: exactly! like oh yeah that garen with 6 pair of boots that is 0/20/0 had a bad game. Like yesterday i had 5 games in a row where 1 player with his attitude cost me the game, how am i suppose to keep it "cool". One of the major problems with toxic players is the troll ones, i play this game since 2011 and i rarely see any toxicity that isnt towards to a troll player. 1/10 times is someone who just flames when someone dies 1 time, but even that if u check their profile they lost a game due to a troll and are tilted. Riot just wants the money, and now created the TFT to change the attention to a serious problem, like i love this game, but fk me, this game is just ruined and unplayable
No mate, I've been on the receiving end, and been a witness to, people flaming the weakest link of their team every match. I play jungle in ranked so I'm usually on the receiving end of the hurt, tho usually it's laners blaming other laners for dying and/or losing lane. League is a zero sum game, and people don't understand this: in order for you to win lane, the enemy has to lose lane. In order for you to get a kill, the enemy has to die. No matter what happens in a match, SOMEONE is gonna have a negative KDA and probably get flamed. The only time you don't see it is when your entire team is winning. And you can't just expect your team to all be winning and/or ahead every single time.
: I realized that putting losing lanes on low priority is best . Find that 1 lane that is decent and help them snowball, then help the 2nd best lane . As for the 3rd lane , god help him . I'm not ganking . If all 3 lanes suck , I pray to Jesus Christ some kind of miracle happens.
I've been doing something a little similar lately and it's working. I'll still usually try to show my face in the really badly losing lane, but if they're doing nothing but flaming me, especially if my gank doesn't result in a double kill for the adc and "just some summoners" I'll just ignore them. Unless ofc I think there's a pivotal fight down there
: Foxdrop made a video a while back on transcendence + armor on malphite
Nice nice, I'll take a look. I'm guessing he also noticed what I noticed! Considering Malphite scales from armour and AP I can imagine that being pretty OP haha. I still haven't tried the Ardent build yet but it's on the to-do list
: If u wanna try something more ”trolly”, font of life nunu with ardent. U slow someone down and ur adc gets ardent. Then just go full tank
Holy crap nice thanks! I've been having a lot of fun with different builds. Lately I've found the true value of transcendence on Nunu too: there are very few AP + armour items (zhonya's only), but there are a LOT of armour + CDR. So just stack CDR and use the overflow to gain more AP *and* a tonne of armour. I can be 3-4k hp with 300 armour and 250 AP lol
: It all depends with who you are playing with. You get potato team? Then dmg should be better because you have chance to carry it. You get a decent team? Then aftershock doesn't sound bad because your team can follow up on your plays. Look what works for you more often and go with it but still adapt when you have to.
> [{quoted}](name=GrìmoreWeiss,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hEVtLYRN,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-20T20:13:15.834+0000) > > It all depends with who you are playing with. You get potato team? Then dmg should be better because you have chance to carry it. You get a decent team? Then aftershock doesn't sound bad because your team can follow up on your plays. Look what works for you more often and go with it but still adapt when you have to. Thanks! Actually I just came from a game where I wished I took aftershock since we didn't have a real tank. I built tankier and it really help tho. On the other hand, I noticed if my team members are behind I have to be the one to do dmg, because tanking for a team that doesn't have the damage to back me up just makes me useless.
Fast Enough (EUNE)
: How is this player not punished?
I haven't had those instant feedback reports for about a week now. I was getting them consistently every day or so but now nothing. I haven't been reporting more or less than usual, they just stopped coming and I don't know why. I've heard that reports have diminishing returns i.e. if you report a lot, your reports eventually lose their value, but if it's not like the flamers are flaming any less?
: Ya, just try to gank often with {{champion:20}} and tilt opponents; they will start feeding and it is easy to _snowball_ the game.
Dw bud, that's the exact reason I play Nunu. And I can plan my ganks from across the map, shit's literally insane. Also can clear jg in 3 seconds w/ AP build XD
: I tend to prefer predator on nunu, much stronger ganks imo. And aftershock is a later game rune, rather than early game where you will loose the duration during the cc it’s for when you snowball into the enemy team to survive the retaliation of anyone who isn’t cc’d.
