: Wow, I honestly don't know what is sadder, the rubbish the OP is spouting or the fact that people actually upvoted it......
Not everyone is smart enough to understand. It'll come with age, don't worry.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: ooooooooorrrr maybe play with your friends as premades and you eliminate that problem... normal is literally there for learning champs and trying out weird stuff without losing anything, because there is literally no difference between winning and losing (well you get less xp but thats all) if you want to tryhard go ranked, thats where ppl are more serious about winning the game to climb bots are too easy, i can go 0/40 and still win it 1v5, and blind pick is just swarmed with toixc ppl, its more toxic than chernobyl ever was...
That is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard. First of all you ain't gonna find a full premade of friends that will all be able to play the roles they want when they want them. Plus there will be a lot of AFKing. Someone needs to eat, someone has to go, someone needs a coffee, smoke break and 100 other reasons. That will only cause frustration and after few games nobody will want to continue. In the end all things considered for sure they will impact your relationship with those people because of how competitiveness affects everyone and brings the worse out of people sometimes. Ranked is too stressful and I don't want to go there unprepared or without having a champion pool so I don't end up in "elohell".
: Bots are if you're trying champ for the first time and wanna test how their abilities work in general. Normals are when you're learning the champions. Off-meta picks are fine as long as you try your best. Rankeds are the tryhard mode.
> [{quoted}](name=Healerius Hiiri,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AtnBKedW,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-27T11:44:18.424+0000) > > Bots are if you're trying champ for the first time and wanna test how their abilities work in general. > Normals are when you're learning the champions. Off-meta picks are fine as long as you try your best. > Rankeds are the tryhard mode. Not sure how you can learn something when you are being demoralized when you know someone picked something terrible, that he is most likely to contribute to your loss and then see it all come to fruition in front of your eyes. That doesn't float my boat, at all.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: Sorry to %%%% you up, but draft pick is FOR PRACTICE AND TRYING STUFF THAT HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST. Ranked is where you go competitive.
> [{quoted}](name=M3GTRDragon,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AtnBKedW,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-02-27T11:54:25.009+0000) > > Sorry to %%%% you up, but draft pick is FOR PRACTICE AND TRYING STUFF THAT HAVE WORKED IN THE PAST. > > Ranked is where you go competitive. You're missing some key details of this topic. Yes Normal Drafts are for practice but if I can't get in my practice properly because of players who come to "TRY STUFF" and play unconventional and low-reward-for-max-effort champions into 0/10 deficits and end up costing the game well then, how do you expect me to become a good player? Go ranked games and learn the game there among bronze, silver players who are extremely toxic, demoralizing and been stuck there for ages? Most likely I would become like them.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > New ones will be coming in, until you climb up to a certain point. I'm already at that point. --- > But not everyone can do that. So they will be stuck with the mess you created just because they're not as mechanically gifted No, they won't. You might believe that, but they won't. If they are better, they'll climb. "Trolls" won't keep them down, that's just a common excuse.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AtnBKedW,comment-id=0000000100000001000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-27T11:42:44.463+0000) > > I'm already at that point. > --- > > No, they won't. You might believe that, but they won't. If they are better, they'll climb. "Trolls" won't keep them down, that's just a common excuse. First of all, we all would be Lebron James, Fakers, Elon Musks and etc. if we could. But there is a reason we aren't and that's because we aren't as talented, hard working, mentally strong or just don't have the necessary conditions, environment. Point being. We are who we are, you can't expect everyone to be able to achieve certain things but its the responsibility of a game developer to create the best environment possible for the players. Right now, they're not even close. p.s. And saying something like "your own fault" in this case would be super ignorant and naive. Because it ain't them childrens fault who are dying out of starvation in Africa, right. Edgy example, but I hope you get the point.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > You don't even consider the fact that there will always be a flow of new players that just started their ranked adventures... Thousands of alt accounts... Who will all drop to the lower ends of the ladder until they get better and climb. --- > Oh your games are full of "trolls" and "newbs". We both know it. Mine aren't. I haven't had any issue climbing to my goals in any season so far.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AtnBKedW,comment-id=00000001000000010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-27T11:34:34.705+0000) > > Who will all drop to the lower ends of the ladder until they get better and climb. > --- > > Mine aren't. I haven't had any issue climbing to my goals in any season so far. Sure they will drop but that's not the point. Point is - you will always have those players in your games. New ones will be coming in, until you climb up to a certain point. But not everyone can do that. So they will be stuck with the mess you created just because they're not as mechanically gifted or etc. This is what terms "hardstuck" and "elohell" really mean IMO.
