: > Heh, thought the weakest one. For realise W u need another control before it. And ,hm, in which case? This just 25% slow with a potential pulling back. Some compare: Yorick build walls with 3 hp, Darius just pulling target to him, voli like singed, singed like voli (throw through the back sounds a lot stronger than atrox stuff), irelia have mass stun e.t.c. In my opinion all this quite more than just 25% Firstly it’s ranged displacement, this means that instead of champions like voli where he has to actually get into melee range first aatrox can get people from range or Darius with a pathetically small pull range Secondly it’s displacement, this makes it stronger than things like yorick wall or irelia stun, you can force people back into your team. Thirdly it’s not hard to proc the pull, without mobility you can walk out of it by going directly backwards due to the slow so you have to go forwards or to the sides... if your running from him or his team you can’t always afford to go the quick way meaning theres a good chance you will be pulled back. > Its just 30% on max level vs champs only. Ofc, with ult this more interesting, but in fact its just 30%. All fighters have sustain. Aatrox has A BIT more than all if it will have a BEST realization ever and it really hard. 3 q's=6 aa jax=1 q darius(15% of missing health for one target, btw)=5 q's irelia=full procast from vlad=one punch maokai, im talking about equal time and equal heal. Also, when sustain is a main thing in char Vladimir seems more like this. He s not bruiser but toper and we talking about unique thing to all champions. And maokai/fiora not worth to forget in this Yes it’s only 30% per champions but this isn’t reduced for AoE like all other spell vamp... there’s a reason deaths dance reduces healing for AoE and aatrox shows it well... so as you spam Q in fights you get a ton of healing. Then you factor in conquerer and deaths dance giving him even more spell vamp Then you factor in his ult, which buffs his healing by up to 70% which includes everything I just mentioned. So yeah he has the best healing of his class... 70% healing buffs, unrestricted AoE spell vamp, and a build with at least 2 other healing sources... that’s massive > just not. 1 skill and ult. he cant escape ganks or chase Firstly he can escape ganks if you dodge the right skill. Secondly he’s a juggernaut... the most immobile clsss in the game... there are only 3 juggernauts with a free targeted dash... of which shyv is an ult and urgot has a big wind up... low cooldown free targeted dash, that might not be much but it still makes him the most mobile on of his class. > AND most funny thing that i forgot - aatrox not juggernaut. He s fighter like jax, ire, fiora, riven. Even riot said this in 9.9.juggernaut is illaoi ,darius, urgot ,yorick, garen, nasus and like this https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Champion_classes/Fighter Nope he’s a juggernaut... also jax, fiora, and riven aren’t fighters they are skirmishers. A quote from his reveal > Allies who shield and sustain him for more swings of The Darkin Blade will be rewarded with a frontline juggernaut who can take as much damage as he deals Also riot never said anything about his class in 9.9... what they said was they wanted to push him into a drain tank role rather than a dive one shot one... firstly drain tanks aren’t anything to do with the classes, and secondly most drain tanks are juggernauts... so if your gonna interpret that as anything it’s him being pushed more towards juggernaut
Subjective discussion. On one thing we look different. Control best when has fastcast and long stun. Aatrox has skill which cant be realised by itself coz 25% slow and 1.5 sec decoy for just pulling back. And this best tool? Okay, maybe darius E works on lower range but it works through minion, pulling champion to him and fastcast. Also im so tired to endless compare but how it not obvious yourick build a wall with 3 hp many champs cant DASH this and it requires 3 AA'S to escape(!!). About voli, lol, his q also charges him and ye he must be in melee but his ms for help to complete this condition near 550+ atm. Lets get back to aatrox's w. On lane it works but in chaotic teamfight ultrarare. U dont need even dash, just normal ms and all knows that escapes pretty ez when u move left or right not up. About vamp. Old aatrox had attackspeed builds with damage he was able just press ult and go frontline and no matter what he have not high HP, heal starts fast coz it goes from aa's and second life will fix burst of enemies. For now aatrox must go like cami after someone engaged and start q's distracted adc. He can frontline in normal tf where all has equal number items only if, dunno, in start fight 3 rofl-people got catch by first q in edge About E i wont even talk. Dunno ganks which can be dodged by 3 mm from 5 sec cd skill. On champion spotlight said what its not enough. Lol link. At first its fan site and it can be untrue. At second riven and irelia, for example, in different categories lol what? Rofl with number of categories. Ye, in 9.9 they didnt say about his class. They said patch makes him a "more bruisery" and "drain-tanky PLAYSTYLE". nowhere said his jugger. And if think his skillset pretty close to Riven. A lil dash, a lil control, 3 casting q and ult which makes stronger difference in heal what he have but this description similar to just warrior. "no, coz he have selfheal he juger". As was said, all bruisers have heal. Maybe he something between this classes and cant be exactly one thing. Also, for remind. main sense of text is what for i should pick him? All have something special unique mechanics and skills. For now aatrox HAS NOT unique mechanics, strategies,playstyles and skills
