rRefluxX (EUW)
: How will the new Shield Bash rune work?
- You only get the bonus damage when you GAIN a shield. So Malphite doesn't have it all the time. - There is a 4 second internal CD, so no, Mordekaiser, Diana, Overheal and Bloodthirster cannot proc this quickly in succession.
: Ezreal's disgusting new voice
Eh, I like it. Fits the character.
Lari (EUNE)
: At last I made it!
Congrats! Still S5 peasant after 7 years over here xD
YHWH Adonai (EUNE)
: I guess that's because of preseason and also new mission event. If more people play, then more bad players is in the game. Somehow also many players want to make missions during their ranked games. But I can feel you. I really hate playing ranked games. All the time people are shouting, blaming others about everything what's going wrong. Everyone is very emotional about their LP. Well, I can understand it. I was also very dissapointed when on my promotion games I was paired with some unranked people who just reached 30 lvl, had all their games in match history lost and played like disaster. I was so dissapointed that I stopped playing for some time at all. Why I had them during promotion? There is more issues to that. You described some of them. People are trolling and leaving out of anger (saying it's somebody fault) or doing some other stuff. Well, I guess I'm not really competitive person, it's stressing me out. I rather prefer teamwork with friends so I play ranked very rarely. Also I saw my friend kids who are like 9 years old and play LoL just like you described, disconnecting out of the blue, leaving the game without a reason on because of some sick rage, arguing that they want to be some other lane and then trollpicking. They were a bit brats, but it didn't look like they were trolling, more like they were clueless and couldn't understand that they were playing besides living players. I guess for players like that, sadly there is nothing much we can do. :(
> [{quoted}](name=YHWH Adonai,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=6BH7YAaT,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-11-29T01:36:26.866+0000) > > I guess that's because of preseason and also new mission event. If more people play, then more bad players is in the game. Somehow also many players want to make missions during their ranked games. > > But I can feel you. I really hate playing ranked games. All the time people are shouting, blaming others about everything what's going wrong. Everyone is very emotional about their LP. Well, I can understand it. I was also very dissapointed when on my promotion games I was paired with some unranked people who just reached 30 lvl, had all their games in match history lost and played like disaster. I was so dissapointed that I stopped playing for some time at all. Why I had them during promotion? There is more issues to that. You described some of them. People are trolling and leaving out of anger (saying it's somebody fault) or doing some other stuff. Well, I guess I'm not really competitive person, it's stressing me out. I rather prefer teamwork with friends so I play ranked very rarely. > > Also I saw my friend kids who are like 9 years old and play LoL just like you described, disconnecting out of the blue, leaving the game without a reason on because of some sick rage, arguing that they want to be some other lane and then trollpicking. They were a bit brats, but it didn't look like they were trolling, more like they were clueless and couldn't understand that they were playing besides living players. I guess for players like that, sadly there is nothing much we can do. :( 9 year old kids shouldn't be playing this game anyway (or playing online games at all for that matter). Their brains aren't developed enough yet to fully understand there's a living person behind each champion and thus they cannot be held fully responsible for their bad behavior. Your friend is to blame for allowing them to play LoL at all.
: Extreme lag in EUW client and ingame.
: Can we just remove Ezreal from the champ pool?
Ezreals' problem is that the meta really doesn't favor him at the moment. He's a poke champ that shines in the early and mid game. He's just naturally countered by the current meta of all-in protect-the-ADC 5 man deathball comps. Items like Ardent Censer and abaysit supports like Janna and Soraka being overtuned at the moment doesn't help his cause either because he is both countered by them nor synergizes very well with them when they're on his side. I don't think he needs any serious work (although Riot does need to decide what to do with his W, it's all over the place right now), most of his kit has aged pretty well and he has a lot of potential for both playmaking and being outplayed himself. It's just a matter of waiting until the meta switches back in his favor again.
