: Thank you! Yep it looks like it would be "a connection between me and Riot" thingy. Probably the high net usage of summer and my location x3 population does not help. And nop, the punishing system does not work at all, you can find toxic behaviour in every ranked game. But that's not the relevant issue in this post. I was worried about a x8 report dc was enough to get me a ban with no previous warning. Like I got a ban to say ONE key word not even meant in the bad way it was reported. Thanks a lot again for the fast reply.
> And nop, the punishing system does not work at all, you can find toxic behaviour in every ranked game. That doesn't mean it's broken. I mean....is cancer treatment broken, just because people still die because of cancer? Just because something isn't able to solve a problem entirely this doesn't mean it's broken. Riots systems stop a lot of toxicity from happening and they punishd a lot of toxic players. It would be way worse without those system. Yes, Riots systems are definitely not perfect and there is still way too much toxicity out there, but this still doesn't mean the entire system it broken. > I was worried about a x8 report dc was enough to get me a ban with no previous warning. Like I got a ban to say ONE key word not even meant in the bad way it was reported. The system doesn't work that way, it's not based on the report number. If you are guilty (for example telling someone to kill himself), one report is all that is needed. Every single report triggers an investigation of your behavior. Whether it's one report, two reports or nine does not matter all. Every report after the first one is entirely irrelevant and has no function whatsoever. The same goes the other way round: If you are innocent, you can get a million reports and absolutely nothing will happen. All reports do is triggering an investigation of your behavior and if you didn't break any rules, the investigation won't find anything, no matter how often you are being reported. Long story short: If you are toxic, just one report is enough to punish you, if the system is good enough to detect it. If you are not toxic, you will never ever be punished in your life, regardless of reports. I know I went a bit off topic here, but I feel like many non-toxic players are unnecessarily afraid of Riots systems, which can easily be corrected by learning how the system actually works.
: Will you get blamed if it's Riot bad?
There are more options than "It's me" and "It's Riot". There is all that distance between you and Riot where a myriad of problems can occur. Just because other websites are working for you this does not at all mean there is any problem with Riot. The problem can be ANYWHERE between your home and Riots servers. Usually there is a very easy method to determine if something is wrong with Riots servers: Go to the forum. If there are actual problems, the forum will be FULL of it. Like, not just one or two threads, but dozens, with new ones being created every minute. If that isn't the case, it's usually not a problem on Riots side. > Provably it will not matter, I never go afk/dc, but knowing this BROKEN punishing system that leaves toxicity spread and punish random key word...who knows The punishment system is not "broken", it just doesn't work like some toxic players would want it to work (for example by not punishing them if they "only flamed back"). And even if you are worried about the "key word" punishing system, this is not relevant for connection problems. Those two punishing systems are entirely separate and if you don't have connection problems frequently (in which case you should fix them before you play another match) or leave intentionally, you will never exceed the threshold that is necessary to get punished by the Leaverbuster.
: Is it just bad luck or intentional?
> How fair is it to get these kind of players especially in ranked promos Might not feel like it, but: It's very fair. Why? Because this happens to everyone. You have the same problem/disadvantage everyone else is having. That's not particularly enjoyable, but it's fair. The best thing you can do it to try to stay calm and just move on. Other players are beyond your control, so there isn't really any use in thinking about it too much. Use your energy to focus on things that are within your control and you will be better off in pretty much every aspect.
: i know it not forbidden but i'm sure that "INTENTIONALLY fcking up matchmaking" ain't what riot wants either. u can smurf to learn a new role or when its a new account but intentionally duo smurfing is like trading/ giving free elo and thats what nightblue got banned for last month. i mainly main the premade smurfing here and about that 9+ year old crap, i'm older then u
> i know it not forbidden but i'm sure that "INTENTIONALLY fcking up matchmaking" ain't what riot wants either. If you find a post where a player announces to do that with explicitly that intention, feel free to report that post.
