: Gain 13 LP lose 23 LP
Bumping this hoping Eambo will swing by with some feedback, since he seems to be the only Rioter who ever engages with anyone on EuW boards.
: New Tiers Destroyed Ranked
It's Riot logic.. They knew match making was %%%%ed up for several reasons, so they thought they could fix it by adding new tiers. I've truly never known a gaming company that could be more arrogant and indifferent than Riot, reading some of their Q & A's just screams out horseshit and downs syndrome management.
Mártir (EUW)
: Chat banned for first time, wow - I thought the System worked, but no /// + Proof
Your logs are excessive by any standard, it's a game not a chat room:) I don't say the above to belittle you or anything, but it's well known that excessive chat can get you chat restricted.., that being said.. My personal belief backed by the history of the game, is that Riot's punishment system does more harm than good. It's not worked for 8 seasons, it has in fact just gotten worse as time goes on. I don't believe it has anything to do with "fresh" faces coming to the game, but everything to do with players losing their accounts over something as insane as words written that can be muted, and once they start a new account they have next to no inhibitions.
: new ranked system not placing you right? as silver with plat/diamond?
I don't think anyone (Which includes Riot) can explain how match making is working these days.
DerPunkt (EUW)
: Sorry I am so used to have to explain simple stuff to total baffoons that I became one myself. As soon as I read your starting line I just assumed it was against my argument point out an obvious lack of comparability. Also since you answered to my post instead of the one you were arguing against with me I just assumed it was a weak counter argument. So we agree there is no reason to flame in this game. Thats nice.
Whups, I guess we're both guilty here, I was not meant to reply to you, and we do agree:)
: Happen to me 3 times today. Wait just first time and after relog. If you keep playing then you will be stuck all time.
Yea, closing the client and starting fresh did the trick that shouldn't be needed.., but hey:)
: Now I know if I get stuck in loading screen because the MS will gonna stop changing.
Got stuck in the concluding game screen -.-
: Well they created the practice tool feature and a replay system despite being against them at first. Actually, toxicity was one of the reasons why they didn't want to make a practice tool at first, which is ridiculous. They were afraid people would tell others to go learn to play in practice tool as a form of flaming. However, how many time have we seen this actually even happen? i haven't seen that even once yet. They basically think people are more toxic than they actually are. The same thing is with the mmr visibility. They are afraid people will compare each other and flame. However, they can already do that with ranks anyway and before the practice tool, people would tell you to learn to play in customs. They really aren't changing anything like this. I think they are simply too lazy to make them visible at this point.
That was sort of my point. There have been so many great suggestions over the years on these boards despite zero engagement or interaction from Riots side, but every time it's been a 1-way pseudo argument from their side why they wouldn't do or be reluctant to do certain things (Like the pratice tool). I don't think it's that Riot thinks people are more toxic than they are, it's that Riot knows they have the worst assortment of humanity for a very large part, despite their political approach trying to spin it like toxicity is 0.0006% bs. What's worse is that there have been some really great suggestions to this exact problem, all who've been stonewalled with the exception of the so-called prisoners island.., and again it's been countered with a 1-way pseudo argument that their current system is working.
DerPunkt (EUW)
: Don't come with apples and oranges as soon as somebody turns your analogy around against your narrative or rather OPs narrative. The comparison already lacks considering, that league is called a team sport without being one. You don't play in teams you play in randomly put together groups that disband after the game anyway. So a coach will not bench you after a bad performance, cause there won't be a next game for that "team" so the analogy is lacking. The point is, in no way is it OK to flame your fellow player, especially since I never voted for you to be my king and coach. You are just part of that random group that is put together by skill and nothing else so all are at the same level and if somebody has abad game thats just how it is. it shows a certain antisocial if not sociapathic trait when you believe to be better and also in the right to teach others how to behave while playing on the same level as you. Don't get me wrong. You may tell people when they %%%%ed up and tell them how they can improve, but when they don't want that advice shut the f*** up and play instead of annyoing your team and the enemy team with "report X for Y" or "uninstall" your team does not care and the enemy will just rub their hands in delight seeing that they win yet another game cause the psychologic pressure was to much for the enemies flamer and he started to do their work for them by destroying the already frail team spirit and thus dragging everybody down. -> Show me one pro game where they start flaming each other. ONE LCS/LEC game where we can see them going at each others throats. They know it is bad, they know it does not belong in game. They talk it out later and they don't shame each other, they will tell their mates if they played bad but never will they tell the public that one of their mates is bad and should quit playing. That is hostile, unsportmanlike and just asocial.
> [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xnWgJG5W,comment-id=000a00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T20:52:35.757+0000) > > Don't come with apples and oranges as soon as somebody turns your analogy around against your narrative or rather OPs narrative. > Yea..., that's where I started which makes the analogy apples and oranges.. Jezz mayn, get glasses or take the time to actually read what you are replying to, it's getting boring repeating stuff.
