Shamose (EUW)
: > That means you think that the coaches/analysts of lcs, lec etc. teams are all master/challenger/god tier players Well those coaches must have some talent for analysing gameplay and making strats. They may mechanically not be the best but they have the edge in knowledge. But looking at a lot of coaches in pro play they have a history at a high level of play. OP just comes out of the blue saying "free advice" without anything to show if his advice is good or not.
Dude. Go back into your toxic hole. The guy/gal wants to help out why are you pilling up? For somebody who is new to the game, bronze, silver etc i'm sure he can give many good advices and since its free there is really no downside, let the people decide if they find it capable enough or not.
: Another Prestige Skin with no way to acquire without spending £115 are you messing?!
It a free to play game, and a very good one while we are at it. All the features ( champions ) can be unlocked by playing. As for the cosmetics, my opinion is that they can be as pricey or limited as they want them to. They have to get money to support the game somehow. Instead of complaining be happy game is doing well and the future of it is bright. If you can't afford it i'm sure you will do just fine without the skin alltogether.
Vistha Kai (EUNE)
: I could make a case like that for getting complete vegetables for teammates in promos and it wouldn't be bias. I could go 10 wins in a row, but the moment I get into promo it's almost always people so mentally incapable, they most likely require help getting their velcro shoes on, let alone tying shoelaces. There are cases where the enemy teams are somehow even more incapable, which is largely why I managed to get Gold in two queues.
Do you really truly believe that is the case? They got to the same place as you are so they can't be that bad. Maybe they are having a bad game, maybe they are tilted, and maybe you are tilted and mad and just notice the bad things. What you describe is very unlikely. And even if you do get some of those here and there more often than not they will be on enemy team because there are 5 spots there to fill and only 4 on your team.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: So according to your logic: Getting Tahm Kench on ARAM and throwing a teammate under enemy tower over and over again is alright, because: The Tahm Kench player is having fun in a fun gamemode. The expenses only are the chances of winning and the other player's experience. There's also another flaw in your logic. It's that not everyone gets the same amount of fun playing a champion. An OTP's gameplay experience will increase way more playing their champ than an average player's experience playing that champ. In my Lux example I know I don't want to play Rammus at all and Lux is way more fun, but I also know that the Lux OTP will have more fun on Lux than I would. So I swap with them, because it increases the team's overall fun payout. This game is a teamgame, so you have to act like a team. On the other hand if I kept Lux, then maybe the Lux OTP would've been tilted and hated playing that match, and the overall fun payout for the team would've even been negative. I'm certain that when someone doesn't swap with me even though I'm an OTP, my fun payout in negative is way higher than theirs in positive.
Well i just told you what goes trough their head and yes it is flawed because often as you nicely noticed the sum of the happiness of all the players goes down while only the one being selfish benefits. But still that is exactly how it works, flawed or not. I do not call it logic i call it facts. As for why that is. do you know the concept of prisoners dilemma? 2 people are accused of crime. A) if they both betray each other they server 2 years each B) If first betrays the second, and second does not, first goes free and second serves 3 years, and the other way around C) if they both keep their mouth shut they server 1 year each Best scenario is that they both serve 1 year each, because sum of unhappiness is the smallest ( 2 compared to 3, 3 and 4 ). and well the inverse, sum of happines ( more time free ) is the biggest. Do they both choose C? No. Because no matter what other person chooses for you personally it is always better to betray. If other person betrays by betraying your punishment goes down from 3 to 2 years. If other person keeps silent your punishment goes down from 1 year to 0 years. So yea this is a standard case where cooperating benefits them as sum the most but each individual will still choose not to cooperate because of their selfish reasons. (just google prisoners dilemma and wikipedia for more information on it if intrigued ). If you are the sort of person who would choose C anyway, you would be considered naive by society and people could easily abuse that in your real life so be careful. Same thing can be applied to you ARAM case. Ideally i agree with you people should probably trade champions to give those who are played the most by some people to them. If everyone behaved that way over a course of many games with different people everyone would profit. But people do not behave that way. They look what is better for them, now. They do not care what happens over the course of next 50 games nor do they trust other people to be nice just because they are. And that my friend is why league or any online competitive game with teams tends to become very toxic, and why you should not count on getting your sona no matter how many models you have on the table, because people will always choose their own selfish ways over the sum of happiness of the community if given chance. That's how people evolved anyway so its a natural way of doing things. It would require huge amounts of efforts over multiple generations to wipe it out and we are not even close to that.
: Why do you get less individual experience in a duo lane compared to a solo lane? Because if you didn't we would all just go as 5 mid and the game turns into ARAM.
Most probably people would group and roam from lane to lane to soak up as much as they can and get level advantage. but it would be super broken for defenders during sieges which would probably find it very easy to soak all 3 lanes very efficiently. It would be a mess indeed.
: Support Experience
in short because it is sensible thing to do and otherwise things would get super broken at certain times in game. In long: It is important that when things die 2 people or more divide experience rather than everyone getting same amounts as if they were alone. If this was not the case game would become very unbalanced at some points and people would make some very silly decisions and groupings to abuse it. Imagine if instead of dividing experience from waves each person of 5 present would get a full amount. Total experience would skyrocket. Now imagine when 1 team is winning and starts breaking down inhibitor towers and other team defends. Defending team would very fast accumulate insane amounts of experience by just rotating inside the base and soaking it all as a group. It would create a very unnatural and unfair way of catching up in experience. And i am sure people would come up with even more broken ways to abuse it. So yea... the system where multiple people share experience when things die is very good and inherent to the genre. And everything else comes as a consequence of that. That being said though, unless you roam a lot and also die a lot you will never really be way to much behind your adc. And even if you do the nature of your role and the cost of support items and their relative usefulness as well as what you offer will always make you important piece of the team regardless. So what exactly is the problem? EDIT: oh and supports are not really taxed gold wise at all. Starting support items are super overpowered, most support items are very aggressively stated for their cost... i mean we have things like redemption jungler olaf... thats how good redemption is for example. Also supports usually have abilities which will lend them very high kill participation which in turn means a lot of assist gold. And all this without having to actually CS well. So you can enoy the game more by playing way more interactive role and only downsides are that you earn a bit less relative gold but can itemise for cheaper and get stuck in a duo lane and getting less experience than a top laner for example, but that is the situation in which ADC is as well so...
Murdarici (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Cryptidian,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=38HPAaxM,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-07T14:03:14.971+0000) > > I never thought "damn, i hate this rework". I just find ways to enjoy them. I don't hate the reworks also and I try to enjoy them, but I am nostalgic about old champions, and Garen is my most played champion ever and my favorite champ for soon to be 10 years so a rework on him to make him skillshots base champion would make me a bit sad. Also I agree his model even it was reworked already is old again and if you look at new reworks or new champions how great they look, this armoured big guy that is Garen can look amazing if updated with today standards. (if they don't make him to wear tights) I will be little sad if he would look like this (but in demacia colors) https://i.gyazo.com/e9e76348b4cc0659de7c8e858ebbba03.png
I actually think garen is a solid starter champion with solid baseline abilities and clear way to play. I do not see much point in changing to much about it. Maybe combine passive with W and tone it down a bit and give him dash to be inline with latest league trends of melee champions needing dash to stay relevant, but other than that... Update the looks and he is good to go. Maybe tone him down a bit not to be to OP with his new dash and thats it.
: why dont people want voice support?
1. It is hard to moderate. 2. Most people will want to disable it at the start and lets be honest if you forget and do not do it fast enough it could be very unpleasant. 3. Toxic community, would bring more bad than good 4. Would make little usefulness especially in Europe where English is mostly not main language and people would have hard time understanding each other 5. It would increase the amount of internet traffic usage, possible even introduce lags in game where lag kills you. 6. Game already has plenty of great and easy ways to give information to your teammates which is clear and clean and even that people are not used properly or often enough 7. You would rely on giving information trough unreliable medium which would cause problems if the person did not hear, understand or was just not listening at that second, while in game info is much easier to notice and comprehend So yea... to summarise, it would not offer to much over what already exists, it would not be reliable enough and it would possible cause way more issues than actual gains.
