: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QZAEOKVR,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T13:48:47.835+0000) > > as i said, you are free to defend this system, i'll patiently wait untill all of the white knights will be inevitably punished by this faulty bot, i want to see how ok they will be with that. That's the thing. Wait. You won't have more information. The system won't submit to your whim. Or you can move on and play again. Don't wait for a random guy punishment. You don't care. You probably never see him again in game. So what's the matter?
it's not about one punishment, i already moved on from that (done my restriction and started my climb back to honor 3...hor i got jus moments before the punishment but i digress) it's about clarity. how can we follow murky rules? "oh, just don't flame" but nobody bothers to tell us what they mean by that and now, Eambo told us that the system "adapts" to what is reported the most. i don't do programming but that sounds even MORE exploitable than knowing every rule used (a group of summoners could, theoretically, make the system recognize positive things as flame). oh, and about grades, i don't mind being compared to other players but i'd like to see those players, see what they did so i can become better, but apparently it's too hard to do. we shouldn't be so passive about this, either we are spending money or not, we are still investing a lot of ourselves in this game, the least they could do is to be clear about the rules you have to follow
: Calling me a Son of a %%%%% is okay but saying he is an asshole for ruin my lane is more worse ?!
https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/QZAEOKVR-to-all-summoners join the club
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QZAEOKVR,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T13:37:20.403+0000) > > they didn't just flame, the told me to kill myself (which SHOULD be a 14 days ban) and wished my mother to die of cancer (a teensy bit worse of calling someone a moron) so, where are their punishments? So they flamed. You reported it, your job is done. You are in absolutely no right to take a decision on the punishment they should have. Then, as far as you can know, they might have been punished.
as i said, you are free to defend this system, i'll patiently wait untill all of the white knights will be inevitably punished by this faulty bot, i want to see how ok they will be with that.
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QZAEOKVR,comment-id=0005000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-21T13:22:36.459+0000) > > the fact that people are punished for "feeding" is the proof a bot is NOT efficient. But ok, you keep saying that, don't worry, just wait until you too will be punished for something you didn't do, i'm genuinely curious about what you will say then 1) How someone feeding being punished for feeding is a proof that the system is not working? 2) How someone not feeding being punished for feeding is a proof that the system is not working? Mistakes happen, that's why you have the support. 3) There are different bot, for different types of toxicity. You won't detect a feeder the same way you detect a flamer. And it's far easier to detect a flamer. You don't accidentally write an insult in a chat. 4) In 8 years of playing this game like a decent human being, I've never even have a warning. So far so good.
1) was he intentionally feeding? being camped all game and ending up 0/20 is different from running down a lane or juping in the middle of the enemy team alone, so tell me, are we going to be punished for not eing LCS material too? 2) if the system works then he shouldn't have been punished 3) and you know this because Riot told you, right? the same Riot that told us that "K y s" is an instant 14 days suspension when, in fact, it isn't? yes, let me trust those guys 4) only played since the end of season 6 but was always an honorable player with no warning as well, apparently i'm a flamer now, who knew.
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QZAEOKVR,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T13:24:28.609+0000) > > they weren't, i checked, no suspension was issued (they kept playing after that match) so if they aren't punished for breaking the rules, I shouldn't be either. you can't make a justice system that hinges on double standards Can't you play with a chat restrict?
they didn't just flame, the told me to kill myself (which SHOULD be a 14 days ban) and wished my mother to die of cancer (a teensy bit worse of calling someone a moron) so, where are their punishments?
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QZAEOKVR,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-21T13:18:37.819+0000) > > then tell me, why i got a chat restriction for calling someone a moron ONCE while the guys who told me to kill myself and the guy who wished my mother to get cancer are still there unpunished? oh, but they NEED PRIVACY! > I'm done excusing Riot, i demand to know what is the reasoning behind bans and punishments in general. You don't know if they were not punished you don't need to know. And you should not care and move on. When you're not stupid, no word can "hurt" you. And you being punished for having a punishable behavior is the proof that the system works. The reasoning is easy : you don't respect the rules, you are punished. How is that hard to understand.
they weren't, i checked, no suspension was issued (they kept playing after that match) so if they aren't punished for breaking the rules, I shouldn't be either. you can't make a justice system that hinges on double standards
: > [{quoted}](name=Omega Zephyris,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QZAEOKVR,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-05-21T13:15:33.047+0000) > > And you seriously think that a mindless bot should be able to decide who is wrong and who is right instead? At least there's a chance that tribunal players would think about what happened, instead of just checking a couple of numbers. Why not? With today technology, some tasks are better done by machines than humans. And often more efficiently.
