Eambo (EUW)
: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=46513660 Unfortunately your version of OSX is not supported - it was updated last year for security reasons I'm afraid.
That make's alot of sense, Alot of the posts I read was from January, thats when the New mac OS was introduced. Spent hours trying to figure out whats wrong, filed me with rage... Thank you for your help.
Eambo (EUW)
: Hi Lamperouge, What version of OSX are you running?
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: Dividing the community into two is the worst thing any game developer could do...
Melcalaniye (EUNE)
: Not a good analogy... The UFC Fighter still has to respect some rules. Like, no poking the eyes of the opponent, no biting, no intentional hits to the groin and a few others. You think that if a fighter bites or pokes the eyes of his opponent during the fight in order to win, that after the fight those two will be all hugs and "sportsmanlike"? Not even close, many fighters don't even talk to eachother after accidental incidents, not to mention intentional ones. Likewise, in LoL, what the game needs of you is to play the game. "Flaming, trolling, leaving etc" are available to you but they are outside the "sportsmanlike" line. You can practice them but don't expect to leave with friends on that match...! ;)
This is completely off topic, but remember that time (a while ago) pro teams were caught cheating staring at each others screens? On camera/ in tournament.
LuLippy (EUW)
: You don't need to pay to make the game better, you just need to minimize the amount of smurfs people can make. There are ways of doing this without charging subscriptions.
You Don't Need to, But I'm Willing to. To eliminate the smurf account creation / possible IP bans on a person is INCREDIBILITY hard/ in depth to purpose.
Jonxx (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0Bm4zZYn,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2015-02-24T09:26:02.737+0000) > > A report without effect. You can't get punished for it. Although i agree that muting everyone by default is still not a good idea. It's a team game after all and you should only mute poeple if they disturb the game. Personally i prefer to mute people just in my head, i rarely use the mute button at all. I know what you mean, I dislike muting all too. But keep in mind ping are enough most of the time to communicate. You don't need to socialize with random players you will (most likely) never meet again. The thing is when I started to mute I noticed the game to be a lot more enjoyable. Besides even if you mute someone after he starts flame the bad taste remains for rest of the game. Unfortunately, the community in this game needs to grow up a lot to the chat function.
But in an Ideal world, Wouldn't it be Great If all the grown ups is in a separate server?
Jonxx (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lamperouge,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0Bm4zZYn,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2015-02-24T09:20:30.448+0000) > > Thing is, Ignoring all players at the start of each game is not Sportman's like, you dont see professional team players goes into a random huff and doesn't talk to his own team mates at the start of the game, because he's afraid that he might get abused/ shouted at. > > Ignoring/ muting everyone falls into the category of refusing to communicate with team, on league of Legend report list. If you'd read more topics on forum first, you'd know that refuse to communicate is a dummy report. You can't get banned for that. Just like unskilled report. Also, you gave argument of pro players. First of all pro players mostly play in 5v5 team games. Second when they play soloq there are in challenger where there's barely any flame because people aren't stupid enough to waste time on that. And keep in mind pings are enough for communicating with your team in most cases.
I know Refusing to communicate is a Dummy report, However it is STILL a report after all, THUS it is not a behavior that should be encouraged. And When Challenger players Play games, There's barely an Flame, That's good, Infact what you are posting about is reinforcing my point, Dummy Reports should be followed upon on, And flaming should be eliminated.
: Joke is on you, i like playing with ragers and flamers, they usually have skill, a bad game(atm, that's why they flame) and take the game seriously trying to win. (in my Elo at least) you could also say: i rather have a serious m8 who tries to win the game than a funny m8 who only tries to "have fun", that's something casuals do.
I Didn't dislike your post, Lol I infact giggled a little bit, But I can't help myself but ask, What is your ELO Rating?