Ileove (EUW)
: Thanks for your reply! That would actually explain a lot, but in order for us to be equal, he also disconnected in one of our games and I got a remake, shouldn't that also make his MMR a bit lower like mine?
More probably than not the game he disconnected from had different MMR averages of yours and enemies team than the one you disconnected from which probably resulted in different MMR loss for him than it did for you. Since after that he was getting less LP than you that probably means he had higher MMR than you as a result of that game and since you kept playing together he kept having more MMR and gaining less LP. Apparently even though i do not understand when and why you skip a league entirely that difference in LP that you accumulated over him was enough for game to decide you get a skip and he has to play promos. So i guess league skip is based on how much and how fast you accumulate LP and not MMR. Which is interesting. And on other hand some people say that not even RIOT fully understands how their MMR and LP works from top to the bottom so :D... you never know :).
DamsShiro (EUW)
: Perkz - Mid to Bot: Best swap role ever !
Well Perkz is just a living legend. I did not expect him to do so well so fast but after first game i was like okey i see how it will be you will just play mages and dominate that way haha ok :). But then he started playing adcs and i was like ok ok... i see you, i see you. Only thing i think its still holding him back is that he is as he says still a midlaner in heart and he plays just a bit to aggresive. When it works its great but when it doesnt he pretty much throws the game because if you go all in as midlaner and blow your cds and die it is not nowhere near as bad when you do it as ADC because ADC is to important source of consistent damage. But in any case i see him only getting even better and destroying even more than he already is. EDIT: Oh right, love the video :).
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Yeah... I feel like it's kind of a %%%% move to not trade with someone when you see they OTP the given champion. Like I can't really imagine what goes through people's mind when they decline such a trade, especially after they've been kindly asked in chat.
its simple really, what goes trough their head is the following: Aram is a fun mode and i will have much more fun playing sona which is a pretty nice champion for it than the crap this OTP is wanting to trade me with. Maybe our chances to win go down since OTP would play it better but my chances of my own fun will go down dramatically if i do trade in so.... since i chose a fun mode to have fun to begin with not caring so much about wining.. i'm not going to trade. Its just a matter of prioritisation nothing else. And no this is not toxic. When you play ARAM you hope to get things like Sona so it sucks really bad if you have to trade it for something which doesn't do well in it. So no just because you are OTP with sona in competitive play this should really give you 0 leverage to demand it to be traded in ARAM when somebody else gets it. Once you realise that you will feel much better. In this case realising how not to tilt over this stupid reason is to begin with is the best way to get untilted. By prevention, using common sense and healthy attitude.
: > That wouldn't do any good. If a person suspects that someone is intentionally feeding, they should report them. So if they're wrong in that case, they should be punished by not being allowed to report people that potentially are intentionally feeding? That just favors those that intentionally feed, rather than actually punishing the person who was wrong in one case. That would only be the case if you believe there are more intentional feeders running around than we can report, which I don't believe is the case. I would personally be in favour of this, because it would make people have to think more carefully about who they report, instead of just spamming reports on anyone who plays badly. I would also be in favour of a system where you could only report someone once you had reviewed the replay of the match, but I think I'm on my own on that point.
well the problem are the people who just spam reports on anyone who plays badly. No matter what kind of system you come up with people will find a way to abuse it. Just be happy there are systems in place at all for reporting and such. If they would be used properly and not as a way to un-tilt yourself by spamming those they would function much better than they currently are. It is sad how often i see on stream somebody reporting after a game just because they made mistakes and played bad.... sad sad sad.
Holaka (EUW)
: Why give me main lane all games except when im in promos?
Its called observational bias, most probably the game is not coded that way it is just bad luck + you just noticing it and remembering it when it does happen because it makes you mad, while you conveniently forget it when it doesn't happen. Just chill, play the game and you will get your main role in promos eventually.
: What's going on with ranked?
I am not sure about the leagues, but bounty system is not rewarding players who played bad because the gains you get which cause bounties are in all cases bigger than bounties themselves. It helps the team to catchup but it is not broken as you make it out to be. If you get outscaled after somebody collects your bounty that just means his champion scales better than yours. I personally find the bounty system to be very interesting. If you are ahead and having a bounty there is no reason to think you should mess up and die because the game should be easier for you now than it was before when you got the advantage to begin with. It is also nice that if better team doesn't just instantly lose if they make a mistake or two or get a bit unlucky on start but can prove their worth by playing well and get back to the game on the back of bounty system.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: I've just seen too much BS coming from Riot. I don't see them being one of the best in any way. I am just saying my opinion. EA are scummy, looking only for money and pretending to listen to its players while doing the opposite. Riot has been doing the exact same thing for years and I rarely see them do something to positively affect the enjoyment of the players. I see mostly negative changes rather than good changes from them. Everything they do is counterproductive
You are just spoiled. If you like mobas there is no better time to be alive. If you do not like LOL or Riot you can always play Dota2. But think about it. You can play a game which runs on dedicated servers for absolutely free if you choose so. And with a team of people who keep working on the game, looking for ways to keep it fresh and balanced. And if it wasn't for Dota2 LOL would be without a doubt the best game in genre out there. And since there is its debatable if its the best or 2nd best. And yea Riot has to make money duh, so there are ways in the game which contribute but skins are just cosmetics, and champions are unlockable by just playing the game and fairly fast if i might say so. Much faster than one can master any given champ you can unlock an additional one. Yea sure maybe you personally do not like some changes but you know what happens when developers listen to people? Especially loud and negative ones as yourself? Pure chaos. Anyway in no way shape or form does Riot deserve to be compared with EA. Sure maybe they do mistakes but regardless if they ever get close to EA level of greediness they are nowhere near that right now. If they wanted to be greedy they could push out overpowered champions one after another every couple of weeks or so basically forcing you to buy them with cash to stay competitive. And what i saw in last couple of years is less and less new champions more and more balance and interesting game play additions and skins. Plenty of ways to support the game if you want to, much enjoyment to have if you can't and sure i'm not saying that they do not make mistakes because they do but there is way more reasons to be positive than negative about League.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: Do you think a person without any experience can teach others how improve (If you say ''yes'' then don't even bother to comment back)? This shit doesn't work irl and most certainly won't work here. I see only bs comming out from you. Everything is pure nonsense...