the fact that people are punished for "feeding" is the proof a bot is NOT efficient. But ok, you keep saying that, don't worry, just wait until you too will be punished for something you didn't do, i'm genuinely curious about what you will say then
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=QZAEOKVR,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-21T12:47:45.085+0000) > > read the posts i linked, they explain why your 1) is a stupid statement > > my 2) and 3) are a direct consequence of Riot being shady on the report system, if they lied to us with that, they probably did the same with honor and grades, now i want to know EVERYTHING (and you should too) 1) is not stupid. If you don't try to play around the system, you won't have a problem. If you don't make a personal thing to see Bobby the other day insulting your mother in an online game and are able to report and move on or just ignore him, then you won't have a problem. The system is not perfect, the system has flaws, but no such system has ever been right for every one. Especially when some butthurt wants a perfectly random guy on the internet to be punished. 2 and 3) why do you think it's a lie and not an evolution? Why can't you think that maybe multiple statements can be true at different levels? You don't know everything and you will never know everything. Also, I assure you you don't WANT to know everything. Some things needs abstraction to work. And a lot of things needs some obfuscation to be useful. Not knowing how your grade is done is the only way for players to keep the only objective of the game in mind : the nexus.
then tell me, why i got a chat restriction for calling someone a moron ONCE while the guys who told me to kill myself and the guy who wished my mother to get cancer are still there unpunished? oh, but they NEED PRIVACY! I'm done excusing Riot, i demand to know what is the reasoning behind bans and punishments in general.
: 1) Behave like a decent human being? I mean, you're in a game, if what you have to say is neither nice nor usefull, then keep it for you. Add to that giving more information enable better way to avoid punishment. Trolling is hard to detect for the simple reason it's not possible to objectively define in term of logical statements. Notifying every time a player is punished is impossible due to privacy reasons. 2) Why? Just play well. It's not based on exact values, so why bother with exact values? Explain why you don't trust Riot on that? Do they have a specific evil plan to take over your sanity with use of grades on a game? 3) This "experience bar" might not be linear, so adding it might confused players more than anything else. Transparency is not always the solution.
read the posts i linked, they explain why your 1) is a stupid statement my 2) and 3) are a direct consequence of Riot being shady on the report system, if they lied to us with that, they probably did the same with honor and grades, now i want to know EVERYTHING (and you should too)
: ''If many players report someone for a certain type of toxicity, the system will adapt'' - Eambo ''report someone that makes you feel uncomfortable in the game'' - Message in the middle when the game is loading But also: ''Reporting someone that didn't do anything wrong according to the report system will lower your report value'' - IFS Even if someone didn't cooperate well with the team and he refused to listen to our advices, playing frontline as a squishy. Someone like that really lets me pull my hair out and dislike the game, yet I can't report him because he didn't flame and he didn't int. See where I am going?
i certainly do, that's why i'm making this post, we need to change things around here
: A doubtful penalty
I linked your post to mine https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/QZAEOKVR-to-all-summoners We have to stand our ground on these matters
CJXander (EUNE)
: Why do you ban Yasuo?
it's not much about the champion (he is fairly weak if you know what you are doing) but the players. they are arrogant and not very pleasant to have as an enemy OR an ally.
Rioter Comments
Cypherous (EUW)
: Yes i'm specifically referring to the item the OP is asking about, AoE's don't hit her either, but they still require you to be "near" them, the knights vow doesn't need you to be able to be targeted to damage you
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=kMENxsx2,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-18T16:13:45.227+0000) > > only if it's voiced by arnie himself If that's the case, i wanna keep the "where's my fishy fishy fish for my dishy dishy dish" , but with Arnie's voice xD
PUT THAT FISHY DOWN
CJXander (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=kMENxsx2,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-05-18T16:06:36.907+0000) > > we are talking about a magic cat flying on a magic book, what did you expect? quotes from "the terminator"? I think that would be sick! Just imagine a terminator voiced magical cat xD
only if it's voiced by arnie himself
CJXander (EUNE)
: About Yuumi
we are talking about a magic cat flying on a magic book, what did you expect? quotes from "the terminator"?
Cypherous (EUW)
: Right but being attached doesn't stop her taking damage from sources that don't have to "hit" her so no she would still take the damage, it isn't targeted its just an effect
nope, untargetable means she is immune to auras too https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Untargetability (so no sunfire cape and such) only wish and realm warp can target her
Cypherous (EUW)
: She will still take the damage, being untargettable doesn't prevent damage from things like that, its why she can still die to things like ignite etc
true but she needs to be detatched in order to be ignited (like the pole vaulting fizz i mentioned) still, i was more worried that would have been a loophole (i.e. poeple using knight's vow for a free 6% damage reduction on adc) she is already squishy enough as it is, she doesn't need bonus true damage coming from your own items {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: i already did it yesterday .. yes she does indeed soak the dmg even while in w and she gets healed by the linked ally dmg even if in w .. edit : but it is realy underwhelming .. i think buying 1 more ap item to give the + 10 more ad seems much more worth it most of the time
yeah it's what i feared, with her being ranged and all she won't do much with that thing
Rioter Comments
: Is petricite the strongest metal in Demacia?
petricite is stone, AFAIK the metal created USING pretricite is NOT as strong as regular steel but has the ability to absorb magic
: That is wrong. You are guaranteed an unowned skin. "you can re-roll shards to **guarantee a piece of content you don't own**" Source: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207884233-Hextech-Crafting-Guide {{sticker:sg-ahri-2}}
huh...didn't know that, the more you know i guess? also, thanks for the random downvote...
