l3imbo (EUW)
: TL:DR you have to be some sort of steve urkel type of n- to not be banned lmao. You legitimately get banned for being negative towards your own internet connection. it actually pisses me off how they doing this. cant even play a game without constantly on the threat of being banned by saying "man my iphone is fucking up right now hold up"
Good thing that is not happening then. Swearing is okay, swearing at others is not. Your example here: not punishable.
l3imbo (EUW)
: ***
*You're And you are some dude who grasps at everything he could possible think of to make his own behavious seem okay.
Caraméla (EUW)
: Would i get banned for these?
Yes - not sure why you are even asking. These are very clear cases.
House x33 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=1xuRbu0k,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-30T16:30:03.282+0000) > > The overwatch community will be happy to accept you. Fun fact overwatch is pretty much the same since competetive mode came out
Unfortuantly not unexpected.
Pankhart (EUW)
: You are, sadly, I dont understand why would you mention it, since it barely has any connection to what we were discussing =(.
Like the "gentlemans" statements. He was not discussing, he threw around accusations and blankets a whole group with them. There are definitly people here that step over the boundries, that are are only here for their schadenfreude and to make others feel bad about themselves. But that is not something everyone automaticly does when he disagrees with flamers notion that they are a)inncoent b) punished unjustly c)it was not that bad d)someone else started it etc. Just like my overblown statement that all flamers are psychopaths (which is true for some but definitly not for all) not everyone who says flaming is bad is somehow a (hidden) flamer himself. I will attest that quite a few persons are "overzelous" on the boards, to the point were I report them myself to the mods. But going from "report calling is negative" to "if you think that you do it yourself and do it even worse then most others" is just flatout redicolous. Edit: A problem is that if you visit this part of the forums long enough you read the same threads again and again: "My ban was unfair", "Premades gave me a ban", "I did nothing", "I need another chance" etc etc. Unfortunatly, the answer to these threads is also mostly the same: you did not do nothing, it was not unfair, others starting it doesn't mean you did not do it and so on. If you repeat this long enough you grow colder, it's getting harder to emphatize. Despite all their claims, 99% of the cases are not different. You have seen it before, you have said it before, answers get shorter and often more snappish. Combine this with the fact that most who come here just started to read up on the rules or only have hearsay are confronted by the people who talk about this regularly and in the process seem direct and aggressive. Some, as you mentioned, to the point were they themselves are going to far, becoming toxic themselves.
Infernape (EUW)
: Probably not for legal reasons or something.
Riot is, as you correctly said, quite relucant to take ideas from non-Riot sources, it's even in the terms of use. Might be different if there is actuall payment involved.
: Wouldn't that only apply to chat restrictions? Personally if someone got a 2 week suspension i wouldn't drop them down. It's like a last warning type thing.
No, this applies to all punishment before the parma ban afaik. As we talk about a long timeframe until your status drops (it's not only waiting for about 3 months, it's activly playing) I am personaly okay with this. Someone who has truely changed and slips up one time in the future seems unfairly perma banned to me.
