: A mod wishes for me to die
Do you even have to ask? :D It's obv. he is not working with riot
SenkaMeseca (EUNE)
: 2 weaks baned
I spent 350+ on this game over the years (comes down to 3-4 € a month, but still a lot), but it doesn't entitle me to not get banned or insult players who don't buy skins lol..
PorterdFnCn (EUNE)
: Elo hell does exist.
My advice: Play OP Champs who can actually carry games from behind. And you do have a pretty high death count in many of those games, not saying these were nessecarily winnable to your fault, just that you still got a lot to work on, so just learn what you can from those games, instead of hardtilting :D I know easier said then done lol, I'm low plat myself atm.
: holy shit you missed the point entairelly. My point is, why would you want to spend all this time to get good at a game like league. I believe the one who is sad here is you because you cant even asnwer this question properly. But honestly, dont even bother anymore. I realized that you are all children here. You cant even read a post properly my god. Half of you are complaining about how long my post is, and the rest dont bother reading more that a few words from my post and then comment irrelevant shit. No wonder why the league community is so toxic.. The average IQ here cannot be more than 85. You wrote "And last of all" in your second paragraph, you mentioned "chess" as a game that never changes but that has nothing to do with anything. You are telling me to put effort and get good while my whole argument is WHY i should put effort because its not worth the effort in the end... and lastly, you suggesting meditation, self "reclection" (lmao?)???? I wasnt even talking about myself there. My fking 9 year old nephew is able to hold a converstasion better than you guys %%%% me.
I was really only refering to the part, where you said you wanted to get elo go make your friends with that man. There is always 2 people who are part of a conversation, so if you try to convers and aren't able to do it with a single person, you might wanna search the mistake with yourself, because my IQ is about 130, at least that's what multiple tests told me over the years, so if your deduction about not being able to hold a proper conversation is that IQ is lacking, then you should really find out who the person lacking it is. 85 seems a bit harsh on yourself though mate, you should have some confidence ;) And if your 9 year old nephew is so smart, how about asking him why you should put effort into anything at all. I gave you some solid advice after spending way too much time reading your wall of text, which was 90% bullshit, so pls cut me some slack when i don't write a detailed essay adressing every single point. And if you don't want to be good at anything simply dont put any effort into anything, my advice to you was to find something that you consider worthy to put effort into it, which I would consider a pretty pretty good one for you.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: Lol. Why add me as a friend if you are going to insult me anyway?
They will just insult you if you accept, then delete you before you can answer. So just keep not adding them. Had many of those people on my smurf. Especially with the high toxicity on smurfs there were a lot of kids calling for reports, so when I called them out on their bullshit, and how they should focus on their gameplay this happened a bunch of time.
: Perma ban for no reason!!!!! PLEASE CHECK IT!
You should text the support, we can't check out anything..
PØØTIN (EUW)
: Sorry, I'm having a bad game
Doubt someone get's a 2 week ban for that alone lol.. Probably not even a chatban if it's only this 1 game.
NS6 Jason (EUW)
: Change punishments in league of legends
I think chatbans should be dished out much more often tbh. Reminds me not to answer to some toxic idiots and just mute them straight away.
: > [{quoted}](name=Lunnaris01,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yEUiwNeR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-01T13:49:19.132+0000) > > Do you understand, that most players in ranked play only a very limited amount of champions, or at least limit their play to certain positions, while they often play different champs in normals (e.g. to get a chest, or simply to play/learn other lanes/champs) > > Being plat in soloq when I only play tristana & Kaisa all day long won't suddenly make me a good darius player. And the other way around I won't suddenly be a good adc if I only play Udyr & Warwick Jungle in all my ranked games. > > I know many plat supports who can't cs for shit either. But I doubt you are playing only your best champs in normal games either. I'm not talking solely talking about how they play on the champion they pick.. I'm speaking on a much broader scale. Map awareness is not champion specific. Game sense and understanding how a match up is likely to play out is not champion specific. Vision control is not champion specific. These are all things I have been told that I need to improve on if I ever want to climb, yet I constantly see higher eleo players completely fail at these very basic things. And sure, you can be playing the champion to learn them/the role, but most people, I feel, would understand that learning requires a level of patience and would avoid forcing fights in situations where they don't know how things will play out.