: as i said, i don't trust them anymore. for what it's worth, the whole system may be in place just to ban accounts that have a lot of skins to make them buy the skins again, or giving a lesser punishment to players who reguraly spend tons of money on the game ("unfortunately" i can't afford to spend 100+ euros each month on this thing). it's obvious now that they give conflicting informations and they do that WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE saying something about these things, otherwise it's radio silence and "oh we can't tell you that because...uh...privacy". what's next? Grades are actually RNG? honor is RNG? how can we trust them again now?
> [{quoted}](name=we4tggs,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=00020000000000010000000000000001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-16T16:21:05.991+0000) > > I don't understand the reason why they closed their accounts. I bought more than 100 skins when I came to Europe. This time it was because of a fight with racists. At least on Chinese servers, racists are virtually non-existent. > in fact don't know what tosay to you but, apparently, IF YOU REALLY don't mean the words you say, then it's ok to insult people here, even telling them to kill themselves is ok apparently, because you get "one free insult" apparently. Riot finally showed us what kind of company it really is, a bunch of double-standarded moneygrabbers
Madnasher (EUW)
: I initially got one chatlog. I contested it, and argued massively, I got told that what appears to have happened is I quoted a toxic player and that triggered the ban. I wasnt happy about this but being told that what i said is considered enough for a ban made me go ok. now I see this thread and I question Riot. its bullshit. > RarityIsBestIdol said this: > > Now, that being said, I had a look over your account, including reading through your recent chatlogs, and I'll have to be honest with you here, alright? The ban was indeed correctly placed... lemme explain why, though! > > So, the ban wasn't issued due to some specific terms only, it was also about your overall behavior in that game and in your recent games as well, you see. Basically, constantly complaining about stuff and arguing, not to mention continuously using remarks such as "ah you can %%%% off too", "you braindead idiot", "%%%%ing moron", "idiots", is considered harassing and it's another form of negative behavior. Please do keep in mind that there's a difference between offering constructive feedback and constantly bothering other players about they play. > > Now, trust me, I know you were provoked and things weren't going your way (I can see that you had a pretty rough game, it happens), but still, responding like this isn't okay either... getting into an argument with another player will do nothing but make things worse. It won't make your teammates perform any better, and most often that not, pointing out their mistakes will have the opposite effect. When I pressed him about what other games, and asked for something of substance to be provided I got this: > Cyrenena: > > It looks like the present 2 week suspension on your account was triggered because you quoted a toxic player in the chat, and while in such cases we'd have unbanned the account, we decided that in this particular case the suspension will have to stay. > > This is because, after investigating your past chat logs (common procedure for these cases) we have found multiple instances in which you have displayed an overly-negative attitude - complaining about others, berating them for mistakes, asking for reports and insulting others are not behaviors we approve of, because they ruin everyone's experience. We want LoL to be driven by a spirit of fun and fair play, and when either of these elements gets messed up, everyone realizes the game ahead of them will be a "wreck". Now we have this from Eambo: > > "Death wish" and "Death threat" are not the same thing. I don't work in Player Support however looking at your logs, I believe "Go and play in traffic" by itself may not have warranted an immediate 14 day suspension, although there is heavy implication there of wishing someone harm. > > However this, coupled with your aggressive and jerkish behaviour (can't think of a nicer term for it, sorry) would've been the reasons for this. Sometimes people may use the terms death threat/death wish interchangeably, but at it's core there's a difference. One is a threat, the other is not. Both are unwelcome. So was I deserving of a 14 day ban? not really, not from what Ive seen here and the 'justifications' Ive had. Especially considering there is a player who wished cancer on me who if they were punished received a chat ban only. There is literally no way in hell this is acceptable to me now. And now, I get to sit here and know if i have one bad day and tell someone to %%%% off, then my account can be perma banned forever.
as i said, i don't trust them anymore. for what it's worth, the whole system may be in place just to ban accounts that have a lot of skins to make them buy the skins again, or giving a lesser punishment to players who reguraly spend tons of money on the game ("unfortunately" i can't afford to spend 100+ euros each month on this thing). it's obvious now that they give conflicting informations and they do that WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE saying something about these things, otherwise it's radio silence and "oh we can't tell you that because...uh...privacy". what's next? Grades are actually RNG? honor is RNG? how can we trust them again now?