Yes if tutored by somebody who actually has experience somebody can teach others how to improve if that knowledge is passed on in quality maner. it is obviosly not as easy as having experience yourself and there are some things you can learn only from experience but there are huge amounts of knowledge which are being passed on trough generations with leaping generations actually not having experience themselfs. Thats how humans evolved afterall... i tghout that is generally well known concept. Also there is this thing called learning by observing as well.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: > So that is 0 practice, going fresh in, and doing a great win rate regardless and then i just got bore ''great win rate'' OOOOOF > Well i climbed before and i climbed very fast in the season 9 after coming back from months of hiatus as well from iron to silver with 57 percent win rate in only few dozen games, and i did it as support which is the role with least impact. I climbed from bronze to plat 3 from a role that I had no experience at with 87% winrate. I also got from g5 to p1 just by playing Thresh support so I don't see anything you say any better. I know how to climb since I've proven it. > ''I also know how to become a millionaire but I never wanted to become one. In order to become a millionaire you only need to work hard.'' suits you perfectly here. Just blindly saying words that you think are true without proving them yourself. Trying to justify them with other bs, prove it. Prove me that you know how to climb. Surpass my rank and prove me wrong. http://prntscr.com/mu0cas - my previous account which I got to p3 but decayed from inactivity http://prntscr.com/mu0cqw - my current account which also decayed from inactivity http://prntscr.com/mu0u62 - My current rank without competing my promos. I don't even think I will be playing ranked until Riot reverts the current ranked system. > I did all this mostly using knowledge i accumulated over the years either playing or watching league and i shared it here willingly. Because i sure did not use super skills because i am to slow and not invested enough to play high skill cap carry champions. Yeah but don't talk like you know more than someone who's achieved something way out of your reach. Teach iron/bronze/silver players or players that never played ranked but don't try to teach a Master/Diamond player and high plat player on how to climb/improve. Same shit with bodybuilding, would you think you know more than someone who has been training for years and proven it with his results and tell him that he can do better if he just does ''this'' and ''this'' ? While you are skinny person who barely touched a dumbell ? Unless you prove your words you are nobody. > Not tilting and staying positive Not tilting is true since you are staying focused and not doing any dumb decisions but staying positive doesn't really matter. There are people who consistently reach challenger without being positive. This part is delusional. These positive people are the youtubers/twitch streamers who are staying positive so their fans stay to watch them. Being positive in high elo is irrelevant to some extent. Lets say you are constantly blaming your mistakes (this only comes from cocky people most of them know when THEY make the mistake) on your jungler/support or other teammate, you are tilting this person therefore loosing his focus on the game and making him to more mistakes. You can be neutral or flame people for doing dumb decisions or for not following a call and still climb. If a person has the intentions of loosing the game for childish reasons then being positive to him is pointless and stupid since no matter how well you play this one person will 100% loose your game (if you are in plat-dia 3 elo). > Knowing how to have fun while playing This is true for the long term. Climbing itself is fun for the competitive players. Some need to otp a champion they like and others don't really care about this. > Learning from your mistakes True, but you don't have to be Einstein to know that LOL > And this three things is what i see your average forum rager failing over and over wondering why they can't carry their teams even though they are supposedly godlike level of skilled. But you know what it takes to climb but never wanting to prove your words huh ? Also these people are probably the typical yasuo/zed silver hardstucks not the ''supposedly godlike level of skilled'' you are referring to. Atm you are speaking to master/diamond player and a high plat player so we are definitely way out of your league to compare us to your experience with the silver players. When it comes to climbing I will listen to the master/diamond player since he's accomplished this rank proving that he knows what he is doing. You on the other hand I can't take your words seriously since you ''know'' how to improve but never proven it. This matters, don't think it doesn't. Why ? Because its not that easy lol , its much more complicated since every game is different, every teammate is different, team comps are different and many other. > Everything else comes with experience and will to learn. But if you are some stuck up person who just complains about trolls and whatever on forums and tilts whenever things do not go his way then yea you will get stuck. ''Everything else comes with experience and will to learn'' Is one thing. ''**But if you are some stuck up person who just complains about trolls and whatever on forums and tilts whenever things do not go his way then yea you will get stuck.**'' is the reason why experience matters. Have you been to this elo to know what kind of people play ? No ? Then don't talk like you think we don't know shit. Every single person that has went through this elo knows that how many people **INTENTIONALLY THROW ** because of childish reasons. And they never get punished because they are not as dumb as the average silver hardstuck with 1000 games. When I say ''almost every single game in that elo is a coinflip'',''games are based on which team has the least trolls'' you will think that I am over-exaggerating but this is the absolute truth. And thinking you **know** I'm wrong without having any idea what kind of people play in this elo is delusional. Low plat to d3 is filled with these people and its stupid to think YOU can carry this 1 person who had the intentions of throwing the game. >Right. Well i do not go on voice chat with overly aggressive and angry people. Overly agressive is not true at all LOL. You might say that I am angry for seeing so much nonsense at once which could've been avoided in voice chat. I am literally wasting my time arguing with a person for DAYS instead of 1 hour. I honestly think you are trolling me at this point LOL
I am not trolling. You are trolling yourself by celebrating your high elo that you reached and then later on stating that almost every game is a coin flip. I don't know whats the fuss dude and why are you so convinced that somebody has to experience something to know stuff. I play very litle this days but i watch crazy amounts of streams, mostly master+ players and i do not see the armies of trolls and throwers you are mentioning. And i learned a lot from these players so thats how i know stuff. And transfer of knowledge is a thing, so yes it is possible if i learned stuff from somebody who is way above your elo that it is impossible to reach by you, that i can teach you a thing or two. But sure stay in your negative ways, complain about trolls and throwers on forum. I already explained you the math saying that more often than not these would end up on enemy team, as long as you are not one of them. People as creatures evolved by learning trough model, that means by mimicing others, it is very self centered of you to think you cannot learn by observing as well as playing. I will even say that the most you learn by observing and reading guides, builds and sharing ideas with other people. What you learn by playing is mostly mechanics and execution. What you learn by... well learning is strategy, tactics, matchup balance, lane management, when to group, when to split, when to push, when to siege, when to nashor, vision control, etc etc... Don't tell me you play a new champ and at one point in game you are like WOOOF I do a lot of damage no... no you up front know how many items and which you need before you pop of. At least you should. I have nothing to prove to anyone by climbing, i enoy discussing on forums and thats it and i do have the knowledge to back it up. And i do enoy sharing knowledge, it is your choice to embrace what other know or to refuse it and stay in your little box. My win rate is nothing amazing but its stable and fine enough for me to be able to stay stuff i know without geting flammed to hell and back. At least i tghout so. BUt you are a peculiar case of extreme negativity.... You should really calm down a bit.
KIDD KODE (EUW)
: Role of a support
I feel like all this comments are way to complicated for somebody who is new and who will probably stay a bit in lower leagues to start with. Start with this things and then once you are good at them you can expand your knowledge. 1. Whole idea of support in lanning phase is passive gold generation using one of the 3 starting support items, {{item:3301}} , {{item:3303}} , {{item:3302}}, and letting your lane companion take all the minions, only exception being using relic shield charges which are best used on cannon minions. Later on in evolves into protecting your carries, fighting for vision, cc-ing enemies etc. 2. But lets keep it simple to start with. Play a ranged support to start with, i recommend high range mages. Some examples are velkoz, brandt, zyra. Practice landing your skills and poking enemies. Let more experienced players worry about playing engage champions and the likes. Starting item for these is {{item:3303}}. If you feel like your team is doing ok build protective or healing items which benefit whole team or at least your partner. If not go mostly for AP and try to land as much as you can in teamfights on as many people you can. If things are not going great try to land your CC on their most fed person and hope for the best. This is by far the easiest way to start of. If you take something which is considered S tier in LCS like Alistar or Braum you will get crapped on a lot and be super frustrated. 3. In lane try keeping wards at the paths you most often get ganked from. Once their jungler is 4-5 start warding dragon. Once a couple of towers are down and people start grouping a lot keep 1 ward at least at nashor at all times. Your main objective is that you see it before it starts happening. Once you learn more watch some tutorials and stuff for warding places but from start i would really stick to these 3 things. Other than that experiment and use extra wards if you have them to check bushes before going in them. Don't worry to much about high elo vision fighting and places to put wards at before you learn the basics. 4. Don't argue with people in chat, don't discuss, do your own thing. Most often as support that means figuring out around 15-20 minute mark who is the most skilled person in the game and becoming his shadow. Do not fall into the trap of trying to protect your botlaner at all costs because more often than not at that point somebody will be so fed he will just delete him from game over and over again and organised grouping is just a dream. And sometimes you will get a very good ADC and you can be his shadow. But if you lose your lane don't spend the rest of the game trying to salvage it because you most probably will not. If lanes fail group and hope your team is better at that than lane phase. If grouping also fails lose with dignity and go into another game without thinking to much of it. 5. But most important at all just have fun and don't worry to much. Support is super fun to play, you do not have to worry about minions and farm you are all about interacting with your enemies or your allies which is the best part of the game imo. Good luck and have fun!