: There is a specific reason why subscription games do not have as much toxicity as LoL: They are no MOBAs. I am currently writing my bachelor thesis about this exact topic. There are reasons why MOBAs have such a big problem with behavior compared to other games, despite the huge efforts to fight this problem. The main reason is that mobas are extremely team based. No other genre makes it so easy to blame negative events on other people. It's not the only reason, but if i would list all the reasons here i basically would write my thesis again and this post would be 70 pages long. > Ask a banned League of legend player, What they would do If they were perma banned, "I'll create a new account, It's Free" something along there lines will be said. This is the reason why Riot chose to get away from bans and uses restrictions now. You can't just get rid of those by waiting or changeing the account for a while (like you can do with temporary bans), you have to experience the whole amount of punishment while improving your behavior...otherwise you will never get rid of the restriction. Doesn't work on everybody of course, but it has proven to be quite effective, although it lacks one of the most important factors of punishment: contiguity/ information about the reason for the punishment. So Riot is trying hard to get rid of the possibility to have no consequences and they are getting better at it. They never will be able solve the problem completely (after all, there are psychopaths who can not be reformed), but i am confident that Riot is chosing the right way here.
Isn't it Ironic, Whereby UFC fighters shakes hand, and can still be friends at the end of the match? for a Living they make a Art out of beating the crap out of each other, and they can still be "Sportsman's like" at the end of it, and There's Video games, where people play on Keyboards and mouses / mice/ Controllers where they hate each other's guts, slingshotting which ever abuse they can muster?
Celebloth (EUNE)
: That is why Riot doesn't want to ban people, because they know this is not the answer to the question. That is why Riot wants to reform the players, to guide them to be better. There are 2 videos you should watch, Lyte is talking in them (one is from 2013 and the other from 2014) he is explaining many things there regarding how they want to shape the player's behaviour. I know they are "older" stuff, but still shows what they intend to do at Player's Behavioral Team. Search for these 2: GDC Vault - The Science Behind Shaping Player Behavior GDC Vault - Enhancing Sportsmanship in Online Games
I think I've seen the 2013 one a looong while back~ or something similar, However What I'm purposing is stricter rules, In retrospect of Professional sports league alike. I Don't Really Want to Fixate on the whole issue of being BANNED, There are Other types of punishments, and they'll be more closely followed.
: A report without effect. You can't get punished for it. Although i agree that muting everyone by default is still not a good idea. It's a team game after all and you should only mute poeple if they disturb the game. Personally i prefer to mute people just in my head, i rarely use the mute button at all.
I remember quite a long time ago, i had a game in summoners rift, where there were 5 total strangers including myself, We were a talkative bunch, even though we were losing we helped each other out, and laughed things off when things went wrong, we understood, we didn't blame, even the enemy team were having a laugh, as we spoke about game mechanics etc~ and gave credit when due. We had a losing game, but we turned it around~ and there was nobody bitter about anything. It is this type of gaming experience I'm seeking for again~ I had this game **2-3 years ago,** and I still remember it fondly~ but it is rare, and it Doesn't happen often. I want this, more often.
: Many people already invest thousands of euros in their accounts and still get permabanned. You make a mistake many people make: You think the harshness of the consequences correlates with the effectiveness of the punishment. It would be really cool if that would be true, you could just tune up every punishment until everybody behaves. But sadly this is not how humans work. The effectiveness of punishments relies on several factors and harshness isn't really one of them. A good punishment is... * ...fair. This means it should be noticable, but not harsh. There are actually studies that proof that a punishments are more effective the softer they are. * ...reliable. This means you always get a punishments for your misbehavior and not only sometimes. This is a factor Riot clearly has to work on. * ...contiguous. This means there has to be a clear and understandable connection between punishment and misbehavior. The person needs to know WHY he was punished * ...connected with information about better behavior alternatives. So if you punish a person for bad behavior you should always tell him how he should behave instead. * ...coming from a person/institution that is a positive authority for the punished person. If people get punished by someone they don't accept as a authority or they don't like, the punishment doesn't work. People dont change their behavior positively, they react with defiance and anger (a phenomenon often seen between teachers and pupils if there is a bad class climate) These are the important factors for punishments. All this is well researched (mainly because shaping human behavior is a science that was always interesting for mankind), you can read this up in any psychology book. There are (literally) thousands of studies confirming this. And as you can see, the harshness of the punishment is not one of the important factors. The big mistake you make is that you assume a homo oeconomicus, a person who always does what's in his best interest. A homo oeconomicus thinks about his behavior and the consequences and if the consequences are really bad (like in your case: losing a lot of money) he doesn't do that. But the homo oeconomicus doesn't exist, humans don't act this way. A flame/troll flames/trolls because he is emotional, because he is frustrated, because he is angry...not because he thought about it and decided "Hey, today I am going to flame because the possible consequences are acceptable for me". People who are emotional don't care about consequences, they don't even think about it. And thats the main reason why paying money for LoL would not have a big effect on player behavior.
