%% HappyAxidencts: you %%% %%% HappyAxidencts: 8 yo %%% %%% HappyAxidencts: Yeb HappyAxidencts: thanks for pointing that out HappyAxidencts: I am having a fun at you and ori inting HappyAxidencts: nuce report HappyAxidencts: gin there HappyAxidencts: ye ur duo just called jungle and went mid HappyAxidencts: fcj both of urself HappyAxidencts: Me? HappyAxidencts: oh fck HappyAxidencts: sry HappyAxidencts: next time HappyAxidencts: I'll try to HappyAxidencts: chek what game mode I start HappyAxidencts: I am sorry we cant see a proper ori or mao ult HappyAxidencts: yeh me Good thing chat log only containts, What you wrote... Super stupid. And " It doesnt matter who started bla bla " It fckin does. Oh and just to show You how fcked Riot ban system is. My friends already had each other banned... Cuz Sometimes We act like we dont know each other and do some bullshit funny drama and We say %%% and things to each other by fckin joke. Its a fckin meme. And others can report You and, Riot only sees the cuss words and bans you, because You were joking with your friend. Disgusting bullshit.
: >If I let them go through with bullying, then They win and muting? I could mute them and laugh that They may still flame at me, while They dont know, which is important, but on the other hand fcks up everything. They still think They are owning me and theres no reason for me to laugh on them, If they dont know that they are laughed at. I may not be a judge, but I act accordingly to given situations. The league ban system is not rly doing a good job as I see. I see flame every game from ppl who usually dont get ban, but I did. So congs on that tho. A person should not be able to be punished for giving someone what he deserves. then this game is not suited for you, good day.
> [{quoted}](name=DaahRealLeon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T21:43:27.829+0000) > > then this game is not suited for you, good day. It was for 5 years. Its the community thats not suited to me.
GLurch (EUW)
: >8x report The amount of reports does not matter. After 1 report the system investigates your case, all other reports after that do nothing. >so I fckin flamed back Even if they flamed first, that is no excuse. If someone is flaming you, all you can do is mute and ignore them. After the game, you can report them. Does flaming them back stop them from flaming? Does it help anyone else in your team? No, it only makes the situation worse. >There are problems and They are not on my side. Actually, they are. Riots report system analyzes the reports of players and accordingly judges what the community deems as unacceptable behavior. Meaning, the community wouldn't have enjoyed that match with you. Then, there is also the fact that everything I'm stating is already written in the Terms of Use. You agree to them every patch and they clearly state, that what you did is NOT allowed. I quote: "5.1 [...] In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior. The following are examples of behavior that warrant disciplinary measures: [...] iii. Harassing, stalking or threatening other users in the Game" Summoners Code: "We’ve all had tough games where we fell behind, got camped super hard or missed an easy smite, only to get flamed in chat. Avoid making others feel that same way and report the ones who do." >Sorry for not licking everyones ass out and being a friendly hypocrite. No one asks that of you. You are just asked to say nothing if you have nothing good to say.
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-07-24T21:20:01.186+0000) > > The amount of reports does not matter. After 1 report the system investigates your case, all other reports after that do nothing. > > Even if they flamed first, that is no excuse. If someone is flaming you, all you can do is mute and ignore them. After the game, you can report them. Does flaming them back stop them from flaming? Does it help anyone else in your team? No, it only makes the situation worse. > > Actually, they are. Riots report system analyzes the reports of players and accordingly judges what the community deems as unacceptable behavior. Meaning, the community wouldn't have enjoyed that match with you. Then, there is also the fact that everything I'm stating is already written in the Terms of Use. You agree to them every patch and they clearly state, that what you did is NOT allowed. I quote: > "5.1 > [...] In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior. > The following are examples of behavior that warrant disciplinary measures: > [...] > iii. Harassing, stalking or threatening other users in the Game" > > Summoners Code: > "We’ve all had tough games where we fell behind, got camped super hard or missed an easy smite, only to get flamed in chat. Avoid making others feel that same way and report the ones who do." > > No one asks that of you. You are just asked to say nothing if you have nothing good to say. Hiding my disgust wouldnt be better at all. "Harassing, stalking or threatening" Yeh, my flaming doesnt look like that at all. Summoners code, yeh. I accepted It a long time ago, since I changed. I am playing prob like since 2012 and I can say that I am far above the community standard in behaviour, not like how the ban notification said to me in the game. I dont agree with the summoners code anymore, If It says It was rightful to punish me. My values are different and I prefer them. They are more important and, If I am banned that can either mean I am at fault or It can mean that the summoners code is at fault. I say the second. Perspective is everything btw, I knew I am going to get flamed in a ban post like everyone does in cs go, gta 5 or any other game with ban posts. Let Youmu not be a youtuber, He gets no recognition for riot and doesnt get unbanned. Let him make a post on forums, him not being popular youtuber, He gets flamed, He got banned rightfully. Yeh, Thats why he is unbanned. Tribunal was good, I like It, I used It and when I got a ban under the tribunal system, I could see that I was at fault and that I was rightfully banned. I can not say the same. Check the thread, impracticality. Guy even posted his chatlog, He didnt say anything bannable and got a permaban. His thread is unliked and everyone hates on him... Just like on me. How is it the unbanned people are more of toxic haters then the ones banned. Pretty ironic. EDIT: I used to be a flamer like 3 years ago and You know what helped me? Not the bans. I just got tired of anger, rage, drama, cuz all my life I had a pretty flashy abusive family and I was using teamspeak and league for angermanagement, but I got tired. A bird shits on me, I dont even get suprised and I dont even give a fck anymore. But... That fckin Ori super tilted me. She called jungle and flamed me for not jungling and I am the one getting punished. DISGUSTING. It makes me remember a game, a ranked game from liek 2 years ago. I got TOP lane and our support asked me to pick soraka for him, I did, I asked her to pick Riven for me, She did, only She did not swap with me, She laughed, I flamed her, She then started intentionally feeding. I dont remember her getting a ban, but I fckin did, Thats when I got my 1 week ban. Why? Because someone trolled me. Totally DISGUSTING. You know what other things It resembles? When a You give money to a poor kid, then hours later You get robbed by the kid's family or When You fall and hit your head in the floor, It hurts, You cry and You father hits you for falling. Its like, They punish you for something that is already a punishment to You. You get punished for being a victim.
: still your own fault for actually talking back to them. mute and go on. no more to it.
> [{quoted}](name=DaahRealLeon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T20:21:32.923+0000) > > still your own fault for actually talking back to them. mute and go on. no more to it. If I let them go through with bullying, then They win and muting? I could mute them and laugh that They may still flame at me, while They dont know, which is important, but on the other hand fcks up everything. They still think They are owning me and theres no reason for me to laugh on them, If they dont know that they are laughed at. I may not be a judge, but I act accordingly to given situations. The league ban system is not rly doing a good job as I see. I see flame every game from ppl who usually dont get ban, but I did. So congs on that tho. A person should not be able to be punished for giving someone what he deserves.