: First off from years of experience let me say talking about your ban or chat restrict on the forums is like a witch asking witch hunters for empathy and compassion. Most posters on this forum don't have any of that, they're all ruthless judges who will use every possible opportunity to shoot you down and make you feel bad if you post anything relating to a personal ban, or even hint at a criticism of the game or Riot. The Reddit generation now populates the internet in swathes. It's best just not to even attempt engaging in a rational conversation with them, it'll end in their classic one word sentences, their sarcasm, their passive aggressiveness, and maybe even a bit of swearing if somebody in the real world mentioned their neckbeard looks ridiculous today and put a downer on their day. I am sorry to read about your ban. I've said for years that Riot are far too punitive with bans when a mute system already exists, but no one seems to care, and asking the community for a serious discussion regarding this situation that doesn't end in 'lel flamers get banned stay mad xd' is just a fantasy at this point. Don't let forum mob justice/ witch hunting get to you, those with the weakest minds are always the ones who automatically reply to any discourse with ruthless criticism and resorting to rude/ sarcastic/ passive aggressive language. Just ignore them, and engage in conversation with people who give you a genuine response. It takes more strength of character to see someone's point of view and empathise with them than to shoot them down passive aggressively, and I used the word passive aggressive again which is very relevant, because it has become epidemic in the community of this game. The solution to all of this, although not ideal, is to just stop talking in-game if you have anything to say that doesn't directly relate to gameplay. Riot has made it clear they want us all to act like drones mindlessly playing a game, not comment on the game, not criticise (even constructively), and not get frustrated, angry, or display any other perfectly normal and healthy human emotions. Imagine if you were walking in the street and a guy insulted you, you insulted him back, and you got 14 days in jail? Or the rest of your life, because you already did your 14 day sentence? Riot tries to justify permanent suspensions by just deleting people frome existence. Somebody will come up with the classic 'this is just a game' response, so why do you care so much about what somebody said to you in a game? Somebody will say 'we want to have fun not listen to toxic chat' So mute? And people in the real world want to listen to verbal abuse? It happens and society doesn't solve it by locking people up and throwing away the key. The only instances where I agree with punishments are for those who say 'get cancer', insult family, or use racist/ xenophobic language. For a guy who gets angry at some people who were flaming him and runs his mouth a little? SMH Riot. And I know the OP only had a chat restriction, but it escalates so fast for people who play a lot and engage in conversation in-game, even if most of it is positive, that one game where they tell a flamer to shut up or tell a troll to stop feeding will trigger the punishment system.
People in real life will throw you out of the store if you start harassing their customers. They will also often prohibit you from using it again, so yes, this very much happens in real life. Let me ask you: would our sympathy stop your flaming? Would us agreeing that your ban being unjustified help you to not get banned for the same thing again? Oh, and please read your own text again: >those with the weakest minds are always the ones who automatically reply to any discourse with ruthless criticism and resorting to rude/ sarcastic/ passive aggressive language It takes more strength of character to see someone's point of view and empathise with them than to shoot them down passive aggressively, and I used the word passive aggressive again which is very relevant, because it has become epidemic in the community of this game. ...why do you do that yourself then? I mean, you literally just did what you critizised.
: This is why i love dynamic Q
That's hardly a premade only thing. Think about all the times a single dude did started to troll because he did not get his way. Some people are dicks, some are in groups.
Pankhart (EUW)
: Oh well, there is plenty of proof on these boards =). People are offensive to convicted flamers that try to get the public on their side all the time, Im sure ur not gonna deny this, or am I wrong? Yes, of course their in-game behavior remains a mystery, but when someone is negative and mean on boards, shouldnt that suffice as a proof that these very people trying to witch hunt flamers are toxic themselves?
Well, all flamers are psychopaths anyway. They have no arguments and have to resort to insults instead of said arguments. You have seen that too, right :) Am I doing this general sweeping statemanet that encorporates everyone of a group no matter if true thing right?
: Perma banned
The overwatch community will be happy to accept you.
Spearki (EUW)
: I would expect them to not be lazy and throw everyone in the same basket and actually take it srs instead ps my comment wasn't meant for every player sure they did make some quit and others they only made it far worse because they put every one in one basket instead of actually separating them
That's why extreme behaviour like homophobia and cancer wishing can escalate the punishment up a few steps, up to a perma ban.
Spearki (EUW)
: I would expect them to not be lazy and throw everyone in the same basket and actually take it srs instead ps my comment wasn't meant for every player sure they did make some quit and others they only made it far worse because they put every one in one basket instead of actually separating them
And why should they do that? They are already giving people a lot of leisure, with multiple chances to improve. In the end, they are a company. If you do not change they do not have to run after you. It is not their job to make you adapt no matter what. They tried multiple systems and the conclusion was rather clear: people who manage to gather a certain amount of punishment will not change. Not if you give them more bans and not if you give them only restrictions. So they draw the line at one point. You ask of them to invest more time and resources. I ask: why? Why does Riot have to do the job parents were not able to do?