: It is and it isn't, report calling; omg report my f###ing jungler he's so bad (When jungler goes 0/3/0 is different to, Damn this 4v5 we're opening pls 9* this Sona (when the sona afks at min 3)
true, to be honest the full message i got punished for was "let's just go and report this moron" (referred to the jungler (who actually was a moron and was actively trolling us)
Madnasher (EUW)
: Oh I was being a bit of a jerk, there isnt anything to contend that. My original log had nothing but me swearing at people and being passionate yet obviously in a bad mood. When I challenged support about it i was told that other logs have shown that I was being aggressive and probably needed to chill. After much pressure I was presented with 6 games of chat logs of which the only thing i see that was MAYBE deserving of a ban was the 'go play in traffic' because it was deemed a death wish. The rest just looked like I would be deserving of a chat ban and a warning. I do feel, especially after reading here, that having the 14 day ban (and thus now being on the verge of a perma ban for any transgression) that it was incredibly unfair. Especially given that Ive not had a punishment or warning at all (maybe a leaver buster once when I had bad internet) in the entire time I have been playing. What compounds it even more is that there is a player who wished cancer upon myself and said he fornicated my mother that hard that she got cancer, who by watching his op.gg has not had a single day off playing so was not banned at all. Balanced? No. Unfair? Definitely.
and again, i can't stress this enough, you got 6 games of chat logs, i got ONE game and a rioter who told me "ONE report in ONE game is enough" so, why the hell are they even presenting you multiple games if ONE is enough? From this day forward, i won't belive anything riot says, they lost my trust for good
: noooooo, there CAN'T be a FAQ on that, having a FAQ and explaining how the system works would point out LOOPHOLES that players would EXPLOIT...not like people are already exploiting it now... this is literally their excuse for everything {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
yeah but they always answer the same thing "we can't explain the system or else it will be exploited" same as "we can't tell you how to get an S or else it will be exploited". they don't WANT you to understand how this works, they would lose all the leverage they have.
PillCo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=yYZramgT,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-05-16T00:09:27.790+0000) > > i completed the mission, no orb in sight... same, played a few games, still no orb.
according to eambo (and take it with a grain of salt since i'm not trusting riot anymore since this thread came up https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/J77Zj0s1-so-it-turns-out-riot-is-fairly-arbitrary-in-punishments ) we need to wait for them to release another mission that will give us the orb.
Shamose (EUW)
: > Players who already completed their Silver mission will also have a chance to earn an orb This is the only info given. Until Riot clarifies this no one knows.
i completed the mission, no orb in sight...
: dude sorry but i dont care about you and I don't give two shits about how you handle your anger was just talking with what i assume is a rioter about the system no more no less
furthermore, there are people more prone to anger than others, apparently these concepts aren't as well known as one would think. still i doubt Riot will say anything else in this regard. we kinda pulled the tarp from this thing and they need to think about a plausible excuse to pacify the moneybags and get them to spend again {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: Out of curiosity is there an FAQ, or some kind of tech sheet that goes into better detail about how the system works, what accumulates, what is a major/minor infraction and how long these things take drop off etc?
noooooo, there CAN'T be a FAQ on that, having a FAQ and explaining how the system works would point out LOOPHOLES that players would EXPLOIT...not like people are already exploiting it now... this is literally their excuse for everything {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: So, This video came out and I believe that might be a sliiiiight problem with Yuumi
i tried her yesterday with my brother in voice chat, most of what ross said is true, she needs A LOT of coordination and adcs that move too much (like my brother yesterday who picked draven) are a big nono for her. for the first time, i feel like a champion isn't overpowered from the start. she could use some love for her Q, not necessairly giving her splash damage but removing the distance limit and only sticking to the duration time would be nice
: riot doesn't want its playerbase to look bad so while most of us are toxic it will only ban few of us because it looks for scapegoats to make its ban system "effective"
or leave those who pay more, there is that possibility too at this point
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=00020000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T10:07:34.637+0000) > > then you just created a LOOPHOLE. people CAN flame and go unpunished if they "don't say anything bad" after that one. oh, and to answer your " what if someone ASK what those letters mean?" you can just ADD AN EXCEPTION. or several, in order to cover the most "common" questions people might have > "what does [3 letters] mean?" > "what does [3 letters] mean" > "what doe [3 letters] mean?" > and so on. > we are not talking about a small thing, it's emotionally taxing for a kid and you can't just dismiss it as "oh well, ifsomeone INNOCENTLY asks what it means we can't ban them" > name one person who genuinely asked those questions. ONE. > seriously, either fix this thing or bring back the tribunal, slow justice is better than faulty justice! > oh and i'm still waiting for the bans to all the people who wished my mother cancer and told me to off myself. but, no, they are ok, because I said MORON to a MORON. > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}} I'm not sure if you haven't read or are just choosing to ignore other things I've said, but to make it amply clear here: - I'm talking a situation where someone has no record of being a jerk, is never a jerk after, and the only thing they've ever said once is "%%%". This is highly unlikely to get you an instant 14 day suspension, but may result in a lower punishment (chat restriction) or put you very very close to 14 day suspension on further misbehaviour - You can always contact support for a manual investigation. They cannot share the outcome, but they can manually check it - These are extremely unlikely scenarios. Generally speaking, in a majority of cases, %%% is going to earn you a 14 day suspension or a permaban. I'm here to talk edge cases and weird scenarios, rather than the defacto punishment and how things "normally" work. You seem to be taking my post as "This is how it works all the time, every time", which is not the case whatsoever. %%% is **almost** always a punishment of some form.