: > [{quoted}](name=Blitzcrick,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=m0fAuMsf,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-07-24T17:05:55.106+0000) > > even tho i was negative ...( coz in reality we are humans with feelings that sometimes needs to be expressed ) i havent flamed him ... I mean...it's not like humans have this thing called "self-control" or something. But even leaving that aside, the fact that it's been said already in this thread hasn't made it less worth repeating - chatlogs or it didn't happen. If you really want to use this anecdote as proof for the statement in the title, the fact that you aren't posting your chatlogs only serves to obfuscate information that could shed light on how "impractical" the punishment system really is. _**EDIT:**_ Ok, so it was posted before I made this comment. Fair enough, but all that ultimately means is that yes, your punishment was indeed fair if that really was your chatlog. Almost like being negative in this game is a _bad thing_ or something. The problem isn't a case of disproportionate retribution on the part of the punishment system - the problem is that you think that other people's misgivings gives you the moral right to treat them like garbage in return. Sorry, but that's not how things work here.
> [{quoted}](name=Cobaltmotari,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=m0fAuMsf,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:01:08.455+0000) > > I mean...it's not like humans have this thing called "self-control" or something. But even leaving that aside, the fact that it's been said already in this thread hasn't made it less worth repeating - chatlogs or it didn't happen. If you really want to use this anecdote as proof for the statement in the title, the fact that you aren't posting your chatlogs only serves to obfuscate information that could shed light on how "impractical" the punishment system really is. His chatlog was posted a hour before You wrote your comments. Guess whose toxic and would deserve a ban.
: but you got banned for toxicity? not trolling, right? the whole you not jungling doesnt matter in your punishment
> [{quoted}](name=DaahRealLeon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:55:34.585+0000) > > but you got banned for toxicity? not trolling, right? the whole you not jungling doesnt matter in your punishment It does, because they triggered me with their disgusting behaviour and They started provoking me.
Tarolock (EUW)
: >Its not the rule breakers who should get punished, but the bad people. what kind of logic is that? rules are there to determine who are the good and bad ppl, the ppl who break the rules are the bad ones and they should be punished
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0000000000010000000100010000,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:23:42.394+0000) > > what kind of logic is that? rules are there to determine who are the good and bad ppl, the ppl who break the rules are the bad ones and they should be punished That is bullshit. Bad people may find holes or avoid getting caught, They may be scared to break rules, but may be ill willed and want others to suffer. While some good people who like to help others may break a rule once in a while. My logic is totally flawless, Its the system that isnt today. Todays systems are not good, They are just the best available ones, but We dont live in an enlightened utopia with equality and without racism and hate and we wont probably for thousands of years, because of human nature. I could go head againts the system and the rules and That may only mean Its the rules that are bad, not me.
Tarolock (EUW)
: >I can use self defense the amount of ppl who dont know what self defense is too damn high... if someone shoots at you and you shoot back its not self defense, its retaliation, which is the same crime, self defense is either putting on a bulletproof vest/hiding behind stuff/tackling the shooter so he cant shoot you/making him unable to shoot without doing any harm to him, thats self defense in game if someone flames you you can use the mute function, removing the ability from them to flame you, then after the game you can report them for flaming, with that method you cant be punished since you did not break the rules, no matter if you get reported by all 9 other player
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00000000000100010000,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:17:43.676+0000) > > the amount of ppl who dont know what self defense is too damn high... > > if someone shoots at you and you shoot back its not self defense, its retaliation, which is the same crime, self defense is either putting on a bulletproof vest/hiding behind stuff/tackling the shooter so he cant shoot you/making him unable to shoot without doing any harm to him, thats self defense > > in game if someone flames you you can use the mute function, removing the ability from them to flame you, then after the game you can report them for flaming, with that method you cant be punished since you did not break the rules, no matter if you get reported by all 9 other player Yeh, cuz bulletproof vest would help you, If you are attacked by people with guns, while you don fight back. No, It wont help. Bad thing people go to the courts with self defense, while they retaliated in your opinion.
House x33 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:38:10.451+0000) > > Yeh, people who get reported for not playing Jungle, while others called jungle. I am sorry that You cant actually read and understand what I wrote down. I am not at fault and If in your eyes I am and I am the toxic person, Then I am sorry to break it down, but, If there would be hell, I would not be the one burning there. But you know life aint fair, people dont get what they deserve. Me getting banned does not mean that I am toxic or I deserved It, It means I got ban, while my toxic teammates did not. So, you can't stand above people like this, mute them and report them after the game? You had to flame them, probably insult them as well.
> [{quoted}](name=House x33,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:52:33.105+0000) > > So, you can't stand above people like this, mute them and report them after the game? You had to flame them, probably insult them as well. I wont just let them throw plates at me. Muting would have not helped, cuz I was mass reported for TROLLING.
: I am sorry I was not able to open your eyes. I fear that, in time, you will be back complaining about what you perceive as an unjust permaban.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000200000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:12:44.290+0000) > > I am sorry I was not able to open your eyes. I fear that, in time, you will be back complaining about what you perceive as an unjust permaban. Yeh, cuz You know Its not unjust. Sorry that You have the worst personality I ever saw, the passive agressive one. You do not break rules, You cant be offended for being an offender, but You silently offend others. Its something I call disgusting. You dont care a little bit about me, You just write in this style just to tilt me more. Super disgusting and this disgusting thing does not get a ban. Straightforward honesty is punishable, but lying, manipulating and twisting words is not. Its better to just say %%%% you, then say what you did. > [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000200000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:12:44.290+0000) > > I am sorry I was not able to open your eyes. I fear that, in time, you will be back complaining about what you perceive as an unjust permaban. Give me permaban I wont complain, cuz It would mean this game does not deserve me. Unjust ban is unjust ban, be it complaining or not.
: I am sorry I was not able to open your eyes. I fear that, in time, you will be back complaining about what you perceive as an unjust permaban.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000200000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:12:44.290+0000) > > I am sorry I was not able to open your eyes. I fear that, in time, you will be back complaining about what you perceive as an unjust permaban. Yeh, cuz You know Its not unjust. Sorry that You have the worst personality I ever saw, the passive agressive one. You do not break rules, You cant be offended for being an offender, but You silently offend others. Its something I call disgusting. You dont care a little bit about me, You just write in this style just to tilt me more. Super disgusting and this disgusting thing does not get a ban. Straightforward honesty is punishable, but lying, manipulating and twisting words is not. Its better to just say %%%% you, then say what you did.
