: Bronze is already proven to be elo hell before more than 4 years ago
**ELO Hell is real, but misunderstood. Math!** For starters, let's define what "ELO Hell" even means. I'm going to define it (and feel free to disagree with my definition) as the following: "The inability of someone ranked in a league below their actual skill level to progress to higher leagues due to the poor play of their teammates." So, using that definition, how do we know if someone is really better than the league they're in? For our purposes here, we can't get proof, but a 60% win-rate is pretty solid evidence that someone is much better than their current ELO might suggest. Most pros don't manage a win-rate much higher than that, so that's what we'll go with. Knowing that, we can assume that our poor trapped soul should have only a 40% chance of losing each game he plays. Individual games may swing wildly, but it should eventually average out to a 40% loss rate. This makes sense if you think about it - you have a 50% chance to win the game considering all skill is equal, but remove 10% from one side for our ELO-Hell trapped player and move it to his team for a solid 60% / 40% split. After some googling, I was able to come up with a number that suggests there are roughly ~5,000,000 (at least) games of League every day (numbers as of 2014, certainly much higher now). We're going to assume our player plays 1 game out of those 5,000,000 every day for 10 days. So, let's look at some numbers. There's a 40% chance for 1 loss, so we would expect 2,000,000 people every day to experience it. (5,000,000 * 0.4) = 2,000,000 Nothing crazy, right? Let's continue. There's a 16% chance (40% * 40%) for 2 losses in a row, so we would expect 800,000 people. There's a 6.4% chance (40% * 40% * 40%) for 3 losses in a row, so we would expect 320,000 people. There's a 2.56% chance (40% * 40% * 40% * 40%) for 4 losses in a row, so we would expect 128,000 people. There's a 1.02% chance (40%5) for 5 losses in a row, so we would expect 51,200 people to experience it. Let's pause for a second. These numbers say that we should fully expect over 50,000 people to lose 5 games in a row through no fault of their own. I think that's pretty rough even for the heartiest of LoL players, but let's keep going. There's a 0.41% chance (40%6) for 6 losses in a row, so we would expect 20,480 people. There's a 0.16% chance (40%7) for 7 losses in a row, so we would expect 8,192 people. There's a 0.07% chance (40%8) for 8 losses in a row, so we would expect 3,277 people. There's a 0.026% chance (40%9) for 9 losses in a row, so we would expect 1,311 people. There's a 0.01% chance (40%10) for 10 losses in a row, so we would expect 524 people. Ok, let's pause again. So, mathematically speaking, at this point we should expect 500 people to lose 10 games in a row through no fault of their own. I think I would consider myself firmly in ELO hell by this point. We could continue, but I think we all get where this is going. So what does all of this mean? Simply put, ELO hell can and does exist - in the short term. And that's the key. "ELO hell", as it's called, will eventually vanish after many games, but it needs to be recognized that it can take dozens, or even hundreds of games to truly rule out any "ELO hell" effects. Statistics more than allows for you to lose 10+ games in a row through no fault of your own. TL;DR - "ELO Hell" is real, but is erased over long averages. If you sit down to play LoL and lose 8 games in a row, the most important thing you can do is keep playing, and don't give up! Bonus side note - 5 poor, unlucky souls could lose 15 straight games, with none of it their fault!
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Gr8m8er (EUW)
: Its obvious he's trolling lool
> [{quoted}](name=Gr8m8er,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=vwZ0Ou5R,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-11-03T10:38:09.973+0000) > > Its obvious he's trolling lool i'm not trolling, check the stats in the screenshot. then talk.
: 53% Fizz winrate in gold V. do remember you are playing vs Gold V players. its like a player being the best by having a 90% winrate in bronze.. doesn't mean much.
> [{quoted}](name=Skylinez33,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=vwZ0Ou5R,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-11-03T03:09:24.916+0000) > > 53% Fizz winrate in gold V. > > do remember you are playing vs Gold V players. > > its like a player being the best by having a 90% winrate in bronze.. doesn't mean much. I'm g5 because i played Nasus a lot. If I played only Fizz i would be challenger 5
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: Arent you supposed to be done with lol. You're just trolling the boards. Will of the anctiens doesnt exist in the game anymore and that's not how match history looks like.
