Rioter Comments
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: It is a struggle for a reason. And there is no real solution. Ppl will go against it. It is better than " what can you play, first pick mid last support" as it was.
Sometimes the best solution is no solution, just leave things how they are. Disabling autofill at least for queue under Plat seems very reasonnable.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Last season, I pretty much only played support to get season rewards from every queue. Overall win rate: 73,8%. So yeah, I think support is a viable way to play.
Last season is quite different. Doesn't mean much.
: I'm afraid to pick supports like Janna, Lulu, Nami etc. anymore. Also I prefer more independend one since adc role is pretty weak right now. I would suggest either tanks or ap supports (like Brand).
The good answer is no. Brand is not a support, nor is malphite or zyra. Those are just good because they have aoe and cc but they have 0 skill to support. No heal, no shield nor utility skill. Riot doesn't even know what a support should be, that tells a lot.
Daishar (EUW)
: My main role is not support but I like playing it. It's fun and less stressful in my opinion and often you can have a big impact on the game.
It's only less stressful when you can just stay back and get carried. Which are 0.5% of my games.
Shiome (EUW)
: Sure it is :) Watch the animation or listen for the sounds Or go out of your way to ward some points of interest / choke points pre fights For the ADC problem is something you'll notice less and less the more you climb as they tend to grow a brain ^^ slowly.. very very slowly
Well, I've seen gold getting grabed as easily as silver, and I don't think I will go past gold, nor I'm interested to.
: so champs like xerath, illaoi, lux, syndra, karthus, ... are fine. especially karthus since laning vs him literally is a dodgefest. The problem already begins with picking morgana... AS A SUPPORT. The problem is that you have nothing at all to make black shield on her viable, the cooldown is way too big, and you're just horribly stupid to max it out first. The ONLY champ that makes morgana support viable would be jinx, maxing pool just gives you a rediculous amount of waveclear. And since you're pretty much describing the average bronze 5 (soon to be iron) game, have fun mining elo i'd say.
Karthus doesn't kill you on a Q. Being obnoxious and flaming on rank won't get you anywhere kid. If I get matched with and adc that knows how to dodge I usually have little problems. I play regularly with golds and above.
: Unbanning Old Accounts
I've talked about moving from permaban to long time ban, months or year. I find it more intelligent than just stealing money. season ban is already a very painful ban if you are attached to your account and want to get seasons reward. Permaban is a bit too NAZI and ungrateful.
Talk Dirty (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lleajy,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=cxcfdeoi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-08T22:24:34.516+0000) > > Doom bots and old URF are still the only decent modes. > > Press R aoe champs are ridiculously strong in the mode, I don't see the fun. doom bots .. well i feel like playing dodge ball there and that old urf ... well it's gone for good .. " for the good of the game " and what do you mean by having fun in doom bots .. rely how can you call that fun ... man hmmm well that is your way of having fun !!
I don't care about winning, I care about the gameplay. I don't know why I should stick to ranked because I don't like having to pick the VERY SAME CHAMPS THAT WINS IN RANKED. But yeah the mode is BS, doesn't come anywhere near the fun I had with modes in w3 and I won't play it even if they start gift skin to get players on it.
: 1V9 ESCAPE ROOM / Sytrox / LF Diamond Duo
I recommend [DISCORD] for that.
: Server with most players... And another thing is diferent languages I think. It's easier to code something for NA server when there are only 3 countries in that server... I may be wrong tho
Hum, different languages shouldn't be able to produces these bug, but it's Riot we are talking about, who knows which horrors lies in the depth of their codes.
Talk Dirty (EUNE)
: keep this game mode up all the time
Doom bots and old URF are still the only decent modes. Press R aoe champs are ridiculously strong in the mode, I don't see the fun.