: a call to the emissaries, i got a request for u guys
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=n2BfsBFl,comment-id=000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2019-07-21T07:50:05.441+0000) > > Given that we are talking about a 150 pages legal document here, I obviously can not. I was trained how not to violate GDPR in my job, however, that doesn't make me a lawyer who could help you with your request. > convenient that.... > I'm not implying that you did, I'm implying that you, me and everyone else could. Everyone could get your account permabanned at any time, without you violating any rule. Would you be okay with that? I doubt it. But that would be the consequence of screenshots as acceptable evidence. > even in a court of law you are innocent until proven guilty, though it seems to me you are implying that you are guilty until proven innocent (there is the possibility you COULD do something so lets automatically assume you WILL do it) tell me why dont we chat ban everyone, i mean there is the POSSIBILITY they could flame, so lets nip it in the bud before it happens... > There is a difference between "opt in" and "opt out". You are ALWAYS put in the chat, with the option to opt out. But you are NEVER in a private chat, unless you opt in, i.e. you decide to do so. > regardless of the somantics of opt in vs opt out, the Rioters response to my ticket was that because it was a private chat, i had the option to leave, and i am saying IRREGARDLESS of whether you are put into the chat automatically you HAVE THE OPTION to leave (by muting or moving chat box off screen) punishing flamers in one chat 'system' but completely ignoring it in another is completely contradicotory > Would you prefer it that whenever Riot is talking about what they do they add a few pages of legal disclaimers to be 100% technically correct? > no, but i WOULD prefer them not to say something that is outright untrue (that telling someone to kill themselves is zero tolerance when it ISNT
> convenient that.... Are you seriously blaming me for not being a lawyer? > even in a court of law you are innocent until proven guilty, though it seems to me you are implying that you are guilty until proven innocent (there is the possibility you COULD do something so lets automatically assume you WILL do it) tell me why dont we chat ban everyone, i mean there is the POSSIBILITY they could flame, so lets nip it in the bud before it happens... Cheez... Can you PLEASE get the idea out of your head that I somehow accuse you of something? That is neither what I wrote, nor what I meant, nor what I implied in any way. This discussion is not about you. This discussion is about the overall problem, not your specific case. I don't know you, I don't know your screenshots, I have no interest in accusing you of anything. Seriously, why would I? Even other people already have told you that you completely misunderstood this, so PLEASE stop it. I didn't imply jack shit about you. It's like you WANT to misunderstand me. So, for the last time: This has absolutely nothing to do with you. I never said a single word about you faking screenshots and have no idea why you react so defensive to something I didn't even remotely say. What I am saying is that ANYONE, for example me, could fake screenshots and get anyone permabanned for no reason at all if screenshots were acceptable evidence. And why do I keep mentioning that? Is it because I believe you faked your screenshots? No, I don't think so and I never said I think so. I mention it because it explains the problem you are facing: Riot is not accepting screenshots as evidence. Because if they did, hell would break loose and everyone could ban everyone just for fun. > no, but i WOULD prefer them not to say something that is outright untrue (that telling someone to kill themselves is zero tolerance when it ISNT I wouldn't prefer that. Because if Riot could only say things that are both technically and legally 100% correct in literally all cases, they probably wouldn't say anything at all, ever. I prefer Riot to speak out about their ethical standards and act on it wherever they can....even if they can't in some instances, like private chats.
: would you care to elaborate on the SPECIFIC part of the GDPR you are talking of, all i have found is information saying it has to do with Riot (as a data processor/controller) has to change the way they handle 'personal' and 'sensitive' data of its 'clients' and that they have to hire something called a 'data protection officer' > and a screenshot is simply not sufficient evidence since everyone with basic photoshop skills (hell, even Paint will do the job) could just get everyone banned. > thank you for implying that i photoshopped the screenshot i took, i am sure you have evidence to back that up right? i find this highly offensive... > You can leave a private chat at any time and who you start a private conversation with is your choice. and the MUTE button exists so you can leave ingame chat any time you like, hell you can drag the chatbox off you screen so you never see it, so your claim that ingame chat is 'forced' on you is completely false > Of course, all of that doesn't make that other guy any less of a jerk, but there are simply limits how much Riot can protect you from your own decisions. maybe Riot should stop claiming that telling someone to kill themselves is zero tolerance when in fact it isnt, seeing as there is a place where it IS tolerated, that being private chat
> would you care to elaborate on the SPECIFIC part of the GDPR you are talking of Given that we are talking about a 150 pages legal document here, I obviously can not. I was trained how not to violate GDPR in my job, however, that doesn't make me a lawyer who could help you with your request. > thank you for implying that i photoshopped the screenshot i took, i am sure you have evidence to back that up right? i find this highly offensive I'm not implying that you did, I'm implying that you, me and everyone else could. Everyone could get your account permabanned at any time, without you violating any rule. Would you be okay with that? I doubt it. But that would be the consequence of screenshots as acceptable evidence. > and the MUTE button exists so you can leave ingame chat any time you like, hell you can drag the chatbox off you screen so you never see it, so your claim that ingame chat is 'forced' on you is completely false There is a difference between "opt in" and "opt out". You are ALWAYS put in the chat, with the option to opt out. But you are NEVER in a private chat, unless you opt in, i.e. you decide to do so. > maybe Riot should stop claiming that telling someone to kill themselves is zero tolerance when in fact it isnt, seeing as there is a place where it IS tolerated, that being private chat Would you prefer it that whenever Riot is talking about what they do they add a few pages of legal disclaimers to be 100% technically correct? I think you misunderstand my intention here. Morally, I am 100% on your side. If it were up to me, persons like the ones you described would not only be permabanned, they would also be legally prosecuted. But it's not up to me. And my point here is: It's also not up to Riot. You demand something from them that is simply illegal. It is absolutely okay and understandable that you are upset about that, but it really isn't Riots fault. Blame them for balancing, matchmaking or whatever, but not this. Riot have to follow the law and this really isn't their fault. Your anger is justified. But make sure you aim it at the right target.