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: > Because i do not act i actually know what it takes to climb. No you don't . I also know how to become a millionaire but I never wanted to become one. In order to become a millionaire you only need to work hard. > Everything i wrote is correct using my current rank and account to undermine it is a weak argument. I can make examples in which experience matters and league is one of them, Its %%%%ing mind boggling that you think I am rank shaming or that rank doesn't matter when you want to teach someone how to improve. Sure it doesn't matter when the other person is lower rank than you but when he is waaaaay ahead of you then it just seems stupid. Imagine a silver player teaching a master tier player on how to improve LOL. Its just funny of how stupid it is. Players learn as they climb, they don't only learn by watching streams/videos. There are many scenarios which are not always shown on stream or in the videos. Also the reason at why I wanted to go on voice chat is because people like you like to make WALLS of text repeating the same shit, adding something irrelevant or making another false argument which resolves into another huge wall of text full or quotes and its %%%%ing time consuming and most of the time you are talking about MANY things instead of focusing on the point of the topic. In voice chat you are talking atm instead of waiting for hours for the other person to reply and you are talking until someone finally agrees.
Right. Well i do not go on voice chat with overly aggressive and angry people. Well i climbed before and i climbed very fast in the season 9 after coming back from months of hiatus as well from iron to silver with 57 percent win rate in only few dozen games, and i did it as support which is the role with least impact. So that is 0 practice, going fresh in, and doing a great win rate regardless and then i just got bored, maybe i continue maybe i do not, the game is to easy for me i do well each game and the games i lose is just enemy getting super fed which happens from time to time because of RNG but it equals out over time. I did all this mostly using knowledge i accumulated over the years either playing or watching league and i shared it here willingly. Because i sure did not use super skills because i am to slow and not invested enough to play high skill cap carry champions. But i still did great, strange huh? Its not really, what i know works that's just it. Funny thing is the most important things to climb do not even have anything to do with league. 1. Not tilting and staying positive 2. Knowing how to have fun while playing 3. Learning from your mistakes And this three things is what i see your average forum rager failing over and over wondering why they can't carry their teams even though they are supposedly godlike level of skilled. Everything else comes with experience and will to learn. But if you are some stuck up person who just complains about trolls and whatever on forums and tilts whenever things do not go his way then yea you will get stuck.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: Do you think a person without any experience can teach others how improve (If you say ''yes'' then don't even bother to comment back)? This shit doesn't work irl and most certainly won't work here. I see only bs comming out from you. Everything is pure nonsense...
A lot of things i say its simple math and statistics. And i do have quite a bit of experience in league as well. been playing on and of since season 1. And yes some things you can transfer well from theory to practice without experience. Most things in science start from theory, so yea... You should really calm down a bit its just a forum and discussion no need to get so gnarly. jeeeez.
: > [{quoted}](name=Neomarre,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=00000001000000020000,timestamp=2019-02-28T20:56:05.793+0000) > > Well the answer is clearly not tower dive 5 times and end up 3 or 4 kills behind before minute 10, and thats just bot lane. Mmh, sorry but if you're bad, or learning the game, you should not be punished. Everyone is not gifted
I agree with you. That is why reviewer watched the game and decided between: A) player is just unskilled noob and deserves a pass B) player is high skilled person who kept putting himself in bunch of uphill battles because of shit and giggles. People with only 100 or 200 hundred hours in league should already easily say that for this Yasuo the case is B, let alone the reviewers who probably have way more. And then for some reason it decided to put aside it was URF and punish regardless of that. That is the only debatable part imo. But URF as far as i know was never advertised as mode in which you can do whatever you want so even if people generally agree that is the case that is just a belief not the real state of things. This ban however is proof that URF is a mode like any other in which if you do stupid things you can and will get banned at least by some moderators.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: > For you the line is clearly way above soraka jungle i guess. And that would probably be my instinct at first as well when i would see it. But then i had some miserable jungles doing nothing whole game that even if this soraka did 1 ult she would do more is the moment where that sentence "X is a troll because Y" loses value and you have to look at much bigger picture. Never been in diamond elo . Don't talk like you know how it is
> [{quoted}](name=Pavle2001,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=000a0000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-01T15:59:41.791+0000) > > Never been in diamond elo . Don't talk like you know how it is I do not see what the thing you quoted has to do with league ranking. Also interesting how you just assume based on my current rank on current account where i was or where i was not. And at the end, even if i did not you can see how diamond looks like by watching streams and learning from there. And if i learned anything by watching and even streamers say so that higher elos are pretty much same as lower one. This includes trolls, feeding, nashor throws, fails to group, fails to wrap up games etc etc.... Only thing is that it is different that players have deeper champion pools, play them better, cs better and know their match ups, strength and weaknesses better. But the meta stuff we are discussing and which i am proficient at from both playing and watching streams is same in all elos except maybe IRON on one side and competitive group play on other. Is that why you wanted to drag me onto discord to trash the argument using my rank as leverage? Sad.
ferenchawke (EUNE)
: Yeah so tell me what am i doing wrong when all of my teamates lose thier lane feed thier opponent and even if im doing amazing i still lose cause my teamates are so far behind and they go rambo into the jungle to get caught and die.What am i supposed to do then?I Played back in season 6 got to s2 and when i lost my promos to s1 i just quit cause i didn't wanted to deal with this community anymore and i went to play wow insted.Sadly i like this game and sometimes come back to play,but what i'm experiencing in b1 right now is chaotic.Eaither i get the bad teammates and lose or the enemy team and i win.I'm sorry that i'm not some lcs challanges player that can 1v5 a feed enemy team and i'm not saying that i'm the best in the world cause i make mistakes but the stuff that i see evryday is annoying.And yes stat wise it evens out.But you still have that coin flip that maybe the rest of your teamates are gonna be bad and someone will get that more times.SOmeone will get good/decent teamates.I for one feel unlucky that i'm getting realy bad ones all the time,Back in the day i just improved my skill and started climbing,Here it doesnt matter anymore.
Each lane and position is a coin flip if your team will be better in it or not. So a coin flip for top, mid, bot and jungle. So lets say you play 16 games. 1 of them all 4 positions you will be behind. 4 of them one will be wining 3 losing. 6 of them 2 will be wining and 2 losing 4 of them 3 will be wining and 1 losing 1 of them all 4 will be wining when losing 4 positions or 3 most of the time it should be a loss. when you are wining 3 lanes or 4 if you consider yourself a good player you should always win. and lastly 6 of the games are half and half, win those and you will progress. Of course depending on luck you will not get the perfect 1 4 6 4 1 distribution but more games you play the close it will be, because of math and statistics. So basically the thing you are doing wrong is that you are tilting. Because you are getting mad because you are losing the 5 games you are supposed to lose you get mad and also lose most of the 6 that are equal more or less on both sides. But if nothing else works, just play for fun. Find some budies to play with, enoy, relax, dont wory to much about climbing, most important thing is to have fun. Unless you are turbo high elo player looking to go professional it really does not matter what league you are but how much fun you are having. EDIT if you consider yourself way above your league wining you position most of time you then have 8 coin flips for other 3 and average distribution for 16 games is: 2 game all other 3 lanes losing 6 games 1 wining 2 losing 6 games 2 wining 1 losing 2 game all 3 wining
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: Why do you act like you know how to climb when you never reached his respectable elo ?
Because i do not act i actually know what it takes to climb. And what is with the elitism? Its the same game from iron to GM, people just play much better mechanically in upper leagues. As for the strategy it can be applied to each elo and i know very well what wins games and what loses them. Tilting and crying how unlucky somebody is because he got a troll on team or whatever just makes you lose games. Everyone knows that, don't pretend like its not true or that my words are empty. Everything i wrote is correct using my current rank and account to undermine it is a weak argument.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: blah blah blah blah Dude I am not trying to be mean. You are basically loosing my time at this point. Edit: If you want to continue this conversation feel free to join me on discord. But continuing to comment here is just wasting my time and effort.
