: Try playing high ranked matches with a ping above 80.. it's not playable. Not that i would leave, but the the winning chances are going down pretty fast, especially if you are not ahead and need to make picks, where a good reaction time is essential.
It's playable if you can manage it - And there comes my whole point about learning how to play through high ping spikes makes you a better player, instead of just leaving.
: 300ms is high 200ms is high 100ms is average <50 is low On another note it's important to understand that an unstable Ping is harder to play with than a stable slightly higher ping due to inconsistent predictions made by your brain If you are used to 300 then it doesn't seem high. If you are like me used to stable 50 then 300 is abysmal especially if it is fluctuating between 50 and 300 with millisecond peaks at 5000. I don't condone afk/leaving, ping issues don't excuse that.
> I don't condone afk/leaving, ping issues don't excuse that. And this is what all my rant is about. Players constantly complaining about their ping, calling it unplayable and then leave.
duckarp (EUNE)
: There are two parts to your "letter". 1.) people leaving the game - I don't think anyone would disagree with that point 2.) 100-300ms isn't high. THIS is a false statement. If you're used to 30ms and suddenly everything happens with 0.3s delay, it is noticeable. If you're used to higher pings and you just stick to aram games as you say, then you probably don't care too much, but for the rest of us it is a big deal. You can test your reaction time here for instance http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime. Mine is currently about 210-230ms (mind you I'm currently sick and very tired). If you add another 200-300ms lag to that, suddenly there's a 0.5 delay to any action. Sure, it doesn't mean the guy with 30ms is necessarily better than you, but he already has some advantage and it's very noticeable in a competitive environment. Also, when someone complains about high ping, it's kinda rare for that person to have STABLE high ping. It usually means his connection is fluctuating and so the delay is not consistent. If he's used to 30ms, of course it's not a pleasant experience. The value shown in the game is usually just an average value, not the current REAL delay.
You are right that there are two parts to this letter and people leaving the game is my number one cencern. The second concern isn't the value of their ping and wether it's high or not - It's simply the complaining. What good does complaining ever do? What is the point in telling me that you are used to 50ms, and now can't play with 125ms because it messes up your game? It doesn't do any difference at all in the end, you're still in the same situation as you were before you wrote it. When you play with strangers all it does is put the team in a negative situation and mood, and often end up losing the situation. As I've stated in another comment; > I don't care if you play 'worse than usual' because of your ping, I don't care if we lose or win because of it, I care if you end up leaving because of it.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Noomie93,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=rqwAARo5,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-16T12:01:18.929+0000) > > 1. (...) **without **complaining/**leaving.** > 3. (...) **without leaving. **. > As I said last time, It&#x27;s about adaption. (...) Just stop complaining/**leaving** > As I wrote in my OP (...) And how do you do that? By **NOT LEAVING**. There's some miss communication between us. I never said it's okay to leave the game, but they are allowed to complain if lag spikes aren't normal for them. > [{quoted}](name=The Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=rqwAARo5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-03-16T10:55:16.984+0000) > > If they AFK/Grieft your game, then you just report them at the end. There's that. I guess it got lost in everything else I said. Going AFK is never okay, no matter the circustance (well, unless your house is on fire or something extraordinary). Those who use high ping as an excuse to leave the game are garbage.
No, you've never said that it's okay to leave but you clearly missed the whole point with my rant. And no again, your remark regarding "Just report them" did not get unnoticed, it's the reason I said this: > This is a frustration that won't come of just reporting them at the end, this is a frustration I needed to write about on the forum. But hey, even if we dont agree on the arguments we can atlest agree on the conclusion that leavers are assholes.