: then i will catagorically state NOTHING will be done about it a couple months ago i added someone after a game to offer a little advice (i have a potato PC and he had left the end of game screen, so i added him) he IMMEDIATLY told me to kill myself, wished cancer and ebola on my family and wished death to all my loved ones, (all of which Riot maintain are 'zero tolerance' phrases i might add) i too had a screenshot of the conversation and opened a ticket (and told the guy in the private chat i would do so, which he laughed off and was confident that nothing would be done to him) Riots initial response was 'its private chat we dont have access to it, therefore i do not know what was said' when i responded saying that i had sent screenshots of what was said, his 'excuse' suddenly changed to 'it was a private chat you could have left at any time, it was your fault that the conversation continued' and then went on to AGREE with the flamer (saying that nothing would be done because it was a private chat) when i asked him if this was Riots logic, how could he justify chat bans, my reasoning being that you can mute at any time, and therefore 'leave' the conversation so if someone doesnt mute, its their 'fault' if they are being flamed he marked the ticket as 'solved' and closed the ticket
The actual reason behind it is, that it's called PRIVATE chat for a reason. "Private" as in "privacy laws". I work for a gaming company (not Riot) myself and we face the same problem. We are not allowed to track private chats due to GDPR and a screenshot is simply not sufficient evidence since everyone with basic photoshop skills (hell, even Paint will do the job) could just get everyone banned. So Riot quite literally can't act on this kind of report. That's not their fault, that's the law. If you don't like that, don't blame Riot but blame your government (or in this case: EU) representatives. And in the end Riot are right with their argument: You can leave a private chat at any time and who you start a private conversation with is your choice. Contrary to the chat, this is not forced on you, you decide to engage in conversation with random strangers. Of course, all of that doesn't make that other guy any less of a jerk, but there are simply limits how much Riot can protect you from your own decisions.
: Maybe its all bugged and that happends only to me :P
I think you misunderstand. No matter when exactly the item order/drops are decided, it's still RNG.
SeMBiA (EUW)
: Bannedfor arguing in rankedgames
Any apparent inconsistencies or gaps can be filled with a very simple rule that shouldn't even require being written down: Don't be a jerk. Follow this one rule and you will never ever be punished in any way in League.
: automatic punishing system is supposed to be a good thing??
> like 5th time now. and every time i get suspended, i go trough my chat logs, and notice that i never, LITTERALY NEVER, flame someone first And after all those times, has it never occurred to you that we are not in kindergarten and that it simply doesn't matter who started it? The rules ALWAYS apply to you. They don't just become invalid because someone else is breaking them. That is not how rules work. Neither here nor anywhere else, which is why I find it quite odd that after all those punishments you haven't noticed that, in League, rules simply work how they work everywhere else. > using the chat function is litteraly worthless, and not using it is also bannable It's not. Absolutely no one ever was punished for not chatting. The vast majority of players never chat and they are just fine. It's totally allowed not to chat. > im sorry u saw i was ,,deffending myself' You were very right to put this in quotation marks, because flaming back has absolutely nothing to do with self-defense. Self-defense is defined by protecting yourself from harm. Flaming back doesn't protect you from jack shit. It just makes everything worse, it's quite literally the opposite of self-defense. You seem to mix up self-defense with revenge. > im not allowed to deffend myself You are. The perfect defense is to just mute someone. You are always allowed to do that, with or without reason. > i truly hope that real people will review games, something like tribunal It worked exactly the same back in the days of the Tribunal. > and i hope that i can one day play soloq without using /mute all command, or without getting tilted every game All of that depends entirely on you.
Vertinhol (EUW)
: Sorry for the late reply, can you tell me please why I find myself playing with players that have chat restriction, even if I haven't been punished for bad behavior or something like that?
Because that isn't connected. Chat restriction have no influence at all on matchmaking.
: i agree with you. i sent them a request now and then got automatic answer from bot,then i wanted to speak to an agent it said i can speak with him now he didnt even answer. i was wrongly banned . when i saw what i wrote.. like whaaat? thousands of people were saying soo much worse stuff than i did,and never got a ban for it. i literally said f**k a few times and got ban for it
> i was wrongly banned You weren't. You flamed. You actually broke the rules. The rules don't become invalid for you just because others broke them too. If you flame, you break the rules. It's simply not allowed, no matter what. Your ban is perfectly justified. > i heard alot of people reformed,and riot gave them a chance bcs they invested their money in it. You heard wrong. That is not at all how it works. By principle, Riot NEVER unbans accounts that were rightfully banned for flaming. With the one exception that CRSF already mentioned. Money does not grant you the right to ignore the rules. Not you or anyone else.
: TFT has convinced me once again how bad the actual game is.