That is ok mate. Everyone should value their time before anything else because that is the main resource you have and it is limited. Also i have issues with getting my point across in sensible amount of words it always ends up way to many so i end up in situations where it is not feasible to expect anyone reasonable would read it all. As for the argument. It is a hard argument, one of those that rarely comes down to some sensible compromise i just wanted to pitch in and point out that there are players out there like me who are actually happy about what Riot is doing, regardless if by some industry standards they are doing good job or not and that green posts are not the only ones willing to defend them. I was just kind of sad that this green dude got down-voted to hell by bunch of unhappy people just because he is trying to defuse a hard situation and trying to be as non biased as possible about a situation which is clearly somewhat of a scandal. Meanwhile people like me usually just stay away from the boards and enoy the game we love so much but yesterday was a different day for me i guess. I'l think about discord but i imagine we would just both hard push our side of the argument and get nowhere and it would be just a mess because it would be hard to track who said what and we would be to eager to interrupt each other. I prefer forums because of these reasons. Also i think also everything which could have been said was said. Bunch of arguments on both sides stuck at things which are clearly subjective. I mean that's why i asked where the line what is troll and what is not should be drawn. There is no definitive answer to that and never will be and that is where you cant resolve an argument no matter how hard you try. Not here. Not on discord. For you the line is clearly way above soraka jungle i guess. And that would probably be my instinct at first as well when i would see it. But then i had some miserable jungles doing nothing whole game that even if this soraka did 1 ult she would do more is the moment where that sentence "X is a troll because Y" loses value and you have to look at much bigger picture.
: >So instead of fussing over what your league is and if you should rather get demoted to league bellow or not you should really not care. You will not be matched based on league anyway but on MMR, so league is a cosmetic and non consequential. Yes, it is only cosmetic, however, it's the only form of progression you can actually see and being able to see your progress matters a lot. Not to mention you know the ranked system is extremely flawed because your rank is supposed to represent your skill, but if your mmr is constantly different from your rank, then it isn't actually representing anything and it's just there for no reason and it serves no purpose. >its all about MMR which is hidden and i guess you can see it on OPGG but i have my doubts how correct that is Well, it isn't correct so it's pointless to look at it. >best Riot can ever do is to give you fair ods. You say you always get in matches with teammates you can't carry. Well that would mean there are whole bunch of them all around. So if you can't carry 4 people which cant' be carried against 5 people which are the same where is the problem? I never said it's all of my teammates that are uncarriable. Literally one person is enough. The team with the best player doesn't win (unless you are in a low enough elo) but the team with the worst member is the one that loses and that is the problem. That player happens to be in my team wayyy more often than in the enemy team currently.
Well that's what people want cosmetics. I mean the whole game sustain model is based on people paying for skins since game is otherwise free so not much surprise there. I would much rather just have a big MMR table i could look at, but i am a number person not much of aesthetics guy so what do i know. It would be nice to have both at least. Well then you are just unlucky. Because if there is 1 person that is a problem out of 10 people there is 44.4 percent chance you will have it on your team and 55.5 percent it will be on other. I just watched some LEC ( Europe LCS ) and game was decided by two very obvious and visible mistakes of one of the players. First one was he accidentally clicked his zhonias instead of predator which resulted in his midlaner dying 1 v 2 while he was golden and got the opponent mid ahead. and the other was he clicked on the blast cone plant while his kench was channelling the ult on other side of it, interrupting it and causing a fight which was supposed to be in their favour to be in opponents favour instead. The rest of the game was pretty tight so this two mistakes gave enough of an edge to enemies for them to get ahead and win the game. So yea it is a team game so one team or the other will always suffer if somebody is not on point, you cannot do much there. What you can do however keep improving and cleaning up mistakes. Nobody is perfect. If you can't do anything about team mates work on yourself and find satisfaction there. Clearly you are also affected by matchmaking ( doesn't matter if its just luck or bias ) and you should work to shrug it of as much as you can because it will affect your game play regardless if you admit it to yourself or not. At the end of the day it is just a game though, try to find fun where you can and things will look brighter. I often feel like i lose games in which i did very well and i could really not do much more but then instead of feeling bad about it i just feel good about how i did and try to improve where i can until luck finally turns towards me again.
: >if you are droping MMR you will be gaining more LP on wins and lose less on losses not the other way around. No. It's exactly as i said. Imagine a scenario where your rank and your mmr are on the same level. Now your mmr drops but your rank stays the same because of demotion shield. You will now gain less LP for wins and lose more for losses. That is because your rank is always trying to catch up to your mmr. Your mmr is your actual skill level, not your rank. So if your rank is higher than your actual skill level, the game will try to drop your rank to your actual skill level faster by increasing LP losses and lowering gains. >Also if you can't climb you are the problem, because if you are good there are only 4 spots on your team for bad players and 5 on theirs so 44 percent to 55 you will have a bad player. As you later in your comment admit, it's not exactly how it goes. Math is only theoretical here and doesn't actually apply to league because you can never have a large enough sample size. A few hundred or even a few thousand games are not enough to make the chances become reality. You can literally have the worst player always in your team because you are never going to play enough games to even it out. It's only probability, not a rule. >Logic works same for any number of bad players, numbers change but are always favorable for you if you are good. Sure, numbers are favorable for me, i know that. However, as i said before, it's only theory that doesn't actually have any meaning in league's terms because of too low sample size. Or maybe, riot's matchmaking actually DOES look at your performance and thus constantly places me with the pleb to "even it out". They are going for that 50% win rate after all. >THere is a chance you are super unlucky True, and there is also the possibility of system being broken. >but many players complain about same things and not everyone can be unlucky so its probably you. I'm not a part of "many people". Also, i am high dia/low master player. That is a fact. So my skill level is NOT the reason. You can pretty much check every player's stats or history that complain about them not being able to climb and easily find a reason for it. However, you can't find that from my history. I consistently perform much better than others because i actually have been in high diamond.
Ok lets say it is like what you say that your league rank always tries to catch up to your MMR. In that case you should not care much about your league but only about your MMR. Basically what you say that you would rather demote than mess up your MMR makes no sense. You cannot mess up your MMR. MMR defines everything, from matchmaking to how much MMR you gain or lose depending on average level of skills. And if the LP and league is chasing MMR is defining that as well. So instead of fussing over what your league is and if you should rather get demoted to league bellow or not you should really not care. You will not be matched based on league anyway but on MMR, so league is a cosmetic and non consequential. ------------------- As for why i think its not really like that is that i had the opposite experience. I ranked up to higher league then i lost 3 games in a row but my gains on wins were still much more than my loses on lost. So basically your league doesn't matter at all, its all about MMR which is hidden and i guess you can see it on OPGG but i have my doubts how correct that is. It really depends on if you get matched up with people of higher MMR or not, what your team average ends up compared with and how well you managed when paired up with people of much higher MMR on average, or much lower. If you get matched up with 9 high MMR people your team MMR will be lower. If you can somehow manage to win that you will profit a lot. But if you keep getting matched up with 9 lower MMR people you really really do not want to lose because it will hurt your MMR a lot. That's when you have to carry. And it is possible to carry the worst of the teams in worst of the situations. But you have to play something that can carry and know how to do it. I saw people bring back impossible games by going 1 v 5 on super fed assassins it is unbelievable. ----------------------------- best Riot can ever do is to give you fair ods. You say you always get in matches with teammates you can't carry. Well that would mean there are whole bunch of them all around. So if you can't carry 4 people which cant' be carried against 5 people which are the same where is the problem? ---------------------- Riot can't do a thing about statistics. The best thing you can do is play more. The more you play closer statistics will come to what you expect it to be. But yea there will always be lucky players who are ahead of it and unlucky players who are behind it and Riot cannot do anything about it. They can only do the most fair thing they can. Match you up with people of similar MMR and reward based on team average MMR anything else would not be fair. -------------------- If it is not skill it can be one of two things. 1. luck, in that case keep playing and wait for it to turn around or just satisfy with what you can get, that is life, somebody gets born in USA family somebody in India, just do the best you can with dealt cards. 2. Strategy. Are you closing your games fast when you snowball or do you play with your prey? Do you go for nashor when you get picks or do you take towers and inhibitors. nashor is a huge trap and pushing towers is the best way to win in any elo where people are not organized enough to defend it. Do you use your advantage to help your team or do you play to look good on KDA? Do you play proper carry champions? You can't do so much on tanks and supports skill wise. Do you keep applying pressure or do you play safe all the time? Its like the game of the chicken if everyone plays safe you will achieve nothing, if everyone pressures enemy team gets in very awkward position. But if 2 people pressure and others play safe then those 2 are called out and are jackasses for trying to do the right thing wile everyone else is flashing their KDA. -------------- And no this is not only in my elo but in every damn diamond, master or GM stream i watch. Teams which usually lose are those who do not apply pressure all together. Doesn't matter if its a 5 man push, 4:1 or 1:3:1, the one that always has that one player randomly going around doing wolves or kruggs 30 minutes in while the rest is fidling their thumbs is usually the one that will lose.