Thanks! That actually makes a lot of sense. I might try predator too because the only two runes I *need* from sorcery (besides the keystone) are the AP shield (for ulting) and the CDR - which are both available as secondaries. Rn I'm using Resolve secondary tho for the turret damage. I find that I can very quickly turn a successful gank into waveclear, shove and plating with my current setup - but yeah, will experiment for sure. I can't imagine what crazy speeds I'd reach with predator because I've peaked at 913 movement before w/ the Momentum and Echo passives lol
Rioter Comments
: **Why?** Writing "rep jg no gank" is easier than playing jungle and babysitting such players.
True... I've started playing Nunu so when they cry "omg no gank" I can literally run to their lane from anywhere on the map, usually picking up enemy midlaner with snowball along the way. And yeah, it doesn't matter how hard I babysit, the feeders will always feed. Babysitting is more or less only damage control at this point, but I'm finding in my bronze games I *HAVE* to babysit just to mitigate their feed. I feel like with normal, not dumb players I could just focus winning lanes/farm for myself instead but nope.
: Pantheon Is bad and he will be difficult to balance with his current state
He just needs a couple of dmg buffs not the crazy buffs you proposed man. He's just one of those champs that like you said, has a strong early game and drops of later, so the tactic is to snowball and help other lanes. You can take teleport and his R provides you with influence across the map. THAT is his niche. He doesn't also need to be an OP tanky tank-buster. Just play him to his strengths and like all champs, he will do well, it's when people try to sheohorn things into an inviable niche they don't work.
: "better jungler win" - that guy who die at the first gank under the enemy tower and with no vision "better jungler win" - that guy who die for the third time in the enemy jungle "better jungler win" - that guy who die at lvl 1 while you still do the first buff (your first fking camp in the game) "better jungler win" - that guy who went 1v2 and die while you are next to him with 10% hp "better jungler win" - that guy who ask for you help and engage before you even arrive somewhere closer to his lane "better jungler win" - that guy who ask your help but you go to help other lanes because he play a champion who counter his enemy "better jungler win" - that stupid kid who is 4/11 and don't accept that he is getting carried
You forgot the big brain top laner who refuses to ward and keeps crying about getting ganked by the enemy jungle and or mid... "where tf where you jgl???" he says while he aggro shoves at 15% hp with no wards while you're botside
Rioter Comments
: Is hard unfortunately i can understand why they are mad at you but mad is diferent of flame, i watched some of your games (last 3 on ranked), you are clearly a new player (for the way you play), and the system (matchmaking) placed you with silvers, and sry for say this but you are clearly inexperienced to play vs silvers, I'm not defending no one neither making escuse to be clear, flame people is a bad attitude and they should be punished for that, but you can't stop they get mad at you, is not your fault that matchmaking place you vs silvers, but you must understand for they way you play you aren't prepared to play vs silvers, so they kinda get mad and flame cause a lot of they are on promos. In conclusion: Yes they should be punished and not flame, but you cant expect people not get mad at you. If you need some help fell free to add me we can play some normals. I'm just silver but i can try help you in the way i can. (I know people will downvote me telling that i'm defending flamer but i'm not)
First, I'd just like to say, thanks for taking the time to actually look at my games. I think that was pretty cool of you tbh. ---- I jumped into ranked and man, that is like a whole new game. Did you see the matchup of the very first placement match I got? I was carried by the others (who were high silver/gold) and we won (yay), then I got obliterated in the second match. In, the following game, the system adjusted me to a much lower (but more accurate) MMR but I've still been playing with low-ish silvers who I feel are also out of my league. When I checked op.gg I also found it strange because I'm just "level 33" playing with Silvers (and at first golds), and with another random level 20-30. I feel really bad for those guys because I could tell they were all much better than me tbh. It's also been pretty eye-opening just how bad I am. In some of my unranked games I could do decently (tho it was often a mixed bag and usually I wasn't entirely sure what I was doing differently between the good and the bad games, and I think that's where a lot of frustration comes from). Anyway, considering how different ranked games are, do you think this might be the best way to learn? After seeing how people play in ranked, I don't think normals are actually preparing me for ranked in any way except practising mechanics, learning new champs and learning new match ups since people play much differently. I realise I could be placed in a low-elo, but if I belong in that elo I think that's probably for the best. If I'm a terrible player (which I am), I don't want to ruin a good player's game, and I don't think getting carried teaches me anything either. I'm also considering learning a different champ or taking a different build, not because I think this champ is bad, but I'm bad at playing it. A couple of days ago I played a few games as Nunu and I felt like I had more impact than I do on WW.