> That I can at least happily support the only people, who deserve compensation for their work, the art team and the team working on TFT. How exactly are you supporting them if you don't spend actual money on RP?
dino0 (EUW)
: I don't know in which server you play but saying most people never flame it's a lie. I play daily and daily I see flame and harrass (silver2-3)
> I play daily and daily I see flame and harrass (silver2-3) So? That doesn't mean that all people flame. All you need is one flamer per game to have every game ruined. There is a difference between toxic players and toxic games. Just because most games are toxic this doesn't mean that most players are.
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=jQeEE1jM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-07-12T16:19:01.029+0000) > > It's avoidance behavior. Players don't want to realize that they are not as good as they think they are. Whenever you lose, the opponent was simply better and that's a bitter pill to swallow. So instead of doing that, you simply give up. Because if you give up, you are not losing because you are less skilled, you are losing because you want to. > This is pretty common human behavior, we do it all the time. For example in school, it's pretty common that children who struggle in a certain subject suddenly make the problem worse by stopping to study for that subject. This way they don't have to experience the feeling of trying and failing but instead have an easy way out. They failed because they wanted to fail. They decided not to study and that why they failed. Not because they are not intelligent enough. That's way easier and instead of having to realize your own flaws, you feel like you are in control. > > So it's not really a logical decision, it's an emotional/protective one. > That's also why especially those who consider themselves highly competitive and REALLY want a high rank are the most likely to give up, although it directly contradicts their goals. Sounds paradoxical, but it absolutely makes sense. Because someone who doesn't really care too much about his rank also has no reason to avoid the realization that he is not good enough. Like most of your posts this one contains at least 50% nonsense, since in school noone else influences your grades while in league you just have to suffer through countless feeding botlanes
That strongly depends on what question you want me to answer with my post. You seem to look for something that is related to feeding team mates. What I explained has absolutely nothing to do with that, so of course it's "50% nonsense" if you try to apply my post to something that it's absolutely not at all about. My post explains why people have this strong tendency to give up so easily although the actual situation is only slightly negative and certainly far away from a sure loss that justifies an immediate surrender.
I3aGG (EUNE)
: i can delete this acc?
Yes. In order to do so, you need to write a ticket to the Riot Support. They will tell you what to do.
: Why most people lose after first sign of being behind
It's avoidance behavior. Players don't want to realize that they are not as good as they think they are. Whenever you lose, the opponent was simply better and that's a bitter pill to swallow. So instead of doing that, you simply give up. Because if you give up, you are not losing because you are less skilled, you are losing because you want to. This is pretty common human behavior, we do it all the time. For example in school, it's pretty common that children who struggle in a certain subject suddenly make the problem worse by stopping to study for that subject. This way they don't have to experience the feeling of trying and failing but instead have an easy way out. They failed because they wanted to fail. They decided not to study and that why they failed. Not because they are not intelligent enough. That's way easier and instead of having to realize your own flaws, you feel like you are in control. So it's not really a logical decision, it's an emotional/protective one. That's also why especially those who consider themselves highly competitive and REALLY want a high rank are the most likely to give up, although it directly contradicts their goals. Sounds paradoxical, but it absolutely makes sense. Because someone who doesn't really care too much about his rank also has no reason to avoid the realization that he is not good enough.
Vertinhol (EUW)
: Chat restriction does not prevent a player to mess up again, and what is worst than feeding and flaming or feeding then rage quit ?
How does it matter what is the worst? All of it is not okay. It's not like you have to choose. Riot can and does punish every kind of misbehavior to the best of their ability. They don't have to decide what behavior is the worst, it doesn't matter. Just because inters exist, there is absolutely no reason why flamers shouldn't be punished too. > Chat restriction does not prevent a player to mess up again Actually chat restrictions are the punishment with, by far, the highest reform ratio. They are the most effective way of changing someone's behavior. Of course, it's a punishment that can only be used for flamers, but for this category of misbehavior, it's far more effective than bans.
Vertinhol (EUW)
: Does report system works ?
> Let me explain, first I followed some players who really should get permanent ban and others just few days but RIOT did nothing You are not informed about all punishments. And especially in the case of chat restrictions, which are by far the most common form of punishment, you have absolutely no way of ever knowing if someone got that punishment. Also keep in mind that your personal definition of who deserves a permaban is not necessarily in line with how it actually works.
: Ranked anxiety?