People are at their elo for different reasons. Some players only get plat by winning their lane every game, some players have good game knowledge, some junglers only know how to gank, others have good objective control. It's only plat, this isn't the peak of challenger, ofc. many of their decision makins aren't so amazing. Many players even get diamond only based on mechanics or on a single stupid stragy. I e.g. play heroes of the storm, and was diamond/master playing literally 1 champ all the time. I really can't play any other role or position anywhere close to this level, and once I play champs I don't understand so well, me focusing on doing the things with the champ properly will make me pay less attention to the map and other stuff.
: Why i dont play league anymore (change my mind?)
I win lots of games where I do bad myself. Simply understand that you can only win so many games. And this is the same for every game. If I go back to cs:go I have to play aim training maps for an hour every day for a week to get only somewhat close to my former skill. If I don't have that aim in a 1v1 situation, the whole strategy will fail, because I will lose from a winning position because my aim sucks. e.g. I miss my AWP shot that was free. And last of all you are a gold player, you only played ranked for 1 season at least if you are texting from your main account, so you actually never put in a lot of effort to learn the game and play well. Have you ever learned proper lasthitting with e.g. annie in a custom game against a bot with only aa? I doubt it. Reality is, that you have to put effort into things you want to be good at. If you want something never changing, simply do something that doesn't change like chess. Then again getting good at chess will be much more like a daytime job than league, so that's that. If your motivation is that your friends will be jelous about your rank, you might in general consider some meditation, self reclection and reading as a better thing to do for yourself, you sound like a really sad person if you say stuff like that lol..
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >But do you think it's okay to tolerate stuff like these 3 letters. its not ok to say it, and ppl say it because you give the word power by getting offended by it... for example i barely see gg ez at the end of games and even then only mostly toxic ppl write that stuff, and back when i started playing you saw at least 6 of it at the end of the match... then it just lost all the power it has now its just useless to type it, the same could happen to 3 letter words too, if you dont let it offend you then the word have no power and makes it useless to repeat... i got bullied hard in school because i was skinny as hell, but the bullying died fast as i had no reaction to them, so it wasnt funny anymore and with all this i dont say that we should not ban ppl for using it, but we should not give it so much power so everyone is spamming it causing a chaos and spawning tons of posts about it on the boards...
Well all I did was report it to staff, then they said it's not clear while they indeed do ban other 3 letters instantly, so I asked in the forum if people thought this was acceptable behaviour. I think if there is a confusion if something poses a bannable behaviour or not, it should be discussed in this board, I mean if not for this, this board would literally only have people crying about their ban being undeserved when it was totally deserved. If the support would have just said 'oh yeah, wishing people death isn't nice, we will take care of it' I wouldn't have been confused and there wouldn't have been any reason for me to make a post on the forum. And just because you have thick skin and dont care about others behaving badly or bullying, doesn't mean anyone else can simply do it. That's why we should strive for a society where educated kids have enough emotional intelligence to understand bullying is bad, instead of telling the victims to grow some thick skin..
: Billion Dollar Company vol.3
I just wish they could decide if minionblock is a thing or not in this game.
: "Honor is locked and you cant receive loot or honor rewards"
Depending on your last punishment, it might take between 1-2 weeks for a 10 game chat ban, up to multiple month if you were banned. This depends on the amount of games you play without being negative too. I don't know if the actual honor even counts
: From What I've Experienced Recently, I'm Pretty Sure Platinum is Just Bronze 2.0...