: > [{quoted}](name=Neomarre,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2019-02-28T20:51:47.324+0000) > > DId you actually watch his video? Because i have and only saving grace is that its URF. But if the question is did he vigilantly do trades which he 99 percent of time knew will probabably go bad then the answer is yes he did and a lot. This brings into question of who decides what is a bad trade, and are bad trades ban worthy? If I were to show you a clip of an Iron player should they should all be banned on sight because of their awful decisions? Personally, I don't think so. p.s Xin was my premade and at no point did I mock Soraka. She decided to report me before my first death (when she pinged my amp tome lvl1)
Well a person siting somewhere decides it seams in this example since it was manually audited as far as i understand. And it is a hard decision to make. You did ruin somebodies game experience that is the biggest thing for me. Maybe you did not type anything for most of the game but deeds are stronger than words. For me the biggest problem is how vigilantly you tried doing same thing over and over i really did not understand what kind of plan you had to survive or trade neutrally in those situations. Iron player would probably have awful skills to go with his bad decisions so he gets a pass. You on other hand showed impressive skill and because of that you should have known better but to keep going under that damn tower. My opinion is you knew the game is lost on composition and you just wanted it to end fast while you try out your AP thing. Bad thing for you is that it is Riot employee who gets the report who decides if that's ok or not. Only saving grace it is that it is URF. It is general agreement among most players you can do whatever you want in there but that doesn't mean that every auditor has to automatically agree on that. I think even you agree that if you did the same type of tower diving in regular game it would be considered feeding. So how did we get into this position? Why is the URF a special black sheep of the family? I personally needed 1 URF win to do the quest few days ago and i was not happy when i saw what kind of circus it was. I did the quest and i am not going back in there until i need it for quest again or something. -------------------- As for Soraka. Well this discussion is about what you did not Soraka and whatever or not you did it knowing you will trade negatively each time or not. If you knew you are feeding which does not make it a bad game but doing something knowing consequences... that is deliberate then. If you had a plan then its not. But if you want my opinion on that she was super offensive and aggressive whole game i would report her for verbal abuse without thinking twice. There is a verbal abuse button in the selection (you click only that ) and then either bot or person checks the chat logs and she gets banned simple. I think your ban is debatable and if she got reported for verbal abuse i do not think there could be much debate there. In any case i think your case should have been handled the same regardless of what Soraka did and same for her. Somebody else doing bad stuff does not excuse you from doing it as well. You did call her a sad player at the end though, maybe it would be better for you if you did not. ---------------------- In any case i think we all learned something here. If nothing else there is at least 1 Riot employee willing to ban people for feeding in URF. Now is that a good thing or not... time will tell. Its a hard topic. League has bigger problems imo, biggest one being player toxicity.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: 1st no I haven't, because I believe that he had bad game. I mean he already messaged to support and came to the boards looking for justice and to show some people are too incompetent to do their job. Watching the video will 100% prove me right since many of you don't really know how to handle such situations. Neither do the greens (they only know how to repeat the stuff Riot told them). People that know they are doing something wrong would never loose their time by making a post on the boards (at least the semi-rational thinking ones) . 2nd have you ever played URF ? Do you not know how people play in this mode or in any other gamemods ? Do you want to watch some of my URF gameplay ? Because you will say that I am inting as well. I am 100% of the time going to fight someone no matter how far or how behind he is. This is how the mode works, you can be fed and still get fu-cked by 0/12 or be 0/10 and still kill 16/2. That's the beauty of the mode. You are playing for around 10-20min every game so obviously you won't tryhard in this shit. The %%%% do you mean ?
Well i watched the whole video. Yasuo is hardly innocent. Going in on every fight is one thing tower diving 5 times and dying before 8 minutes is another. League is a team game and how you behave to your teammates matters. Riot is trying to fight against toxic community. If there is a guideline to ban somebody if he is being offensive to his teammates regardless of game mode than i understand the decision to ban. There was a soraka on team which very aggressively pointed out that for her it is important she wins the game and would like people not to feed and play URF like they usually do going in on every engage. She was laughed at whole game and yasuo was tower diving and dying like there is no tomorrow. But again like i said since its URF.. its probably excessive. But if decission for ban was made that is also ok, its good to make examples out people who do not appreciate others and feed like there is no tommorow. Why? Because there is really no doubt that the way yasuo played ruined the game experience for Soraka and that is what matters here. Be nice to your teammates and help clean up the toxicity rather than support the toxic behaviour just because its URF. Also the players kind of showed 0 respect towards the report system, implying they can do whatever they want because its URF and there is no way they will get banned no matter what they do. So if you taunt the snake don't complain if it bites you in your behind. I say KARMA; and well deserved.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: >If you are not climbing the problem is you. If you are good player on average you will have a better team, because on your team there are only 4 spots left to fill in ocassional bad players and 5 spots on your oponents. So if you are not climbing you are the bad player ruining other peoples games not the other way around. blah blah blah . Wake up buddy. I've been in his elo, I've had these people. You are playing normals/arams/bot games and think you can teach someone how to climb... . Not just anyone but a person who reached way higher elo than you. Before saying that it doesn't matter what rank you are, IT DOES. The higher you climb the more teambased the game gets. People know how to abuse every single mistake and they obviously know how to abuse the fact that the enemy team has a troll. Soraka jungle adc in **DIAMOND** elo is obvious trolling. You **CAN'T** win a game with just 4 people (unless you are 30+ min into the game with insane gold lead and many towers taken down + inhib) >Also, where do you draw a line between trolling and not trolling? This is ranked. Test your shitty builds/experiments in normals. Ranked =/= normals. The players are not the same, the environment is not the same, the results after the game are not the same etc. etc. . >I am so tired of people like you who get all anxy when somebody is not playing something you think they should be playing. And I'm tired of people like you who don't have any common sense because you prefer typing/talking first and thinking second. >SO he plays Soraka jungle so what? Lets say that there is a what you consider a troll like that for each position. And lets say that when you queue one of the 10 people is one of those people. You have a 44 percent chance to get him on your team and 55 percent chance to get him on oponent team. I think you should not talk about subjects you have no clue about. Casual players almost 100% of the time don't have any idea what they are deffending. End of the story
My point still stands. If you are not climbing the problem is you. It is more likely what you consider a troll to end up on enemy team, so stop crying play the game, get better and rank up. I never said i can teach anyone how to climb i just said the most simple fact which just flies over the head of to many people But you make a good point, if you want to climb learn to abuse the troll. Play nine games with a troll in them and on average win 5 games when troll is on enemy team, lose 4 when its on yours and you should end up with positive LP. This is simple math which i majored in has nothing to do with my current league rank. I played league from season 1 , even lost my first account because of 4 years of inactivity, now i am older, slower, more casual and silver... I'm actually running 56 percent win rate in ranked with only 68 games after i started playing after a long pause. Everything changed so i think i adapted fast considering. If i keep it up i'm going to get back to my previous league. Also i played urf and aram just to pad my experience and dust doing the quest thingies so i can expand my champion pool, since i lost my old account and all. Anyhow what i said is true. If nothing else i know that because i watch a lot of high elo streams this days and the only thing that really changes is people are more effective at what they do but the game concept stays the same. And yes there are trolls, yes there are feeders, there are really silly wins and losses. There is one constant though. If you are good you will climb. If you do not climb the problem is you because you are the only persistent thing in your games. -------- You failed to draw a line between trolling and not trolling. How do you define a shitty build? Ranked is the best place to practice and see what works and what does not because there you are going up against people of same skill. Normals are circus. Sometimes you get bunch of noobs, sometimes you get rolled over by a 5 man premade, but most of the times its 4v5 because somebody leaves early on. This makes it really hard to properly test out a build, you want to test it against peers of equal skill and those are in ranked because matchmaking is made to match you with those. ----- But i do have common sense. If you are better than average of your league and you play enough you will climb. I never said you should play soraka jungle to climb. I said if people play things that are probably weak choice you should be happy not angry because it increases your ods. You should certainly not try to pressure for getting them banned. Live and let people to live. There are no rules against it currently so have some common sense and let them play what they want. -------------------- I am defending the right of the person to play whatever he or she wants in the boundaries defined by the game. That is common sense that you love so much. Game does not prohibit soraka jungle so who are you to decide that is a troll pick and worthy of any kind of punishment. This is a general concept and has nothing to do with skill or experience in the game. You are being oppressive and a bully and you should reconsider your life choices.