Wølfie (EUW)
: Nocturne
Yes, he's viable, it's just that the current meta of protect-the-ADC 5 man deathballs doesn't really favor him. He works best against more spread out splitpush comps where he can jump on isolated squishies from half a map away and annihilate them. His spell shield also allows him to win against champions that other assassins might struggle against (especially combo based immobile mages like Lux and Brand). He's also a quite decent splitpusher himself although he kinda lacks an escape mechanism. I don't think he needs any attention, his burst and engagement range are incredible and he has a fairly unique defensive tool in his spellshield. I think it's a fair con to not have any innate escape mechanisms and be gated by his ult CD. I always jungle him by the way.
KMyL (EUNE)
: IMO that's really hard, or even imposibble to do.
> [{quoted}](name=KMyL,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MifV9AQT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-31T07:30:36.589+0000) > > IMO that's really hard, or even imposibble to do. Why? Would be as easy as putting an if-then-else statement in the right place that overrides random champ select and saves your champion in the case that someone leaves (well, probably not literally that easy, but I don't think it'd be hard to do). There's already code in place that gives you your reroll back if you used it in champ select and someone leaves before the game starts, so this shouldn't be hard to do either. I think it would be a good idea, it makes leaving random champ select because you don't like what RNG gave you useless while avoiding stuff like banning people.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: Just ask from uni's staff about it. It's not surpriing unis start blocking league
> [{quoted}](name=Scrinnid,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jGWmqNRl,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-28T22:46:38.355+0000) > > Just ask from uni's staff about it. It's not surpriing unis start blocking league Yeah, on public machines and in public places like the library that would be logical. Not on a private computer in a private room however, even if it's using the uni network. Every uni network worth it's salt should have it's public and private connections behind different routers or smh to account for their different needs.
Perilum (EUW)
: What is going on in the Botlane?
Might also have to do with autofill. A lot of people only play support when they get autofilled (because then they're forced to) and of course they don't know what they're doing because they never play the role otherwise.
: What are your thoughts on playing against Ornn?
My feelings are the opposite, he feels too forgiving for his opponents. He's supposed to be a vanguard but lacks any really good initiation tool. His R could be but it's incredibly telegraphed. His Q-E combo feels clunky as well because it takes so long for the pillar to appear. Maybe it was intended in such a way that his full QEW-auto combo would be gated behind his R (use the knockup from R to reliably set up a devastating Q-E-W double knockup combo) much like for example Malphite but the problem with that is that it is also incredibly hard to even hit someone with the knockup let alone surprise them with it (anyone can see it coming for around 4 seconds). Maybe this is just my inexperience with the champion but to me he just feels... clunky at the moment. I would have much preferred it if the R was only the secondary part simply immediately starting from Ornn himself with the exact same effect as it has now. Maybe lower the missile speed a bit to compensate for the improved ease of use. That would make him much more like Sejuani or Malphite while keeping his own unique stuff.
Axnou (EUNE)
: When is it my fault?
Unless you can keep track of every little thing all of your teammates and opponents do (which is downright impossible), there's no way to tell who exactly caused a win or a loss. In other words, stop worrying about it and if people flame, you, /mute all. It's not worth the time and effort to reply to them.
: Is Teemo too weak BUFf. or does malphite just counter him?
Malphite is pretty much a hard counter to anything that relies on auto attacking except Yi and Olaf. Earlygame you should easily have the upper hand though. Malphite can't reach you unless he ults, so just harass him. He also needs to get magic resistance instead of armor, which is also bad for him. He massively outscales Teemo however, so the longer the game drags on the more likely you are to lose lose this matchup.
Wen294 (EUW)
: There are just that many people that want to play mid. Deal with it, especially since you're one of them so you're part of the problem.
> [{quoted}](name=Wen294,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=KA0l8Ii1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-11T00:26:30.241+0000) > > There are just that many people that want to play mid. Deal with it, especially since you're one of them so you're part of the problem. The real problem is actually that botlane is pretty effed up right now. Aside from a few OP outliers most marksmen are pretty bad untl they reach full build at which point some of them become outright ridiculous (Jinx, Cait, Vayne (although Vayne is OP from the moment she gets her AS item), Twitch), and because of the ArPen and Ghostblade changes earlygame ADC's like Lucian and Draven are nearly nonexistent. So there are rather few players who want to play marksmen right now or simply pick a mage for botlane. Solutions: rework crit into something more healthy (or if that's not feasible just outright remove IE) and add early- and midgame itemization options for marksmen. And support... well, we all know what the problem with support is.