: If my rank would be plat 4 with that mmr, it would tell A LOT. We should be able to see our own mmr and what it should be in our respective elos. You can make it so that you can only see the your own mmr and the mmr of your friends if they allow it via a checkbox. That way, riot could avoid the "toxicity" they are so afraid of while also giving the community WHAT THEY WANT. Riot is being very stubborn and selfish with this.
Name a single thing that Riot isn't being archaic about? Their shoving LEC etc down people's throat does not count.
: New lvl of reporting trolls/inters/griefers
You'd need a lot more than just 30 - 60 seconds of replay to judge from, but other than that the idea is solid in itself. The downside is that Riot won't do it, purely because of the potential material they'd have to have staff on hand to go through. If you take verbal toxicity today, it could be entirely optional if players wanted any part of it, if Riot simply made an option in the client, to disable all forms of chat from pre-game to post-game, but they are never doing that despite it.
DerPunkt (EUW)
: >Yes, you are right I have never played Competetive football, however in what way does my analogy suck, if I keep doing dumb shit then I will get noticed and people will tell me to stop and eventually I will get kicked off the team if I do not improve this is true in all competitive sports. You can't kick anyone in League and once you load into the game you are trapped with 4 people who could be complete degenerates or actually normal people. you have no idea what you are talking about. A amateur team will never kick somebody out. A pro team will also not kick you out, they expect you to play at a vertain level and if you don't perform in that level they will not renew your contract thats it. And they will do everything in their power to help you. If you start to scream at players for their mistakes, it is very likely they will kick you out due to being a bad sport and bad psychological influence. And considering that they put you in a team with equally good/bad players and you still feel like playing way better and harass your team. They won't even need long to never have you play for them. Don't pretend we are all payed for our game. Not even diamond players are. Comparing them to football high diamonds are the football players who still pay their teams a membership fee. It is only some where around challenger where you maybe can start to only work half time cause you are now playing in the lowest available league that can afford to pay its players and if you manage to get in such a team you are no longer considered to be a bad player or a player that needs scolding. You are a player that needs support and training if you make a mistake and if you team can not provide that, they will trade you or no longer renew your contract so you are free to go back to amateur level or find a new team that can provide you with the support you need to get better.
> [{quoted}](name=DerPunkt,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=xnWgJG5W,comment-id=000a000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-12T10:39:19.410+0000) > > you have no idea what you are talking about. A amateur team will never kick somebody out. A pro team will also not kick you out, they expect you to play at a vertain level and if you don't perform in that level they will not renew your contract thats it. And they will do everything in their power to help you. If you start to scream at players for their mistakes, it is very likely they will kick you out due to being a bad sport and bad psychological influence. And considering that they put you in a team with equally good/bad players and you still feel like playing way better and harass your team. They won't even need long to never have you play for them. > So what part of apples and oranges is it you don't understand? An amature team coach will bench you if you start dragging your team down, a pro team coach most certainly will not to mention you are at a high risk of not being drafted for the following games. Both of the above in that simplistic description have two things this game does not in your day to day solo-que, a coach and a strategy they try to execute combined. I am also not the one comparing anyone to highly / overly paid football stars, the analago of the OP was between this game and football which sucks as I said, it doesn't matter if you take an amature or pro team.
: Yes, you are right I have never played Competetive football, however in what way does my analogy suck, if I keep doing dumb shit then I will get noticed and people will tell me to stop and eventually I will get kicked off the team if I do not improve this is true in all competitive sports. You can't kick anyone in League and once you load into the game you are trapped with 4 people who could be complete degenerates or actually normal people. If I ping once and you don't fall back in the lane then I will proceed to spam your ass because you seem to not only have shit map awareness but also ping awareness which I can't believe is possible, but it happens when you start spamming in caps, losing farm while typing, and the dumbass dies anyway, this is by far one of the most tilting things. If you ult an entire team under their tower as Malphite and there is no one nearby to follow up expect to get your ult pinged or even your death timer, you have to realize people are lazy and aren't going to type out in chat "Well Malphite, maybe next time don't ult under their tower while our team isn't nearby, this leads to us losing a member which can then cause us to lose the next fight thus losing the game" I don't even think the max characters in league can even fit that message. When I %%%% up a flash then ofc the team will spam ping me and I will laugh about it but also I will learn from this and next time I will know that you can't flash over a certain wall. When my jungler comes for gank and pings me that he is coming and I ping that I have no mana and he can see that the enemy can kill me and get away from the gank, the jungler then proceeds to spam ping that he is coming, I would deem this as toxic spamming, then if we die to the enemy because I am low hp and mana, he will spam timer, this is also toxic. But spamming ping for when something that could have been done better is not toxic. If there is something that was inevitable then the spam ping is toxic.
