: > [{quoted}](name=OG FeedBoi,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=k3KqtWQz,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-02-24T16:35:52.156+0000) > > Yes, I am definitely aware of this and see what you mean. I was jsut surprised that a single report resulted in an investigation. Also the one who was referred to with this was one of my premades - I was not aware that there was a "zero tolerance" sort of policy that jumped to punitive measures like this immediately, at least based on past experiences. No, I will not risk the permaban, just wanted a tad more clarity on how the system works, which I now have. To which i would add this: there were plenty of players who came here to ask what exactly the "rules" of bans and punishments are, but as far as i know RioT never released this information precisely because, quite reasonably, they don't want to allow players to "enjoy" a "small quantity of flaming" before they may risk punishments. As for now, none precisely know how many times you MAY get away with flaming (and even if you are really allowed such "times" or not) before something happens. Just know that many players expected to get away with some "kill yourself" because "it was the first time" and ended up banned, restricted, or permabanned. So the smartest thing is still to never risk anything and avoid those obvious words of doom.
The more I know lol... yeah I am definitely not going to risk it from this point on, call it a wake up call or whatever. I think itll be okay, would just be very disappointed for getting permabanned over something puny like a teammate being annoyed because I dont gank due to him being constantly pushed and proceeding to report me for something or other and that resulting in a permaban because the 14 day ban is a "last chance" of sorts.
: hard luck riot ban system is %%%%%%ed anyway
Yeah I noticed, have been flamed as n****r etc. repeatedly (I am black so I obviously reported for hate speech), and no sign of any sort of punishment happening. Messing with a friend and a random from the game reports me, insta 14. Sucks to be me I guess lol
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Thank you for the clarification, I appreciate the information.
: The good, and at this point old: _"yes i wrote "kill yourself" or "@@@" but with a brand new, fascinating and exciting shade of meaning that no civilzed person could ever possibly mistake for flaming!"_ ...too bad that this was probably not enough to prevent someone to report you, which it's what should have happened. So someone arguably did not get your irresistible and flashy irony. Shame on them. The good news is however this: since by your word you NEVER meant to flame with this innocent misstep, you now know that it's smarter to NEVER write "kill yourself" or "@@@", no matter how innovative, creative or shocking you think you are. Given that, in a few days you will have your account back and you will probably never risk the permaban. Probably.
Yes, I am definitely aware of this and see what you mean. I was jsut surprised that a single report resulted in an investigation. Also the one who was referred to with this was one of my premades - I was not aware that there was a "zero tolerance" sort of policy that jumped to punitive measures like this immediately, at least based on past experiences. No, I will not risk the permaban, just wanted a tad more clarity on how the system works, which I now have.
: > [{quoted}](name=C4rolijn91,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=k3KqtWQz,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2018-02-24T01:17:43.106+0000) > > Imho you should always humanly review before permabanning. Chat restrictions and 14 day bans sure, automatic, false-positives don't really matter here. But a permaban is kinda serious so a human investigation would be nice. > > Never got any bans and I don't intend to but it's more fair for fringe cases like someone is called cysala in RL and you say yo cys go baron or sth and get permabanned because cys, that's not so nice xD Know what? I would offer myself to review ALL the reports and for FREE from today to the day this game will die to never allow some poor innocent and nice guy to be ever permabanned again...if only someone could give me, once and for all, a good explanation of WHY these guys REALLY NEEDED to write "kill yourself" or "@@@" in their chats to begin with, instead than finally understand that they should NEVER do it for their own good! "Yeah but those guys does not know that they risk the permaban until they come here and read it!". Ok but we are reading this kind of stuff by years at this point, and still people are not even a bit wiser? Good lord...!
No I get that, for sure. I wasn't sure of the exact rules/strictness of said rule because in past seasons it was significantly less strict. I did do wrong by the terms and conditions specified by riot, just wanted to find out some specifics so that I can avoid getting perma'd after my ban is lifted. The reason I was surprised was that it was not the person I was bantering who reported me, he was one of my premades, and that a single report was enough to warrant an investigation and a subsequent ban. This doesn't of course excuse my behaviour, but it simply clarifies some things that have changed since I started playing the game.