: tanks get popular *Vayne is the most OP thing ever created* assassins get popular *Vayne is utter shit* tanks get popular because assassins got popular *Vayne is the most OP thing ever created* There is nothing like a "fed vayne" or "starved vayne". its either -you got a team that is innately weak to vayne's kit and you should do your best to end ASAP- or -you got a team that fights in bursts, which is something Vayne can do absolutely nothing about- Vayne is K. She is the anti-tank hyperlategame carry. If you get assassins against her and her team doesn't protect her, she dies instantly. If you pick Renekton or anybody similar, after a certain level, you begin to ask "why can't i as 15/4/0/ kill that 0/10/0 Vayne?"
> [{quoted}](name=Prugar Senpai,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=KAm6WEg2,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-01-08T10:15:45.517+0000) > > tanks get popular > *Vayne is the most OP thing ever created* > assassins get popular > *Vayne is utter shit* > tanks get popular because assassins got popular > *Vayne is the most OP thing ever created* > > > There is nothing like a "fed vayne" or "starved vayne". its either > -you got a team that is innately weak to vayne's kit and you should do your best to end ASAP- > or > -you got a team that fights in bursts, which is something Vayne can do absolutely nothing about- > > Vayne is K. She is the anti-tank hyperlategame carry. > If you get assassins against her and her team doesn't protect her, she dies instantly. > If you pick Renekton or anybody similar, after a certain level, you begin to ask "why can't i as 15/4/0/ kill that 0/10/0 Vayne?" Actually Vayne is about the only marksman that can 1v1 an assassin thanks to her stealth and selfpeel. Her only true weakness is significantly outranging her (or Malphite who just makes her attack slower than a slug, but he does that to every auto-attacker except Yi and Olaf).
: Camille.....
While I certainly don't deny that Camillen is about the worst champion Riot has ever released your teammates can actually enter an enemy Camilles cage.
: Ziggs adc is meta, haven't heard about Ziggs support being a thing. I guess it's like Zyra with less cc, but more damage.
> [{quoted}](name=Jungle only,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=yt7AbjaX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-07T00:47:43.556+0000) > > Ziggs adc is meta, haven't heard about Ziggs support being a thing. I guess it's like Zyra with less cc, but more damage. I don't know how he'd work as an ADC though. Nashors? Anyway, the reason Ziggs has gone to botlane is because of his insane tower damage.
Trick2G69 (EUNE)
: League Of Legends,A Game For Hardcore Gamers?
How is a game that you'll have to literally invest thousands of hours into to get anywhere not hardcore? Hell, I don't even consider League a "game" anymore. It has become a sport.
: Also, this is not only Riot's fault, it's mainly the average player fault, for being such a spoiled brat and not taking their assigned role, thus dodging. But also Riot should have seen this coming, knowing how they players usually behave.
> [{quoted}](name=Thewoombat,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pEWHh4P0,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2016-12-28T22:48:25.381+0000) > > Also, this is not only Riot's fault, it's mainly the average player fault, for being such a spoiled brat and not taking their assigned role, thus dodging. But also Riot should have seen this coming, knowing how they players usually behave. The reason I dislike autofill is exactly because, like you, I have other stuff to do and thus do not have the time to commit to more than one role on a semi-decent level. So when I get autofilled I'm basically forced to ruin everyones' game because there's no way for me to perform up to par with others who do have their main roles in that game (and getting flamed and raged at as a result, oh the joy). I suck at support, I suck even more at ADC, yet I'm forced to play those roles and feed the opponent simply because they don't fit my playstyle and talents.
Infernape (EUW)
: {{champion:164}} - "I will wait for you to be better".
> [{quoted}](name=FurorDivinus27,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ydqmG1z6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-21T19:20:04.428+0000) > > {{champion:164}} - "I will wait for you to be better". She'll have to wait a long time in the permaban corner...
: Is the quality of games drastically reduced?