Tarolock (EUW)
: you cant understand that there are no rules for roles in blind, it does not matter if you called a lane already its not "yours", and if noone called a lane it does not mean you can go there and youll be the only one there, there are no rules for that, if you want to get your lane go draft, if you want to play a champ that is permabanned in draft suck it up and go blind but dont complain if you cant sololane with it, for example the only place with double top is blind atm if noone wants to try jungle >I see people break the rules much harder then I do everygame, They dont get banned. and how do you know they are not banned? you didnt got the message? you dont always get it, they are still playing even after you reported them? they prolly got the first punishment which is chat restriction only >If I got ban rightfully, then 80% of the lol community should be on ban right now, They are not. if you break the rules you get banned, its that easy, i never broke the rules and i never got punishment
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00000000000100000001,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:01:59.151+0000) > > you cant understand that there are no rules for roles in blind, it does not matter if you called a lane already its not "yours", and if noone called a lane it does not mean you can go there and youll be the only one there, there are no rules for that, if you want to get your lane go draft, if you want to play a champ that is permabanned in draft suck it up and go blind but dont complain if you cant sololane with it, for example the only place with double top is blind atm if noone wants to try jungle > > and how do you know they are not banned? you didnt got the message? you dont always get it, they are still playing even after you reported them? they prolly got the first punishment which is chat restriction only > > if you break the rules you get banned, its that easy, i never broke the rules and i never got punishment Yeh, never broke a rule... You know why rules exist? To controll ppl, give safety and to filter bad people. You know whats the problem? Rules dont always filter bad ppl, bad ppl avoid breaking rules and sometimes good people break rules. Problem is, Its not the rule breakers who should get punished, but the bad people.
Tarolock (EUW)
: you cant understand that there are no rules for roles in blind, it does not matter if you called a lane already its not "yours", and if noone called a lane it does not mean you can go there and youll be the only one there, there are no rules for that, if you want to get your lane go draft, if you want to play a champ that is permabanned in draft suck it up and go blind but dont complain if you cant sololane with it, for example the only place with double top is blind atm if noone wants to try jungle >I see people break the rules much harder then I do everygame, They dont get banned. and how do you know they are not banned? you didnt got the message? you dont always get it, they are still playing even after you reported them? they prolly got the first punishment which is chat restriction only >If I got ban rightfully, then 80% of the lol community should be on ban right now, They are not. if you break the rules you get banned, its that easy, i never broke the rules and i never got punishment
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00000000000100000001,timestamp=2017-07-24T19:01:59.151+0000) > > you cant understand that there are no rules for roles in blind, it does not matter if you called a lane already its not "yours", and if noone called a lane it does not mean you can go there and youll be the only one there, there are no rules for that, if you want to get your lane go draft, if you want to play a champ that is permabanned in draft suck it up and go blind but dont complain if you cant sololane with it, for example the only place with double top is blind atm if noone wants to try jungle > > and how do you know they are not banned? you didnt got the message? you dont always get it, they are still playing even after you reported them? they prolly got the first punishment which is chat restriction only > > if you break the rules you get banned, its that easy, i never broke the rules and i never got punishment What are you talking about? "and go blind but dont complain if you cant sololane with it," Who complained? Did you even read what I wrote down? I did not call a lane, picked Kayn and said I can go anywhere. Ori called JUNGLE. He did not got Jungle. They flamed me. I went top with my duo, cuz I didnt want to fck up mid lane with duo. We won top lane, but I was flamed by Ori and bot lane for not picking Jungle. Thats what made me flame back and get a ban. I was the one being flamed, when I was not the one at fault. Cant you understand? I dont care about punishment, but when my little brother breaks a window and He says I did It and the parents believe It and I am the one punished, Thats UNFAIR and Feels bad. I am one for justice, I am the one who wants justice and I am the one who gets punished for being a good person and wanting real justice. "If you break the rules you get banned, its that easy" If It works like that I dont want to live and It does not work like that in real life. Kids and ppl with mental problems dont get the same treatment at breaking rules, nor do victims. I am a victim, so I should be treated differently. People go out and cuss worlds on the street, People go protest, being vulgar etc and They dont get punished. Freedom of speech yeh whatever. I dont like freedom of speech, but If We have It then let me fckin flame someone who flames me. Thats fair. I dont have ill wills. I have a good heart and thats the only thing that should be considered. There are bad people out there who act friendly, psyhopaths and such, Should they not be punished for being bad people, cuz usually They act friendly before doing some killing or smh?
: Have you received an email with the chat logs? I'm not sure if you get them for suspension too, or just permas.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:50:43.518+0000) > > Have you received an email with the chat logs? I'm not sure if you get them for suspension too, or just permas. Yeh I did and I see worse every game and I like how I can not see my teammates writings, so I can not see how much worse they were. 1 chat log, not chat logs. I was banned for ONE game, while probably everyone who wrote in this fckin topic was MORE TOXIC then I was in the game and You know what. They did not get a ban.
: The automated system is the investigation. If you disagree with its findings, you are always free to complain to Riot Support and have one of their employees personally examine your case. > You cant take a lesson on something that You don't need to learn. This punishment does not teach me anything, because I am not the one who should learn. I am saddened by this. You will lose your account unless you change, mate. Is losing your account really worth getting back at some schmuck you will never see again in your life?
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0002000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:49:29.119+0000) > > The automated system is the investigation. If you disagree with its findings, you are always free to complain to Riot Support and have one of their employees personally examine your case. > > I am saddened by this. You will lose your account unless you change, mate. Is losing your account really worth getting back at some schmuck you will never see again in your life? Saddened by what? I dont consider myself toxic or rightfully banned. Thats It and I dont wanna change, because I feel that all my actions were rightful and not punishable. I am the victim here and If someone wants to kill me I can use self defense, but I cant flame back, cuz ppl threatened to mass report me? People can fckin use cuss words out in the streets, They can go out and protest, be vulgar and all that shit. But I get banned for flaming BAD PEOPLE who FLAMED ME ? In a fckin game? I wrote 2 cuss words? Oh man fck. I still gave more food to African kids, then You guys, but I am the toxic one, Thats the problem.