Shukr4n (EUW)
: I hate wot without chatlog. Or u wrote to kiss your syster good, deserved. Stop wriying story of your life when banned. It wont lift it
I was not trying to get my ban lifted, I wanted to understand the system and how dire the situation is, which I now do, no thanks to comments like this. The chatlogs are in the board, if you had read previous responses prior to giving your opinion.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
yeah I mean, the chat logs are somewhere in the board, and while I did break the rules (said "%%%" but with different meaning -> play on a friends name) it was just surprising that it was isnta 14. I understand the system now though thanks to the many friendly people who helped inform me though.
looonster (EUW)
: its really easy to get punished just accept it.... that your account that 1 shot from perma banned now.
Im not fighting the decision, just wanted to understand a bit better so I can adjust accordingly. Didnt know how much stricter the regulations had gotten since early s4 when I started playing and swearing etc. was pretty muhc not punished at all. I get what I did wrong now and wont repeat it. Guess its just up to being careful now.
: You had > %%% in your chatlogs That was either a fg­t or a ky­s. HMMM That triggers instant 14 day ban
As I explained above, yes it was a "%%%", but not with the same meaning that it usually had (if you care you can check my comment on it). I now know why the ban happened and whatnot, I was jsut very surprised that it was a first offense type situation because in previous season that didnt happen (from personal experience as well as being called a n****r or similar things frequently and reporting/people I know being reported and facing no punishment ->s4 through s6 at the least, dont know when i stopped paying attention to stuff like that)
: I understand it, I was equally surprised when it happened to me even though I admit my behavior wasn't acceptable.. Even checked it through support to see if that was thier policy now.., and it was confirmed.
Things sure have changed since season 4 RIP. The context was important, but i get that riot cant check that. Oh well, gg wp for me i guess lol
iSneez (EUNE)
: > for context, the friend is called deniz, hence peniz is a play on his name (hence the z). The shabad and shabot is a play on his name as well, and the afk threats were accompanied by lols because they were a.) not serious and b.9 spur of the moment because he stole a kill and spat me into an enemy turret after eating me(tahm kench). The AI jokes are also a running gag. There was also reverse banter, but that isnt recorded in the chat logs that I got. Based on what ive heard the caveat is the "%%%". Unfortunately for me, this stands for a long running inside joke, "kek yuselez shab***" (yes its silly and childish I know), but got picked up as the acronym for kill yourself by the ban system and resulted in this ban. yes, the ky s triggered the 14 days :(, for everything else you could just get a chat ban
Sucks to be me i suppose, well, I wont underestimate Riots "a1 top tier super accurate" ban system in the future. T_T
: Haha, I didnt think of doing so, I came straight here, anyhow: Game 1 OG FeedBoi: 61 OG FeedBoi: i am aware OG FeedBoi: i just didnt have my hand on my mouse OG FeedBoi: yep OG FeedBoi: slick OG FeedBoi: because they focused me OG FeedBoi: ty OG FeedBoi: nice save OG FeedBoi: ugh OG FeedBoi: dont run under tower next time OG FeedBoi: and why do you alwys pus hthe lane extra hard OG FeedBoi: makes my death even worse OG FeedBoi: every time OG FeedBoi: no im underlevelled OG FeedBoi: because you push the lane in OG FeedBoi: which leads to this OG FeedBoi: why? because you push the lane in xD OG FeedBoi: no OG FeedBoi: ? OG FeedBoi: ... OG FeedBoi: %%% OG FeedBoi: dipshit OG FeedBoi: afk lol OG FeedBoi: screw you OG FeedBoi: suck my balls OG FeedBoi: peniz OG FeedBoi: shabad OG FeedBoi: are you a shabot? OG FeedBoi: not like this OG FeedBoi: ? OG FeedBoi: shabot OG FeedBoi: this tahm OG FeedBoi: always ai OG FeedBoi: more like as OG FeedBoi: artificial stupid lmao OG FeedBoi: tahm for context, the friend is called deniz, hence peniz is a play on his name (hence the z). The shabad and shabot is a play on his name as well, and the afk threats were accompanied by lols because they were a.) not serious and b.9 spur of the moment because he stole a kill and spat me into an enemy turret after eating me(tahm kench). The AI jokes are also a running gag. There was also reverse banter, but that isnt recorded in the chat logs that I got. Based on what ive heard the caveat is the "%%%". Unfortunately for me, this stands for a long running inside joke, "kek yuselez shab***" (yes its silly and childish I know), but got picked up as the acronym for kill yourself by the ban system and resulted in this ban.