Spearki (EUW)
: Yet it had the complete opposite effect and only made it worse xD gj riot
So what should they do? These players harass their other customers, show no improvement after multiple punishments and warnings and are overall a negative factor to your game. What exactly do you propose and expect them to do?
Spearki (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2ocWNEA5,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-30T11:33:57.785+0000) > They're changed because they've been given a severe lesson, if you give them back the acc then what does that lesson become? It becomes a lesson if they ever went back to their behavior they had before "reforming" and getting banned they would have to go through hell again without ever having a chance to get their account back because they already use their second Chance? you won't teach a dog to behave if you always hit it then it will just run away in fear or try to escape... it needs more good then bad in order to stay and change it won't change if you never give it rewards but only punishments
Yeah, but this is ignoring the intention of the perma ban. They don't want you to play anymore. They give up on you. The perma ban is not there to teach you a lesson, it's there to protect other players from you and if possible get you to quit the game.
Pankhart (EUW)
: What gentleman was trying to say, I believe, is that on this boards people that manifest their disagreement with toxicity also numerously do it in a way that could, without a doubt, be considered negative/passive-agressive/offensive and he found that quite ironic.
And as I told the gentleman that's nothing more than assumptions he can neither prove nor be sure about.
l3imbo (EUW)
: ***
The only thing I get from you is that you ignore years of research on parenting and teaching because it does not fit your macho vibes. Gj.
l3imbo (EUW)
: You realise ever since riot has put their foot down on players, the que times went up. more people started quitting right? Back in 2014 you could probably get like 40-50 chat restrictions before getting banned, now you get banned for the 3rd time doing it. they became way to aggressive on the topic and its just making people go "why should i play a game that just wants to appeal to the little annoying kids rather then the average player?" I could get banned for flaming myself, thats how bad it is right now, and only way to improve this is completely ignore flaming as a whole. I'm guessing around thousands of players that played daily has quit since around Tyler1 Ban because they prefer to watch him then play this joke of a game. Now GrossGore is doing, so his fines would follow. Keyori. Dunkey, all they're fans either stopped watching them or quit with them. They focusing way too much on banning petty insults then fixing their game.
You realise those Queue times are up because of the new role select system before a game? At least pretend you don't make up arguments...
Seikan (EUW)
: 5% arent terrible odds, and its not like this number is the only thing you can consider. People who where crying for months usually cry ingame aswell, so the wrong people were taken aswell. and 5 % of the wrong people is even better
That makes no sense or I do not understand you. Sorry, but I do not get your point.
Seikan (EUW)
: never heard of the challenge, but i think if its true, it would be worth even if it would only work for the 5% of players who made it. There shouldnt be a thing like an "absolute punishment" online, or at least not at the first time. Im not familiar with the challenge, but i guess those people also didnt wait half a year or longer, since they where still writing stories and so on,as you mentioned.
On the contrary, these were people who kept bombarding the support and the forums for a looong time, months. A permanent ban is almost never the first thing they get. The usuall way is two chat restrictions and a 14 day ban, only then a perma ban might follow. People have multiple chances to get their shit together. 5% are teribble odds, as it means 95% were destroying games again. Investing resources into this does not seem worthwhile.
: Chance of getting account suspended?
Sharing your account for any reason might lead to its permanent closure. "Might" being the word here. If you want to be absolutly sure you should not let your friend play.