For one thing as you yourself pointed out, acting immaturely and obnoxious in a football match will get you benched to start with, and possibly not drafted for the following games.., something that isn't possible in league. Secondly, in a football setup you've got a strategy you try to execute together, another thing you do not have in your day to day solo-que, some people value quick games by focusing global objectives since it gives a faster climb, others value their personal KDA which at times is costing easy games and is a cause of frustration for the other players on that side. Finally, people don't learn from pings in this game, you may not understand this or refuse to accept that, but people view ping spam for whatever reason it comes, as another player trying to grieve them, ie; Yea okay, I made a mistake, but jezz.., ping spam? RLY? As I said, apples and oranges.
: Ofc they point out your mistakes, wtf? If im playing football and I randomly try to go for goal and miss because the better option would have been to pass to someone that was open and had a clear shot then my coach and team will flame the shit out of me for not passing. Pointing out mistakes is part of improving at things and if you can’t take it then just don’t play competetive games/sports because you won’t survive a second. You show that you don’t want to improve by seeing it as a negative when people point out your mistakes, and you did the right thing by quitting the game, however there is still aram and normal in which you get 80% less toxicity because no one actually gives a shit in those gamemodes.
Pretty obvious you have zero experience in playing competitive football, and your analogy sucks honestly since it's apples and oranges! Pointing out a mistake would be more like: Maybe you should consider X or Y next time instead? Not ping / timer spamming which is purely done to harrass players!
MHDD (EUNE)
: Iron ranked games are too toxic
What does toxicity in Iron have to do with flaming in normal?
Lari (EUNE)
: CLient broke down!!!!!
Logged in with no problem and can que up, guessing it's a router issue like yesterday so only some are affected.
: Will Riot ban people who flame in another language, and you translate it?
Well, it's bad words that can't just be muted, so of course Riot takes this to the highest penalty instantly.., I mean, it's utterly gamebreaking, if only they would allow you to silence players.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: You aren't breaking me any news, just because this how it's always been doesn't mean it should keep going like this and we are discussing this on forums in hopes that riot will listen to their community and make a change. With the attitude of yours, the kind of accepting it and moving on the game eventually will die not in one, two or three years but 5 or 6 years from now or just until some other game will come out and do it better than league of legends Of course it nothing out the ordinary because i started playing in preseason 8 and i never knew any other state than what we have now and i'm starting to get sick of it And quite clearly you are aware of the issue and it is bothering you to some extent so i'd appreciate if you just leave a thumbs up so riot would get my attention
If it isn't news to you, then neither is this.., Riot never listens to it's "community", if it did things would be different. Their match making isn't the only major flaw in this game, so is their punishment system since things are not and will not improve under the current framework, because once people lose their investment in a main account, they will in general care less next time. My suggestion to negate / remove / drastically reduce verbal toxicity is to let players moderate their own chat by disabling it entirely through the client, so far the only pseudo argument I've heard to counter this option from Riot minions, is that it would increase trolling.., which can't be bad since trolling according to the very same minority group is 1 / 5000000. You can move on in regard to their tutorial, it's been changed going into season 9, but it still fails on all parameters except teaching players how to move forward and auto a tower or random enemy. It's not that I don't care about the systems in place, it's just that it gets boring discussing it after multiple season of watching an archaic company who mostly resembles a 92 year old dog set in it's ways, while nothing changes.
JuiceBoxP (EUNE)
: Solo carrying and climbing is totally possible... BUT,
I hate breaking it to you, but it's always been like, though more so since season 7 onwards. Season 7 onwards you had to tick one of three boes to beat the house, or significantly improve your odds: * Duo-que * Being significantly better than enemy players * Boost either through duo-quo or account sharing / win trading from a smurf Playing the true solo-que experience you have always had RnG either favor or hate you, simply because match making in this game isn't considering in-game statistics. By statistics I mean literally everything, even something as trivial and simple as warding.., everyone knows the laner who never wards, even after being ganked 5 times straight and not learning a thing from it. Do I consider this season to be anything out of the ordinary?- no, not really.
: Trying to make a fair match is not fair in Ranked System.
Unfortunentely it's always been this way, and despite you touching the nail on the head with the secondary hidden rank (Gold vs Bronze due to a win streak), Riot is an archaic institution that is stuck in their ways due to the faceless masses pumping money into the system.
ouyqf (EUW)
: Why trolling player is everywhere now ????
If you thought Riots ban approach to problems in this game would reduce or remove said problems, you have another thing coming.