Do you understand, that most players in ranked play only a very limited amount of champions, or at least limit their play to certain positions, while they often play different champs in normals (e.g. to get a chest, or simply to play/learn other lanes/champs) Being plat in soloq when I only play tristana & Kaisa all day long won't suddenly make me a good darius player. And the other way around I won't suddenly be a good adc if I only play Udyr & Warwick Jungle in all my ranked games. I know many plat supports who can't cs for shit either. But I doubt you are playing only your best champs in normal games either.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: im kinda with Irayun here. ppl got so thin skinned in the last few years that saying gg ez at the end of the game is punishment worthy... do you know why the 3 letter word have power? because you give it that power... that kayle said that OP should die, and that make him write a ticket then come here to the boards writing a topic about it... with that much advertisement ppl will think its cool to do the same, so they get the same attention... [rule 14 of the internet: dont feed the trolls!](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rule%2014)
But do you think it's okay to tolerate stuff like these 3 letters. If we just say 'wow you are so thin skinned', at what point would you stop. Do you want to promote a community, where everyone thinks wishing others death or telling them to kill themselfs or insulting them is a desirable community? I ignore most stuff and don't take it to heart, 'gg ez' is just banter smacktalk to me, and if someone calls me an idiot or %%%%%% I don't care much, if he doesn't start being a keyboard warrior and starts texting instead of playing the game. If it get's too much I just mute him. But apart from my personal feelings there is the Code of Conduct in the game, and other players do get banned for saying similar stuff in a more obvious manner, so that's my point here. Because if you think that stuff like '%%%' or 'go suicide' wouldn't even be worth a chatban and everyone should just deal with it, then it's obvious that you think the same for this one too.
Irayun (EUW)
: Since you asked about our thoughts on this: It’s no big deal. Just forget it and move on. Jeez you even sent a ticket to riot supp staff for nothing. People getting on their nerves on PvP games is nothing new and somehow understandable to a certain point. I recommend you to stop caring about this and stop being a crybaby. There, you got my opinion as you asked
I sent a report to staff, for something that would, if written in a more obvious way, result in a permanent ban for most players, and already has gotten many people banned permanently. They said it's no big deal, so I was confused and asked for peoples opinion on the board. I didn't make this because I am a crybaby, but because it's really unclear to me, how telling someone to die or suicide results in a permanent ban, but telling the same thing with a smart wording results in you getting no punishment whatsoever.
Rioter Comments
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: How was he a griefer? Because if he only trash-talked you then its not griefing by riot rule book.
I already said in the initial post, that he left for midlane and toplane and fed those lanes 2 kills each and refused to group while farming the jungle or sidelanes instead all game long...
Nidrio (EUW)
: So i get a suspention for replying to a hard flamer?
Actually this is a major concearn. I am always a nice and positive player, unless i fail to mute people who are just toxic af and start talking back. Riot sadly doesn't care and would rather ban you for saying 'dude, your raging and flaming all game when you don't even have better stats makes you look like an idiot' than the other guy for constant negativity and flame. It's rather surprising to me how those players don't get hit harder by chatbans, if I was riot, I would just give lots of people chat bans, so when they start talking crap at least it's limited to 5 messages..
Bonesaw (EUW)
: "Mom! Kids are calling me names over the Internet!"
someone sharing stuff about player behaviour on the player behaviour board... WHOAAA
: LIVE ADMINS FOR RANKED GAMES
I think it is because riot games is a small indie company. No srsly. the amount of games played would require loads of admins, and the workload is simply impossible to handle.. And the way you talk you should probably be glad it is this way, since you might get yourself banned pretty fast if you behave the same way towards your team you do towardy riot.
: Getting banned soon
There is no such thing as an automated ban system, which simply bans you based on the amount of reports made. You can only get banned for a game you got reported in and you can only get banned for this game, in some way broke the Code of Conduct or ToS in this game. So you might want to stop saying 'bad word' because if you had gotten reported in this game, this might have ended in a ban already by a single game. I am pretty sure I get reported every 2nd game I play teemo, especially if my lane goes bad or we lose the game people really seem to like to report the teemo for some reasons, somehow not understanding that the game is designed for players to win 50% and lose 50% of their games and this would still be the case if they had an aatrox or jax toplane..
Rioter Comments
: You have a nice imagination. I can farm at best 2 max 3 minions with q since creeps die faster than my q comes off cooldown. His q comes back faster than my w. And no. He is not nearly half hp after combo even if I hit everything. Your imagination completely skews the facts.
Dude I do play zed and i can tell you you can probably lasthit 95% of the minions by only using q, it has barely any cd, and if he freezes the minions die really slow, so its np and if he shoves you can just farm under turret easily with the passive and q+e xD My imagination is the reality mate, just get over it instead of making up stories. And if he isn't half hp, you probably didnt hit your spells or/and have wrong runes too.