Tarolock (EUW)
: >cuz NOBODY called mid. its blind pick, there are no rules on roles, you can go 5man mid, or 3 top 2 jungle, there are no rules against it >While they actually int fed I got a nice 2 week report and a level 0 honor. Good thing this report system works againts toxic ppl and makes people better. oh It does not. it does not work like that, if you get 1000000 reports but did not break rules nothing happens, on the other hand if you start flaming in chat 1 report is enough to get your punishment, and since you got a 2 week ban its either your 3rd time getting punishments or you got the instant 2 week ban for intentionally feeding >If I even start playing lol again, I'll probably rly become toxic now, cuz I feel anger towards the game and community and I feel like they deserve to be flamed. yup, theres a saying: if you cant beat them join them. but that wont fix the problem, it just adds to it, and at the end youll be banned and ill just happily play knowing that 1 less toxic player plays >If they dont think they are rightfully thrown into the jail and I dont fckin feel that I was banned, you accepted the rules when you created the account and at every big update, if you break them youll get punished
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:47:59.458+0000) > > its blind pick, there are no rules on roles, you can go 5man mid, or 3 top 2 jungle, there are no rules against it > > it does not work like that, if you get 1000000 reports but did not break rules nothing happens, on the other hand if you start flaming in chat 1 report is enough to get your punishment, and since you got a 2 week ban its either your 3rd time getting punishments or you got the instant 2 week ban for intentionally feeding > > yup, theres a saying: if you cant beat them join them. but that wont fix the problem, it just adds to it, and at the end youll be banned and ill just happily play knowing that 1 less toxic player plays > > you accepted the rules when you created the account and at every big update, if you break them youll get punished It does work like that. I see people break the rules much harder then I do everygame, They dont get banned. Is it hard to understand? If I got ban rightfully, then 80% of the lol community should be on ban right now, They are not. Yeh, Its blind, but I see you did not read what I was saying. I didnt call a lane, a person called Jungle, so I took my Kayn, changed smite and went mid lane, cuz nobody picked mid lane champion. Then last seconds We got exhaust ori mid and I was flamed by the team for TROLLING, for not picking jungle. Cant you understand? > [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:47:59.458+0000) > > its blind pick, there are no rules on roles, you can go 5man mid, or 3 top 2 jungle, there are no rules against it > > it does not work like that, if you get 1000000 reports but did not break rules nothing happens, on the other hand if you start flaming in chat 1 report is enough to get your punishment, and since you got a 2 week ban its either your 3rd time getting punishments or you got the instant 2 week ban for intentionally feeding > > yup, theres a saying: if you cant beat them join them. but that wont fix the problem, it just adds to it, and at the end youll be banned and ill just happily play knowing that 1 less toxic player plays > > you accepted the rules when you created the account and at every big update, if you break them youll get punished Its ill wishing that should be banned and The ill wisher is not me. Btw victims may break rules but usually do not get punished and If someone tries to kill me, I can use self defense, but If someone flames me, I cant flame back? We got freedom of speech anyway, dont we?
: > [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:47:59.458+0000) > > its blind pick, there are no rules on roles, you can go 5man mid, or 3 top 2 jungle, there are no rules against it > > it does not work like that, if you get 1000000 reports but did not break rules nothing happens, on the other hand if you start flaming in chat 1 report is enough to get your punishment, and since you got a 2 week ban its either your 3rd time getting punishments or you got the instant 2 week ban for intentionally feeding > > yup, theres a saying: if you cant beat them join them. but that wont fix the problem, it just adds to it, and at the end youll be banned and ill just happily play knowing that 1 less toxic player plays > > you accepted the rules when you created the account and at every big update, if you break them youll get punished It does work like that. I see people break the rules much harder then I do everygame, They dont get banned. Is it hard to understand? If I got ban rightfully, then 80% of the lol community should be on ban right now, They are not. Yeh, Its blind, but I see you did not read what I was saying. I didnt call a lane, a person called Jungle, so I took my Kayn, changed smite and went mid lane, cuz nobody picked mid lane champion. Then last seconds We got exhaust ori mid and I was flamed by the team for TROLLING, for not picking jungle. Cant you understand?
> [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:51:13.877+0000) > > It does work like that. I see people break the rules much harder then I do everygame, They dont get banned. Is it hard to understand? If I got ban rightfully, then 80% of the lol community should be on ban right now, They are not. > > Yeh, Its blind, but I see you did not read what I was saying. I didnt call a lane, a person called Jungle, so I took my Kayn, changed smite and went mid lane, cuz nobody picked mid lane champion. Then last seconds We got exhaust ori mid and I was flamed by the team for TROLLING, for not picking jungle. Cant you understand? I am the victim here and I am the one who gets punished.
Tarolock (EUW)
: >cuz NOBODY called mid. its blind pick, there are no rules on roles, you can go 5man mid, or 3 top 2 jungle, there are no rules against it >While they actually int fed I got a nice 2 week report and a level 0 honor. Good thing this report system works againts toxic ppl and makes people better. oh It does not. it does not work like that, if you get 1000000 reports but did not break rules nothing happens, on the other hand if you start flaming in chat 1 report is enough to get your punishment, and since you got a 2 week ban its either your 3rd time getting punishments or you got the instant 2 week ban for intentionally feeding >If I even start playing lol again, I'll probably rly become toxic now, cuz I feel anger towards the game and community and I feel like they deserve to be flamed. yup, theres a saying: if you cant beat them join them. but that wont fix the problem, it just adds to it, and at the end youll be banned and ill just happily play knowing that 1 less toxic player plays >If they dont think they are rightfully thrown into the jail and I dont fckin feel that I was banned, you accepted the rules when you created the account and at every big update, if you break them youll get punished
> [{quoted}](name=Tarolock,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:47:59.458+0000) > > its blind pick, there are no rules on roles, you can go 5man mid, or 3 top 2 jungle, there are no rules against it > > it does not work like that, if you get 1000000 reports but did not break rules nothing happens, on the other hand if you start flaming in chat 1 report is enough to get your punishment, and since you got a 2 week ban its either your 3rd time getting punishments or you got the instant 2 week ban for intentionally feeding > > yup, theres a saying: if you cant beat them join them. but that wont fix the problem, it just adds to it, and at the end youll be banned and ill just happily play knowing that 1 less toxic player plays > > you accepted the rules when you created the account and at every big update, if you break them youll get punished It does work like that. I see people break the rules much harder then I do everygame, They dont get banned. Is it hard to understand? If I got ban rightfully, then 80% of the lol community should be on ban right now, They are not. Yeh, Its blind, but I see you did not read what I was saying. I didnt call a lane, a person called Jungle, so I took my Kayn, changed smite and went mid lane, cuz nobody picked mid lane champion. Then last seconds We got exhaust ori mid and I was flamed by the team for TROLLING, for not picking jungle. Cant you understand?
: That's not how reports work mate. As I explained in a reply on my main comment on this post, Riot's report system only triggers investigations. It doesn't matter how many people report you. If you are guilty of breaking Riot's rules, you get punished. If you are innocent, the reports are ignored. Also, writing in chat "report x player" is reportable in itself, as a form of harassment.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:43:16.393+0000) > > That's not how reports work mate. As I explained in a reply on my main comment on this post, Riot's report system only triggers investigations. It doesn't matter how many people report you. If you are guilty of breaking Riot's rules, you get punished. If you are innocent, the reports are ignored. > Also, writing in chat "report x player" is reportable in itself, as a form of harassment. You cant believe that bullshit. I reported many Intentionaly AFKers and flamers and I probably got notification only once, that someone was banned who I reported and I repored MANY people with MUCH WORSE behaviour then mine. Guess who got bann? Me. EDIT: Btw, You flamed You deserved ban bla bla is a bullshit. 2 people cant be judged the same. If someone has mental problems He goes to asylum and not jail, Kids are not punished the same as adults. I did not start the fire, I just rightfully punished those who did and used a mirror to fight fire with fire. If I see someone hurt others and I defend him, I am fckin bannable? Self defense is not muting, cuz muting doesnt defend me from 8x reports, cuz Ori called jung but He went mid and they said I am trolling for not playing jungle... Muting doesnt help, If I dont write shit in chat, I still get reported and banned, Thats the problem.