evanisaiah (EUNE)
: getting better
Easiest way is to watch streams of high level players they usually play smart if they do well. If they don't find another one repeat until you find a smart player. Other than that: Focus on killing minions and try to be ahead of your oponent by a good margin. If you can't then your mechanics or champion choice is bad or at least not any better than your oponents which means you are were you belong to. Focus on objectives. Each time a kill on enemy player is made try to get a tower or dragon or later on nashor. Close out the games when ahead, dont play with your enemies just because. After you get a lead, group push and try to wrap it up or at least get an inhibitor. Once you get one it should be easier to get more and then the game is basically won. If you have problems grouping because everyone is doing their own thing figure out who the strongest player on your team is and pair up with him help him get kills and snowball even more ( this works best as support ). Basically if your adc is not good choose a midlaner or top laner whoever is ahead and help him get more ahead. If nobady is good just do what you can and hope next game is better. Hope this helps. good luck!
: Well, i am a high dia/low master player and i have been stuck on high plat for over 200 games this season because of unbelievable amount of uncarriable teammates that simply do not belong in that elo. So there is definitely something wrong with mm or ranked system in general this season. Either that or i have just been EXTREMELY unlucky. Not to mention the horrible demotion shield that exists in ranked. Like who had the bright idea of not letting you demote but still keep dropping your mmr on every loss, resulting in extremely poor LP gains and huge LP losses. That takes all motivation to play out of the player. Their defense is that people don't like to demote after they just promoted but i'd much rather demote than fck up my mmr. I don't want to feel like there is no progress for the next 200 games because it takes too long to equalize your mmr again. If you don't allow players to demote, then don't allow their mmr to drop either. either that or just let them demote. Or have an option like a checkbox so the player can decide whether or not he wants to have demotion shield mechanic active or not.
Eh dude.... if you are droping MMR you will be gaining more LP on wins and lose less on losses not the other way around. Also if you can't climb you are the problem, because if you are good there are only 4 spots on your team for bad players and 5 on theirs so 44 percent to 55 you will have a bad player. Logic works same for any number of bad players, numbers change but are always favorable for you if you are good. THere is a chance you are super unlucky but many players complain about same things and not everyone can be unlucky so its probably you.
ferenchawke (EUNE)
: Well my friend.This game comes down to a coinflip which will decide if you win or lose.Sometimes you will get decent teammates,sometimes bad ones,sometimes amazing ones and the enemy team can have these aswell.All of this are decided by a coinflip who gets what.Some people are more lucky and get decent teams, some have worse luck then others and will see more bad ones. The one question you should ask yourself is,does ranked games truly worth the time and suffering to rank up or just play normals. Because this will not change any time soon and you have to accept that when you start the search for a solo/due que anything can happen.
Coin flip is 50-50. if there is 1 good player (you), one bad one and 8 average ones chances are the bad one ends up on enemy team. 4 slots vs 5 slots, since one is taken by you always being on your team. Hence it is 44 to 55 which is nowhere near a coin flip. 10 percent difference is enough to steadily climb. If you dont climb or feel like games are a coin flip or worse you are the bad player and there is no nice way to suggar coat it. This logic works the same for any number of bad players. Numbers change a bit but its always bigger chance there will be more of them on enemy team if you are good and more on your team if you are one of them.
: > [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-26T13:47:27.702+0000) > > No, that's putting words in my mouth. I'm just clarifying what Riot is stating in their response, as OP claimed they said something completely different than what they actually did. > > Messing up once or twice is one thing. Respawning and doing the same thing over and over again is another. What if you're just bad? And tired?
Well the answer is clearly not tower dive 5 times and end up 3 or 4 kills behind before minute 10, and thats just bot lane.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: Its fine when the system puts the punishmets. But its not fine when your case was MANUALLY REVIEWED. This is the second time this week I am seeing these stupid and lazy decisions. I am surprised such people are working for a company like Riot.
DId you actually watch his video? Because i have and only saving grace is that its URF. But if the question is did he vigilantly do trades which he 99 percent of time knew will probabably go bad then the answer is yes he did and a lot.
: > [{quoted}](name=LuckyCritOmg,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-26T13:26:35.018+0000) > Even in this wording Riot are saying they don't believe I was actually trolling or 'running it down' but instead just 'were not having a good game'. Laughed so hard on this one!No wonder ranked games are a clown fiesta. P.s. URF is suppossed to be a fun game mode to play and enjoy while trying all kind of fun playstyles.However,i'm literally tired or seeing Riot's reasoning "just a bad game"....
Vigilantly tower diving and trading 1 for 2 multiple times is not a playstile its just trying to piss of soraka on purpose at that point.
: What is actually wrong with Riot?!?! Are they on shrooms? Inting in URF? WHats is this shit man let the man free he didn't do shit. You either die or kill in urf there's no int here! I demand justice
Well if everyone is having fun thats fine but if you have a player asking you not to fed and you decide to spite him... that is a problem. Idea is that everyone enoys the game so if somebody wants to win for whatever reason and asks you to stop tower diving... you tower dive more? And then complain after you get suspended... hmmmmm.
Terra (EUNE)
: Lol they focusing bans on ARURF than ranked itself. good job good job.
Oh they are banning in ranked. I report each time somebody is verbaly abusing or afk a lot and i got three people confirmed banned in last 30 games or so.
Kokozuma (EUW)
: My ranked games: Ashe with smite, banning team champs in champ select, buying no items, following jungler to try and steal buffs and then come to lane level 1 while we're 6 and tries to fight. --> Does not get banned and seeing the match history did this a lot more times. Another ranked game: Tahm Kench top with smite ruining jungler's path and never going to lane. What riot said about it: 'I strongly recommend to use the report feature whenever you encounter such behavior exhibited in your games, since even a single report is enough to trigger a warning or punishment for the player in order to bring him one step closer towards reforming. **I also want to highlight the fact that we have multiple steps in the escalation path since we want to give players multiple chance to reform and to reconsider their behavior.**' (I reported him ingame as well but I felt like writing support) You: Gets banned for 1 urf game where you just don't do well because it's urf and you try something Yup, balanced Funny thing, one riot member says, seems extreme for urf and the other one just immediately says: INT! Seems like it's really opinionated whenever someone gets banned and there are no 'strict' guidelines
You can't have strict guidelines for such things there is just to many combinations and since its individually reviewed they take into account a lot of factors before they decide. Watch his video and you will see he is not innocent. Only saving grace its that its URF but still....
: So dying once 1v4 counts as inting? What if you were just playing and your girlfriend or mum distracted you or your cat got in the way of your screen? Immediate 2 week suspension? Doesn't seem right...
He died way more than that. Kept tower diving and traiding 1 for 2 most of the time. Still its URF. This shows however if you play super agro and not really smart even for URF you can get banned if somebody reports and you get reviewed by wrong person. Good to know.