6KEMBE4ORBA (EUNE)
: I somewhat agree with Humpelstilzche but as a whole, "perception" is a sidenote. It's not of importance. What matters is: _ "What can a player with 20-50ms do VS a player with 100-150ms"?_ Does Player 1 have an advantage? How big? We all know the answers to these questions. Ever since the CS betas or whatever twitch multiplayer/online game 300ms is a disaster, ppl were/are kicked out with a ping higher than 100. I laughed at the "new generation gamers" bit. There was always whining (understandable), or the simple "let your teammates know" that your having problems so they can act accordingly, etc. League, while it is not on the pure/raw skill level that is Counter-stirke - it's similar and needs low ping --- < 100ms. (I'm being generous here) --- That said, I agree - leaving your teammates cause you have a high ping (given that it's still playable) is not the right thing to do.
> "What can a player with 20-50ms do VS a player with 100-150ms"? It depends all on the player. A player with 20ms is not automaticly better than a player with 150ms. But thanks. Atleast one player agrees with me.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Noomie93,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=rqwAARo5,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-16T11:13:28.333+0000) > > First of all: > No, even in a first world country you can not automaticly expect to have a high internet speed, coming from a residence in a first world country. Yes I can. [List of countries Internet Speed, Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds) [Internet Speed by Countries, Map](https://www.fastmetrics.com/internet-connection-speed-by-country.php) Anything in yellow is supposed to have at least 12 MB/s and those are most of 1st world contries. In Europe, unless you are from France, Italy, Greece, ... you're supposed to have good connection. If you can't afford good connection that's another story, but that goes to my previous point. If you've always played at X ping, then it doesn't make a difference. It makes a difference when your connection is Y speed and THEN it goes to X at random times. That part you purposefully chose to ignore. > Second: > If your ping is as high as a second it&#x27;s fair to say it&#x27;s unplayable. But not at 300ms, where you can still play. You just need to learn to adapt to the ping. Like I said, you purposefully chose to ignore that part of the argument. Those who complain about high ping do that because it isn't normal or them. 300 ping is still not playable. You can't even try to argue that. 300 ping is twice as high as the average reaction time. Anything between 100-200 is "playable", but only if you are used to it. Anything above 200 isn't. > Fourth: > I play exclusively ARAM, a unserious game mode everyone agrees are just for fun. Therefore I can say that they should just &#x27;play and have fun with it&#x27;. Dude, it's like I'm talking to a wall here. The way you play the game isn't THE CORRECT way to play it. Everyone does that in their own way. Some are more competitive than others, even in ARAM. Maybe there's a guy out there that ONLY PLAYS ARAM COMPETITEVELY. Who are you to tell him that he should "play for fun"?
Then lets go through these arguments again: > Yes I can. Let me rephrase this one - you can not expect every player from a first world country to have a high connection speed. You said it yourself, it's about the money and the internet provider. Therefore you can't say anything like "Oh you are from X and should have a great connection". > Those who complain about high ping do that because it isn't normal or them. There's 3 kinds of people in this scenario: 1. If you not are a new player to the game and actually have played it for some time, it's fair to say that your connection speed wasn't as great then as it is now. It's then fair to say that you were used to play with higher ping, and therefore shouldn't complain when the ping spikes now. You may not play as good as usual but you should be able to play through it **without **complaining/**leaving.** 2. You always play at higher ping and are used to it. Then there's no bother complaining if it's your usual speed. 3. You are a new player and have always played with low ping and suddenly get some spikes. I say yet again, when these things happen you're not gonna play as great as you usually play but even if the ping is higher than 200 you can atleast play through it **without leaving. **. All it takes is for you to actually want to learn how to play through it. As I said last time, It's about adaption. If you get lag spikes take the opportunity and learn how to play through it. Just stop complaining/**leaving** and try to do something about it instead. > The way you play the game isn't THE CORRECT way to play it. It's not my way of playing it, it's the community's. If >99% of the gamer base play ARAM just for fun, it's not wrong to either asume or tell the rest ~1% to cheer up and play just for fun. And if it were wrong: If you