: Wow, you really did go off the rails then. That's usually (to my knowledge) reserved for homophobia, racism, etc. (if you haven't had a history of prior punishment, that is). I'll never understand why people rage so much over what other say. The mute button is right over there, use it the very second someone says something that annoys you. I feel it's only fair to warn you, as a friend and a fellow player. Once the suspension ends, there is a very tiny gap between you and a permaban. A lot of players get fooled thinking that a perma deserves something much worse than what got them the 14 day suspension - it doesn't. Just one report is enough, should it be proven true by Riot investigation. I should also mention that you seem to have the wrong idea on how reports work. It doesn't matter what people say in the reports, or how many reports are sent. You can get reported by one person, or by all nine. If the investigation finds you guilty, you will be punished. If you are found innocent, those reports are ignored. I hope you take this as a lesson, and that things turn for better for you in the future.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:39:06.751+0000) > > Wow, you really did go off the rails then. That's usually (to my knowledge) reserved for homophobia, racism, etc. (if you haven't had a history of prior punishment, that is). > I'll never understand why people rage so much over what other say. The mute button is right over there, use it the very second someone says something that annoys you. > I feel it's only fair to warn you, as a friend and a fellow player. Once the suspension ends, there is a very tiny gap between you and a permaban. A lot of players get fooled thinking that a perma deserves something much worse than what got them the 14 day suspension - it doesn't. Just one report is enough, should it be proven true by Riot investigation. I should also mention that you seem to have the wrong idea on how reports work. It doesn't matter what people say in the reports, or how many reports are sent. You can get reported by one person, or by all nine. If the investigation finds you guilty, you will be punished. If you are found innocent, those reports are ignored. > I hope you take this as a lesson, and that things turn for better for you in the future. Theres no riot investigation. Its automatic ban system, people can get banned for troll reports. Homophobia, racism? Rly? I rly did go off the rails? Check what the fck did I write. I see much worse every game and theres 0 racism or homophobia. > [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:39:06.751+0000) > > Wow, you really did go off the rails then. That's usually (to my knowledge) reserved for homophobia, racism, etc. (if you haven't had a history of prior punishment, that is). > I'll never understand why people rage so much over what other say. The mute button is right over there, use it the very second someone says something that annoys you. > I feel it's only fair to warn you, as a friend and a fellow player. Once the suspension ends, there is a very tiny gap between you and a permaban. A lot of players get fooled thinking that a perma deserves something much worse than what got them the 14 day suspension - it doesn't. Just one report is enough, should it be proven true by Riot investigation. I should also mention that you seem to have the wrong idea on how reports work. It doesn't matter what people say in the reports, or how many reports are sent. You can get reported by one person, or by all nine. If the investigation finds you guilty, you will be punished. If you are found innocent, those reports are ignored. > I hope you take this as a lesson, and that things turn for better for you in the future. You cant take a lesson on something that You dont need to learn. This punishment does not teach me anything, because I am not the one who should learn.
: Wow, you really did go off the rails then. That's usually (to my knowledge) reserved for homophobia, racism, etc. (if you haven't had a history of prior punishment, that is). I'll never understand why people rage so much over what other say. The mute button is right over there, use it the very second someone says something that annoys you. I feel it's only fair to warn you, as a friend and a fellow player. Once the suspension ends, there is a very tiny gap between you and a permaban. A lot of players get fooled thinking that a perma deserves something much worse than what got them the 14 day suspension - it doesn't. Just one report is enough, should it be proven true by Riot investigation. I should also mention that you seem to have the wrong idea on how reports work. It doesn't matter what people say in the reports, or how many reports are sent. You can get reported by one person, or by all nine. If the investigation finds you guilty, you will be punished. If you are found innocent, those reports are ignored. I hope you take this as a lesson, and that things turn for better for you in the future.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:39:06.751+0000) > > Wow, you really did go off the rails then. That's usually (to my knowledge) reserved for homophobia, racism, etc. (if you haven't had a history of prior punishment, that is). > I'll never understand why people rage so much over what other say. The mute button is right over there, use it the very second someone says something that annoys you. > I feel it's only fair to warn you, as a friend and a fellow player. Once the suspension ends, there is a very tiny gap between you and a permaban. A lot of players get fooled thinking that a perma deserves something much worse than what got them the 14 day suspension - it doesn't. Just one report is enough, should it be proven true by Riot investigation. I should also mention that you seem to have the wrong idea on how reports work. It doesn't matter what people say in the reports, or how many reports are sent. You can get reported by one person, or by all nine. If the investigation finds you guilty, you will be punished. If you are found innocent, those reports are ignored. > I hope you take this as a lesson, and that things turn for better for you in the future. Theres no riot investigation. Its automatic ban system, people can get banned for troll reports. Homophobia, racism? Rly? I rly did go off the rails? Check what the fck did I write. I see much worse every game and theres 0 racism or homophobia.
House x33 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:33:39.330+0000) > > Oh. Doesnt that sound toxic? Sorry, but I prob have better moral values then You, btw. Well, it's people like you that make this community the way it is.
> [{quoted}](name=House x33,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:35:28.972+0000) > > Well, it's people like you that make this community the way it is. Yeh, people who get reported for not playing Jungle, while others called jungle. I am sorry that You cant actually read and understand what I wrote down. I am not at fault and If in your eyes I am and I am the toxic person, Then I am sorry to break it down, but, If there would be hell, I would not be the one burning there. But you know life aint fair, people dont get what they deserve. Me getting banned does not mean that I am toxic or I deserved It, It means I got ban, while my toxic teammates did not.
: Dude. Nobody cares. You broke the rules by flaming. And given how hard it is to go anywhere in honor rankings, I'd say this wasn't your first time you got toxic in chat.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:26:29.898+0000) > > Dude. Nobody cares. You broke the rules by flaming. And given how hard it is to go anywhere in honor rankings, I'd say this wasn't your first time you got toxic in chat. I was banned for that 1 game, If I would have not been, then the ban notification would write all my games. It says, Game 1 and thats all. All games are listed in a ban with a chat. I only got 1 game chat, I was banned for 1 game, for being reported by multiple people, not for being toxic. Thanks for actually learning to read guys.
House x33 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:25:04.262+0000) > > Yeh, game 1 no more games. I wasnt toxic in like the last 100 games and sorry, I dont think past year games matter. They spammed %%% %%%, so I did too, so much toxicity. They did not get ban, I did get ban, You know who was toxic? They were. This community is cancerous and lol writes that I am far below standards... Good to know, good people are below standards of a cancerous community. And you are part of this community... too bad..