> [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=vwZ0Ou5R,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-11-03T07:10:05.125+0000) > > Arent you supposed to be done with lol. > You're just trolling the boards. > > Will of the anctiens doesnt exist in the game anymore and that's not how match history looks like. wtf? will of the ancients is removed??
: Another proof that i'm best fizz eu
: second game i left in a row
I love smurfing in low bronze as Nasus... and i enjoy when my team is doing that and enemy think that they will win... and then i just 1v5 them
: How to climb elo!
Pay for elo boost - easiest way
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Gr8m8er (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Mischief Maker,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FbxF2Ak2,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-01T14:38:50.038+0000) > > good KDA, good farm. 154 cs in 24 cs is not bad. not the best kda, 154 cs in 24 mins in pretty bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Gr8m8er,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FbxF2Ak2,comment-id=000200000002,timestamp=2016-11-02T07:47:37.228+0000) > > not the best kda, 154 cs in 24 mins in pretty bad. It's normal CS for a mid laner. I've seen diamond mid laners with less cs than that in 24 mins
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: It actually is bad For a gold fizz its ok but not good either for example 200 cs at that point would be good And i doubt that you have several 200 at 20 min cs games
> [{quoted}](name=D4RKEVA,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FbxF2Ak2,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2016-11-01T16:21:49.223+0000) > > It actually is bad > > For a gold fizz its ok but not good either > > > for example 200 cs at that point would be good > > And i doubt that you have several 200 at 20 min cs games It depens on elo. For example in gold if you're playing mid is hard to get 200 cs in 20 min because bot lane start taking your cs at 15 minutes of the game.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: You are gold 5 with a negative winrate NO you wont reach diamond even if you spammed ranked(unless you heavily improved) you also played 191 rankeds which is easily enough to make valid proof that its even hard for you where you are at also compare your stats (in gold vs gold players on fizz) vs stats of diamond or even master fizz players in master(their are better) http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUW/Mischief%20Maker/champions as best fizz or even top 1000 you would win WAY more and had way better stats
> [{quoted}](name=D4RKEVA,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FbxF2Ak2,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-01T16:24:16.880+0000) > > You are gold 5 with a negative winrate NO you wont reach diamond even if you spammed ranked(unless you heavily improved) you also played 191 rankeds which is easily enough to make valid proof that its even hard for you where you are at > > > also compare your stats (in gold vs gold players on fizz) vs stats of diamond or even master fizz players in master(their are better) > > http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/EUW/Mischief%20Maker/champions > > as best fizz or even top 1000 you would win WAY more and had way better stats Yeah but if u look at my stats in s4 and s5 u will see that i had positive los/win rate. Don't look only at this season that i played after a year break. It's like looking someone life not from the day when he is born instead looking things that he did only when he turned 70 and die.
Smerk (EUW)
: I don't want to laugh at you, but come on dude, your claims wouldn't sound as silly if you was at least diamond, but in gold your results mean nothing
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FbxF2Ak2,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-01T15:45:29.369+0000) > > I don't want to laugh at you, but come on dude, your claims wouldn't sound as silly if you was at least diamond, but in gold your results mean nothing I would be diamond for sure if i played this game every day but i didn't. I probably won't play again (i didn't play since july) and i also had many breaks when i played LoL - main reason why i didn't leave gold. When i started playing this game i was placed in bronze 5 and in only 3 months i improved my gameplay and reached g1
Smerk (EUW)
: Not bad for a gold, but not good enough for best Fizz EUW
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FbxF2Ak2,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-11-01T14:56:27.619+0000) > > Not bad for a gold, but not good enough for best Fizz EUW that is one game, i also had games where i had like 200 cs in 20 minutes. also i was gold this season, in s4 for example i was gold 1 and 4 times in a row plat promos and then i fall to g5 in the end of season because of tilt.
Smerk (EUW)
: kinda bad proof, only one game with not the best KDA and mediocre farm
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=FbxF2Ak2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-11-01T14:09:10.423+0000) > > kinda bad proof, only one game with not the best KDA and mediocre farm good KDA, good farm. 154 cs in 24 cs is not bad.