can't play competetively because of your ping, what more is there to do but just play. Through. The. Game. (Notice the pattern?) As I wrote in my OP; "I get that it's not always fun to play a game with high ping, but think how it is for us when you force your team to play 4v5.". If you can't play competetivly you can atleast suck it up and not ruin the game for the 9 other people playing. And how do you do that? By **NOT LEAVING**. See the bold words? This is what I focus my irritation on. I don't care if you play 'worse than usual' because of your ping, I don't care if we lose or win because of it, I care if you end up **leaving** because of it. Can you really say that I can't be frustrated with people **leaving** games thanks to 'high' ping? This is a frustration that won't come of just reporting them at the end, this is a frustration I needed to write about on the forum.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Noomie93,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=rqwAARo5,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-16T10:35:10.117+0000) > > No, 100ms is not high ping. Neither is 200ms, or 300ms. I'm sorry but it is high. In 1st world contries, anything above 100 ping is pitiful. We are in the Information Era, so it's expected to have good quality on our connection. > When we get closer to a second, then you can claim that you have high ping. The human brain processes information really fast. For instance, last time I did a reaction test, I had ~150 ms of clicking time. Our brain is even faster than that. What this means is, the lower your ping the faster your brain can adjust to a situation and make better predictions. If my ping is as "high" as my click reaction time, then something is definitely wrong. > Stop the whining about your ever so slightly higher ping than you would like to have and learn to play with it instead. If you think you are a great player but a slightly higher ping put you off your game and make the champ unplayable, then let&amp;#039;s face it; You are not a great player. You have some misconception in your mind. Someone who CONSTANTLY plays at ~50 ping (or lower), will notice the difference if their ping jumps to 100. They complain because that's not normal. They are used to play with a lower ping and it will impact their gameplay. On the other hand, if someone is used to playing at 150 ms, they can play around it since they've been doing it always. The same goes for FPS. I play League at ~50 fps, which usually drop to ~30 fps past the 30 minute mark and goes so low as 15 fps in a late-game 5v5 fight. That's a big leap in fps, which affects how well I can play. It has nothing to do with me being good or not. I can play at 50 fps, even 30, but I can't play at 15. Likewise, I can play at 60 ms, maybe even 80, but I can't play at 100+. > And the last thing is - Just play and have fun with it. Games is here to entertain you. Not everyone plays the game the same way as you, especially if they are in ranked. If I want to have "fun" I won't be playing Ranked, nor League for that matter. You are not entitled to tell others how they should feel about their gameplay. If they AFK/Grieft your game, then you just report them at the end. *** Overall, your perception of this issue is very narrow.
First of all: No, even in a first world country you can not automaticly expect to have a high internet speed, coming from a residence in a first world country. Second: If your ping is as high as a second it's fair to say it's unplayable. But not at 300ms, where you can still play. You just need to learn to adapt to the ping. Third: Adaption, and learn to play with it - Like I said. Fourth: I play exclusively ARAM, a unserious game mode everyone agrees are just for fun. Therefore I can say that they should just 'play and have fun with it'.
: I think it's a matter of perception. Maybe you are used to playing with this kind of ping. But many others are not. Of course the definition of "high" ping can vary, but a ping of 100ms (or even way below that) can definitely be noticed and DOES have an impact on how the game feels. And how it "feels" and what kind of "feeling" you can play with strongly depends on what you are used to. In the past I had worse internet and the best I could get was roughly 70ms and I was okay with it. But nowadays I play with 19 ms and if it goes up to somethin like 50 I DEFINITELY notice and the game feels weird and unresponsive. So please don't think that your opinion about high ping is THE correct one. It strongly depends on the individual person, their situation and what they are used to.
I do get that the ping can inpact your game, im not saying anything about that. Im just stating the obvious that you shouldn't just leave a game when the ping is slightly higher what you are used to, and instead learn to play with it. But still, I don't think, and I'll never think, that 100ms is 'high' ping. It's a tenth of a second - which is almost nothing.
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