> [{quoted}](name=House x33,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:27:08.207+0000) > > And you are part of this community... too bad.. Oh. Doesnt that sound toxic? Sorry, but I prob have better moral values then You, btw.
: Ah, fair enough. Did you also get chat restrictions or some other form of punishment? Because if honor is the worst thing to have happened to you, I'd count myself lucky.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:30:51.289+0000) > > Ah, fair enough. Did you also get chat restrictions or some other form of punishment? Because if honor is the worst thing to have happened to you, I'd count myself lucky. I got supsended. I cant play. So lucky.
: Dishonorable...
NEW ORIANNA EXHAUST JUNGLE META OP THIS WILL BE NERFED NEXT PATCH TOTALLY, I am sorry we cant see a proper ori or mao ult, I am having a fun at you and ori inting, fck both of yourself, k.y.s k.y.s I said these. 1 Game not 2, I was banned for this one game. They spammed K.Y.S and flamed me as I said and I dont see their ban and I see twice this shit every other game. If I was banned, I guess half of the ppl I played in my life should be banned too.
: Whoa, you actually managed to go **down** the honor ranking? Wow, now that takes come commitment to toxicity.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:24:50.736+0000) > > Whoa, you actually managed to go **down** the honor ranking? Wow, now that takes come commitment to toxicity. I see you dont even know how it works. It gets reset to level 0, If you get punished. You cant down the honor ranking by other means, Its not about being reported once or flaming. Its about just getting punished and I did get punished, I did not say, It was rightful, but that doesnt matter for this game.
: if you flamed, you get punished. and i bet this isnt your first game being toxic in chat, it rarely happens so that you get banned for a single game unless you became very offensive. and even if your teammates "told lies", why did you get banned? cause the lied? i dont think so.
> [{quoted}](name=DaahRealLeon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:22:05.556+0000) > > if you flamed, you get punished. and i bet this isnt your first game being toxic in chat, it rarely happens so that you get banned for a single game unless you became very offensive. > > and even if your teammates "told lies", why did you get banned? cause the lied? i dont think so. Yeh, game 1 no more games. I wasnt toxic in like the last 100 games and sorry, I dont think past year games matter. They spammed %%% %%%, so I did too, so much toxicity. They did not get ban, I did get ban, You know who was toxic? They were. This community is cancerous and lol writes that I am far below standards... Good to know, good people are below standards of a cancerous community.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > I wont act friendly towards ppl, If they deserve otherwise, just so I can stay honorable. You don't have to be rude either. It's enough if you just ignore them, and not say anything. That's what the majority does, and it works just fine.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=FcVwL4YI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-24T18:03:34.499+0000) > > You don't have to be rude either. It's enough if you just ignore them, and not say anything. That's what the majority does, and it works just fine. No, Its not. Ori called Jungle, so I thought I am going mid wih Kayn, cuz NOBODY called mid. She picks ori with exhaust last seconds and then the team flames me and my ALL CHAT is turned off and they probably said to the enemy that report me for trolling. While they actually int fed I got a nice 2 week report and a level 0 honor. Good thing this report system works againts toxic ppl and makes people better. oh It does not. Its more like I am much more salty towards the game and the community now. If I even start playing lol again, I'll probably rly become toxic now, cuz I feel anger towards the game and community and I feel like they deserve to be flamed. But ppl who deserve to be flamed should not be flamed and ppl who does not deserve to be banned should be banned. The ban could rly help, just like jail time, problem is, ppl wont improve their behaviour, If they dont think they are rightfully thrown into the jail and I dont fckin feel that I was banned, cuz I am a worse person then others in lol. Sorry to break it down, but I am probably more kind and humble then 80% of the ppl who play lol and ppl who "act" friendly should not be banned? Only the thoughts should matter, If someone would kill, but is not brave enough to do so, He still should be punished and ppl who does not write their flame in chat should still be punished. Acting friendly is just acting, fake ppl should be banned much more then honest ppl.
Rioter Comments
: > [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-18T06:06:59.606+0000) > > Very strange fact, when serrated blade, 8 lethality, writes that I penetrate 10 armor at level 18. Fckin idiot. 1. Serrated dirk should have 10 lethality. 2. To prove my point (hoping this works): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/215421146559021056/336632216694292480/image.jpg 18 lethality item, at level 18 penetrates 18 armour. 3. I just hopped into the training tool, bought a serrated dirk and it shows as 10 lethality and at level 18 it penetrates 10 armour. (You can check this for yourself as I don't know how to take a screenshot in league, a friend of mine did the above one)
> [{quoted}](name=Robindino14,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-07-18T09:28:02.974+0000) > > 1. Serrated dirk should have 10 lethality. > 2. To prove my point (hoping this works): > https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/215421146559021056/336632216694292480/image.jpg > 18 lethality item, at level 18 penetrates 18 armour. > 3. I just hopped into the training tool, bought a serrated dirk and it shows as 10 lethality and at level 18 it penetrates 10 armour. (You can check this for yourself as I don't know how to take a screenshot in league, a friend of mine did the above one) They prob fixed It. Serrated dirk was 8 lethality when the patch came out. Since then, They had a silent patch, which also nerfed Duskblade ( not rly an efficient nerf ).
: Because darkin gives you sustain innately you dont really need lifesteal. He also has % hp dmg so you deal enough damage as long as you stay alive. I dont know how shadow assassin is built though.
> [{quoted}](name=K3tsu w0 t4beru,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=LbA5MuAA,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-07-18T20:58:23.722+0000) > > Because darkin gives you sustain innately you dont really need lifesteal. He also has % hp dmg so you deal enough damage as long as you stay alive. I dont know how shadow assassin is built though. I did try Cinderhulk build, I did not like It, even tho I buy BC and Titanic, I did not feel that tankier, cuz of the Cinderhulk and the Warrior gives 60 ad, which is good for AAs and more then 5% Max hp dmg on Q, which, If both Qs hits is 10% max hp dmg, even with Max hp damage, You dont build lethality on red Kayn, so I dont think He has enough damage without warrior.
Samanboss (EUW)
: Im bronze V, help me literally im carrying every game. People have actually not lagg network but lagg in their head in bronze league. TIP: NEVER EVER COME IN BRONZE LEAGUE ITS HORIBBLE {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=Samanboss,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=6ElkxQ2g,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-07-18T20:45:36.659+0000) > > Im bronze V, help me literally im carrying every game. People have actually not lagg network but lagg in their head in bronze league. > > TIP: NEVER EVER COME IN BRONZE LEAGUE ITS HORIBBLE > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Not so horrible, cuz a plat player can go 30 win streak in Bronze.