Shiome (EUW)
: You have to think about what they actually do. IF the hook doesn't land that's pretty much them useless for a good 10+ seconds where you are free to harrass or engage as you please. Especially for a Blitz who also chunks down his mana for it. If you think it's OP or you're tired of random ADC's getting pulled in, just add Morgana to your pool and watch the lane turn dead for a good 15min until teamfights starts to happen
I know how to dodge hooks, I do it pretty well unless I'm tired. I do play morg, but you can't perma shield the adc, and you can't always predict hooks from a wall or a bush. Also I don't have the best reflex in the world, I can manage when I have control of the situation, but if my adc suddenly do something extremely stupid, I might miss the shield. It's partly my fault, but my reflexes are not something I can work much on.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: ***
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: It is true, however nobody is here for you to esablish an easy climb.
That's something that is normal in every game but League, that's a ridiculous comment you wrote there. "You expect something normal and logic, however nobody is here for you to establish an easy climb" That's some huge level of hypocrisy or white knighting, or both. You think I'm going to accept random stupid feature because it would be "easier" otherwise ? WTF. Especially since I'm not saying that for myself since I'm a main supp and get my lane 99.9% of the time. I just don't want to supp some autofilled adc. It's horrible.
Shiome (EUW)
: Who are we talking? Pyke? Blitz? Thresh? Just nuke them and dodge their hooks. Thresh is pretty squishy himself in the very early game
Yeah, but it always start by dodging their hooks, I can dodge a lot of hook but I can't save my adc from that. I'm tired of auto-lose lanes because my adc pushes against them all the time, I'd say 90% of the one i get don't understand how to manage waves. Also hooks are so stupidly easy to use in teamfight. You lose the "skill" part of it, the cd isn't even high in late game. I don't understand the concept of pyke, this champ is broken if you don't have a monkey behind the keyboard. Anyway, they need one normal skill to kill any squishy, while I have to dodge and poke them for 5mn. Doesn't seem very fair. I think they should at least nerf the range, They don't really take much risk currently, you can win your lane against thresh but they still can return a game with a wild lucky Q. SPAM QQQQQQQQQQ.
Rioter Comments
Flamé0n (EUW)
: So inting is fine and flaming someone who loses me my ranked game is not?
Riot will never change its policy, you just wasted few minutes on this post. Don't say anything in the chat that could be indirectly interpreted as flame, that's it. Riot has been developing this game for the new gens that can't stand being roasted for the shit they do in game. I had one adc that went ballistic because I said "Here we go, adc solo" after he went solo in the enemy jungle at like ~30mn and got very predictably killed for that.
TheLynxMan (EUNE)
: It is optimal. Just be diverse. If you are not, do not expect anything.
It's not realistic, everyone will say that concentrating on one lane and few champs is the best way to go up.
Wadafaaak (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Lleajy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=50qxKbge,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-12-06T19:40:32.475+0000) > > I don't remember having 30+ min queues before the autofill. > > I recognize it might be a problem in higher tier, but I'm in silver, autofill makes no sense since it's a bloated elo. > > Why not make the autofill optional, so YOU don't have to sit 30mn, and I get my position. No ? Just pick it in your lane selection. Before autofill you couldnt even select your lane. It was whoever typed their role first gets it.
You are sure autofill was implemented at the same time ? I must say my memory is a bit fuzzy on this one.
Rioter Comments
Evuskis (EUNE)
: Orange Essence
I think they should allow us to get a chest from time to time with the same champ and increasing a bit the orange's amount. It's discouraging for people that play few champs like me. It's hard to go up if you keep playing all the champ.
: Advice to help with game breaking updates
I was expecting something akin to : **TEST YOUR %%%%ING UPDATE!!!**
: > [{quoted}](name=Lleajy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=YipjpgtE,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-12-06T19:57:53.517+0000) > > TOS can be rotten. And it is. You are the type to accept every mistreatment as long as it's allowed legally ? I'm not talking about things that are legal, I'm talking about fairness. > > Even state laws can be wrong. law != morally right. You can not expect everything to be fair, that's not how the world works. Look at third world countries etc. Nothing in this world is morally correct, or how could it be that there's people that have better lives than others?