and you are ignoring the fact that, every time someone complained, it was dismissed as "that insult is an instant 14 day suspension" if there is even an extremely unlikely scenario where that isn't the case, then it's not "an instant 14 day suspension". please, fix your system because contacting support does nothing (i did, the guys are still there)
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T09:57:02.023+0000) > > soooo....all those times people complained about beingbanned and either a red or green name came and said "k y s is an instant 14 day ban" was just a lie? > also, wasn't i the 20th offender in my game since i only called a guy a moron in ONE game? did i have any other "strikes"? if so, where were them? > You guys screwed up and you know it, people are finally catching on your scams and now you are backpedaling like crazy. Generally speaking, you don't say "%%%" without other offens%%% terms in there, or repeating of it. %%% is considered a zero %%%erance term, but it's not "the moment you say it you get an instaban" - it's just a very very high risk word in that regard. You're much more likely to be suspended from 0 punishments for saying "%%%" than "stfu" for exam%%%. Also to clarify, I'm talking about instant suspensions here with literally no punishment record or bad behaviour. If you got instantly suspended for calling someone a moron in one game, I'd be very surprised. Chat restriction? Possible. Insta 14 day? Something's wrong there. Edit: I also want to make it very clear because people do like to take things out of context. %%% isn't okay. It isn't something you should say, and generally speaking, it's going to get you banned. I'm purely discussing the edge case where someone has never done anything wrong, never been a jerk, and says "%%%" once. This is very unlikely to instantly be a 14-day suspension, but may result in other punishments (such as chat restrictions), or put them dangerously close to a 14 day suspension for any further bad behaviour.
then you just created a LOOPHOLE. people CAN flame and go unpunished if they "don't say anything bad" after that one. oh, and to answer your " what if someone ASK what those letters mean?" you can just ADD AN EXCEPTION. or several, in order to cover the most "common" questions people might have "what does [3 letters] mean?" "what does [3 letters] mean" "what doe [3 letters] mean?" and so on. we are not talking about a small thing, it's emotionally taxing for a kid and you can't just dismiss it as "oh well, ifsomeone INNOCENTLY asks what it means we can't ban them" name one person who genuinely asked those questions. ONE. seriously, either fix this thing or bring back the tribunal, slow justice is better than faulty justice! oh and i'm still waiting for the bans to all the people who wished my mother cancer and told me to off myself. but, no, they are ok, because I said MORON to a MORON. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-unamused}}
: Okay so saying %%% in chat won't get you banned, but riot will think about it in future. So if a player gets a bit of bad luck and gets told ten games in a row to kill themselves for picking their new favourite cat, riot will definitely consider possibly punishing those players, but while those players are now on riots naughty list there is potentially a 15 year old being told repeatedly to kill themself over and over, and when that person hits their report button they get no notification of "Hey those guys were assholes you keep being your katty self" just a sense that life continues and if you want to be on the league platform you'll deal with it. Extreme example I know, but not beyond the realms of possibility, I know you haven't investigated this/have no personal knowledge, however I can say without typing in chat I was essentially told "hey guys let's dodge" "this yuumi omfg" "Hey Yuumi %%%" after this I called him a piece of shit. (Negative behaviour I know pls dont ban me but just for full disclosure.) I am okay with being banned for saying %%% in chat, because actually, you know what, teenagers play this game and suicide is horrific, I just don't understand why riot doesn't have a blanket ban on telling people to kill themselves. Unless it is 100% a joke made to a friend, I would like to see riot step up to the mark, surely the 14 day suspension is the warning for typing %%%?
