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: GAME WON'T START
So, has ANYONE been able to play? I had this bug 2 times in a row now, now in champ select for 3rd time. Took me 20 minutes to finally get into champ select because people quit.
: True. What I constantly notice however is that you (or at least I) need to restart the client every 3 games. Else its gets laggy like crazy, -- everytime when someone bans or picks a champ and the picture / animation comes up, I get disrupts in sound, and can't click on anything for up to 5 seconds. It also happened that I only could lock in my champ ~5 seconds before the timer ran down (!!!!) -- the whole graphics stuff is slow; it takes "ages" to bring up your masteries during champ select, and it takes another ages until you see them, change them and save them. There is some serious leak in the client which consumes performance. Still, it does not take more memory or CPU load than the old one. Such things I would expect to be OK when it is thrown into Beta. Or, the developers only have high end PCs on which it might not get visible....
> [{quoted}](name=WilliTheWit,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=lQNxQdp7,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-11-26T11:56:30.590+0000) > > True. What I constantly notice however is that you (or at least I) need to restart the client every 3 games. Else its gets laggy like crazy, > -- everytime when someone bans or picks a champ and the picture / animation comes up, I get disrupts in sound, and can't click on anything for up to 5 seconds. It also happened that I only could lock in my champ ~5 seconds before the timer ran down (!!!!) > -- the whole graphics stuff is slow; it takes "ages" to bring up your masteries during champ select, and it takes another ages until you see them, change them and save them. > > There is some serious leak in the client which consumes performance. Still, it does not take more memory or CPU load than the old one. > Such things I would expect to be OK when it is thrown into Beta. Or, the developers only have high end PCs on which it might not get visible.... Exactly, like the transitions are horrible no offense. There is no need for all this flashy stuff, sure it looks pretty but it's really not needed. I think I've been in champ select 5 times in a row before I can even begin a match. Thats like 15mins wastes in just champ select... For a game that might only go 20-30 mins....
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: So here's a thought.
I'm Gold II currently but my normal winrate is quite high. I'm matched up with diamonds everytime I play a solo normal. I just enjoy playing with and against higher ranked people. It gets the best out of you, you learn from your mistakes and you wait for opportunities since your enemy doesn't make many mistakes. On the other hand, getting matched vs 4 diamond 3+ and getting 2 silvers and 2 golds in your team is absolutely disgusting.
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CLNinja (EUW)
: You probably should've invested in buying at least a pink and a green. If the "support" won't ward, then you might need to use some of your lead to protect yourself. Also, never play ranked at the end of the season. Lot of people trying to reach for the next rank. Many try-hards.
Actually I was the only one that bought pink wards (bought 2 and each lasted about 10-15mins) eventhough the enemy had a shaco jungle... I don't get the logic :D I thought plat elo atleast had the basic knowledge. Yea I should just stop ranked
: One thing I learned from ranked is to never trust the team with miss calls. Sometimes they won't call it, other times they will call it but you might be tunnel visioning and not see it. The only real way is to develop awareness for yourself. So every time you get ganked and die like that, don't be mad at your team mates, but be mad at yourself for allowing it to happen. And before every time you engage on the enemy mid laner, always always take a quick glance on the minimap, it takes less than a second, and if bot lane is not there then try and make a guess if they are ganking you or not. Over time you will get pretty good with these predictions. I don't mean that the loss was your fault, your team mates were definitely under performing, I just mean that this is one thing that you can practice that will allow you to be much less reliant on your team, and once you get good at it it will pay off massively. Give it a try!
Actually quite a good remark. Quickly checking to see if the laners are there would help alot to know that I will be in a 2v1 max (if jungler shows up). I'll keep this in mind and adjust my play, thanks.
: Why are people so ignorant? Because the majority of people think of themselves as the infallible "Main character" in the world and aren't interested in lowly side characters like you and I.
Hurtfully honest :D
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Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Suarez actually bit someone 3 times ;) all he got was a couple match bans and a fine.
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheOzMan,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TUYA6ecJ,comment-id=00000000000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-27T18:54:13.556+0000) > > Fair enough I'll agree to most of what you say, but bear in mind, time is no joke. > If you take away my valuable time I can easily take it elsewhere, I stopped playing fifa while I was in one of the top clubs because I liked league more, guess that was a mistake :/ Thats your choice, but seeing as the kind of behaviour that leads to 14day bans is NOT wanted by the players in THIS game, im not sure anyone will be sad if people that cannot accept the rules leave :/ And im pretty sure that alot of the behaviour that leads to those punishments is not wanted in most other games either.. I could be wrong tho :)
there's usually a way to do something against trolls, you can kick them, leave the party etc. in league you are obligated to stick with them for the duration of the entire game.
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheOzMan,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TUYA6ecJ,comment-id=000000000002000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-27T18:46:02.894+0000) > > Yea I did what I did, I got punished like I said if I deserved it then punish me. it's just unfair to have everything you did over the years to be removed. Just because I flamed they took away everything I did since I started playing. There is no difference between a perma ban, except that I keep my champions and skins. Look at it this way, your past honors etc. dont reflect your current behaviour anymore at the time you get the punishment. So they get taken away, and you can now start fresh, and show you deserve to have it again in the future. Similar to having to climb the ladder each season or play games constantly if you are at a certain skill lvl to not drop. To show you deserve it still, and did not just get it for beeing good a long time ago. As for it not beeing any different.. well, you get to play still on that account, skins/champs etc included, and you are still eligible for rewards in future seasons if you dont manage to reform this season anymore. A permaban would mean everything is gone and you couldnt access it anymore. In the worst case that includes loads of spent RP/time, in the best case, for you, it includes only the time spent.