: I cant last hit against a tank that can just tower dive me straight after coming back to lane with tabis only. I cant last hit when he just Q to me slows me and then bites - I am at 1/4 hp now. I was looking at top and bot to check if I can help but they were constantly pushing under enemies turrets. So yeah. I was out of options and farming jungle is impossible on zed.
how does he even get to bite you, you can just lasthit with your q, if he uses pillar you can dash out, if he oversteps you w double q and e and he is hearly half health..
: League of Legends
You do know, that you already had multiple second chances right? Noone gets simply perm banned right of the bat lol..
: Can you get banned saying "Cry"
I'd suggest you just feel happy they cry and just dont type in allchat and stop being toxic. Even if low key banter like this can't really be viewed as toxic, you don't really gain anything doing it, do you? Or does it give you some kind of satisfaction idk..
: Riot still pestering to premade trolls
The way you talk here it's more likely that you wont see them since your account is banned, instead of you climbing out of whatever elo darius+trundle is played. But if you actually want some tips to climbing here we go: 1. If you fight against someone you can't kill, simply focus on lasthitting and roaming, and keep your w up to escape in lane, instead of using it to poke someone, you (as we just found out) can't kill anyway, since he is a tank. Ez pz. Ofc if you prefer to talk shit and tilt thats totally fine, feel free to do so if you want more penalties issued to your account. It's up to you if you want to accept your mistake or just pretend there are good excuses all the time you do something wrong.
dino0 (EUW)
: Well i say permabanning an account due to chat unless were talking reall racist homopobic and death treaths it shouldnt be an option bcs if someone run down mid and u call him ashole wich he his youre gone get reported but he wont you gona get banned he wont. Ive leanerd taht the hard way, got a 8 years acoount with aroun 1k euros on banned, but the guy who trolled and i got mad at he still plays to this day. Now i am happy new riot decision of removing chat both for allies and enemies why, bcs i ahvent changed i am just trying to control myself and guess what i am climbing tru honor levels bcs of good play, i barely speak and if i do, its gona be something to encorage the team. Flame them curse at them, never again bcs that troll will kepp trolling but you sir will get reported and banned for so
hbu simply stop being toxic after you already got a 14 day ban. Then there is like 0% chance of you getting perma banned. Like simply follow the rules like most of the players do, then you have no problem. And what do you gain by insulting a troll? All you are doing is giving them attention..
: I do not agree with permanently banning a player for flaming, especially since they added the option to disable chat, but I guess it's profitable for them.. You'll make a new account and buy a boost to level up faster, right ?
So what you are saying is, that other players should simply not use the chat, which is meant to communicate with your team not for flamers to vent their anger about being hardstuck on to their teammates, just so they can insult me and wish me and my family cancer without me seeing it? You might as well disable the chat completely if you think that way.
: My humble suggestion for improving player experience.
This sounds like an actually good idea, so we can already tell, that this is never happening lol.. Riot literally %%%%ed up everything they could with the report system since they stopped the Tribunal back then. First they overtuned the system, so everyone got 100 chatbans for writing %%%% once, then they undertuned it, but even know it's just easily avoided by actually toxic players. They might have gotten their first account banned, but by the 3rd account they figured out the system and how to be toxic within it. Because it has 0 variance. With a Tribunal you have a variety of players, and toxic players can no longer go undetected just because they understand the current ban system.
Murenu (EUW)
: Actually when u pay u have the right for it and they know it thats why they "conviniently" gave the responsability to others players to ban not them... shady business Riot thats why you losing players by the day
Isn't the playerbase pretty much the same for many years even with many newer titles with much better graphics coming out? :D
Murenu (EUW)
: theres 2 parts in a contract u moron. where in the contract says i should be forced to play with trolls that ruin your game your rank and i cant do anything about it but complain in game ? and because of that complaint i get banned? if that was in the contract nobody would play lol
No your contract is, that they lend you an account to play their game on their account. If you do not like the game the things you can do with the account, you don't have to use them, e.g. ranked ladder, you could have played only AI-Games and with your Friends from the beginning right? But you decided to keep playing ranked, even though apparently all your games are full of trolls, then decided to violate your contract, giving the reason that others do the same. It's like saying you kicked someone in the balls at football, just because you got fouled a bit too often without him getting the red card you think he deservered and then whining how you got a red card yourself. And no the one thing isn't ok to do, but just because someone does a bad thing, you can't go do another bad thing actually thinking it's ok.