Riot instant report in a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaXigSu72A4
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T09:17:26.580+0000) > > Okay so saying %%% in chat won't get you banned, but riot will think about it in future. > > So if a player gets a bit of bad luck and gets told ten games in a row to kill themselves for picking their new favourite cat, riot will definitely consider possibly punishing those players, but while those players are now on riots naughty list there is potentially a 15 year old being told repeatedly to kill themself over and over, and when that person hits their report button they get no notification of "Hey those guys were assholes you keep being your katty self" just a sense that life continues and if you want to be on the league platform you'll deal with it. > > Extreme example I know, but not beyond the realms of possibility, I know you haven't investigated this/have no personal knowledge, however I can say without typing in chat I was essentially told "hey guys let's dodge" "this yuumi omfg" "Hey Yuumi %%%" after this I called him a piece of shit. (Negative behaviour I know pls dont ban me but just for full disclosure.) > > I am okay with being banned for saying %%% in chat, because actually, you know what, teenagers play this game and suicide is horrific, I just don't understand why riot doesn't have a blanket ban on telling people to kill themselves. Unless it is 100% a joke made to a friend, I would like to see riot step up to the mark, surely the 14 day suspension is the warning for typing %%%? Again the systems have a limited amount of tolerance built in. For example it would really suck (plus add a bunch of false positives) to ban someone for saying "What does %%% mean?" who genuinely doesn't know. It's very unlikely you ask that question 2 times, or 3 times. It's very possible that your example could manifest with a serious amount of bad luck - while it absolutely is not a pleasant experience for that one player, other players should not be punished because of what previous players said. A less extreme example, if 20 people in a row tell you you suck at the game and should uninstall - that's gonna feel pretty bad. Should the 20th person get a punishment for that because 19 entirely different people said the same thing? Especially if that player has never had a single mark against them, it would feel pretty bad. Saying %%% in any form is going to put you riskily close to suspension - but it doesn't always instantly manifest in that. As mentioned we have a support team who can manually investigate and make calls, but the main purpose for an element of flexibility is to prevent being overzealous in suspensions for cases like I mentioned - the mere mention of zero tolerance words would result in an instant suspension, resulting in a lot of people being suspended for genuine questions like "what does %%% mean?"
soooo....all those times people complained about beingbanned and either a red or green name came and said "k y s is an instant 14 day ban" was just a lie? also, wasn't i the 20th offender in my game since i only called a guy a moron in ONE game? did i have any other "strikes"? if so, where were them? You guys screwed up and you know it, people are finally catching on your scams and now you are backpedaling like crazy.
: > [{quoted}](name=MirirLightHammer,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=0001000100000001,timestamp=2019-05-15T08:16:11.265+0000) > > tribunal was stupid too (and even worse) because they got IP for every "confirmed punishment", i'll let you connect the dots on your own. > also, i just checked, not only the latest of my games where someone told me to kay myself is "mysteriously" not present in my match history, but the guy kept playing until 2 days AFTER the offense. meaning that: > A) he was let go scott-free or > B) his ban inexplicably took 2 days to take effect (again, "moron"= insta 10 day restriction) > > you know what i'm starting to think? the whole "you won't receive a notification EVERY time someone gets punished for privacy/BS reasoning" is more on the line of "you WILL receive a notification every time someone gets punished, it's just that not everyone IS punished" Well I don't know about how effective the Tribunal was but you didn't get IP for punishment, you got IP for doing reviews. You could vote no punishment for everyone and you would still get IP. But in either case, the point is that today, every ban case is hearsay. There is no factual information that we are looking at. Every chat log posted, every complaint and story we hear of injustice, we heard all of those during Tribunals, but we could see people were totally full of it. Today we get the same story but no actual reliable information. No one has seen a real chat log since the Tribunal has been closed down. You seriously underestimate how full of it people actually are. During the Tirbunal days, if you were banned and came to the forum, the only conversation you could have and the only way you had any credibility whatsoever was if you posted your Tribunal report. It shut down hard these sort of "I didn't do anything wrong" conversations. The OP is full of it until he can come up with evidence that supports his story, right now we just have his word and frankly.... it's worth nothing. I have had an account for nearly 9 years, same one. Never once have I ever been so much as warned let alone chat restricted or banned. NEVER. Everyone makes it sound so difficult not to be an D-bag to people in chat, as if it's some sort of magic trick.
you also have mine and i have screenshots...which i CAN'T post because that would be naming and shaming, god these rules are stupid. also, if the tribunal thing is like you said (i started playing after they removed it) then that is another lie from riot as the word is "they removed it because it was slow and biased"
: Bring back tribunal, at least mob justice was subject to scrutiny.