Autofill is the primary issue (and I have a feeling it's broken, I've been autofilled mid of al places twice in the last few days). Also nonsense champions like Camille. I thought that ulti's couldn't get anymore broken after Ekko's full heal and escape on a nonexistent CD or Tarics' AoE invulnerability but in comes Camille who can lock you down and kill you with no counter whatsoever (unless you're lucky enough to have a knockback in your kit) from a screen away. Games just stop being fun this way. It's autofill trolls and broken champions all over and if you do have a troll-less game everyone plays squishies so you don't ever get to enjoy a good 5v5 brawl that actually lasts longer than 3 seconds.
Rioter Comments
: Playing Kled 101
Erm, Fervor is pretty core on Kled... It just synergizes too well with your W.
: So how can I counter him in early game as Yasuo when he gives me 5 aa and with ult he can dive me when I'm full hp?
> [{quoted}](name=Reproduktor12345,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=LsUK0FyK,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-12-14T14:33:08.548+0000) > > So how can I counter him in early game as Yasuo when he gives me 5 aa and with ult he can dive me when I'm full hp? Go Malphite, cast E and spam /d and /l when he goes all in, then casually walk back to your tower.
M4ndrake (EUW)
: Jungle role needs adjustments stilll
So it's back to S3 support junglers on a support budget? No thanks. You had to play fucking full tank Xin Zhao and Nocturne back then because junglers couldn't afford any offensive items.
: "For Ranked I'd go as far as saying: Have LVL 5 masteries with 3 champs of each type. (if you are too lazy to grind that up, don't play ranked) This was suggested multiple times already, and it won't happen, considering that it adds more bad than good" You high mate or what? How playing at least 20-30 games with champion to understand it basics adds bad? They've tested it in Heroes of the Storm and it works perfectly.
> [{quoted}](name=Kawaii Burrower,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=9UF7baan,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2016-12-14T15:32:07.774+0000) > > "For Ranked I'd go as far as saying: Have LVL 5 masteries with 3 champs of each type. (if you are too lazy to grind that up, don't play ranked) > > This was suggested multiple times already, and it won't happen, considering that it adds more bad than good" > > You high mate or what? How playing at least 20-30 games with champion to understand it basics adds bad? They've tested it in Heroes of the Storm and it works perfectly. Are you insane? That means you need to play 250-500 hours (18x20 to 30 games lasting 30 minutes to an hour including queue and champ select) before you can even touch ranked. That'll take most players between 1 and 2 **years**.
: Camille Poll
She's out for like 2 hours now? Come on{{sticker:zombie-brand-clap}}
: Lucian is a little bit strange right now. His powerspikes are really strange to be honnest. It's not the first time an all-in is lost simply because he doesn't do enouge damage. Still that actually his only issue. The first back powerspike is just insame. He's just strange right now because a champion that suppose to be strong early has such a weak level 1-3. Than again even his lategame was alway a bit decent. He's a bit ezreal in that regard and the {{item:3142}} {{item:3071}} build is intressting on him and I would actually prefer having this build be more promoted. Having the option to prox 4 of the stack in less than a second is pretty insame and than I didn't even mention the prox potentional with his ult. Changing his to an early game adc would way the way to go in my option. The lategame cleanup build was nice but I think we need to aim where his strengths are. Providing utility as a armor shredder would be intressting.
> [{quoted}](name=CoolKnightST,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=QsE38wA3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-09T11:47:40.031+0000) > > Lucian is a little bit strange right now. His powerspikes are really strange to be honnest. It's not the first time an all-in is lost simply because he doesn't do enouge damage. > > Still that actually his only issue. The first back powerspike is just insame. He's just strange right now because a champion that suppose to be strong early has such a weak level 1-3. Than again even his lategame was alway a bit decent. He's a bit ezreal in that regard and the {{item:3142}} {{item:3071}} build is intressting on him and I would actually prefer having this build be more promoted. Having the option to prox 4 of the stack in less than a second is pretty insame and than I didn't even mention the prox potentional with his ult. Changing his to an early game adc would way the way to go in my option. The lategame cleanup build was nice but I think we need to aim where his strengths are. Providing utility as a armor shredder would be intressting. The{{item:3142}} {{item:3071}} build was nerfed pretty heavily with{{item:3142}} no longer granting AS on the active. He's now back to using a standard ADC build so I think Lucy could use some extra punch again. Perhaps {{item:3153}} would be good on him again with it's recent buffs now that Koggles can't abuse it anymore.