: Being a beginner in League SUCKS
It's pretty much the same as sucking at socker in school and noone wants to pick you for their team, so you just end up with those who have to pick at the end. This isn't just a league thing, people want you to perform to some degree to have an enjoyable game. Sure it's bad for new players, but all you can really do is improve. I can advice you to find premade teams, you usually have no problem finding someone if you join some facebook/discord groups/servers
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: 2019 Achievments RIOT GAMES COMPANY
Truth be told, I see less and less inters and feeders. People are still toxic, but way less people just running it down or trolling complete games (like following your jungler as nunu and stuff) Pretty sure the behaviour in general is as bad and as good as in every other season, since it simply depends on the players. Leveling a new account (or getting into the game as newbie) seems really horrible though, I leveled a smurf to play some flex rankeds with friends (they bronze, I'm gold 4 there, only playing it for fun and skin anyway) and it was a really bad experience and still is.
Yraco (EUW)
: All elos are fine though. It's a game with a primary goal of entertaining people; if someone is having fun, whether they are iron 4 0 lp or top of their region in challenger, it is good.
I was just trying to make a reference to fat shaming, but I guess most people either didn't get it or didn't find it funny :D I guess you can't share the same humour with everyone especially on the internet. At the end of the day if you are playing ranked, you are getting matched with players of your level. If they feed early and it's something that never happened to yourself, then it only means you are really lacking in your late game or other factors that are important to winning the game compared to the guy. I myself have a rather poor KDA and can't even count how many times I got called boosted or ebay account :D If you are matched with a hardstuck gold 1 players as a plat 3, chances are high you are simply playing as bad (or good) as those other guys. So when you flame them (and that's wat I tell people if they call me boosted) they are actually just flaming themselfs, because if you think I am a garbage player, but you are matched with me in ranked, that simply means you are just as garbage, since we are rated pretty much the same on the rankings. And if you flame people in normals then you are just a poor human being to begin with, since you clearly queued up knowing you could get much better and much worse people matched against and with you and you aren't losing any elo or anything.
: You will understand when someone plays on your nerves and causes you to rage one day. you'll get there one day :)
I've been playing this game since beta, and never got perma banned, so I guess I was just lucky I didn't have anyone getting on my nerves hard enough for all those ~10k games, right? xD
Pixelbits (EUW)
: Why does everyone blame the jungle always?
Well if you lose your lane, you can either blame yourself or the jungler. And people who feel the need to blame/flame in chat, usually aren't the self-reflective kinda guys.
: riot ban program in a nutshell
So where exactly did riot say that this is okay? Pretty sure I have seen people perma banned for saying it once.
: and mental health / personality disorders are not considered disabilities, the two can happen together but that's a dual diagnosis, which is what I have a disorder is a medical term while a disability is a legal term A mental health disorder on it's own is not a disability, if it was a disability you would be entitled to state allocations and people diagnosed with psychopathy (as a standalone diagonis) are not entitled to that, since it is not considered a disability to clear this up a bit here's the legal definition of a disability : > a physical or mental impairment which has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on your ability to carry out normal day-to-day activities If you think psychopathy on it's own, fits this definition then you're clearly basing yourself on false assumptions and stereotypes about psychopathy
> [{quoted}](name=Call me Teddy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8bxHqpdx,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-21T01:22:34.605+0000) > > and mental health / personality disorders are not considered disabilities, the two can happen together but that's a dual diagnosis, which is what I have > a disorder is a medical term while a disability is a legal term > > A mental health disorder on it's own is not a disability, if it was a disability you would be entitled to state allocations and people diagnosed with psychopathy (as a standalone diagonis) are not entitled to that, since it is not considered a disability Ye but we aren't in %%%%ing law class here, I used a word and everyone understands what I mean.. IT disables you from doing many things, that's why i called it a disability. If you wanna argue wording go study linguistics or sth..