> This is a topic I often stumble upon. The idea behind it is that there is a mechanism that checks your win-loss ratio, and tries to keep it balanced. I disagree with that one, I think that all matchmaking does is finding players around your current MMR at the time, and that's about it. Still, I can't stop thinking if such a mechanism does exist, it would force huge losing streaks to balance winning streaks, making my efforts to win some games essentially irrelevant. It doesn't exist. Why would it? There is no reason why Riot would use such a nonsensical system. What would Riots interest be in a 50% winratio? Riot wants balanced matches the best (even if of course not perfect) way to do so is to match people with similar MMR, which will automatically result in a 50% winration on the long run AND results in people getting stuck in the elo they belong in...which is exactly how it's supposed to be. A winrate-based matchmaking would also result in 50% winratio, but it would not result in everyone ending up where he belongs, but in people getting stuck where they start in their first match....which doesn't make sense at all and directly contradicts what we can observe (no one would be able to rank up). > I know Riot is against it, but I am not sure if there are measures taken to also prevent it. The permaban boosted accounts. > Riot allows smurfing. That is correct. Not because they like it, but because there is literally no effective way to enforce a rule like that. > Do you think smurfing affects Ranked and how often should I expect to meet smurfs? They do to some extent, but they can happen in both teams. Overall they won't really affect you negatively. There is no need to be paranoid about it, because it really doesn't matter if you know there is smurf or not. Just do your best, regardless if there is a smurf or not. > Some people believe that the team with the better jungle is almost destined to win. Jungle is a difficult role. That is nonsense. It's just a phrase that someone started and people keep repeating it like parrots. In the past they said the same thing about literally every other role, including support (for a very short time, admittedly). > All these have lately put my mental limits to the test. Because you focus too much on the result of individual matches. Losses happen, for a variety of reasons. Usually simply because the enemy is better overall in that particular match. You'll need to learn to deal with that. Individual matches don't matter, your overall success matters. Do your best every game, never give, don't get distracted by useless explanations why you lost, focus on yourself, relax, train, have fun.
xTbadx (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AyTPv6Eq,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-06T12:26:36.264+0000) > > You are ignoring the main point here: The amount of reports is irrelevant. If you actually misbehaved, one report would have been enough. And if you wouldn't have broken the rules, you could have gotten a thousand reports and it wouldn't have mattered at all. *cough* support singed hahahahahahahah
*cough* he did actually troll, the ban was justified and the player admitted so himself. Get your facts straight. Hahaha
: It was written at the ticket..
You are ignoring the main point here: The amount of reports is irrelevant. If you actually misbehaved, one report would have been enough. And if you wouldn't have broken the rules, you could have gotten a thousand reports and it wouldn't have mattered at all. So no, you did not get banned for getting reported 7 times. You got banned for breaking the rules, regardless of how many people reported you.
Blakex13x (EUW)
: but you can pass on said info from the boards as i assume they dont read it maybe you can do something for the community huh???.
Yes, I forward useful constructive feedback.
Blakex13x (EUW)
: you need to fix your damn system its ok for people to feed and lose lanes but saying something in the chat is bannable dont matter what it is yet i get banned for trying my best and these people just go on to ruin others games and amongst everything else dont you think its time you all sat back and thought you know what instead of releasing broken events and now champs FIX YOUR DAMN GAME!!¬!!!!!!!!!!.
I don't work for Riot. Don't tell me these things.
: I understand Riot's stance here but it's not entirely true as it happens inside Riot's application. There's no real reason to not include private chats. And the clause that it's a private channel of some sort and therefore the rules are not applicable is nonsense. Let me put it to the extreme here - what if we planned to assassinate the president, and that we meet under the Brooklyn bridge by midnight - the code-phrase is: Sic Semper Tyrannis For reference, before someone freaks out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQOvyGbBtY On the other hand, I've had my fair share of experience in similar regards and the company hosting the game couldn't do shit. Basically, we had a lot of faction drama in Mortal Online, and one of the leaders had a girlfriend who was also in-game that left the clan, did some questionable stuff with the guild bank, and he started spreading pictures of her via Teamspeak. Unfortunately, the mods were all too keen to hear and see all about it and then decided that they could not take any action because it happened outside their platform. The "best" part about it was that everyone was like: It's treason, that's worse than spreading very private pictures of someone. NUTS I said and left that shitshow for good. Either way. On the other hand, to put in a similar case. In EVE Online some pirate did LOTS of Mothership scams. LIke - constantly. What this means is basically: You can't trade anything from Mothership above via the station - this means, you have to trade it in space. So you transfer the money, the seller exits the ship, you enter it. Of course you can always just take the money and then activate smartbombs, killing the buyer. Which this guy did - always. Either way - one day one of his corpmates wanted to buy it off of him to do the same. Guess what... smartbombs. And of course some hatred was shared including death threats - all via PM - not some group chat or anything - PM. Guess who got banned? My point here is - there is absolutely no valid legal reason not to punish threats and harassment happening in PMs
> And the clause that it's a private channel of some sort and therefore the rules are not applicable is nonsense. Yes, but it's law nevertheless. Laws do not always make sense. But if GDPR sais that a chat between 2 players is private, then it's private. And GDPR does say that, sadly. Riot is not above the law. > My point here is - there is absolutely no valid legal reason not to punish threats and harassment happening in PMs ...except GDPR.