also Ive left it as shab because I dont want to disclose his last name, theres more to the name which makes it make more sense... :P
iSneez (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=OG FeedBoi,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=k3KqtWQz,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-02-24T00:16:25.521+0000) > > Thank you for the extensive information. I had a few smurfs, one of which got permabanned for no reason whatsoever (very strange experience - got a french mail from riot and received no response when I tried to open a ticket, but alas). It just frustrates me a little because I think context should matter. The terms I used with friends were wrong by riots standards, but I think in the future before issuing a permaban it should definitely be looked at. Overall it just kind of sucks, particularly because of the sentimental value of the account and the significant investment I have put into it. context doesn't matter because there's to many players and its impossible for humans to check it, it wil be like in past when it took days or weeks to punish somebody, so they use automated system, so AI(computer) which dose to take into account context, it just flag and filter words.
unlucky for me I guess. Oh well, looks like im probably going to go back to wow and hs for the time being. Take a little break from the tilt (smurfs arent as fun because I own every champion on my main, and the smurf where i had all champs got permabanned for no apparent reason, so sucks to be me rn)
: Haha, I didnt think of doing so, I came straight here, anyhow: Game 1 OG FeedBoi: 61 OG FeedBoi: i am aware OG FeedBoi: i just didnt have my hand on my mouse OG FeedBoi: yep OG FeedBoi: slick OG FeedBoi: because they focused me OG FeedBoi: ty OG FeedBoi: nice save OG FeedBoi: ugh OG FeedBoi: dont run under tower next time OG FeedBoi: and why do you alwys pus hthe lane extra hard OG FeedBoi: makes my death even worse OG FeedBoi: every time OG FeedBoi: no im underlevelled OG FeedBoi: because you push the lane in OG FeedBoi: which leads to this OG FeedBoi: why? because you push the lane in xD OG FeedBoi: no OG FeedBoi: ? OG FeedBoi: ... OG FeedBoi: %%% OG FeedBoi: dipshit OG FeedBoi: afk lol OG FeedBoi: screw you OG FeedBoi: suck my balls OG FeedBoi: peniz OG FeedBoi: shabad OG FeedBoi: are you a shabot? OG FeedBoi: not like this OG FeedBoi: ? OG FeedBoi: shabot OG FeedBoi: this tahm OG FeedBoi: always ai OG FeedBoi: more like as OG FeedBoi: artificial stupid lmao OG FeedBoi: tahm for context, the friend is called deniz, hence peniz is a play on his name (hence the z). The shabad and shabot is a play on his name as well, and the afk threats were accompanied by lols because they were a.) not serious and b.9 spur of the moment because he stole a kill and spat me into an enemy turret after eating me(tahm kench). The AI jokes are also a running gag. There was also reverse banter, but that isnt recorded in the chat logs that I got. Based on what ive heard the caveat is the "%%%". Unfortunately for me, this stands for a long running inside joke, "kek yuselez shab***" (yes its silly and childish I know), but got picked up as the acronym for kill yourself by the ban system and resulted in this ban.
Also, this is all directed at one of the premade friends with which I was playing.
Smerk (EUW)
: Log in and copy your chat logs there?
Haha, I didnt think of doing so, I came straight here, anyhow: Game 1 OG FeedBoi: 61 OG FeedBoi: i am aware OG FeedBoi: i just didnt have my hand on my mouse OG FeedBoi: yep OG FeedBoi: slick OG FeedBoi: because they focused me OG FeedBoi: ty OG FeedBoi: nice save OG FeedBoi: ugh OG FeedBoi: dont run under tower next time OG FeedBoi: and why do you alwys pus hthe lane extra hard OG FeedBoi: makes my death even worse OG FeedBoi: every time OG FeedBoi: no im underlevelled OG FeedBoi: because you push the lane in OG FeedBoi: which leads to this OG FeedBoi: why? because you push the lane in xD OG FeedBoi: no OG FeedBoi: ? OG FeedBoi: ... OG FeedBoi: %%% OG FeedBoi: dipshit OG FeedBoi: afk lol OG FeedBoi: screw you OG FeedBoi: suck my balls OG FeedBoi: peniz OG FeedBoi: shabad OG FeedBoi: are you a shabot? OG FeedBoi: not like this OG FeedBoi: ? OG FeedBoi: shabot OG FeedBoi: this tahm OG FeedBoi: always ai OG FeedBoi: more like as OG FeedBoi: artificial stupid lmao OG FeedBoi: tahm for context, the friend is called deniz, hence peniz is a play on his name (hence the z). The shabad and shabot is a play on his name as well, and the afk threats were accompanied by lols because they were a.) not serious and b.9 spur of the moment because he stole a kill and spat me into an enemy turret after eating me(tahm kench). The AI jokes are also a running gag. There was also reverse banter, but that isnt recorded in the chat logs that I got. Based on what ive heard the caveat is the "%%%". Unfortunately for me, this stands for a long running inside joke, "kek yuselez shab***" (yes its silly and childish I know), but got picked up as the acronym for kill yourself by the ban system and resulted in this ban.