How to get dictatorship 1.0. We should always expect fairness and fight for it. Also third world being shitholes doesn't justify 1st ones to become the same.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lleajy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=YipjpgtE,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-06T19:51:31.158+0000) > > And honestly perma ban is not really a fair treatment, it should be a month(s)/ year(s) ban. If you put money on this game, you deserve to keep it. > > Eventually get a refund of your money THEN permaban. Wrong. Read the Terms of Service. You do not own the account, the Accounts are owned by Riot Games. By Playing the Game you agree to the Terms of Service. They do not have to refund you. If your account is terminated, you’ll no longer have access to it, including any of the associated data or content (e.g., champions, skins, Riot Points, etc.). You’ll not be entitled to any refunds and we’ll have no liability to you. We also reserve the right to terminate any other accounts you may have created, as well as your access to any other Riot Services (also without any refunds or liability to you). You understand and agree that using the Riot Services comes with the risk that your account may be terminated or suspended and that, whenever you use the Riot Services, you’ll bear this risk in mind and always conduct yourself appropriately.
TOS can be rotten. And it is. You are the type to accept every mistreatment as long as it's allowed legally ? I'm not talking about things that are legal, I'm talking about fairness. Even state laws can be wrong. Law != morally right. I don't intend to be perma banned, so I don't really care myself. But if you ask me fair or not fair. I say not fair. Speaking of law, States should protect people from abusive TOS. Especially when they change the TOS and they have already your money. It's called a scam.
: Graves cant have a cigar but riot games can have indie devs :)
Being an indie dev doesn't mean you are bad at developing. I'm more worried about the leaders, why would you keep a team that %%%% on every single patches ? Time to hire some people that knows how to run a test.
: Flaming
And honestly perma ban is not really a fair treatment, it should be a month(s)/ year(s) ban. If you put money on this game, you deserve to keep it. Eventually get a refund of your money THEN permaban.
Asher2406 (EUW)
: And I don't queue for X to just sit for 15-20+ minutes like idiot and wait to just get into a game.
Then select autofill in your lane and get your quick game. Just don't force it on everyone by default.
Iconic (EUW)
: Yes but the guy is silver. So can't really use that argument. Also people need to learn to adapt. As an ADC main it's so damn frustrating when I get an Autofilled Support who refuses to actually play the role correctly and instead trolls, or thinks they are the carry and takes all my CS.
People will never learn to adapt. Instead of trying to change what is not changeable, just make autofill optional.
Drashier (EUW)
: this is most ppl rather not sit in que for 30+ min
I don't remember having 30+ min queues before the autofill. I recognize it might be a problem in higher tier, but I'm in silver, autofill makes no sense since it's a bloated elo. Why not make the autofill optional, so YOU don't have to sit 30mn, and I get my position. No ? Just pick it in your lane selection.
Rioter Comments
Zariax (EUW)
Stuck currently, they really are unable to patch without breaking stuff. Do they even test their code ?
Mada (EUW)
: Can you make the "Grievous wounds" items glowing red in the shop when healing is a problem?
I think we need a shop that can play for us too... {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Item pick has always been part of the game.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Every real support main knows {{item:2055}} s are just a delay to the eventual {{item:3089}} :P
Until you realize your jungler doesn't give a %%%% about bot, that you are forced under tower, and that the enemy jungle just get rid of your reds as quick as your placed them. :s. reds are more often an un-warding tool and a temporary anti-warding tool than a vision one in bot. A red that has a long life means that no one tried to come anyway. It's one time thing.
: New way to see if the other team has an afk?
Yraco (EUW)
: I half agree with this idea. It's painful when someone leaves the game and you are forced to fight a, usually hopeless, 4v5 game but on the other hand there are players that get random disconnects that would lose lp. (doesn't happen to me often any more but a friend struggles with a disconnect or 2 a week)
if they took log of what the game actually does and why it disconnects, they could make the difference between intentionals and the bugs. You are guilty if your internet is just crap and you still play ranked. You are %%%%ing everyone knowingly. Riot is rich, I wonder why they don't pay actual developers to review the code and fix it once and for all...