Hìjaal (EUW)
: Okay i will answer you with brutal honesty since the other people here don't do that.... There is 3 types of supports, but only 1 type of thoose supports will be good mid or late game. The 2 other type of supports will really suck late game. Healing Support/Shielding support: {{champion:40}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:37}} Poke Support: {{champion:63}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:26}} Tanky Supports: {{champion:12}}{{champion:432}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:106}} these are the supports which are best mid or late game. The Healing Supports/Shielding Supports + Poke Supports suck mid and late game which is the gaming phases which truly matters to win the game. Some of Tank Supports are better then some of the Tank Supports and best Tank Supports atm is: {{champion:53}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:412}} so if you wanna become a good support focus on these 7 Tank Supports.
> [{quoted}](name=Hìjaal,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=9EEZ8NbJ,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2016-12-09T12:16:08.421+0000) > > Okay i will answer you with brutal honesty since the other people here don't do that.... > > There is 3 types of supports, but only 1 type of thoose supports will be good mid or late game. The 2 other type of supports will really suck late game. > > Healing Support/Shielding support: {{champion:40}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:267}} {{champion:76}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:37}} > > Poke Support: {{champion:63}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:26}} > > Tanky Supports: {{champion:12}}{{champion:432}} {{champion:53}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:106}} these are the supports which are best mid or late game. > > The Healing Supports/Shielding Supports + Poke Supports suck mid and late game which is the gaming phases which truly matters to win the game. > > Some of Tank Supports are better then some of the Tank Supports and best Tank Supports atm is: {{champion:53}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:89}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:44}} {{champion:412}} so if you wanna become a good support focus on these 7 Tank Supports. {{champion:24}} support? He's like the anti-support together with {{champion:11}} and {{champion:23}}
Pridette (EUW)
: Nerf rengar
He's just been nerfed, read the patch notes...
: Bluiser Nidalee?
It's... gimmicky really. You're basically a Kalista without the jump passive and a far harder to perform execute (Kalista presses E, you have to get into melee range first) whose poke is largely eliminated because you don't build AP (just Rylais and Muramana don't make up for that). It's biggest asset is the surprise factor, as shown from your example vs. Vi. Otherwise I wouldn't use it in any serious game.
Xëmnas (EUW)
: Vayne PBE changes
The only problem is that Vayne only needs a BotRK + zerker greaves to become unbeatable in a 1v1 even against assassins if played well.
: Why do people tell me what support to play?
Problem is most junglers and top laners want to play their precious squishy assassins or melee carries so the support is often all the frontline a team has. And if the support is a squishy as well you have no frontline at all. As a general rule of thumb playing a tanky champion as a support, jungler or toplaner is always good because there are so many people that play squishies (especially at the lower divisions) that you'll never end up with a damage shortage.
Rioter Comments
: Topic isnt about how support role is great and unique or bad and useless. Most of the players dont like to prepare stage and this is why riot is going to do something about it to draw some attention on role . So i wanted to look at the subject from different perspective.
> [{quoted}](name=Oxydo Archangel,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=5ly9BhIG,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-11-28T20:04:45.505+0000) > > Topic isnt about how support role is great and unique or bad and useless. Most of the players dont like to prepare stage and this is why riot is going to do something about it to draw some attention on role . So i wanted to look at the subject from different perspective. Your suggestions don't change anything about the core problem with support: supports sacrifice personal power for the good of their team. Most people don't like to do this, especially not for strangers like in solo or flex queue. In other words, the concept of a supportive role in a game like this is simply fundamentally flawed and the problem will only be truly solved if Riot makes the income of all 5 positions equal and redesigns every support champion and champions excessively reliant on supports (like Kog) from scratch so the can adapt to a world where everyone makes the same amount of money and babysitters don't exist.