iSneez (EUNE)
: 1) the things are changed indeed, just cursing and swearing it is not seen by the system so bad as homophobia, racism, wishing dead, advise to suicide etc. Those last things like, fa g, kill yourself, %%%%%%, wish you cancer, etc can skip all the steps and give you direct 14 days ban, some time even for just 1 word. 2) maybe enemy reported you, even if you didn't talk to them maybe they got frustrated by some reason, you kill them or won etc.3 3) in past when things were not so hard like now, we joked a lot between friends and reported each other for fun, usually with the unskilled report which done nothing in past. So maybe a friend report you as a joke and is hard now to admit he did it after you got 14 days. 4) after 14 days suspension its come permanent ban which is given for every minor rule breaking, so even small swearing or cursing, even if you say "easy" after a kill or win you can be banned permanently so you need to not chat or chat very clear and not negative comments, so use chat for only "lets do bron", or "good luck" or small stuff and avoid other chats. don't give advices like "play defense", or "stop die" 5) the ban system does not take context into account, so no meter if you joke between friends, or if you respond to other flames you get punished, so don't repeat if somebody flamed you, don't repeat the words. 6) to escape the danger of permanent ban it take months or more, so sadly this season you kinda need to limit your chat, until autumn or winter or maybe more. ( I am not sure but i guess when you'll start to get loot again, and they wil say your honor progression is unlocked, maybe then you are safe, but i am not sure of that.) 7) sadly you wil not receive loot, honors progres, and you wil not be available to participate in Clash tournament when wil be launched because your honor will be 0. My advice is to create a new account (if you don't have a smurf now) and level it to 30 for 2 reasons: 1) to have a level 30 account ready for rank (20 champions) when Clash wil be on so you can have fun with friends or this season you will miss Clash since its very hard and take a lot to get from level 0 to level 2 honor. 2) also the other most important reason is to play on it and not on this account that's in danger to be banned, so just play on this ONLY when you are very ok metal, only when you are not angry form real life, only when you are feeling very ok, to not by mistake do/write something bad. No playing at all on it will not reset the DANGER, so you need to play on it from time to time but do it only in your PERFECT mental state and when you feel you start to be angry play on the smurf account.
Thank you for the extensive information. I had a few smurfs, one of which got permabanned for no reason whatsoever (very strange experience - got a french mail from riot and received no response when I tried to open a ticket, but alas). It just frustrates me a little because I think context should matter. The terms I used with friends were wrong by riots standards, but I think in the future before issuing a permaban it should definitely be looked at. Overall it just kind of sucks, particularly because of the sentimental value of the account and the significant investment I have put into it.
: Welcome to the club, many players have gotten this slapped in the face for what would under regular circumstances warrent a CR (Including myself). Fact is you don't need racism, homophobia, cancer / deaths wishing or anything of that sort to trigger an 1st punishment of 14 days.
That sound pretty sketchy. I mean, I understand why I got the ban, for people who dont know that I was a.) premade with said friend and b.) we banter eachother like this on a daily basis, it may have seemed like a lot. However, Im just surprised that a single report + instance caused this. We(my group of friends) have been doing things like this with eachother since season 4, and never had any sort of issue, and all of a sudden I get a 14 day ban? I think you can understand my vexation, particularly because I have never been reprimanded before.
: Chatlogs?
Unfortunately I will need to dig up the passwords for the associated email, however I think I did deserve the ban retrospectively, however I jsut want to know how I can prevent being permabanned for something I have no control over while still being able to interact with the team. (by this I mean I wont have banter with friends in the chat, well use discord or smth where its possible, but while still functioning like a normal player(communicating with team for objectves etc.) how can I protect myself from being banned just because I was reported because someone was annoyed?
Rioter Comments

OG FeedBoi

Level 40 (EUW)
Lifetime Upvotes
Create a Discussion