Solash (EUW)
: Ooooooor....you could not do that.
Oooooorrr... people could start taking normal drafts i bit more seriously so I don't start screwing up your ranked climbs? Because if you don't let me have my practice where I want and be disrespectful towards normals, I'll do the same to your ranked games.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > Now count 10000 players with that approach playing that way and soon we have a whole lot of decent players getting frustrated and "hardstuck". 10 000 is an incredibly small number compared to how many people play this game. So the odds of me encountering one of those players like yourself is still almost 0. At the very least, it's not going to prevent me from climbing.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AtnBKedW,comment-id=000000010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-27T11:28:52.352+0000) > > 10 000 is an incredibly small number compared to how many people play this game. So the odds of me encountering one of those players like yourself is still almost 0. > > At the very least, it's not going to prevent me from climbing. 10 000 is just a random number I threw as an example. Don't try to just argue with me. Think for yourself for a second. You don't even consider the fact that there will always be a flow of new to the game players that just started their ranked adventures... Thousands of alt accounts of toxic players and etc... Oh... your games are full of "trolls" and "newbs". We both know it. Unless you are high up in the rankings. But Bronze, Silver, Gold divisions are a total shit show.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > I'll go try +100 champions I never played in all 5 different roles during your ranked climbs. It won't have any impact. If you can't play, you'll quickly drop down to the bottom of the ladder and I won't face you anyway.
Well you gotta imagine if I lose the game, 4 other players lose with me. Now count 10000 players with that approach playing that way and soon we have a whole lot of decent players getting frustrated and "hardstuck". First they become frustrated, after some time they become angry players, then hatred settles in and it's done deal. All thanks to players like you. And if we consider the fact that most players aren't even adults, well then... This is what you have right now. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Hansiman (EUW)
: > So you recommend new players who want to play seriously go straight into ranked with no experience at all Where did I state that? We're talking about normal draft. Ranked is designed for competitive play. Normals is designed for casual.
Try to connect the dots? If I can't seriously practice in normals, I'll go try +100 champions I never played in all 5 different roles during your ranked climbs. How about that?
: Or it's for casual play in which you don't want to play support or some boring role. If you want to play mid and just chat to friends in a call then you would not go in to blind because you will argue and ur mood will worsen. Hell, I troll in ranked flex because I don't care about it, so you can imagine how little I care about normal.
Well, I'll troll in ranked games from now on. Try all the champions in different roles. See if i like anything. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
: Gotta agree with the green comment, for once. :)
Alright then, don't expect anyone to care about your ranked climb either. We'll test our champions there, maybe try some janna jungle and what not. Can't get in some serious practice in normal drafts, F it. We'll do it in your ranked games where some people might actually be tryharding af. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
Hansiman (EUW)
: It's mainly separated because a large group of the community does not like blind picked, for any reason. I would never touch that queue myself. When I play, I'd rather queue up for certain roles and play those. Blind doesn't give the proper training ground for ranked due to its champion select.
So you recommend new players who want to play seriously go straight into ranked with no experience at all, without knowing what role they want to play, what champion they like and all the alt accounts that have no champion pool as well. All to go there and figure out your mess by ruining games for those players that put a lot of effort and focus over the time and trying to climb out of there but because of players like you who need to figure out the basics they keep getting held back, getting frustrated and not performing as good as they could. That's your idea?
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