: I'm best Fizz EUW - proof
: Dear smurfs! If you can't reach higher level than you actually are, don't ruin lower people's game
Beating a bronze is like a 25 years old man beating a 3 year old child.
Rioter Comments
: What can you actually do when you get camped and your jungler does nothing?
: should I link j4senovac i gr4diska st4ra ? This is league board not war board
> [{quoted}](name=klejdi unstopabl,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=izQlJqpE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-21T21:14:26.046+0000) > > should I link j4senovac i gr4diska st4ra ? This is league board not war board this is a meme not a hate thread. this vid is a parody loop of a serbian singer miro semberac "momcilo" who looks like an idiot in his 90s war military music video.
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: Commando Jarvan confirmed
Thompson is a band from Croatia that is forbidden in whole Europe because of their salute "for homeland ready" which is considered as a nazi salute by all governments in Europe.
: New remove kebab song from ex Yugoslavia
_Racism is not permitted and this is of poor taste. Please take this as your one and final warning that this type of content is not allowed._ How on earth is any of this racism?
Najns (EUW)
: Again? You posted the same thing about an hour ago.
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=26e1euVW,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-20T19:32:51.028+0000) > > Again? You posted the same thing about an hour ago. title was kinda abusive last time
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: Warning! It prohibits in the most absolute way you find yourself in the public and in the streets of Vodnjan you sing or speak in Slavonic. Even in the shops of any kind should be a good time endeavored ONLY ITALIAN LANGUAGE We the squad, with persuasive methods, we will comply with this order. ___ What did I just read lol
> [{quoted}](name=Mecha Syrena,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=tOzQogwa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-19T10:32:08.257+0000) > > Warning! It prohibits in the most absolute way you find yourself in the public and in the streets of Vodnjan you sing or speak in Slavonic. Even in the shops of any kind should be a good time endeavored ONLY ITALIAN LANGUAGE We the squad, with persuasive methods, we will comply with this order. > ___ > > What did I just read lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italianization ah that's it... thanks.
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Najns (EUW)
: What, with a video of her saying it? xD You can hardly call that "proof" xD I can say I have a high pitched voice too, does that mean I really do? xD
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ApIn9jEn,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-18T21:52:48.891+0000) > > What, with a video of her saying it? xD > You can hardly call that "proof" xD > I can say I have a high pitched voice too, does that mean I really do? xD I also watched some of her vlogs when she talks to other people, i've even watched some of her stream highlights, still haven't heard her "real" voice
Najns (EUW)
: Well then prove to me it's her real voice and not her voice acting. Can you?
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ApIn9jEn,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-18T20:38:28.616+0000) > > Well then prove to me it's her real voice and not her voice acting. Can you? I already did.
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Najns (EUW)
: She talked normaly on one of her friend's streams when she didn't know thy were streaming. Not sure if there's a video of this tho.
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ApIn9jEn,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-17T09:22:33.285+0000) > > She talked normaly on one of her friend's streams when she didn't know thy were streaming. > Not sure if there's a video of this tho. i don't believe you without a proof.
Najns (EUW)
: Dude. She's great at voice acting. You seriously believe that's the lowest she can get? It's all just an act to get weebs to watch her content because she sounds like a 12 year old anime girl. Isn't it weird that her voice sometimes, even on stream, sounds normal suddenly and she fixes it instantly?
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ApIn9jEn,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-09-17T08:49:48.134+0000) > > Dude. She's great at voice acting. You seriously believe that's the lowest she can get? > It's all just an act to get weebs to watch her content because she sounds like a 12 year old anime girl. > Isn't it weird that her voice sometimes, even on stream, sounds normal suddenly and she fixes it instantly? i dunno, i don't watch her stream. prove me with a video and then i'll believe u.
Najns (EUW)
: Umm no. Her voice is fake, WAY too pichy, and SO annoying.