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-30T01:19:14.855+0000) > > Well, as I said: just "because you are sure" or because "you bet" does not make it true, just because it is convinient for you. So much for any evidence. Yo talk big about evidence and reason, you tell me I don't make sense, but your idea of an argument is "because I say so and because I saw it often". Shall we go again? I am sure you are anti-social. I bet you have no friends. Will you accept this? Why would you? Why would we? > > I mean, we would be stupid. We _know_ this gets you punished, but we use it ourselves? Think a bit please. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D "I mean, we would be stupid. We know this gets you punished, but we use it ourselves? Think a bit please." exactly think a bit. As I said people are here not to have discussion but to find something wrong to prove. They didn't find actual reason as this player didn't flame and came out with "report calling". Report calling can be found in every single game in LOL and we would be stupid to say it isn't. Talking about evidence, just enter a game and you will see yourself. At the end of the game there is always someone saying to report someone. Thats it and everybody has done including me and you, no matter if it was a real feeder or flamer and you asked enemy to report him, no matter if it was an afk, you have said it and it will be a big lie to say you haven't, a really big lie. Report calling is big part of the game of this community, as everybody starts blaming for the loss the others thretening and asking others to report. People here haven't done this only if they are not playing the game and if they are not playing the game then why would they be here?
Sorry, but either quote me or stop putting words in my mouth. I did not edit my posts. How to prove I did not do it or did it? That is, frankly, your problem. You keep telling me I do it, so the burden of proof is upon you. Right now you do the flying spaghetti monster: unless I proof it does not exist it exists. That simply not how it works. As with all punishments, a few "reported" here and there will not get you punished. To get a punishment you have to do it often or together with other things, possibly a reason why you see it quite often. I fail to see the link there. Report calling is punishible, by Riots own words. Why would people suddenly make it up just to find a reason to punish someone if it already is one - a legitimate one at that? Just because you see it "rearly" does not mean it suddenly does not apply anymore. Also for gods sake use paragraphs and quoting, your posts are hard to read.
: can you guys see the chat logs?
No, you either need to post them again or link your other thread.
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-30T01:19:14.855+0000) > > Well, as I said: just "because you are sure" or because "you bet" does not make it true, just because it is convinient for you. So much for any evidence. Yo talk big about evidence and reason, you tell me I don't make sense, but your idea of an argument is "because I say so and because I saw it often". Shall we go again? I am sure you are anti-social. I bet you have no friends. Will you accept this? Why would you? Why would we? > > I mean, we would be stupid. We _know_ this gets you punished, but we use it ourselves? Think a bit please. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D "I mean, we would be stupid. We know this gets you punished, but we use it ourselves? Think a bit please." exactly think a bit. As I said people are here not to have discussion but to find something wrong to prove. They didn't find actual reason as this player didn't flame and came out with "report calling". Report calling can be found in every single game in LOL and we would be stupid to say it isn't. Talking about evidence, just enter a game and you will see yourself. At the end of the game there is always someone saying to report someone. Thats it and everybody has done including me and you, no matter if it was a real feeder or flamer and you asked enemy to report him, no matter if it was an afk, you have said it and it will be a big lie to say you haven't, a really big lie. Report calling is big part of the game of this community, as everybody starts blaming for the loss the others thretening and asking others to report. People here haven't done this only if they are not playing the game and if they are not playing the game then why would they be here?
I did not call you stupid. Where the hell did I do that? You keep pointing at me and others and keep shouting "you do it! I know you do it! It is true! You are the worst of all even!!" Of course you feel like talking like to a wall in that respect - you keep telling me I do something which I do not. What do you expect of me? Hang my head and say "damn, guess I am reportcalling every game after all"? Of course I will call you out and say "no I do not", to which your answer only is "es you do!". Sorry, but this is silly. You tell me I make no sense but at the same time you are incapable to provide soudn reasoning.
: yes you right , but when i started playing 4 years ago what riot did was giving chat restictions , why did they start banning accounts?
Pretty sure 4 years ago was the time before restrictions, but the answer is quit simple: because those restricted either changed after the first few or not at all. They amassed vast amounts of restrictions, not giving a f. So the current system was born, were your punishment is escalated with every step. You already had two restrictions, that did not help, so you got the 14 day ban. The next step is a permanent one.
: but you see as flame what i said? i mean i dont think thats flaming
As I already said: read it again. Scratch everything that is not arguing, blaming or calling others kids. How much is left?
: yes exatly , but what i wrote i dont take it as flaming , in my point of view what you think?