ThePikol (EUNE)
: I can bet none of you build Tabis. I'm sure all went some nonsense like {{item:3006}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3158}} . Tabi + another armor item really makes a difference. For Mage Zhonya, for adc GA and so on. If you still lose buy one more. You really don't need 6 dmg items in that situation. What you need is survivability.
> [{quoted}](name=ThePikol,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=000c00000000,timestamp=2017-07-18T05:31:25.824+0000) > > I can bet none of you build Tabis. I'm sure all went some nonsense like {{item:3006}} {{item:3020}} {{item:3158}} . Tabi + another armor item really makes a difference. For Mage Zhonya, for adc GA and so on. If you still lose buy one more. You really don't need 6 dmg items in that situation. What you need is survivability. Tabi is 30 armor. What does that help If They penetrate 100 armor and guess what, I build tabis most of the time.
: > [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-17T21:40:17.949+0000) > > No. 18 Lethality is around 20-21 armor pen on level 18 and, We got 20+ lethality in runes too, also You got mastery lethality too. 100 armor is nearly mitigated by 3 lethality items. Uhm no. 1 lethality= 1 flat armour pen at level 18... That is a fact. Also guess what, buying armour does help. Zhonya's 45 armour, relatively cheap and able to be bought early game. They'd probably have 1 lethality item then, which would give them with the leveling thing about 15 lethality rounded up. so 15 flat armour pen meaning you have 30 more armour.
> [{quoted}](name=Robindino14,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-07-17T22:03:36.737+0000) > > Uhm no. > 1 lethality= 1 flat armour pen at level 18... > That is a fact. > Also guess what, buying armour does help. > Zhonya's 45 armour, relatively cheap and able to be bought early game. They'd probably have 1 lethality item then, which would give them with the leveling thing about 15 lethality rounded up. so 15 flat armour pen meaning you have 30 more armour. Very strange fact, when serrated blade, 8 lethality, writes that I penetrate 10 armor at level 18. Fckin idiot.
ThePikol (EUNE)
: Have you considered buying armor?
> [{quoted}](name=ThePikol,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-07-17T21:06:09.866+0000) > > Have you considered buying armor? That does not work. Its why lethality is op. Its not hard to stack lethality that scales off of you and not the enemy's levels and new drakthar is just ridicolously strong. If the jungler and Lets say supp or top lane is tank, lets say we got 2 tanks, a bruiser and 2 carries. The 2 carries probably wont build fckin thornmail and no, Zhonya is not enough, You will still have 0 armor after zhonya, thats the problem, Its wasted money. They penetrate through the armor You buy, buying armor does not counter lethality, cuz thats what lethality do, kills armor. The bruiser probably wont build 200 armor and with 100 armor, He is penetrated to like 20 armor, so He has no defense. The tanks need to go super heavy armor, like 200-300 armor and but this may make their build inefficient in every way, be it cost or other factors.
: > [{quoted}](name=HappyAxidencts,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-17T15:25:49.338+0000) > > Its time to stop! > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ5ZHCWxyUo > Fck, thats the wrong link > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ > > But rly, Lethality became super cancer, either lethality needs to be nerfed or the items that use lethality. You get Edge, Yoomu and Draktar, You fckin penetrate through 100 armor. Only 3 items and even tanks will die, imagine the other 3-4 champs who have 0 armor againts 2-3 items, while these items give huge ad and other rly good stuff. Your math is off. 18x3= 54 when the 'owner' of the items is lvl 18, quite a long way off from your supposed 100 armour pen.
> [{quoted}](name=Robindino14,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3midwEnX,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-07-17T20:33:20.134+0000) > > Your math is off. > 18x3= 54 when the 'owner' of the items is lvl 18, quite a long way off from your supposed 100 armour pen. No. 18 Lethality is around 20-21 armor pen on level 18 and, We got 20+ lethality in runes too, also You got mastery lethality too. 100 armor is nearly mitigated by 3 lethality items.
qkex (EUW)
: THIS NEEDS TO STOP (lethality is cancer, especially the duskblade)
Its time to stop! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ5ZHCWxyUo Fck, thats the wrong link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ But rly, Lethality became super cancer, either lethality needs to be nerfed or the items that use lethality. You get Edge, Yoomu and Draktar, You fckin penetrate through 100 armor. Only 3 items and even tanks will die, imagine the other 3-4 champs who have 0 armor againts 2-3 items, while these items give huge ad and other rly good stuff.
munraker (EUW)
: All kyan in my team feed, enemy team feed...I now always ban him i dont take the risk He is trash imo
> [{quoted}](name=munraker,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=AaLdaMt7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-07-17T12:35:29.482+0000) > > All kyan in my team feed, enemy team feed...I now always ban him i dont take the risk > > He is trash imo He is definitely not trash ( atleast in Red form ), Id call him subpar at worst. People feed with him, because He is new and They did not figure him out yet. But I do think He needs tweaks, Thats why I wrote this topic. EDIT: Also feeding could be, because of many factors. Match ups, enemy players are just better, things just dont go in your way in that match, now add in the fact that people are not experienced with Kayn and the match ups, the situations You can have with him and You got this feed fiesta.
: I don't think the ult is meant to deal damage... trying to get a utility ult to deal damage will always make it disappointing. The ult for assassin form is twofold... firstly it resets your passive so you use it after the passive expires and then use a full combo again which will result in much higher damage. Secondly it's untargetability. So you can use it to just dodge spells or wait for cooldowns like how some ap assassins use hourglass. I don't think it needs to deal damage because all its meant to do is keep you safe and enable damage, not deal damage itself. > Blue form is very weak if not snowballing resulting in the champion being inconsistent as he has no hard cc and only mediocre damage and mobility. Blue form passive/ultimate is also very underwhelming since the passive is negated by both armor and mr along with his ultimate dealing very little damage even to squishy targets. I get the feeling we don't understand assassin form enough... it's a lot harder than darkin form and has a lot more room for error which gets you killed. That means it has a much higher skill floor that potentially we haven't gotten over yet, combined with us being unsure on the build and the majority just going for darkin instead means that assassin was always gonna the weaker form until we start to understand him better... like with bard and ivern, considered weak yet they weren't because they where difficult... So I'd give assassin kayn a few more weeks to see if anyone can find some hidden potential to unlock..