: Hey there ! I'll assume you're a relatively new player from you level (or a returning one). First of all, welcome (or welcome back) to league ! Hope you're enjoying your time on the rift ! Secondly, it's very known that the league community is pretty toxic. It's pretty normal for human beings to try to find external factors to blame when things go bad. It's in our nature so it shouldn't surprise you. This translates easily to online games, whenever something bad happens, your brain is gonna try looking for your teammate's mistakes rather than your own to not feel guilty and keep your sense of confidence. There is also the fact that you're playing with completely random people, so why should you care about their feelings ? (Our mind reason better if we're with friends since we don't want to hurt them). In league, that translates generally in adc's flaming supports, and all lanes flaming the junglers. So if you play one of those roles, you should expect it and be ready to face it. If you don't think you can stand it, those 2 roles might not be good for you. Your MMR is low so you're playing with other players that have no idea about how to play the game. You don't need to listen to them and as a jungler, you know better than them what's the better decision that's gonna help the team win. So do you things and don't go gank just because somebody is asking you a lot if you think that's a bad move. I would also recommend you to always mute flamers. It was obvious after a few sentences that those guys weren't gonna say anything helpful anymore and will just keep flaming you all game, so it's definitely better to mute their chat (not just pings) so you can play at ease and focus on your game. Always mute at any sign of toxicity. There is no need to let yourself see things that will ruin your enjoyment of the game and tilt you. Also, make sure to never answer them. If you keep arguing with them/defending yourself, you'll end up punished sooner or later. If you need advice, add me ingame {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
> [{quoted}](name=Doom emissary,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IiuFUMpM,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-17T01:18:24.814+0000) > > Hey there ! > > I'll assume you're a relatively new player from you level (or a returning one). > First of all, welcome (or welcome back) to league ! Hope you're enjoying your time on the rift ! > > Secondly, it's very known that the league community is pretty toxic. > It's pretty normal for human beings to try to find external factors to blame when things go bad. It's in our nature so it shouldn't surprise you. > This translates easily to online games, whenever something bad happens, your brain is gonna try looking for your teammate's mistakes rather than your own to not feel guilty and keep your sense of confidence. > There is also the fact that you're playing with completely random people, so why should you care about their feelings ? (Our mind reason better if we're with friends since we don't want to hurt them). > > In league, that translates generally in adc's flaming supports, and all lanes flaming the junglers. So if you play one of those roles, you should expect it and be ready to face it. If you don't think you can stand it, those 2 roles might not be good for you. > > Your MMR is low so you're playing with other players that have no idea about how to play the game. You don't need to listen to them and as a jungler, you know better than them what's the better decision that's gonna help the team win. So do you things and don't go gank just because somebody is asking you a lot if you think that's a bad move. > > I would also recommend you to always mute flamers. It was obvious after a few sentences that those guys weren't gonna say anything helpful anymore and will just keep flaming you all game, so it's definitely better to mute their chat (not just pings) so you can play at ease and focus on your game. Always mute at any sign of toxicity. There is no need to let yourself see things that will ruin your enjoyment of the game and tilt you. > Also, make sure to never answer them. If you keep arguing with them/defending yourself, you'll end up punished sooner or later. > > If you need advice, add me ingame {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} Thanks dude, I'll just mute more often and try to tough it out
: One of the main reasons I stopped playing jungle. You always get flamed, you always get singled out as the reason your team lost, you hardly get any help if you get counterjungled. And the other reason is Rito f **king up jungle.