tribunal was stupid too (and even worse) because they got IP for every "confirmed punishment", i'll let you connect the dots on your own. also, i just checked, not only the latest of my games where someone told me to kay myself is "mysteriously" not present in my match history, but the guy kept playing until 2 days AFTER the offense. meaning that: A) he was let go scott-free or B) his ban inexplicably took 2 days to take effect (again, "moron"= insta 10 day restriction) you know what i'm starting to think? the whole "you won't receive a notification EVERY time someone gets punished for privacy/BS reasoning" is more on the line of "you WILL receive a notification every time someone gets punished, it's just that not everyone IS punished"
: Ok lets have some truth here because your story does not add up. 1. You didn't get a 14 day suspension first, you got a chat ban first right? Yeah, I would bet my house on it. 2. You are most likely a repeat offender unless your toxicity was out of this world bad. Telling someone to go F themselves isn't going to get you banned until you do it a lot and get multiple reports and even then you get chat banned as a warning. 3. Which brings us to "the other guy". Now most likely he didn't get banned because you reported him for three likely reason. First, he might not be a repeat offender so a single report will do nothing. Second, he might have gotten chat restricted which would not prevent him from playing and third, since you are a toxic player and got a 14 day ban, I'm going to go ahead and guess your totally full of it. It used to be (and might still be) that when players with poor reputations on their account report, its less effective or not effective at all when they do reporting. Another words, if your account is in poor standing, your reports might not have any weight against someone else. This is how the system used to work and I have never seen RIOT come out and say otherwise, I could be wrong.
that's actually a stupid statement. don't get me wrong, they WANT you to believe what you just said buuuuut...i got a 10 games chat restriction for calling my jungler "moron" once as he was farming raptors and waited for me to die to then jump in the middle of an enemy push and dying too (i understand i might be hostile to him but even the rioter only pulled out the "moron" in my ticket so i assume that's the offending part). i only got one chatlog for that, while everyone knows that people get up to 3 chatlogs worth of insults when they make those "unban me" posts. so, i wrote a ticket, the rioter dismissed me with "if you break the rules NO MATTER IF YOU GET REPORTED ONCE OR A HUNDRED TIMES you get the punishment" and "ONE report in ONE game is enough for the punishment". now, i want to add that i too met people who told me to "take a break from life" and i reported them...lo and behold, they are still around, they didn't even get a 14 days suspension as they kept playing after the report and, IF ME CALLING SOMEONE A MORON GAVE ME MY PUNISHMENT THE MOMENT I STEPPED OUT OF THE GAME, i see no reason why THEIR punishment couldn't be as quick as mine. oh, and before you ask, YES i was a first offender, only one chatlog from someone who got honor 5 every season since the honor rework and often was deemed the "most honorable" so, yeah, Riot is full of BS. So, i think i know how this thing works now. the bot does something more than checking your chatlog, it checks your PURCHASE HISTORY.if the reported player spends more than a set amount of money in x months, he will either get a lighter punishment or none at all, simple as that. If this isn't the case then, please, explain to me why there are so many differences in the bans? was me calling a guy a moron equal to THREE GAMES OF HEAVY INSULTS? was the "moron" more offensive than the "kay way es"? until riot gives us PRECISE explainations on why in the nine hells the reports are so flunky, i'll stick to my "THE GUY GIVES US MONEY, LEAVE HIM BE" theory.
itsnonor (EUW)
: Yuumi can't be purchased
she is NOT AVAILABLE YET. it ALWAYS takes a couple of days for a champion to be released, JESUS.
Caban (EUW)
: Wassup with Clash
thank God NO NEWS.
: I really don't get what's up with all the hate on the late seasons of GoT. The early seasons were just as bad, it just wasn't as obvious back then. This outcome was inevitable from the get-go due to the whole series being built on the foundation of sand that is Martin's approach to storytelling. Martin is a mediocre author at best and his crippling inability to fashion and structure an actual plot would inevitably lead to this outcome. He didn't start writing with an actual ending in mind, and now that the series needs to come to a close, the showrunners are left with the inescapable catastrophe of trying to tie up a thousand loose ends that were never meant to converge.
season 5 was the last one they had books to adapt from, after that it became increasingly more obvious that D&D can adapt but can't write for themselves. Season 8 was the pinnacle of this, they pulled a last jedi and decided to "brilliantly" subvert our expectations, shoving 8 years of plot down the drain. 8x03 was idiotic, characters acted "for the plot" instead of "for themselves". even if martin dowsn't have a proper ending they could still have invented something on the same lines, but no, they went online, looked at what the "fans" wanted and just made it all happen. i'm not a kingjoffrey so i'll avoid spoilers as much as possible but the writing is something along this lines: "oh, the fans want these two characters to bang" "let's make them bang" "they also want one of those characters to do something in a particular place that's MILES away from where they banged" "oh, let's have that character change its mind for no reason and go to said place" "fans like THIS character" "let's have THIS character do THIS thing even if we have set up THAT OTHER character to do THAT thing" "who cares, let's put some epic music and have THAT character do it while THAT OTHER character does nothing" "we need a way for SOMEONE to be on equal grounds of THE OTHER ONE" "Let's make THE OTHER ONE a moron for this episode and have her KINDA FORGET THAT A THING EXISTS so that thing can equalize the battle" "BRILLIANT" i admit it, martin isn't shakespear (he killed more characters than martin) but at least he is consistent. D&D arecompletely incompetent and are just trying to rush the series to an end so they can move on.