: >and if [champion] was OP while using it [champion] should be nerfed and not the item itself Doesn't that apply to {{item:3116}} as well?
> [{quoted}](name=Real Ahri,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=tPFd3r73,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-26T18:07:47.717+0000) > > Doesn't that apply to {{item:3116}} as well? Much less. Rylai's is a much more complete package of power, defense and CC all rolled into one that is quite usable by a lot of mages. Frozen Mallet is much different. It only offers a little bit of AD making it unsuitable as an offensive item, and the 700 HP it offers is meh as a defensive item as well if compared to stuff like Randuins or Spirit Visage that a lot of AD brawlers tend to get. It's simply not slot-effective for the majority of champions. Furthermore, the slow only applies on auto-attacks, making the item almost exclusive to tanky AD auto-attackers, of which there simply aren't a lot. There's Gnar in mini-form and Shyvana and that's about it. On mini-Gnar it could be an abuse case because he's ranged and gets a movement speed increase after every 3 auto's making him potentially too sticky but Shyvana desperately needs it to have a chance to stay on her target (I can't imagine playing Shyv without FH really). There's more like Rek'Sai, Udyr and Skarner but those have other means of CC or stayng on their target or simply don't have the space in their build to get it.
Antenora (EUW)
: You can report supports who do that. Leaving an ADC to 1v2 in the bot lane for an extended amount of time is actually bannable. Roaming as a support is fine but there's a difference between roaming and abandoning your AD Carry. If I play Support and I want to roam to make a play, I tell my ADC "I'm going to roam mid, farm safe and don't push past wards." I had a support like that a few weeks ago, I played {{champion:222}} and my support was {{champion:143}}. Only difference was this support was playing like a mid laner and offered no real support to anyone during the game. Mid-game I was 1/1/8 and my support was like 8/3/1. I reported the Zyra and I got the notification about 30 minutes later that a player I recently reported was punished.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=mk21IQ4L,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-26T14:41:20.370+0000) > > You can report supports who do that. > > Leaving an ADC to 1v2 in the bot lane for an extended amount of time is actually bannable. > > Roaming as a support is fine but there's a difference between roaming and abandoning your AD Carry. > > If I play Support and I want to roam to make a play, I tell my ADC "I'm going to roam mid, farm safe and don't push past wards." > > > I had a support like that a few weeks ago, I played {{champion:222}} and my support was {{champion:143}}. Only difference was this support was playing like a mid laner and offered no real support to anyone during the game. > > Mid-game I was 1/1/8 and my support was like 8/3/1. > > I reported the Zyra and I got the notification about 30 minutes later that a player I recently reported was punished. You could also look from the point of view of your support, he also wasted at least 20 minutes because he got a role he didn't sign up for. I find it rather alarming that Riot can apparently ban players for not performing as they should in a role they didn't want and perhaps don't even know. I mean, I never play support, I've never built their items and then Riot thinks it's ok to force people in a position they do not know how to play and punish them if they don't magically acquire the knowledge to do so? Ridiculous. If you're forced into a situation in which you don't know what to do you often do what you're used to, hence people start building AP on support mages like Zyra. I recently got autofilled as support as well and was lucky that I had some previous experience as a tank from jungling and bothered to read the description for Knights' Vow so I didn't completely suck as Alistar but the experience wasn't a pleasure with a flaming ADC because I obviously couldn't live up to his expectations.
: I hope they nerf {{item:3022}} as well then
> [{quoted}](name=Real Ahri,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=tPFd3r73,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-26T15:27:34.918+0000) > > I hope they nerf {{item:3022}} as well then Frozen Mallet is niche enough as it is. The only potential abuse case for this item is Gnar, but since he's not doing well right now anyway I see no reason to nerf Frozen Mallet (and if Gnar was OP while using it Gnar should be nerfed and not the item itself).
: This shouldn't be a big problem. I have a tanky rune page, an AD and AP rune page. I could have lived with two pages. As soon as you have runes, the type of runes you have don't really matter as they offer only little differences. What matters the most by far, is how you play the game.