Bonesaw (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=oPhIjHUH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-06T09:55:41.673+0000) > > That is not true, at least not like that. > Yes, your punishment level can reduce but it doesn't follow a specific rule like "every 3 months". > First of all, just waiting won't do anything. If you simply wait 3 months (or 3 years), your punishment level will stay exactly the same. You need to actually play. You need to acvitely show that you are not toxic anymore. > That brings us to the second factor: How much you will have to play to lower your punishment level is defined by your behavior. If you are still occasionally toxic (even if it's not enough for another punishment), your punishment level can stay the same for years...or forever. If you are NEVER toxic in any way or even a bit positive, it might be a bit faster. > > So there is no specific timeframe, it all depends on your behavior and how much you play. > As a rule of thumb, you can say that 3 months, even with perfect behavior with massive activity, are usually not enough. And a second thing we know is that there are plenty of people who still get a perma after a 14 day ban that happened over a year ago. > > Long story short: If you want to be on the safe side, simply never break the rules again. what if instead of negative words i put asterisk marks? for example: "_you are a *_" Is that considered rule breaking? I mean if there is no context and just sentences that have cut out words and that can mean basically anything... Also I think that punishment levels and history of bad behavior should reset/decrease when player advances in honor levels. Wouldn't make sense if you leveled up in honor, broke bad one day and then you got banned for something that you did long time ago.
> what if instead of negative words i put asterisk marks? Try to do that in all languages with all insults in all variations of spelling and the result will be that pretty much the entire human language will be censored. Other games tried that and gloriously failed because of it. > I mean if there is no context and just sentences that have cut out words and that can mean basically anything. Well, yeah, if all 100 million League players play stupid, then yes. But in reality pretty much everyone is smart enough to figure out that "You *ing *" is an insult. The words itself are not the problem. The problem is that some people are jerks. And that is plainly visible even with censoring. You just lose a few detail about how exactly they wanted to be jerks.
: Riot your banning system is utter trash
> . After the game he adds me as a friends and tells me things It's a private chat with your friends. It's called "private" for a reason, it's none of Riots business to look in there unless both parties (you AND your friend) consent. Privacy laws and all... However, there is a simple trick to avoid being flamed in private chat forever: Don't add toxic players as friends. If you do anyway, that's your choice and you'll have to deal with it alone. For ingame violations, just use the report option (not the support).
Exzer0x (EUW)
: How do I do that?
You log in, you see your chatlogs, you take a screenshot, you post it here.
: Ban for being toxic
That is not true, at least not like that. Yes, your punishment level can reduce but it doesn't follow a specific rule like "every 3 months". First of all, just waiting won't do anything. If you simply wait 3 months (or 3 years), your punishment level will stay exactly the same. You need to actually play. You need to acvitely show that you are not toxic anymore. That brings us to the second factor: How much you will have to play to lower your punishment level is defined by your behavior. If you are still occasionally toxic (even if it's not enough for another punishment), your punishment level can stay the same for years...or forever. If you are NEVER toxic in any way or even a bit positive, it might be a bit faster. So there is no specific timeframe, it all depends on your behavior and how much you play. As a rule of thumb, you can say that 3 months, even with perfect behavior with massive activity, are usually not enough. And a second thing we know is that there are plenty of people who still get a perma after a 14 day ban that happened over a year ago. Long story short: If you want to be on the safe side, simply never break the rules again.
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=lHiMrrc5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-05T16:56:06.249+0000) > > even tho im carrying all these matches super hard. > > What they did is irrelevant for your punishment. This is about what you did. It also doesn't matter how much you carried, the rules apply to you regardless of your stats. > > For repeatedly insulting and trash talking other players. > > No. Riot never lifts justified permanent account bans. No exceptions peops like tyler1 get unbanned even when its an ip ban why would they do it to people like him and not rest of players ? theres even a reddit post about how many people got their perma accounts back on NA, as riot usually removes a lot of times.
You answered your own question. It was an ID (not IP) ban. He was banned as a person. That ban was lifted, his account bans were not. If you had an ID ban, you would have the same chance. But you didn't, so you are now in exactly the same situation as Tyler1: The account remains banned forever.
: Perma banned for what ????
> They flame, they feed, they troll, they wish me death and when i try to tell them they're playing bad and how to play properly im the one who gets banned.... even tho im carrying all these matches super hard. What they did is irrelevant for your punishment. This is about what you did. It also doesn't matter how much you carried, the rules apply to you regardless of your stats. > Perma banned for what ? For repeatedly insulting and trash talking other players. > any ideas how to get it back No. Riot never lifts justified permanent account bans. No exceptions
: Well, I am pretty sure you can refer to a person r*tarded publicly. And I am pretty sure you can get banned for it in Leauge (and many other games) for some reason.
You should probably stop relying on things you are "pretty sure" about. First of all, insults (and rétard is an insult) are punishable by law in almost all countries AND they violate other peoples basic rights in plenty of countries. And secondly, even if there were no laws at all about insults, Riot is well within their rights to set up rules for using their product and exclude you from using it (pretty much like every bar owner can kick you out if you misbehave. It's his bar, he has no obligation to provide service to you). You have a contract with Riot and that contract includes behavior rules AND your acceptance with those rules and the consequences if you break them. In addition, if you break the rules, you break the contract with Riot which allows them to nullify it, which revokes your right to use your account. In other words: If you violate any part of the contract you have with Riot, they can permaban you.