: Yes i do think time does factor in how good a player is but it is definetely true that it doesnt directly impact your rank, other factors are much more important
Of course time spent on any given activity will (or should) improve a persons ability to do the task at hand, but everyone has a natural limit where their skill at a given task stops improving. As you also point out, other factor play a part in this game as well, but I just couldn't be bothered noting that point to someone who is clearly obtuse like Doby.
: Playing since season 3 and is still Gold, yikes. 1. Zoe has a 48.81% win rate, just because she can one shot you because you can't dodge skill shots or you can't counter pick her does not mean she is a badly designed champion. 2. If Yasuo and YI are so braindead easy why doesn't everyone just play them from Bronze to Challenger? Oh right they don't because in higher elo you will realise that people have an actual brain and can counter Yasuo and Yi's weaknesses 3. Every champion in the game is balanced. The game has a Rock, Paper, Scissors design which means that everything has counters, the fact is that you are complete garbage at the game and have not moved in rank for 6 years, and I am sure it's riot's design team that has put you in gold every season and has put people in challenger who have only played 2 to 3 years.
Claiming there is a correlation between time played and rank makes you look increadibly intelligent.
: What an utter load of nonsense. In league, the only luck are crit, Zoe's W, and the dragons that spawn in the game. Nothing else. Not even your shitty teammates factor in to luck. Everything evens out with the number of games you play.
You talk about nonsense and then use Riots and their minions argument without understanding it:) What number of games is the magic number where everything evens out?
: I think im done with ranked this season
Any person not a complete fanboy or totally naive knew the season 9 changes wouldn't improve matching, because the changes literally have no bearing on the merits (or rather lack of) which govern matching in this game. If Riot wanted to fix the wonky match making of this game, they would have changed it from team-wide / lane mmr, to individual stat matching to ensure you didn't experience scenario's like you describe. Why?- because mmr is about as flawed as it can get, and it can be manipulated easily through duo-que, individual stats can not however.
Brokenhz (EUW)
: Thats why League from s8 was horrible.Its more about Champions or luck. Skills dont have that impact anymore.You can win games from champ select.Its sad but its s9 but its just Worst.With evry season League is falling apart. I Give League 2 more years after that i believe its over.If this doesnt change..Luck just have more impact.Get lucky win game.
It's literally been the same way since season 3 onwards:) Season 3 > 7, you either banned or picked a handful of R ftw champions or you hoped the enemy team would spend their time chasing around the map losing the game that way, or you flat out lost. Season 8 the damage was outright %%%%%%ed on a few champions with zero counterplay options, and I am sure season 9 wont be different, the thing that all seasons have in common though, is a flat out broken match making system that has nothing to do with a players individual performance!
: Riot's banning system is interesting.
As with everything else Riot does in this game, it's RnG based. I've just had my first suspension which was an instant 14 day time-out for using the word fgot (spelled normally) in a heated game, my logs was that game + 1 log with nothing but positive remarks as I am usually able to withstand the classic chat war. This one word was taken out of context in a sentence, the sentence itself wasn't die hard abusive but mildly negative except for that one word. Just like you OP, I've encountered players saying things in the same manor as you without them getting any punishment:) Honestly, the biggest mistake Riot does is banning accounts for using chat despite being verbally abusive etc, it just leads to more toxicity since people will care less and less once losing money and effort, but try explaining that to a company that purely has a ban system in order to max re-sale.
: This has very little to do with Riot. First of all moderation is not done by Riot so they are not involved in this at all, and secondly, this moderation practice is based on youth protection laws. The fact that those do not necessarily make sense is not Riots fault either. The pictures Riot creates do not violate youth protection laws. Mature content does. If you want to know the difference, check the laws. Doesn't mean that those laws make a lot of sense, but they exist and need to be respected nevertheless.
Are you claiming that sexually explicit content isn't classified as mature content, ie, the designs of certain champions?
: > Okay, so first of all... where does it say that I cannot recommend adult games to other players? It doesn't. It does, however, explain why this rule even exists: Children. The line here is relatively clear: Youth protection laws. They are different in many countries, but they are important and it's a good practice to stay on the safe side and be very strict about this. Yes, you didn't link mature games. But you advertised them. The difference is minimal and the result is similar to links: Children might stumble over things they are not ready for yet. Especially not legally. There is a very important detail about your suspension: It's just 24 hours. Usually, it's much more, quite often an immediate perma. So the moderator was obviously well aware that you probably didn't have anything nasty in mind and reduced the punishment accordingly.
I would have to "side" with OP on this one, the main reason being that several of your own champions (Riots that is) are designed in a highly sensual / sexual nature, one of the things the universal rules say isn't permitted on the boards (but it is okay in the game apparently). It does not surprise me though with the hypocracy from Riot.
: Let the Games Begin Mission
You didn't really expect Riot to have it enabled during LEC did you? Riot will enable this mission to complete when LEC is near the end, otherwise they lose to many viewers.

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