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ApIn9jEn,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-17T08:36:30.726+0000) > > Umm no. Her voice is fake, WAY too pichy, and SO annoying. it's not fake watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0LpfAENdOo
Najns (EUW)
: God, I hate her voice>>
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ApIn9jEn,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-17T08:18:54.839+0000) > > God, I ~~hate ~~ love her voice>>
Rioter Comments
: Puberty doesnt end until 20+ years man, Your body still grows, genitals and maturity Sure I dont disagree with your statement, but hear me out Everybodys mindeset and bodys are different, some people are 'late bloomers' they dont reqch the first stage of puberty until their mid teen years...
> [{quoted}](name=Scrublord69,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=FVtoxiXt,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-09-15T13:55:49.620+0000) > > Puberty doesnt end until 20+ years man, Your body still grows, genitals and maturity > Sure I dont disagree with your statement, but hear me out > Everybodys mindeset and bodys are different, some people are 'late bloomers' they dont reqch the first stage of puberty until their mid teen years... I went out of puberty when i was 16
: So the question is fellas: you wanna remove kebab or not? If not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D5JJZl6MB0 if yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU
> [{quoted}](name=Absinthe Drinker,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=HEyFKqbq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-09-16T12:03:04.203+0000) > > So the question is fellas: > > you wanna remove kebab or not? > > If not: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D5JJZl6MB0 > > if yes: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocW3fBqPQkU NEĆETE U ČAVOGLAVE DOK SMO ŽIVI MI! :D
: Remove Kebab god is a serb !
> [{quoted}](name=BlueGaming17,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=HEyFKqbq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-16T07:55:53.893+0000) > > Remove Kebab god is a serb ! Remove serbs Storm 1995
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Vordy (EUW)
: Bronze V to Gold V :D
From B5 to Gold 1 in season 4
Najns (EUW)
: Lol why was this on NA boards? xD
> [{quoted}](name=Najns,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=5Xk6jpFf,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-13T10:19:13.091+0000) > > Lol why was this on NA boards? xD http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4885430 no idea http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/HGfEkIYj-so-how-do-people-hate-the-us
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: R.I.P. My beloved Easy (* Dec. 2004 - † Sept. 2016)
: Yes, it comes across as quite patronising now. I was chatting with a Venezuelan student in the park the other day; she is attending a local college to learn English and told me that she was struggling to be understood, even though her vocabulary was very good. She was fascinated by my London accent and the way that we speak, the rhythm, and how we put emphasis on certain words. So our conversation was a lot like this video clip (but more friendly).
> [{quoted}](name=Wa5abi65,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=4cQvrJU8,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-09-10T10:48:57.243+0000) > > Yes, it comes across as quite patronising now. > I was chatting with a Venezuelan student in the park the other day; she is attending a local college to learn English and told me that she was struggling to be understood, even though her vocabulary was very good. > She was fascinated by my London accent and the way that we speak, the rhythm, and how we put emphasis on certain words. > So our conversation was a lot like this video clip (but more friendly). it's all about accent. It can be about rhythm if you're talking slower it would be easier to understand like with any other language. English is not my primary language but I can watch and understand any american movie without subtitles but some accents in the UK and Ireland are very hard to understand for not native english speakers
: This is how you can improve your english
Nowdays this looks like a joke. I was talking to some american about that video IRL and he said that it makes no sense, that maybe people in those days found it educational
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: Funniest scene ever in european film
This scene isn't meant to be funny but it is
: They are not stuck, they are just people who refuse to accept that they are bad.
> [{quoted}](name=Soda Popkillski,realm=EUNE,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=uJ7m8Hky,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-04T14:13:00.642+0000) > > They are not stuck, they are just people who refuse to accept that they are bad. You can't be bad unless you're braindead. I used to be "bad" and slow at my job till i started taking some effort. All what you need is improvment and motivation which i lost about this game in april 2014. Back then i hit gold 1 and plat promos, failed and since then i didn't play this game with passion anymore. I uninstalled month ago because there is no purpose doing something that is not fun.
: I uninstalled today....
I uninstalled more than a month ago. It's just not fun to play this game anymore. Maybe i'm just too old, i'm 24. I dunno.
Allosen (EUW)
: Because people like stupid things
> [{quoted}](name=Allosen,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=nTWRtNUL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-05T21:09:51.876+0000) > > Because people like stupid things or they just hate muslims?
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