Yes! Seriously the no help thing is getting to me. The same teammates that flame me for not ganking will never even step foot in the jgl for a free kill if I encounter the enemy there. Meanwhile, any enemy premade mid is always going in to save the 0/4 rammus I've been bullying while my mid just sits in lane missing cs on creeps.
Rioter Comments
Xplosion101 (EUNE)
: Why do I keep getting players who feed a lot in my ranked teams? How can I carry better? [No names]
Hey if you play top and have problems with botlane feeding, I know you can't control other players but maybe taking teleport could help you intervene directly? If you manage to get a double down there, or give some kills to bot, it could help you turn the tide.
FuuN (EUNE)
: This game is bad
Good luck bro, at least it's comforting to me at least to know that people at high elos are having similar problems to those of us in elo hell :S
: > I find that Rengar is pretty strong and I think Rengar players have good pathing since I find him difficult to track, so playing passive is my only option. If I go ham it results in me inting, and I can never 1v1 him (he destroys me and can walk my jungle). I find Rengar sometimes hides in the bush by my buff waiting for me too, ugh (cheesed me a couple times like that). On a matchup where I played completely passive I was still horribly behind because I could barely farm and couldn't gank (due to lanes being behind, and me not knowing his location and worrying about counter gank). It can be a good idea to learn the usual paths that rengar takes, try checking out high elo rengar players on stream or YouTube or looking up a guide, good chance you can figure things out from there. A good ward in particular camps can also help you figure it out. Playing around your lanes is also a good idea, rengar is a good duelest as you’ve found out but his pre 6 ganks are pretty weak and he relies on snowballing which often comes from ganks, ganking and counter ganking can allow you to shut him down. As for the cheeses firstly it should be the same few bushes so wards can help. And a trick specific to warwick is that his W will target the closest champion regardless of vision (could need testing but 95% sure it still works) so if your worried about rengar being in a bush activate your W while your nearby and if he’s in that bush then the blood trail will lead into the bush. > Trynda just scales horribly. Has great attack speed, movement speed and regen. Can't 1v1 and I find him difficult to deal with during team fights. Again I play passive and can do ok, but I'm not sure where to focus my efforts so he doesn't end up snowballing. There are points where a warwick can beat a trynd (speaking as someone who has played that match up top lane)... but trynd is a really bad ganker so counter ganks can be pretty easy to pull off, and ganking yourself can get your team far enough ahead that they can deal with trynd... late game you will be more useful if he hasn’t snowballed. > Yasuo... well we all know what happens with Yasuo mains. They get kills and snowball out of control. I find him almost impossible to gank due to his escape tools and potential to 1v2 me and the other laner. Later on they also always build GA so they can resurrect IF by some chance we manage to kill them once. He usually just ends up dashing around me and I can't hit nor escape him. Tips please :) Rn I feel like after he gets to a certain point he's out of control. I can only handle him by using R and letting my team focus him, but then they blow ult, he resses and just runs riiiight back (if he doesn't already have GA). Gank the living hell out of him. Fun thing about yasuo, he can’t do jack against a warwick gank... his dashes are not free targeted meaning he needs a target behind him to use it as an escape, something that he won’t have in a gank... so good chance he’s actually rendered immobile, and dashing forward to dodge stuff isn’t that helpful against a warwick (only ult can be dodged and Q follows dashes). And windwall is useless vs you so can only be good vs your laner. As for how to gank him activate predator and/or ghost, run in, prime E, hold Q to follow his dash and get behind him, reactivate E for a fear, then as the fear is about to end use R... you shouldn’t miss the R if you combo it right, he shouldn’t be able to get far enough away from you to get stop this, and in total that’s 2.5 seconds of unavoidable cc which so long as your laner isn’t sleeping should be a near guarenteed kill especially if they can follow up your cc chain with their own. Only worry you have is the Q knock up, if he lands that on both of you then he can 1v2, but without a good ult or a solid lead he won’t be able to. ___ And I won’t comment on renekton jungle cause I’ve only ever seen it once in my 6 years playing this game and that was me playing it (and I ended up going top to cover an afk so even I don’t know how it plays).