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EfIrob0o,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-07-17T11:40:31.033+0000) > > I don't think the ult is meant to deal damage... trying to get a utility ult to deal damage will always make it disappointing. > > The ult for assassin form is twofold... firstly it resets your passive so you use it after the passive expires and then use a full combo again which will result in much higher damage. Secondly it's untargetability. So you can use it to just dodge spells or wait for cooldowns like how some ap assassins use hourglass. > I don't think it needs to deal damage because all its meant to do is keep you safe and enable damage, not deal damage itself. > > I get the feeling we don't understand assassin form enough... it's a lot harder than darkin form and has a lot more room for error which gets you killed. That means it has a much higher skill floor that potentially we haven't gotten over yet, combined with us being unsure on the build and the majority just going for darkin instead means that assassin was always gonna the weaker form until we start to understand him better... like with bard and ivern, considered weak yet they weren't because they where difficult... > > So I'd give assassin kayn a few more weeks to see if anyone can find some hidden potential to unlock.. Problem isnt that assasin form has higher skill ceiling, cuz He is harder, but He is harder, cuz He just falls behind. He is overall worse, less damage, less sustain etc... Even, If You could play him good, why would you play him good, If you can play red Kayn good too. Red Kayn has just better stats, thats all there is to It. Also Assasin form is assasin form, His ult should deal damage and It should be used for damage, cuz rn blue form is a "sustain assasin" which I dont rly think makes sense and should not exist. The reset on passive is rly nice, the passive itself could be nice, if it wouldnt be reduced twice, but fck, He is assasin, He cant waste 10 seconds to kill 1 target. Full combo R wait Full combo? Most assasin 1 combo enemies, and Blue form passive and ult untergetability here and there, It should deal more dmg. He is not bursty enough as an assasin and Red Kayn actually has better sutaint damage. Thats the problem.
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BobbyB103 (EUW)
: Kayn's strength atm
I think Kayn is pretty balanced for a recent champion, but He does need some tweaks. His Red forms seems to be much stronger. I think I already got the feel of him and I can say That He isnt op and does not need nerfs, but nor He is weak. I feel like His early game is bad and, If He gets behind He perfoms worse then other champions when behind, but, If He does not get behind, He can get ridicolously strong, but Lets go over his abilities. **Q Reaping Slash:** His Q deals damage twice, is an AoE and late game has a low CD of 3 seconds, but Is not that strong. It deals little damage in blue form, and the dash isnt big. He should usually not use It to close distance and Its usually not a good escape ability, You can sometimes jump over a little wall and get some lead, but Its mostly used for damage dealing. It can deal a lot of damage in Red form mid/late game and even with Blue, but Thats cuz It is spammable. Early/mid game, His Q has longer cooldowns and, so the skill doesnt become rly good until rank 4-5 with 30-40 cdr. **W Blade's reach:** His W is a skill that most people call OP. They call It a better Sion Q, but I think his W is pretty balanced, but could use some tweaks. His Blue form's W feels very smooth and good to play with, but just falls behind the Knock the Red form gives. The Red form Kayn's knock is pretty good, but Is not a Sion Q, while It does not need to be charged, It does have a cast time and has a realively low range. Its not wide and is not long. In rank 1-2 early game, It does have a little bit long CD and low damage, while later It becomes pretty spammable with high damage. What I would say Is blue form's W is pretty good, should not be buffed, but still falls behind. I think, If how skills work can be changed around in Kayn's kit, then so should be cooldowns. _**My suggestion for nerf:**_ Red form W should have 2-4 seconds longer cooldown. (This would not just make Red Form's W a little bit less strong, but would make sure that blue form's W is a good choice too ) **E Shadow Step:** His E is an ability that most people overrate. It looks broken af, It looked broken af, running over multiple walls? WTF? But isnt rly that good. If the enemy has vision on the walls, They can see you are in there and They see an indicator that kinda shows where You are. Also, If you try to escape, They can hit you and you lose the buff and cant go into the wall or get knocked out from It. I found It ridicolous that people can attack me, while I am in the wall, If they have vision. Its a fckin wall, i should be untargetable there. ( that is the piece that would make the ability rly op ). Its not the worst ganking tool, but nor is the best. I think Its pretty balanced, but there are some changes I think would make it better. **_My Tweaks:_** The standard heal should be taken away and given to red form with a little bit better heal stats, while blue form should get a new buff on E, which makes so that in the first 2 seconds of activating, His E can not be interrupted by enemy attacks. **R Umbral Trespass:** _I could see most changes in this skill._ His Red form ult is said to be op by many ppl, but lets go over It. 30% Max hp damage ( which is not the starting, He starts around 12-16% max hp dmg ) is 600 on a 2k hp ADC, pre mitigation, most mitigation It could be around 400. Max hp % DMG, so why not use on Tanks? Use 40% Max hp dmg on a 4k hp tank, Thats 1600 dmg pre mitigation, but becaoues of the armor, It can be reduced as low as 600 dmg, which is pretty bearable for a tank, considering this is a tank killing ult and not just an ADC aa late game. Red form's heal is pretty op, Rhaast already gives Spell vamp and They usually build Death's dance, but the R has Its own heal too. Blue form ult refreshes his passive, which gets reduced twice by the enemy resistances, so It usually falls behind Red Kayn's heal. His ult does have Base damage, but not so much. His is supposedly the assasin form of Kayn, but I can not rly see It, If you are not ahead. You can be killed pretty easly, You doesnt rly have big mobility, considering both his E and Q, He is just not that mobile in a fight and Blue Kayn can not use the Knock up mid fights to gain some advantage on a kiting ADC, while He can move towards the enemy while W is casted, Its slow is much easier to counter then a knock up, which slows after you fall down. Oh, I wandered away from the R topic. _**So my tweaks for R would be:**_ **Red form:** Give It a base damage of Let's say 100-200-300 (20-40-60 Max AD scaling), Tone down the Max hp scaling from AD a bit and Take away the heal It gives. Taking away the heal would be rly healty change. He already has rly much heal and his R's heal is enemy Max hp. This would not just make his R deal more dmg on squishies but sometimes even on tanks, while He would not heal as much, which is good, cuz It can be seen as pretty broken and on the other hand, It can make him more shit to play againts griveous wounds. If the enemy buys griveous wounds, the more heal your champ has, the more heal that gets mitigated, which is a problem with Kayn, cuz Red Kayn's power is in his spell vamp, so His heal power should be transferred over to other things, becaouse, If everything on him is just heal heal, then He is much easier to be hard countered. He should not be wholly just be about the heals. **Blue form:** His ult should have a little bit more base damage, then Red Kayns and I think either should get better scaling or current hp damage next to the base dmg. Instead of 110, 160% bonus ad would look better or make him get Current % hp Damage. Why current and not missin? His Ult resets his passive and does not deal rly much dmg by Itself atm. Its usually used mid fight, to mitigate damage, waith for cooldowns, follow/stick to an enemy and to reset the passive as an assasin It could be made to be an assasinate ult and ppl already use it that way, but I think his ult should be Current hp dmg. It is mostly used in mid fights as I said. Its going to be weaker then Max hp dmg, but when the enemy has little more then half hp, Its better then missing hp damage, considering his passive and other factors, his ult could not rly be cheesed by using on full hp targets. You could say, If It has current hp and not missing hp It could be bad againts enemies that have lower amount of hp, but Thats where the base damage is needed. Againts low hp squishies, the Ult would still perform good with curring hp instead of missing hp damage. This is just my two cents, but I think These changes would not make him op, on the other hand would make him a much more balanced an healthy champion.

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