> [{quoted}](name=sander599,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=G882Kh3w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-24T22:07:30.983+0000) > > This shouldn't be a big problem. I have a tanky rune page, an AD and AP rune page. I could have lived with two pages. As soon as you have runes, the type of runes you have don't really matter as they offer only little differences. What matters the most by far, is how you play the game. Er... I have 12 rune pages and I find myself short. ArPen + AD, ArPen + AS, ArPen + MSPD, ArPen + AS + CDR/ level blues, MPen + MSPD, Mpen + AP yadayadayada. I could probably make 30+ if I had the pages for it.
Infernape (EUW)
: >Just one of you please reassure me you aren't about to like Yorick her? I'm not a rioter (unfortunately) but Diana's kit doesn't have the same problems Talon, Rengar, Katarina and LeBlanc's kits had, so I'm assuming that she is probably going to get smaller scale changes (like the ones Ekko, Shaco and Akali got). I'm guessing Aatrox will get large changes as will Nocturne.
> [{quoted}](name=FurorDivinus27,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=IxzNFy0m,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-24T22:18:07.988+0000) > > I'm not a rioter (unfortunately) but Diana's kit doesn't have the same problems Talon, Rengar, Katarina and LeBlanc's kits had, so I'm assuming that she is probably going to get smaller scale changes (like the ones Ekko, Shaco and Akali got). I'm guessing Aatrox will get large changes as will Nocturne. I hope not, Nocturne feels like one of the few assassins (I consider him an assassin and not a diver) that's actually genuinely balanced and fair. Main assassination tool on a significant CD, no CC unless you manage to stay close to your target for 2 seconds, no escapes. He's one of my mains and I really don't see what should be changed about him.
: Because if they kept him the way he was he'd be extremely oppressive and obnoxious with the stealth changes. Hell, he was pretty oppressive even before the changes.
> [{quoted}](name=The7thSeal,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=AQAw5yFV,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-24T20:30:19.337+0000) > > Because if they kept him the way he was he'd be extremely oppressive and obnoxious with the stealth changes. Hell, he was pretty oppressive even before the changes. He was also extremely feast or famine. With these changes there's at least a middle road if you do at least half-decently.
: [Question] Regarding Diana in the divers update:
Hard to say as Diana's niche is rather unclear. Is she a diver or assassin? Personally I see more of a durable AP brawler in her but most people play her as a glass cannon assassin and completely rely on surprise attacks and her W shield to survive.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Why is everyone in Bronze-Gold so obsessed with taking Baron or Elder instead of finishing the game?
They can be very valuable but you have to know when to take them and when to leave them. In my experience they are most valuable when you need to break through the inhibitor turrets as there the defending team has the biggest advantage and baron/ elder dragon give you the extra siege prowess to destroy them. After you've downed one or more inihibitor turrets it's often best to skip baron or dragon after a teamfight victory and push straight for the nexus. Although all of this also depends on the positioning of your and the enemy minion waves.
: Having autofill helps everyone, in previous seasons you weren't able to pick a role and had to ask politely or go with what you've got. Help everyone out and learn to play the roles, you might even learn to enjoy them.
> [{quoted}](name=Entity Rush,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=meIKO9Ed,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2016-11-24T13:09:59.224+0000) > > Having autofill helps everyone, in previous seasons you weren't able to pick a role and had to ask politely or go with what you've got. > > Help everyone out and learn to play the roles, you might even learn to enjoy them. Did that from S1 till S5, didn't work. I lack the mechanics for mid and ADC (and because that is caused by below average motor skills as a symptom of Asperger Syndrome it's not something I can learn through practice, hence I main champs with low mechanical requirements like Nocturne, Rek'Sai and Shyvana) and support simply does not appeal to me at all despite having had to play it a fair amount of times before S6.
duckarp (EUNE)
: As I've said, most of us don't have that luxury. We have kids and other responsibilities. Waiting for a single game for half an hour or even longer isn't acceptable at all. > I think I'll let the votes dictate who's wrong here. Because votes of the frustrated vocal minority will suddenly make you right, good one. Touché.