Tyvm for your long and detailed reply! I've taken these tips on board and actually I've found that the trick you metioned with "w" works like a charm! I haven't had another matchup with Rengar yet but you're right about Yasuo, he's really squishy if I can deny him his combo.
SinsanitY (EUW)
: Ranked is a mess, not worth the time, and the current "match maker"... I feel like i'm in a Casino
Personally I think incorporating honour rating into the match making system would make a world of difference. At least in theory, higher honour players are more well behaved and sportsmanlike, those who constantly get banned and/or muted should be left to play with each other
HotDogg 24 (EUNE)
: NERF EZREAL
Personally, I just think he needs a slight nerf or tweak in scaling. As a jungler I find that he's one of the less difficult champs to gank (especially if he has a weak support). I can understand that people dislike laning vs him but he's not without his weaknesses. His scaling is a bit of a joke tho.
SANEakaIN (EUW)
: Thats the thing nobody expects special TT treatment, they are just worried the mode will be removed, same with ARAM... you dont balance for those, let the players enjoy it.
> [{quoted}](name=SANEakaIN,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=kj4kwdaY,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-08-09T22:00:21.398+0000) > > Thats the thing nobody expects special TT treatment, they are just worried the mode will be removed, same with ARAM... you dont balance for those, let the players enjoy it. So much this^ nobody wants it to be balanced nor fixed. They just want somewhere to play a %%%%ing clown fiesta that they can't get away with in 5v5 summoner's rift lol
Jasuo (EUW)
: Twisted Treeline has to stay
I don't play 3v3 but I don't see why others shouldn't? I'm not sure what harm it's doing anyway. No it's not balanced, but neither is ARAM or flex? The game is balanced around 5v5 ranked summoner's rift only. Just because it's not balanced around 3v3 doesn't mean people can't enjoy 3v3. Imo it's a breath of fresh air for those off meta Champs, and probs a good place to un-tilt lol
: LP gain is a complete mystery to me, with a 60-65% winrate I am still getting 17lp for winning and lose 18lp for losing...I do not understand it at all if my winrate is this high shouldn't that mean that I can play at a rank higher than I am at rn? and that it should be easier for me to get out of this one? I am climbing but sure as hell isn't like riot is doing anything to help me, more like the opposite
> [{quoted}](name=KillerCryptid,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Nn0EmA7X,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-08-12T16:05:19.052+0000) > > LP gain is a complete mystery to me, with a 60-65% winrate I am still getting 17lp for winning and lose 18lp for losing...I do not understand it at all > if my winrate is this high shouldn't that mean that I can play at a rank higher than I am at rn? and that it should be easier for me to get out of this one? I am climbing but sure as hell isn't like riot is doing anything to help me, more like the opposite I think if your winrate is higher then LP gains go down to compensate it? If you're getting more LP for a win than a loss, AND your winrate is higher, you'd just snowball up the ranks wouldn't you?
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: Idk what you mean by they_ should play as sups_, but with {{item:3303}}, they can't take cs. It is problem with ADC players that they think that some misclick or auto attack taking a minion is stealing cs. With full combo {{champion:99}} /{{champion:63}} can 100-0 HP a squishy target on their own. Many ADC players blindly consider that any kill in lane is theirs; I myself have seen lot of ADC players literally doing 0 damage, while I am going 1v2-unleashing full combo with {{champion:143}}, towards last, the adc tries to take the kill with flash auto/ability. When they ks me, I don't bother about it because they're bad at farming, so extra gold on them is good; but when they fail to ks me, doing 5-10% of damage and me doing 90-95% of damage they write like I am stealing their kill . This stupid behavior of ADC players should change.