That you should look closer. After the first two sentences not a single one was necessary or positive. Not one. Your whole chat is arguing, blaming and calling others kids. Read the chat again and imagine you are in the same game as somebody who goes on and on like that. Do you want to play with that guy?
: it wont make much sense , because you cant see what the guy said only what i said
That's not important. You are judged for what you said, just as others are judged for what they said. Someone else starting it does not change that you did what you did.
Seikan (EUW)
: Hm, coming to think of it, i believe a "second chance" system or so could be a thing. Like you can get your account back via the support at least after half a year of a break from league. Then you get your account back but the automated system will be more strict to this account for lets say another half year. Ofc people like Tyler1 dont deserve such a treatment, but people change alot and so does their attitude. How about it?
They did that. People, who were handpicked by support because their pleas and stories were so convincing, were given a challange: reach level 20 on another account without being banned again. Guess what happened: a whopping 95% did not make it. Some people just cannot change and it's simply not worth it to let those loose upon the rest of the players for the tiny amount that might.
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=000500000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-30T01:19:14.855+0000) > > Well, as I said: just "because you are sure" or because "you bet" does not make it true, just because it is convinient for you. So much for any evidence. Yo talk big about evidence and reason, you tell me I don't make sense, but your idea of an argument is "because I say so and because I saw it often". Shall we go again? I am sure you are anti-social. I bet you have no friends. Will you accept this? Why would you? Why would we? > > I mean, we would be stupid. We _know_ this gets you punished, but we use it ourselves? Think a bit please. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D "I mean, we would be stupid. We know this gets you punished, but we use it ourselves? Think a bit please." exactly think a bit. As I said people are here not to have discussion but to find something wrong to prove. They didn't find actual reason as this player didn't flame and came out with "report calling". Report calling can be found in every single game in LOL and we would be stupid to say it isn't. Talking about evidence, just enter a game and you will see yourself. At the end of the game there is always someone saying to report someone. Thats it and everybody has done including me and you, no matter if it was a real feeder or flamer and you asked enemy to report him, no matter if it was an afk, you have said it and it will be a big lie to say you haven't, a really big lie. Report calling is big part of the game of this community, as everybody starts blaming for the loss the others thretening and asking others to report. People here haven't done this only if they are not playing the game and if they are not playing the game then why would they be here?
I do not find report calling in every single game. I do not report call. I never did so because I know how the system works. Same for the people I regularly play with. You can call me stupid or a liar, but that still is in no way proof. I see stupid people daily but that does not make everybody stupid. This all boils down to you not being able to imagine people being different from you. We are. This is like sweeping general statements like "nobody likes the French" or "all Americans ar fat" - no, not everybody does that or thinks like that. People who say they don't might lie - but YOU cannot know that. Do you even know why report calling is considered negative? It's not needed (it's the amount of reported games that is important, not the amount of reports) It does not help People use it to try to coerce others into doing what they want. "Reported" was one of the words most used by toxic players quite some time ago, not sure how different it is now. A single reported will not get you any punishment.
: Account suspended for 14 days
>banning people for no reason Chatlogs. Post em. Also mute other players who try to get a raise out of you.
: Pretty sure the 2 week ban is the final warning before perma bans. If i got a 2 week suspension in season 3 i could still get perma banned now because the strikes do not go away. If your case is "I spent a lot of money on this game, you can't do this to me", well i'e got news for you. They can and they have. It's a free to play game with all the champions being available to purchase with in game currency that you can earn. No one forced you to spend that money so you've only got yourself to blame for wasting it.
Actually the you can drop down ban steps again if you are able to behave good enough for a long time. A time frame that goes around is 3 months of good behaviour is down one step, but that is not sure. What's sure is that it CAN go down
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cobaltmotari,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2016-07-29T20:10:11.163+0000) > > Or, you know, they found toxic things in the specific things the OP did. You know...it's _more_ than a little bit possible and, unlike what you're saying, _doesn't_ rely on elitist hyperbole that does nothing but indicate that you simply aren't prepared for an environment like a public discussion board because of how you view opinions and people you don't agree with. Like report calling that is in most of the games, jeez then most of people here should be suspended too. In every game I play there is "report this, report that" nice..