: > Btw, this pluses(instead outhealing) can be said about near all bruisers True but he tends to do it better than them so that’s his plus... he can bully nearly all bruisers early game, that puts him in a good spot on its own > Anyway main sense of text is what for i should pick him? All have something special unique mechanics and skills. Yorick splitpush tools and unique ult. Quinn permaroaming. Wu hard engage and deceit. Trynd crazy outheal and ult(very similar to aatrox but atleast have immortal stuff). Urgot has mechanic with legs and other other other. Aatrox had unique thing too. Rebirth. But now its Olaf ult without invulnerabity to control. Aatrox has a pseudo pull. His W is easily the strongest pick tool of his class, especially when combined with his Q to keep them in the area. So alrwady that’s something unique. He’s also got the best healing in the class... not only does he have a self heal on passive and the healing increase in his R but he’s also got omnivamp through his E which isn’t reduced for AoE damage... in a teamfight he can’t be outhealed. Another thing is his mobility... He’s got a low cooldown dash and a good movement speed boost on ult, which makes him one of if not the most mobile juggernaut in the game... > Also, his teamfights not cool coz high risk with not really suitable reward. Actually it’s among the best in the class (best juggernaut, and up there for the other fighters as well). Like I said he’s got omnivamp that isn’t reduced for AoE which means if your hitting your abilities you will heal a ton especially with ult. he can also kill pretty easily if he gets on people > Tbh, im not really asking, just some attention from riot to this champion will be nice Aatrox is considered one of the strongest top laners at the moment... if he gets attention from Riot it’s in the form of nerfs (which he will be receiving soon).
* His W is easily the strongest pick tool of his class Heh, thought the weakest one. For realise W u need another control before it. And ,hm, in which case? This just 25% slow with a potential pulling back. Some compare: Yorick build walls with 3 hp, Darius just pulling target to him, voli like singed, singed like voli (throw through the back sounds a lot stronger than atrox stuff), irelia have mass stun e.t.c. In my opinion all this quite more than just 25% * He’s also got the best healing in the class Its just 30% on max level vs champs only. Ofc, with ult this more interesting, but in fact its just 30%. All fighters have sustain. Aatrox has A BIT more than all if it will have a BEST realization ever and it really hard. 3 q's=6 aa jax=1 q darius(15% of missing health for one target, btw)=5 q's irelia=full procast from vlad=one punch maokai, im talking about equal time and equal heal. Also, when sustain is a main thing in char Vladimir seems more like this. He s not bruiser but toper and we talking about unique thing to all champions. And maokai/fiora not worth to forget in this * Mobility just not. 1 skill and ult. he cant escape ganks or chase AND most funny thing that i forgot - aatrox not juggernaut. He s fighter like jax, ire, fiora, riven. Even riot said this in 9.9.juggernaut is illaoi ,darius, urgot ,yorick, garen, nasus and like this * Strongest toplaner On lane - probably
: > [{quoted}](name=LightningOwl,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=nxoZQzxn,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-08-24T09:33:09.184+0000) > > Ye, he has very strong lane phase its obvious. Btw, this pluses(instead outhealing) can be said about near all bruisers. Anyway main sense of text is what for i should pick him? All have something special unique mechanics and skills. Yorick splitpush tools and unique ult. Quinn permaroaming. Wu hard engage and deceit. Trynd crazy outheal and ult(very similar to aatrox but atleast have immortal stuff). Urgot has mechanic with legs and other other other. Aatrox had unique thing too. Rebirth. But now its Olaf ult without invulnerabity to control. Also, his teamfights not cool coz high risk with not really suitable reward. > Tbh, im not really asking, just some attention from riot to this champion will be nice Aatrox is good and didn't need his revive to be effective, it only made him overloaded. Now you just have to get in the fights at the right time to wreak havoc.
Okay, maybe im totally not right about teamfights/damage/effective. But what Aatrox lost his uniqueness its true
: He’s got very high burst if combod right He’s got amazing pick potential It’s impossible to channel vs him Very potent lane bully Can outheal almost anyone if not everyone Great 2v1 as well That’s mainly it... he’s a juggernaut so he does the same stuff the other ones do as well. And yeah it’s difficult to pull him off but he pretty much out damages most top laners early to mid game if you do and late game he can do a lot of damage. And his healing can be realised at level 6, combine it with his E and conquerer and you can outheal any top laner.
Ye, he has very strong lane phase its obvious. Btw, this pluses(instead outhealing) can be said about near all bruisers. Anyway main sense of text is what for i should pick him? All have something special unique mechanics and skills. Yorick splitpush tools and unique ult. Quinn permaroaming. Wu hard engage and deceit. Trynd crazy outheal and ult(very similar to aatrox but atleast have immortal stuff). Urgot has mechanic with legs and other other other. Aatrox had unique thing too. Rebirth. But now its Olaf ult without invulnerabity to control. Also, his teamfights not cool coz high risk with not really suitable reward. Tbh, im not really asking, just some attention from riot to this champion will be nice
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