The problem is that a lot of autofilled supports don't even build a sup item. They'll just build doran's ring or something and try to contest for cs and kills. The problem with that is it lowers the available gold pool in botlane and will either a) starve the ADC if the sup is more skilled or b) starve the sup. Or c) they'll be so busy fighting over stuff they'll likely get nothing. A lot of autofilled sups will take on this tactic, and it'll always hurt the adc. Quite often it just takes the ADC out of the game and it's completely miserable for them. It's fine if the sup realises 5-10 min in "ok, this adc is really bad, can't farm, keeps feeding, yeah maybe I should take matters into my own hands" but when the sup goes into the game with the mindset of "ok I'll just cuck the adc, take all the cs and 2v1 the lane", I find it kinda toxic. It's meant to be a team game, you're not meant to gimp your own team to get ahead just cos you were autofilled a position you dislike, surely? I'm not complaining about "sups" getting kills or cs where appropriate btw. Just the ones who are clearly trolling their own lane buddy/team.
JustClone (EUNE)
: Got penta last night with pyke :) (support main here)
JustClone (EUNE)
: First of all, if you think that one tutorial will teach people how to play support... you are clueless how to play it support yourself. And you should not be complaining about unskilled people, because you fit that description as well. Second, I prefer to lose 5 minutes in pre-game, than waste 20-30 minutes in-game, because I got incompetent teammate. I strongly support dodging "unwinnable" games. And last, you can always go play Blind pick, till you get decent skill level, where people around you will know the basics of support. At this point you can return to playing draft.
So your response is basically "L2P noob". Nice. Nobody mentioned unskilled players or unwinnable games except you, and never did I claim that 1 tutorial will teach *everything* about sup. It's not like it does that for other roles. The only thing I asked for was a tutorial covering the basics so players don't keep dodging when they get autofilled as sup. Is that too much to ask? We're supposed to learn to play the other four in-game positions, what's wrong with sup exactly? Not sure why I'm meant to go blind pick? lol. In blind pick you encounter more trolls and more off-meta stuff... not sure how that's helpful? Take your negativity elsewhere, tyvm.
: Players don't play support role because 1. It is not rewarding like other roles and has to be team dependent more, 2. Babysitting ADC players is hard, especially in low levels and low elos, 3. Players actually think that playing support is bad, 4. It actually needs good macro, 5. Can't pick flashy champs or get penta kills. Support role has changed a lot and picking Lux or Brand support isn't considered troll anymore, but idk why players who are ready to play them mid doesn't want to play them supp.
I can understand why nobody would want to main support, just as how people don't main any other role as opposed to maining their preferred role. To tell people otherwise would be ridiculous. My point is that every player should: 1) expect to at some point be autofilled support, it's the nature of the queue system 2) when you're autofilled support, actually play out the role you were assigned (unless you negotiate a switch) Don't really wanna get into the debate about Lux/Brand sups right now, but imo people who play those champs in the support role should play as sups, and not try to contest cs, ks, etc
Shamose (EUW)
: > 50%+ of my games are being dodged in matchmaking because nobody wants to play support So how high are the chances of smurfs going supporting if the tutorial included it.
What do you mean and why are you focusing exclusively on smurfs? Part of the problem is people either don't know how to support, claim not to know how, or think it's acceptable to literally never support. They'll happily fill any of the other four roles but for some reason LoL players have normalised this idea of sup being bad and that there's no need to learn it, essentially ignoring 1/5 of the game. This is supposed to be a team game, everyone needs to fulfil their role in order for the group to succeed. Players should realise it's their responsibility to be team players and do what's needed for the good of the group. You wouldn't defend people who trolled or dodged excessively because they had some sort of vendetta against mid/bot/top/jungle now would you? So why is this sort of behaviour acceptable when it comes to support? And to address your point about smurfs: frankly I couldn't care less about smurfs. They should be good sportsmen, follow the summoner's code and so on just like everybody else.
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