Mádwife (EUW)
: AFK protection
Yes, x2 lp loss for afkers, and a guard for the others. If you are in promo you get loss forgiven, if you are not in promo, you lose half.
: > [{quoted}](name=Shanquil ,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=E5JNtfVs,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-30T23:19:57.148+0000) > > It isnt harassment to talk about whats happening in the game we are playing. But it's still not ok to be a jerk about it. > Its not harassment to tell people to stop overextending and dying the same exact way after they have done it 4-5 times already. But it doesn't actually help, and only serves to worsen team morale. > Its not harassment to ask why a teammate did what they did when it seems utterly illogical. But it's still not ok to word it as throwing shade on someone all because they didn't play up to your standard by doing the aforementioned "utterly illogical" thing. > Even if i was swearing and calling names that would only deserve a communication ban, but i dont even swear or call names anyway. I'm not going to doubt that's the case, but what do you mean by "communication ban"? If you're referring to "refusing to communicate", that was never bannable to begin with. > Riot have made it so you quite literally cannot talk in game without running a very high risk of being banned. Only if the majority of your communications have you behaving badly enough to reach that stage in the punishment ladder. Which implies that either: 1) You've enough of a past history with the punishment system to have already run into the chat restrictions beforehand, so you've had _plenty_ of warnings against what you were doing. Or... 2) uttered any of the zero-tolerance phrases and jumped straight to the stage of a ban. In which case, you've got bigger things to worry about, considering the kind of things that warrant _that_ treatment. > I get the notice of which games i got banned for and they dont contain anything even vaguely offensive. Its mind-blowingly sensitive. Is that so? Mind showing your chatlogs, then? I'll perhaps believe you when you claim they "don't contain anything vaguely offensive", and if that's true, you'll have no problems showing them at all. > Riot designed the game to promote reporting and bans over anything else. Says it all that you can report 9 people but only honor one. Toxic game. Reports only mean anything if the recipient of the report did anything wrong. If that wasn't the case, every single player would be punished by now regardless of innocence, given that frivolous reports have been a thing since the dawn of reporting in this game.
> But it doesn't actually help, and only serves to worsen team morale. Nobody mentally stable would be affected by a "stop overextend". Repeating the same mistake until your team lose is killing the moral of the other player, and that's the toxic issue in this case. People that are affected by a*****.
: tbh unflinching, keystones, font of life and revitalize are the only runes i see semiviable. still, i only use this tree in support role where I have to be agressive (Since my adc thinks it's safe to cs in enemy minion wave) and those runes become somewhat useful. Otherwise...yhea, I take domination healing even on tanks now xd and let's be honest it's not much you get out of that tree. resolve tree needs a huge look at. conditioning especially needs a buff, 5% is nothing. i dont mind it kicking in in 10 minutes if the buff would be 5-20% scaling on level. (tanks aren't meant to be good early anyway). Grasp is fine. Aftershock.... I think it is fine. Old overgrowth I actually liked, cause at times I could get as much as 10% or more health bonus thanks to constantly staying in lane. I was unable to damage but I couldn't be damaged too severely without an adc either. Problem is, overgrowth was quite useless on carries who were more focused on killing and dieing rather than farming, and even then it was not that much. at 6. 5 it would be broken again) minions it could have made the difference it needed to make without becoming op. Flat health on the defensive stat tree combined with overgrowth still gives far less than inspiration+resolve or resolve+inspiration gave, or resolve+offensive trees for that matter. They hit the offence spot on. They messed up defence a lot , mainly the HP part. also conditioning was nerfed because it was too strong(it used to give 10, then 8%. If it would have scaled per level, then the problem might have been solved.)
I was listing the runes for tanking as a support in early. Which are guardian and bone plating, and these are so easy to pop that you can't rely on it. I've never used unflinching, it's not really a good rune if you don't want to die from plain burst. It kills my neurons to play against these jhin DH. I still think the first version of the rune was better. It needed an update, not a removal.
Asher2406 (EUW)
: As a leona player, I'm perfectly fine with the current state of support tanks.
Well, you are good if you manage to do anything in soloQ with leona currently, she's quite garbage...