Vegito101 (EUNE)
: What is worst LOL season 9 or GoT season 8
GoT season 8...or maybe we should call it...SEASON HATE? seriously, i've never seen someone screw up a franchise like those guys (and kathleen kennedy)
: Yeah manaless champions can’t use it and I hate that they changed that (didn’t use to be the case, so I used to buy it on zac or mundo a lot), but anyone tank who can use it should rush it if the matchup permits. As for adaptive Its a great item when laning vs {{champion:31}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:74}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:43}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:85}} {{champion:57}} {{champion:82}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:516}} {{champion:68}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:35}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:517}} {{champion:223}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:19}} and that’s just top laners... like I said most true tanks deal small but continuous amounts of magic damage within their kit, so an adaptive helm gives you an edge in 1v1s. But besides these match ups it’s more for if you are dying to magic damage, due to how burst works you can usually just get health and any kind of magic resist and you will be immune to them, but battle mages who are dps rather than burst are a massive threat especially if they itemise against you... at which point adaptive helm is honestly one of the best items in the game imo.
true, i have both adaptive and abyssal in my poppy build...they are there...i never actually have to use them...again, maybe i'm just lucky XD
: It’s something I’ve been suggesting for a while now and besides the obligatory using rank to ignore what I’ve said I’ve yet to find anyone who has a valid reason why it wouldn’t work... same with things like grevious wounds they are unhealthy because it’s pretty much the only thing in the game that you can’t counter or itemise against, there’s no correct answer to them... by giving them a skill component you prevent tanks being unkillable while allowing the tank to outplay. Like legitimately with the right tweaking there isn’t a downside to this, at least not one I’ve seen.
they discard this because yasuo mains would need to remember to use an ACTIVE EFFECT {{sticker:sg-miss-fortune}}
: The items themselves don’t suck... adaptive is niche but impactful, omen is great vs adcs (they don’t take conquerer), mask is good for a first purchase to help win lane or to assist a fed magic threat, gargoyle is the best thing tanks got for years (and only thing tbh), zz’rot is a split push item so is more for fighters, plus you forgot thornmail and sun fire both solid items. Honestly only outright bad tank item is ohmwreaker but we’ve known that for years, why shut a tower down when a tank can just tank it. The problem is anti tank options... a simple purchase can wipe out up to 3000 gold worth of stats with no counter play, nothing a tank can do about it they are forced to play on less items than even the support. Not to mention conquerer or champions like vayne. Tank items don’t honestly need a rework... but if anti tank got a rework where it was windowed (say activate item for 5 seconds of ignoring 50% armour, on a 90 sec cooldown) it becomes a skill check, it adds depth to playing tanks and makes countering tanks possible and fair on both sides.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=oXYOTyvR,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2019-05-11T16:04:24.256+0000) > > The problem is anti tank options... a simple purchase can wipe out up to 3000 gold worth of stats with no counter play, nothing a tank can do about it they are forced to play on less items than even the support. Not to mention conquerer or champions like vayne. > > Tank items don’t honestly need a rework... but if anti tank got a rework where it was windowed (say activate item for 5 seconds of ignoring 50% armour, on a 90 sec cooldown) it becomes a skill check, it adds depth to playing tanks and makes countering tanks possible and fair on both sides. this....this could actually be a good thing.
: Vlad, singed, ryze and hiemer are all top laners as well... adaptive helm is the single best item for surviving against these champions as it can’t be reduced by magic pen. It can also be picked against several top lane tanks if your looking for a one and done item to be able to win wet noodle fights vs them. Stat wise it’s only a little bit worse than spirit visage, but if there is a single damage threat on the enemy team who can be affected by adaptive helm it’s worth it, unless you have heavy amounts of self healing. Don’t forget tanks are teamfighters, while you might be facing against a top laner a lot you should itemise for the whole team, no point building full armour vs a top laner then dying instantly to a magic damage threat like ryze.... if you’ve got a single magic threat which uses low cooldown abilities or dps then adaptive is a hell of a lot better than spirit
there is still the fact of the mana (i play mainly garen toplane or occasionally nautilus in which case i build abyssal) but yeah, if the team has that kind of casters adaptive could be useful. also, call me lucky but i've never found them top so far, sometimes i found a ziggs, teemo but never those guys :\
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: nautilus
you didn't even play him, why are you complaining about him being bad?
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