: so you basically see all the verbal abuse bans but no other bans cause there are none
Sorry, but pretty much none of that is correct. No, you don't see ALL verbal abuse bans, but a small fraction. This fraction does not only include bans, but also restrictions. You DO see other bans, namely bans for intentionally feeding. And last but not least: There are plenty of other bans. Intentionally feeding, cheating, accountsharing, payment problems, account security and manual bans for any other kind of "creative" misconduct.
Surma (EUNE)
: Auto Chess is going to be dead in 1 month
> At least in Poker you kinda understand what the odds of getting something like a straight flush are and are most likely to just hold onto your 2 pairs and just bluff and keep all your cards. Just because you don't understand Auto Chess this doesn't mean it's hard to understand. All the required numbers are available. > only to realize they end up winning the game against those heavy armored opponents on the #1 spot you're building against. Yeah, well, it's not exactly smart to build against ONE opponent when you play against 7. Maybe you SHOULD lose if you do that. > In this game you have NO WAY of seeing who exactly is the biggest threat to you Not exactly, no, but you can make estimates based on what you see and numbers. Whoever does that and adapts best to the situation has the highest chance to win (or at least stay in the game long). Pretty much exactly like Poker. > Game is too fast to be actually super insane competitive Don't mix up "competitive" with "Streamed tournaments". Auto Chess is indeed very hard to show in a tournament stream...that doesn't make it less competitive. > I mean you don't see Twitch streamers playing-- or to that matter seeing huge audiences of playing poker, why should this game be any different? Actually you do. Prices pools in Poker tournaments are even bigger than in Esport. And they are even broadcasted on TV, which is still rare for Esport. So no, RNG doesn't really stop games from being extremely popular. > He can't seriously make statements like "this game makes player skill shine", can he? Just because you don't understand the game this doesn't mean there is no skill involved. It actually shows nicely that skill is indeed involved. It's just not focused on mechanics like League (partly) is, but instead on knowledge, creative thinking, problem solving, flexibility and understanding of statistics/probabilities. > First this freakin Battleroyale casual garbage and now this? What's next, we're going to have Candy Crush-clone tournaments on Twich? Compare what you wrote here with your headline. Candy Crush, Battle Royale and Auto Chess are all EXTREMELY popular. Yet your headline says it's going to be dead soon, which didn't happen to ANY of those extremely popular games/genres. Long story short and your entire post in a nutshell: You confuse your own personal preferences with general facts. YOU don't like this genre, YOU don't understand it, YOU think it's too quick and random. That doesn't mean it is.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > They do it because if people couldn't get their anger out in chat, they would find other ways like feeding, ragequitting. WELL F*CKING PERMA BAN THEM FOR FEEDING OR RAGEQUITTING. But why allow them to ruin the game for others for even longer before giving them the permaban they deserved in the first place? --- > Lately, I reported 15-20 ragequitters. And I didn't see one notification that they are punished. It's intentionally set to rarely pop up under certain conditions. Most reports you issue that lead to penalties will not trigger the feedback. --- > Why can't we see the players NAME that was punished after we reported him? Privacy laws prevent this.
> It's intentionally set to rarely pop up under certain conditions. Most reports you issue that lead to penalties will not trigger the feedback. And in case of the Leaverbuster, you NEVER see the pop up, because the Leaverbuster is not connected with the Report Feedback System.
FaroseFR7 (EUW)
: To my friends..
No, in a public chat, so for everyone.
FaroseFR7 (EUW)
: We had a afk and the rest were my friends so I just slammed my keyboard out of frustration and then my friend said to ''report Rengar'' as a joke.
> so I just slammed my keyboard ...also known as spamming.
FaroseFR7 (EUW)
: I know right cant even have fun with my friend lol I was trashtalking my friend as I told you. And x9 soraka because she was afk after trash talking me and my friend.
If you want to talk to your friend, that's what private chats are for. And are you just ignoring the fact that you disrupted the chat by constantly spamming?
Mateï (EUNE)
: " The ideal scenarios is that ten individuals quickly play a perfectly-balanced match. But there are plenty of factors that we also have to consider: - Matches played during low-activity times of day - Parties of players with very different MMRs - A shortage of one or more positions (sometimes resulting in one or more players being autofiled) These all throw curveballs at the matchmaker, forcing it to weigh one aspect more heavily than the others. There are also factors that affect the perception of a fair match: -One or more players trying an off-position -One or more players trying an unfamiliar champion -An otherwise fair match in which one lane has an unfair matchup -Games can snowball out of control with early game champions or assassins, for example -Sometimes, players just have bad games! " That's from the simple matchmaking guide, so please don't asume that the system is pefect because you can't quantify all that comes when we talk about skill.(mathematicaly*) This topic was more about the outcome of a match, not focused on the imperfect matchmaking system that doesn't depend only on MMR, or skill or how you wanna call it, something that no one can quantify enough to make a perfect matchmake. A perfect matchmake that i didnt even expect.