Which is - still - no evidence whatsoever that the people here do it themselves.
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=0005000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-29T15:49:28.307+0000) > > Now let's look at what you really wrote: > > This is not about report being in every game. You claim that the people who say "yes, report calling is negative" are doing it themselves. > > In the other post you tell me > > Thing is, your whole "evidence" or point here is completly made up. You have no way of knowing that. Seeing "REPORT" in a lot of games does not equal the people here on the boards doing it. You take a general piss in the direction of the people who think report calling is negative because you disagree. > > It is, quite possible, that I missunderstood you, that you set reporting and report calling on the same level. Which I do not understand. LoL you really don't understand do you. Report calling is in every game and I'm sure that every single one of these people here have used it. "Report brand for feeding" "Report Sejuani for flame" "Report...". Everybody, no exceptions. Every person. "Thing is, your whole "evidence" or point here is completly made up. You have no way of knowing that. Seeing "REPORT" in a lot of games does not equal the people here on the boards doing it. You take a general piss in the direction of the people who think report calling is negative because you disagree." Aren't people on the boards people that play this game, or no they just come here to chat and go playing CS:GO? When did I set reporting and report calling on the same lvl wtf? Talking about made up evidence.... But what do I expect this only proves what I said, you can't find sense here, so I'll stop searching here..
Well, as I said: just "because you are sure" or because "you bet" does not make it true, just because it is convinient for you. So much for any evidence. Yo talk big about evidence and reason, you tell me I don't make sense, but your idea of an argument is "because I say so and because I saw it often". Shall we go again? I am sure you are anti-social. I bet you have no friends. Will you accept this? Why would you? Why would we? I mean, we would be stupid. We _know_ this gets you punished, but we use it ourselves? Think a bit please.
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=00050000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-29T15:24:54.043+0000) > > Yes, you explained it, said why it is bad - and do it yourself. You add elements to your argument to strengthen it or devalue the opinion of others. "I bet" does not change that you have no way of proving that, even remotely. > My problem is that you are a hypocrit. You lament how others do what they tell others not to and do it yourself. LOL, please before you comment at least try think a little. Your comments really make no sense. I gave him advice, I don't see how I tried to prove wrong anybody in particular with that. Even so, I explained myself pretty well, something you didn't do in any of your comments. Not only that, but you actually didn't say something that is proper for the situation. Furthermore, "I bet" - enter a game yourself you will see "REPORT...." in any game you play. Your problem is that you are like the most of the people here, trying to make your opinion right in anyway possible and best is change the topic or accuse of something without giving any sort of explanation. The difference is that at least I can defend my opinion, regardless if it is true or not, but I doubt you can do this with yours.
Now let's look at what you really wrote: >I bet that in game they are all "OMG REPORT" but here for them report calling is offense This is not about report being in every game. You claim that the people who say "yes, report calling is negative" are doing it themselves. In the other post you tell me >See in a discussion you will have two opinions and if the people having it are intelligent they will agree on the one that has better reason and evidence. Thing is, your whole "evidence" or point here is completly made up. You have no way of knowing that. Seeing "REPORT" in a lot of games does not equal the people here on the boards doing it. You take a general piss in the direction of the people who think report calling is negative because you disagree. It is, quite possible, that I missunderstood you, that you set reporting and report calling on the same level. Which I do not understand.
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-29T15:09:31.128+0000) > > If you know that, why do you try and do it yourself? What purpose did your comment about people here doing themselves what they deam reportable serve, other than trying to devalue other peoples opinion with no evidence whatsoever, just hearsay? I never started proving him wrong, did I? I just gave him advice and explained him why. And further more as I said, now they deam it reportable but in game I bet they all do it and don't find anything wrong with it then, do they? My comment wasn't focused on them but to him, so whats your problem? As for the evidence I think I explained it pretty good in my last comment but w/e.