I'm no expect on punishments,and physiology yes, However These is a few things I want to point out. 1 This payment of a NEW server, Every player Will have to start NEW, thus players previous investment's in there old account's would not be harmed. The New Server That they Have purchased content on, They Players will know what they are getting themselves into, Like They know, if they screw up they will be banned/ Punished. This will eliminate the hoo ray of, "Oh I bought this agies ago, I didn't know this could happen" etc etc. Wherby players who buy into the NEW servers are warned. 2 I must state again, I'm not Expert on Physiology. Yes People who are emotional, Typically because they are in rage/ anger/ spite of the moment do NOT know of there possible consequences, from there actions, - In real life If you go to Court and present yourself to the Jury, because you were "emotional" you killed someone you are going to have a bad time, In jail. What I'm trying represent is that, The anonymity of the internet is no longer free of any physical consequences, Ask a banned League of legend player, What they would do If they were perma banned, "I'll create a new account, It's Free" something along there lines will be said. 3 For God's sake's We play games to have fun, not shouting at each other, Games is a leisure its not work, I don't need to take your crap/ Abuse. (Not from you but a General concept to all games/ All players) **Quality post though, I admire your efforts.** Edit; 4 We are Opt'ing in, to pay more to get this type of service, It may One day punish me, if I do wrong, However what I wish is for a friendlier, more sportman's ship like behavior, adding a small fee would greatly gate players due to financial stability, and maturity, (This is not a End All of it be all type of solution) However subscription player based games, Tend to have slightly... More mature players. (I play, A LOT of games, and Have Very little life)
Jonxx (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wynillo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0Bm4zZYn,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-02-24T08:46:51.408+0000) > > 50 Bucks per day for not having an "EZ" at the end of a 40 min game with 1 afk. > Or the random dude spamming "GG WELL DONE IDIOT" after someone giving first blood. > Or the other random dude spamming pings on the adc whenever he can, because he wanted to go adc. > Or the other random dude...... > Tribunal... i miss you dude...... so much better with you /ignore all on begining of the match solves all your problems, except afk, but keep in mind enemies have afks too sometimes.
Thing is, Ignoring all players at the start of each game is not Sportman's like, you dont see professional sports (football) team players goes into a random huff and doesn't talk to his own team mates at the start of the game, because he's afraid that he might get abused/ shouted at. Ignoring/ muting everyone falls into the category of refusing to communicate with team, on league of Legend report list. Edit missed sports (football)
Celebloth (EUNE)
: You forget one thing, not everyone who is behaving properly can afford it. Secondly, many who could afford it won't bother, account ban?-> I will make another one, because I don't care, I have the money, just to troll.
It depends, After the 2-10th account, its 100 pounds, it may not be a large sum of money~ but money is money, for example, Will you burn your wallet filled with cash, just because you wanted to, Rich or poor~ Like I said, its optional, you don't have to if you don't want to~ How many players Do you think leave Moba type games because of player toxicity?
Jonxx (EUNE)
: If it means no trolls, no flame then maybe, however 10 pounds might be a bit too much.
The thing is, how much it cost has little significance, As long as there is real money transaction bound by it, People Will not happily burn/ ban their accounts without opening a new account without consequences
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