> [{quoted}](name=duckarp,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=meIKO9Ed,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-11-24T07:59:37.223+0000) > > As I've said, most of us don't have that luxury. We have kids and other responsibilities. Waiting for a single game for half an hour or even longer isn't acceptable at all. > > Because votes of the frustrated vocal minority will suddenly make you right, good one. Touché. And you think I don't have other responsibilities? I'm 30, not 13. If I have a very busy day with only one hour of free time there's no way in hell I'm going to spend that hour playing League because there's a way too high chance that shit goes south and I'm just going to waste that precious hour of peace and quiet. If there's no queue-dodgers there's a significant chance there's flamers or other trolls or the game is a roflstomp (I consider these unfun whether I'm on the winning or losing side) causing my time to be wasted despite having entered and finished a match. I'd also like to mention _your_ lack of empathy (as you accuse us of this a couple of posts below this one), because apparently it's not ok to let _you_ wait half an hour but it actually _is_ ok to let _me_ spend that same half hour playing a role I dislike.
duckarp (EUNE)
: A season back you had to know EVERY role at least decently to be able to climb as there was just a very simple draft pick. Since S6 we can specialize only in 2 (+occasionally support), yet suddenly it's a huge problem and people talk about dodges? Come on, grow up and get real. This is really ridiculous. > I'd happily wait half an hour I'm glad you have so much free time. The rest of us don't have that luxury.
> [{quoted}](name=duckarp,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=meIKO9Ed,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-23T23:32:51.170+0000) > > A season back you had to know EVERY role at least decently to be able to climb as there was just a very simple draft pick. Since S6 we can specialize only in 2 (+occasionally support), yet suddenly it's a huge problem and people talk about dodges? Come on, grow up and get real. This is really ridiculous. > > I'm glad you have so much free time. The rest of us don't have that luxury. I'd rather laze around on the web, watch youtube and/ or listen to music while I'm in the queue than play something I dislike.
: Disable autofill.
There's a reason I chose jungle and top. Because I either suck at or simply dislike the other roles. Therefore I don't want to be autofilled as support. Now I won't queue-dodge most of the time (unless I'm already a little edgy for whatever reason) but Rito forcing me to play something I dislike for 30+ minutes is just not cool. This isn't my job, I prefer to decide how to play League by myself.
Wex0r (EUW)
: Tank/fighter as adc to counter the new assasins ?
No one keeps you from buying Randuins vs. Rengar or Banshees vs. LB... The problem is no ADC ever buys these kind of things so the forums keep getting flooded with OMG RENGO OP threads.
: Her damage is downright retarded. Just got out of a game, where I as Fiddle (admittedly squishy) died near instantly to a Shyvana waiting in a brush around level 5 or 6. She doesnt even seem at all less tanky despite what the champ update said.
> [{quoted}](name=CupOfBleach,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=yhQ5ue56,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-11-22T19:03:50.300+0000) > > Her damage is downright retarded. > > Just got out of a game, where I as Fiddle (admittedly squishy) died near instantly to a Shyvana waiting in a brush around level 5 or 6. She doesnt even seem at all less tanky despite what the champ update said. Contrary to popular belief Shyvana actually does have very decent burst (but she also had that pre-rework... a level 6 REQ combo followed by 1 or 2 W ticks and AA's killed most squishies at that level) like most divers have. She's essentially a diver/ juggernaut hybrid that deals juggernaut- like damage but lacks the CC of a diver and the self-sustain/ healing that most juggernauts have. And no, at level 6 she's not much less tanky than pre-rework. In lategame there's a noticeable difference however, especially in human form. You can get back some of the resistances of the old passive but you have to kill dragons for that and even then you realistically will only get about 15-25, about half of what you used to have at level 16 dragon form (used to be 40 each).
Broodpaal (EUW)
: Shyvana rework. Riot telling us it is rain while they take a piss
The only things that have changed are that more of her power has been put in her dragon form while her human form and passive have been made weaker, and her E has been reworked into something better. Love the rework, dragon form now actually feels more powerful than human form instead of mostly being an aesthetic gap closer that gives you some bonus armor and MR. The only thing that probably needs some toning down is the initial explosion damage of dragon E, it does 350-400 damage baseline at level 13+ (assuming you level E after W, which you should now). That's just too much.
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