Yes, you explained it, said why it is bad - and do it yourself. You add elements to your argument to strengthen it or devalue the opinion of others. "I bet" does not change that you have no way of proving that, even remotely. My problem is that you are a hypocrit. You lament how others do what they tell others not to and do it yourself.
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-29T14:47:59.025+0000) > > ...because you want it to be true? Because you cannot face that people practice what they preach? Because deriving others of reason is easier than looking at your own behaviour? You know that this sounds more like people like yourself than like me? I talk from my experience on this boards and I know what people do and how they think..... They are not here to discuss something, oh no they are here to prove something is wrong and its just for the sport. Yep, thats how Internet works, you have opinion, well nice lets see if we can find something wrong with it to prove we are better. When most people read something they don't think "Hey, let's see what part of this guy opinion is good?" they actually search what can be wrong with it. The worst part is that not that they will focus so hard to prove you wrong, the worst part is this is not discussion at all. See in a discussion you will have two opinions and if the people having it are intelligent they will agree on the one that has better reason and evidence. What we do here is competition to find a way to make your opinion better by any means. Reason is really hard to find on here and on any other discussion on Internet. And I'm pretty confident in what I said about these people in game, this whole community in game is "REPORTED" for every single thing that you do or say in game that they don't like. Anyways, as I said its hard to find reason here, so I doubt this will be anything different...
If you know that, why do you try and do it yourself? What purpose did your comment about people here doing themselves what they deam reportable serve, other than trying to devalue other peoples opinion with no evidence whatsoever, just hearsay?
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7AaY6o2I,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-07-29T14:07:53.123+0000) > > And I bet you love to ride hamsters and fancy Angela Merkel as your spouse. Does not make it true. WTF? I don't know what you meant, but still what I said earlier is true.
...because you want it to be true? Because you cannot face that people practice what they preach? Because deriving others of reason is easier than looking at your own behaviour?
RiCaR1 (EUW)
: Don't expect to find any reason on the boards. People here are way too sensitive and can find something toxic in anything. Don't even bother arguing with them they won't understand. I bet that in game they are all "OMG REPORT" but here for them report calling is offense. As I said don't even bother....
And I bet you love to ride hamsters and fancy Angela Merkel as your spouse. Does not make it true.
Goofle (EUW)
: Wow, why are there still such threads popping up this late into the season? You'd expect that people would have already figured it out by now... LET ME EXPLAIN HOW THE "JUSTICE SYSTEM" WORKS : 1. You type something in chat (it could be anything, nobody reads your chat logs anymore) 2. You get reported by many players. 3. A warning/ban is coming your way. Yeah, that's how sophisticated Riot's new "justice system" is. There was once a thread on these forums where the guy posted the chat logs from his perma-ban. It was a single "gg". A riot employee came in to cover things up and said that the guy was repeatedly throwing games on purpose (opgg showed REALLY good scores and CS, so idk wtf the rioter had smoked really)... The e-mail on the other hand clearly stated "verbal abuse" as the reason for the ban. Clear indication that the system is 110% automated and complete garbage.
Because of one case in thousends? Where are all these false bans where nothing bannable is written? Why do we only see one or two in months?
WarHammer43 (EUNE)
: it was not my intention to write a novel, maybe some gramatical mistakes here and there, but mostly just some damn thoughts, i fell like there are too mnay animal out there who skipped the first 30 lvls of the game
Possible. But why would all of those end up in your games?
: i can spam dance/laugh , use anivia/tahm to troll -kill my teammates ,and prolly trigger 70-90% of current community to flame and insult me, and THAN report each and every one of them without a toxic word spoken that could be located in chat logs , or i could use cyphers like fcku b5 etc only once to trigger others this happens, and this happens ALOT not from me, but saying i saw it one too many times
I can get 110% of the current community to dance naked around a fire, but that statement does not validate itself just because I used high numbers.