: Remember Astral Body? That quirk rune that everybody made jokes about at release, and that used to gave 100 health in exchange for -10% damage in the first 10 minute? RioT removed that, probably because it was too OP. And then they gutted Time Warp Tonic. That should be nuff said to understand the take of RioT about tanks and sustain.
Jhin current burst is insane, there's no tank that can handle his Q spamming combined with a champ like zyra or brand. You really have to brace yourself for 15mn and pray your adc won't go aggro when you can't outCC/tank the dmg they easily output in fight. Ofc I'm talking in a soloQ context.
Eve Jobs (EUW)
: I am not allowed to play Ashe (anymore)
I've played Ashe supp, slightly trolling, and she can have a very decent burst. It's a team utility adc, it always have been. The problem is more the recent additions that are broken.
: That's not how it works. There is so much demand for league that even Dominion (yes, that game mode) had it's own server, and that's why it was shutdown because of the lack of use. Every game mode has it's own server to decrease the amount of errors because of the demand. If you think, EUW has around 25 million players on it (according to some sources, over 100 million monthly players and 24.9% in EUW) so 1 server handing out multiple hosting multiple game modes would cause so many problems, there'd just be too many people on them.
It's not like the instances are talking between each other, it's basically mere cloud computing stuff. I really don't see the problem. Considering the amount of esoteric trash bug remaining in the game after so many years, I guess I can't expect much :o.
: all tanks are squishy unless they build sustain in runes.
I've tested every build possible around the tank tree, I'm not posting because I felt it was fun to, I meant what I said. Why do dmg dealer have plenty of runes that directly proc with their champs and that don't pop on a whim ? - grasp of the undying is a bruiser rune, not worth since it implies to get in lengthy trade to actually get the bonus enough. - Aftershock is not bad, but it's an aggressive rune, won't do much if you are pined down on the tower and getting poked the %%%% out. - font of life is not helping you to tank, demolish too. - Bone plating and guardian are just popping too easily to be that reliable, especially when your %%%%ing jungler can pop it when you leash. - Second wind gives you some sustain, but it's based on the health, which you don't get much of in early. It won't heal back much until you get a decent health pool - Conditioning takes 10mn to come in, that's not what I call an early rune. - Overgrowth is the same, it takes to much time to build, and doesn't even give much health, with the older runes i could get 3 x 1,5% health bonus, and it wasn't even that worthy at that time. - Revitalize is a healer/shielder rune. - Unflinching is not reducing dmg.
Hapiel (EUW)
: Do you want a UK server?
Let's give a server to every Western European countries !
: Leona hasn't been a great pick for some seasons now, it's nothing new.
She started dying with the nerf on the ult for me.
: Leona is team specific like rakan. If you engage and nobody follows its gg. Also, if you play with a defensive adc its over. The rest is poke, if the enemy pokes your adc below 50% health you cannot engage as well. However if you get the offensive adc (e.g. an aggressive jinx), you can win anything.
I've one rule with leona : - Don't play her in soloQ. TBH, the champ itself is really boring to play. I'd rather pick a nautilus, he does everything better and is more fun.
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Astis 3 (EUW)
: Hey, guys, don't want to create a new topic so i'll ask here, it's about too, more or less. So, if i'm checking champions on (or blitz for example), there are 3 counterpicks shown. Is there any place where i can find out information like "Why X champion is a counterpick to Y"? Like "why Nautilus is a counterpick for Xerath, and at the same time Vel'kos (whose supp style is similar to Xerath to me) is a counterpick for Nautilus", "why Anivia is a counterpick for mid Brand" e t.c.? ? It usually has advices on how to play against X.
: The problem with that idea is are there going to be enough people using that game mode to warrant another server hosting it? I, for one, would never use that queue since I like getting smashed when I'm learning a new champion in order for me to analyse my mistakes. I dare say a lot of people are like that too. So is there going to be enough people using it?
If things were developed correctly, you wouldn't have a specific server for a specific game mode. It's just X instance hosted instead of Y.
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