: 14 day ban for one urf game - is riots punishment system unjust? [proof inside]
I'm just going to comment on a video here pointing out how yasuo died this game, so judge yourself if he was deliberaltly doing stupid things and knowing it or just being innocent URF player. 0:27 - doing a 1 v 4 ( soon to be 1 v 5 ) at best: does nothing they recall and heal at worst: you lose summoners and/or die. pointless flexing 1:53: level 1 tower dive initiated by yasuo, with ez on more than 50 percent HP at best : 2 for 2, nobady will convince me you can get out of there with geting 2 kills. at worst, 0 for 2 pointless flexing 3:22: suicide on ez, leaves windwall while ez is spaming his things at him. 5 bars vs 2 on level 2. Ez walks of with 3 bars left Soraka keps repeating he will repport him if he keeps feeding. 3:55, another tower dive initiated by yasuo on level 4 this time. This one looks like it had a good chance to be a 2 for 2, but ended up 2 kills for enemies and only one for yasuos team. Again i doubt there is any scenario yasuo or his laning budy get out of this one even if they kill both. At this point the score is 4 and 7. Minion score is 28 to 17. Yasuo can repeat 100 times they traded each time and denied minions but 11 minions is nort worth 3 kills and assists. So they are feeding. HARD. and the game just started. 4:25 another tower dive. Another 1 for 2. Ez full HP this time. This is also best and worst scenario in like 90+ percent of cases i'd say. 4:40 this one is just unfortunate aggresive cannon shot into wave while laning partner cannons defensivly on tower. Yasuo gets kiled in matter of seconds in 1 v 2. 5:50 cannons in range of his tower, enemy team goes agro and kills him but xin in turn gets 2 kills. 2 for 1 this time. He didnt do much though but die, tower and xin killed the enemies. 6:24 1 v 2 tower dive to finish of very low heca after xin died. At best 1 for 1 leaving ez alone to farm. At worst 0 for 1 which happened because heca survived. 6:45 minutes in, score is 8 and 14 total in lane. MInion score is 67 to 51. 7:03 and this one takes the cake. Tower dives to kill minions before they leave tower range... while his laning budy waits outside of tower range. Tower was just about to kill him, 3 tower shots landed, 4th one in air yasuo sliver of HP left, but heca showed up last second and grabbed a kill. 8:20 1 for 2 trade mostly in range of tower after ez was killed. Probably stayed to long, also the fight initiated by laning partner this time. 8:53, gets machine guned down by Jayce. At this point the game is in my opinion pretty much lost. Ironically enough not even because of anything that happened in bot, jayce was dominating top whole game and is just 3 shoting everyone by doing his combo over and over again. After this yasuo dies lots more trying to make plays happen but gets poked into earth trying to do so because score is 31 to 22 atm and enemy has huge poke advantage. So it probably doesnt matter i guess and it is URF. While geting destroyed they chat a lot, soraka is very agresive as was hole game threatening reports, bans, calling it a circus saying AP yasuo should be played only in full team and all kinds of other nasty stuff. THe team laughs her of saying tehre is no way anyone gets banned over URF, etc etc. At the end of the game yasuo calls soraka a sad player. IMO, the team should have repported soraka for flaming instead. But yasuo plays borderline intentionally doing bad trades and not caring as well. What a mess :D.
: I noticed, the majority of green tags defend trolls and try to throw shade onto the user who created the post which is just downright scummy. There was also the incident where, despite clearly indicating and communicating with their team, the Singed Master was suspended for playing Smite Singed Support. I think this is there way of killing the game off.
Well i'm not a green tag but i still think picture is a bit more complex than players right Riot wrong. On soraka thing: If dude wants to play a soraka jungle he can, there is no rule or line seperating champions which can jungle and which can't. Also i ocassionally have games where there is no jungle becuase the dude is autofilled and can't jungle. Should he get banned for it? I do not think so nor do i know any rule requiring that. Meta are just pointers to how to play the game. Pro teams often used to switch top and bot, sometimes they used to send 2 people mid, sometimes support very early roams with jungle. Pointers. Not rules. Personally often i just go of and support top if i think i can shutdown the top laner hard if he is melee and let my ADC if he can solo bot to do it ( EZ and the likes ). SOmetimes it fails and i have 4 angry teammates blaming me for everything, probably reporting me as well. No bans or warnings yet. I would also go in jungle and clear with jungler as support if i saw any merrit to it. THe point is everyone should do what they think improves their chances of winning the game and should not be banned for it as long the intention was fine. On Yasuo thing: As for the unlucky yasuo ban. From what i can tell somebody made a decision he made one tower dive to many. And he was doing it with vigilance. Even tower diving on minion wave (with no enemies present) probably to steal them from his laning partner and losing most of HP bar and get finished by enemies once they showed up. Most people agree its probably to extreme for URF. But the last thing Riot should do know is revert the decision, that would cause a huge mess. Be moderate, play with your head and you will be fine. Also! and i think this is very important, if your team is fine with doing crazy stuff do it. But if you have a person in your team pleading for you not to feed and you vigilantly do it anyway that might be the problem. Soraka kindly asked not to fed and do stupid stuff and she was made fun of whole game for it. So it comes down to that. The banned player ignored soraka even though he knew he made her life miserable and kept doing it. With vigilance. I think a strong argument could be made he did not think twice about it and maybe even did it on purpose. I would personally not ban somebody on account on that but i would also not attack somebody if he would. So imo, everything is fine here. League has much bigger problems. I think considering how big League is and how toxic community is ( and what more proof do you need than bunch of blood hungry players taking it out on one brave green just trying to clear things out ), Riot and their employes are doing their best to keep things in check. ITs not a perfect system but at least they try. I myself got 3 confirmated bans out of my reports in last couple of weeks. Each time i think the people well deserved it and i am proud i am contributing as well. Problem is most of the times people don't care or repport people for wrong things ( like playing of meta lol ). I hope we all learned something here. I sure did.
Pavle2001 (EUW)
: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/7boK2eeH-is-this-punishable-pleaes-some1-answear-me Soraka jungle adc in diamond elo Riot : He might've had a bad game lol Btw another green was indirectly defending this troll :) . I guess saying meanie words to people who intentionally throw games is worse than them actually doing it
> [{quoted}](name=Pavle2001,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2019-02-27T07:46:06.527+0000) > > https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/7boK2eeH-is-this-punishable-pleaes-some1-answear-me > > Soraka jungle adc in diamond elo > Riot : He might've had a bad game lol > > Btw another green was indirectly defending this troll :) . I guess saying meanie words to people who intentionally throw games is worse than them actually doing it Dude really? If you are not climbing the problem is you. If you are good player on average you will have a better team, because on your team there are only 4 spots left to fill in ocassional bad players and 5 spots on your oponents. So if you are not climbing you are the bad player ruining other peoples games not the other way around. Also, where do you draw a line between trolling and not trolling? I am so tired of people like you who get all anxy when somebody is not playing something you think they should be playing. SO he plays Soraka jungle so what? Lets say that there is a what you consider a troll like that for each position. And lets say that when you queue one of the 10 people is one of those people. You have a 44 percent chance to get him on your team and 55 percent chance to get him on oponent team. If you are such a strong believer in meta you should be happy that such a people exist because as long as you play meta then you win rate will go up on average. So whats the problem? Also even if playing soraka jungle is bad where do you stop? Is sivir jungle bad as well? What about teemo jungle? I happen to know a person who streams super high elo games and had some great sucess as teemo jungle. The point is there is no rule ( thank heavens for that ) what champions you can and can't play in certain position, so if somebody thinks playing soraka jungle is good idea and is not doing it to throw the game on purpose that should never even be considered to be banable ofense. Maybe the dude is soraka one trick pony and got autofilled jungle. In that case its better he plays soraka jungle than play a champion he never ever played before. And autofills happen on both sides. At same time maybe you played bot against lucian and crushed it. Maybe the dude playing it had 3 games on it but was autofilled and usually just play brawlers in jungle. I'm sure you would not mind that would you? So yea just calm down a bit and let people play what they want. If they play bad they will go down the ranks and you will not see them again.

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