: nop, someone insults your family on personal level, trolls and kills you as teammate, and stuff, and you only make one mistake after than, they or even worse their premade can false positive report you :))) toxicity is meant to exist in this game, i think we will NEVER get rid of it, disliking my post proves it since you can cheat the Tribunal system if you are inteligent enough
...how do downvotes proof that? I fail to see the - no, any connection.
WarHammer43 (EUNE)
: Why doesn't the league report sistem work, Why is it allowed to by a full lvl 30 account
1) It's really hard to read your text. Yes, this is the internet, but most people will not read a text that takes effort to read. 2) Short answer: selling and buying accounts is not allowed. It's just hard to be sure if an account was sold
k4nd17r33 (EUW)
: Personally I blame Riot's ineptitude due to recent changes of hands of their company to Tencent. They lost touch and will need time to recover it
"Recent"? Tencent owned Riot now for years. Including those times people look back and call "the best".
: That is not true. The Tribunal does not exist anymore. And the voting portion was not disabled. How else would you explain that people are getting banned seconds after a game has ended, and they are presented the chatlog of the previous game they have just finished playing seconds ago? Don't tell me there was a real person who actually has read that chatlog (THAT quickly). There is no way real human beings could EVER follow up on all those chat logs of the thousands if not millions of games that are played every day. This site also claims that the Tribunal is down by the way: http://tribunal.na.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/maintenance.html. You should really check your facts before posting. We are not going to make any progress if people start making things.
He did not. He claimed that the voting section of the tribunal is down - which is true. The tribunal right now is everything concerning player behaviour (more or less). That' what Riot decided to call it. No, there is no real person, that's nothing that furor ever claimed. There is an automatic system in place, hence the quick reaction to reports. And yes, furor is still right: the amount of reports plays a minor role.
Nar7ia (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Irrsinn,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=iIP0VyAM,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-27T15:54:53.609+0000) > > They did: send the screenshots to support. Yea this is the most you can do but I doubt sending tickets to support does much. I have reported few boosted people and flamers this way and guess what , almost all of them went unpunished and are still playing. Best thing to do is just not accepting friend requests from such people you know that will flame you.
1) You do not see all punishments. There is no way to see chat restrictions, which are the fist punishment for most flaming. 2) Quite honestly, going by what a number of people here on the forums see as boosted I understand why the support does not take any action. Does not mean you are wrong, but too many people claim playing bad = boosted.
RIPya (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Sona or Janna,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=iIP0VyAM,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-07-27T15:27:11.697+0000) > > I don't think anyone has said being verbally abusive is ok. However there are tools to combat it that are easy to implement and use. actually yes...all said i should just ignore and block right after...so obviously it is! nobody said what i can do against...
They did: send the screenshots to support.
Picanha96 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Magneset,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xsvl3kzf,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-27T09:55:54.667+0000) > > Use the mute button. Its there for that purpose. After the game you give them a report and thats that. Riot is not going to do anything else about it. If Riot had to "protect" all of these "vulnerable" people they wouldnt have time to do anything else, because the majority of league players gets offended over anything. > > Again. If someone insults you. Mute and report. Enabling Social Cost is so Economic( saves Time, Boosts Marketing) and so Efficient...
That's why we do it everyday and still do public executions and put people up for exposure to the masses, ready to get showered in rotten fruit. There are also no drawbacks - if anybody turns out to be innocent afterwards there is no chance that his carrer and reputation are still ruined! Or wait - maybe there is a reason why Lynchmobs might be outlawed.
Owyn (EUNE)
: > I hope it was a sarcasm in your post. Of course not, it's official rito position as far as I understand. They barely ban trolls\feeders. Haven't you seen that serious discussion thread when they ask should they extend flame bans to ban for new bad word or not? That's way more serious that those silly trolls\afkers, who cares about them anyway?
"They" are the forum mods - which are in no way connected to game programming or features. Hell, they aren't even Riot employes! Yes, Riot should up their game but this is just a strawman.
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