: Rank Shaming in 2k19
I don't think you should try to defend your unhealthy playing habits with the idea of 'all shapes of elo are wonderful, you are an unique little butterfly who is perfect'. Thanks a lot!
: Got my first ban and was wondering if this was worth a 14 day?
Considering you already got punished before, I do think a 14-day suspension is not undeserved. You would be better off thinking about a way to fix your behaviour in order to not get perma banned, instead of argueing if 14 days are a harsh punishment or not. I mean you literally started being toxic in the champ selection.. Then you wrote like 3-5 messages every minute, mostly low key flame and provoking, spamming allchat and calling for reports. Sure you didn't use any hard insults (maybe you thought you can't get banned if you don't? idk..) like %%%g0t, %%%%%%, ... but you basically called them stupid hardstuck gold trash nolifers. Seems worthy of a ban to me.
SeMBiA (EUW)
: your complete lack of logic amazes me
> [{quoted}](name=SeMBiA,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=fH1hBNd9,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-20T19:39:07.547+0000) > > your complete lack of logic amazes me so are you going to share your logs or not? What is the reason you aren't? I think the CoC is pretty clear in most cases. And you only get banned if you pretty obviously aren't in line with it.
Murenu (EUW)
: This game is a scam and robbery
So you agreed to a contract you didn't read, and then when the things in the contract applied to you you call it a scam.. Interesting..
: Perma-ban
So was the same dude getting you your chat restrictions and 14 day vacation? Man up, you are responsible for what you do, not someone else.
: 1 . Psychopathy is not considered a disability as it does not impair your ability to work or perform daily tasks 2 . Psychopaths do not get locked up for no reason, if they don't commit a crime they won't get jailed or sent to a ward, unless they take the decision to get volontary sent to a ward
> [{quoted}](name=Call me Teddy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8bxHqpdx,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-07-20T02:40:59.982+0000) > > 1 . Psychopathy is not considered a disability as it does not impair your ability to work or perform daily tasks > 2 . Psychopaths do not get locked up for no reason, if they don't commit a crime they won't get jailed or sent to a ward, unless they take the decision to get volontary sent to a ward Ye that's usually how people find out? And you get locked up for being a psychopath, not for no reason.If you are mentally unstable and a danger to yourself or others you do get locked up lol.. And ofc it is a disability, it's definded as a personality disorder?
: another discussion about "ez"
Let's be honest, if someone is shittalking all game, like typing 'ez' after they would have lost a 2v2 but their jungler showed up, or for whatever other reason, I'll be glad to throw it back to them after I kill their nexus. If you can't take an EZ, don't put it out there, it really doesn't matter at what point in the game you do it. Oh and just turn the allchat off btw, there is literally nothing you can gain from having it on. People use it for shittalking only. You aren't challenger either, so you prob don't have your other challenger friends in the enemy team for some friendly chatting ;) So literally all you will get is shittalking and maybe a casual gg once in a while, but you are just better off without allchat. In Heroes of the Storm there is no allchat and people don't think it's facebook messenger in general like LoL players seem to do and you really don't miss out on anything.
: > meanwhile if you're the type of guy that tells other people online to get raped/cancer/throat slitted or whatever, you're just a socially awkward sad individual, you're not even in my radar, i can't be triggered by such a socially disabled guy These kinds of things have absolutely nothing to do with any kind of social handicap, I would never say these kinds of things myself I'd say it's more of a thing that comes with lack of empathy and respect towards others, not some kind of disability, just bad people
> [{quoted}](name=Call me Teddy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=8bxHqpdx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-07-09T08:02:01.674+0000) > > These kinds of things have absolutely nothing to do with any kind of social handicap, I would never say these kinds of things myself > I'd say it's more of a thing that comes with lack of empathy and respect towards others, not some kind of disability, just bad people Pretty sure lack of empathy is actually a disability. It's called being a psychopath and if someone finds out you get a nice white room and new clothes real fast lol
: I cant get more Humble than this
Uff, posting that you offer elo boost for others within the ingame chat on the player behaviour boards.. Guess you can say goodbye to those accounts lul...
: Why are smurfs allowed?
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