> That's from the simple matchmaking guide, so please don't asume that the system is pefect I never did. I am well aware of these factors that prevent ANY perfect system from existing. What I said has absolutely nothing to do with that. What I said is that the average winratio does not depend on the League, because that's literally impossible. Every match, regardless of the League, has 5 players winning and 5 losing. It's impossible that the average winratio is EVER anything else but 50%. > This topic was more about the outcome of a match, not focused on the imperfect matchmaking system that doesn't depend only on MMR, or skill or how you wanna call it Ok, so you are saying that what your system does, has nothing to do with skill, but only with the performance in that game, right? If that is so, why do you want to connect the two systems? If your system manipulates LP, it does interact with the system that measures skill. Basically you allow a system that has nothing to do with skill to influence the system that rates your skill. This means that the skill rating (i.e. MMR) would be less accurate. How does anyone profit from that?
: Suggestion for riot games
I think the way Riot did it this time was a pretty good compromise. They said "Wednesday afternoon, Pacific time" (i.e. tomorrow morning). That is specific enough to have a rough idea about the release, but gives them some flexibility to take the time they need. And they also added that times might vary. The problem this time is just that, apparently, the vast majority overread the two little words "Pacific time".
billis778 (EUNE)
: I'm just gonna answer to your b), Maybe i wrote it wrong or it sounded wrong.Of course you are not gonna make exception to people "spending" ,money as you say and not donating,I didnt say to treat me like i'm special.I find it pretty silly to get suspensions and perma bans just by typing words like some of them i mentioned above.I guess i will be become one of these players which joins a ranked game,feed his a$$ off,mute everybody and at the end of the game reports them for a random reason.Anyways,peace and love.
You do that. Just know that this will get you banned too eventually and that your random reports have absolutely no effect. > I find it pretty silly to get suspensions and perma bans just by typing words like some of them i mentioned above And yet you agreed to those rules. If the rules of this games are not to your liking, don't agree to them and don't play the game...or face the consequences like a man. And, since you addressed Riot with "you": I'm not Riot. I am a player like you. I don't work for Riot.
: Can you tell the time when rito reslease it?
No one knows the exact time. "Tomorrow morning" is all we've got.
billis778 (EUNE)
: Unfair Riot
> You ban account's that keep you alive by donating money a) You are not "donating" money, you are spending it. b) How is that unfair? If Riot would treat people differently, depending on how much money they have, that would pretty much be the definition of "unfair". But they don't, they do the exact opposite. They treat everyone the same. Everyone is judged by the exact same systems and rules. That again is basically the definition of "fair". You know the rules, you agreed to the rules, you know there are consequences for breaking the rules. And you decided to break the rules. So you got punished. Doesn't get fairer than that. And there is only one person to blame for this ban, and that is you. You decided to break the rules, it was 100% your personal decision and at any point you could have decided not to do it. But you didn't. So face the consequences of your own decisions like a grown up instead of complaining how unfair it all is. In other, more figurative words: https://i.imgur.com/TqIEnYB.gif
FarYas (EUW)
: Teamfight Tactics
> Evening of June 26 ...in the Pacific timezone, as specified in their announcement. That means tomorrow morning for us.
: TFT: This is war
> we will NOT give up until we receive what we have been promised for. What Riot promised is a release in the afternoon of the 26th of June in the Pacific timezone. That is tomorrow morning in Europe. And they also said that timing may vary. So let me sum up all the promises that Riot made: None.
Mateï (EUNE)
: Since the majority of people playing ranked games are in silver or lower divisons there is a higher change for more lost games that can result in more people abusing a report choise(button) with a general and vague meaning. "Unskilled" can mean a lot of thing and reasons for players to abuse it. I think it could be made if it has a simple purpose, easy to understand for the vast majority. edit*Since there is time to make anime videos for fun i think they can make a video or a small tuturial explaining when and how to report, how to use the system.
> Since the majority of people playing ranked games are in silver or lower divisons there is a higher change for more lost games That's not true. Since you are always matched with enemies with equal skill, the winratio in all Leagues is 50%. The chance to lose is not higher anywhere, that's literally mathematically impossible.
: I've stopped reporting due to nothing ever happening.
Keep in mind that you don't receive report feedback every time someone you reported gets punished. Not getting that notification does not mean no one got punished.
HGHam (EUW)
: Reporting a player for afk while Riot has this server issue
You should report someone when you, personally, think it's the right thing to do.
Paukun (EUW)
: Not really, the ban note says: "26 Junes 2019 02:56", so it does matter
Yes and no. Yes, it matters for interpreting this particular time. But if you remember the time your ban started (or at least time of day), you will also know when it ends, without interpreting the timezone. # But yeah, they are located in LA, so that is probably the timezone that matters if any time zone matters.
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