Fair enough I'll agree to most of what you say, but bear in mind, time is no joke. If you take away my valuable time I can easily take it elsewhere, I stopped playing fifa while I was in one of the top clubs because I liked league more, guess that was a mistake :/
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheOzMan,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TUYA6ecJ,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2015-08-27T18:33:31.497+0000) > > Punishments are needed ofcourse, but I don't get the point in taking away things like that, If i do something then by all means punish me for what I did and not for something else. Instead of reforming I have to urge to quit since I basically lost everything I did this year. > > If I flame then gimme the chat bans and the stuff, don't take away the things I worked for :/ > > and no my ban was just now and seeing that I got a 75 game chat ban and a 35 draft wins I will never be able to get anything this season. You are punished for what you did. Thats what im trying to say.. Taking away your Honors/rewards is part of the punishment for 14day suspensions period. (with the exeptions i mentioned above this season). At the point where your behaviour is so bad that it needs the 14day suspension treatment you lose your "honor" and reward eligibility.. If it wouldnt have a negative effect on you, people wouldnt take it serious.. :/ 14days of not playing might suck, but there is worse.. not getting rewards hurts those that dont care about the 14days not beeing able to play on that account. So yeah, its not additional punishment, its just part of the punishment.. Considering this Year Riot seems to give reformed players a second chance even with bans there is really nothing to complain about :s
Yea I did what I did, I got punished like I said if I deserved it then punish me. it's just unfair to have everything you did over the years to be removed. Just because I flamed they took away everything I did since I started playing. There is no difference between a perma ban, except that I keep my champions and skins.
Hat (EUW)
: We can be all high and mighty about this, saying it's this guy's own fault. But I think we all complain or even flame a bit sometime, even if its only 1 in 20 games it can get you banned. wich is kiinda harsh
A mute button already exsist, why can't a kick button exist to kick a troll :/ Really flamers are punished so hard (I'm not defending them in anyway). You can mute a flamer but you can't stop a troll.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Your words: > Ok so I logged back into my account after my 14 day ban
Why do you keep taking things out of context??? for real. I got a 14 day ban, when i logged back when the ban finished I had seen it was followed up by these other bans. If you'd open your eyes and read everything instead of only the things you want to read you'd have known. Oh no I flamed you right now, my bad.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > He got a xx week ban from playing and that is how it should be. That's what you got..
No, I got 75 game chat ban, 35 ranked draft, season rewards and honors deleted. Please don't take things out of context
xCillion (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheOzMan,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TUYA6ecJ,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-08-27T18:08:06.788+0000) > > I can understand the rewards and what not, but getting 2 more bans after my 14 day ban ended ( and to be fair I wasn't even THAT toxic as in to call cancer upon my teammates like others do). But deleting basically everything you work for is too much. My account has no difference between a new account, except that my new account won't have any stacked reports or any bans on him. > > Riot can't expect people to reform if you treat them like this, like I said I was so nice to people the 10 games I played, I'm reforming but seeing this just makes me want to quit alltogether. You don't see any professional sports player getting stripped of their accomplishments for behaving bad do you? > My skill level has in no way anything to do with how I behave so I don't understand why they would do this. Having 250 + teamwork, 150+ friendly, 150+ honorable in only 1 year does prove that i can indeed be friendly, just cause 10% of my games I flamed all of this is negated? a bit too much for me, meh I could try other games, I don't see the point in playing a game where you're punished this hard for having a competitive spirit. But your actions are what made those punishments necessary apparently. Punishments are meant to be annoying, and teach you a lesson. You shouldnt enjoy them (NSFW stuff aside..). I totally get that this feels unfair, and surely annoying to say the least. But look at it from the other perspective, what if those people get rewarded despite their bad behaviour? Wouldn't that just make you say "well.. so it doesnt matter if im a jerk to others, i will get just as much rewards as a nice guy, how is that fair?" Competitive spirit =/= flaming, harassing or otherwise attack your fellow players.. That kind of behaviour is not wanted in League, if that does not suit you, im afraid there is nothing anyone can do for you :(. And you basically showed that your honors are not deserved by displaying behaviour that caused a 14day suspension. Keep in mind CR/RR's do not reset honors. Also, do not get too hyped about what i am going to say now, because it is not finalized or anything, but RiotLyte said they are working on figuring out how/if to reward reformed players in case of 14day suspensions. Meaning it is possible that if your ban happend early this season/mid season and you showed improved behaviour afterwards you would still get the rewards. Because Riot values reforming. If you however just played 10 games after the ban that is no indication wether your behaviour has changed/reformed. [Source](http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/132032021186)
Punishments are needed ofcourse, but I don't get the point in taking away things like that, If i do something then by all means punish me for what I did and not for something else. Instead of reforming I have to urge to quit since I basically lost everything I did this year. If I flame then gimme the chat bans and the stuff, don't take away the things I worked for :/ and no my ban was just now and seeing that I got a 75 game chat ban and a 35 draft wins I will never be able to get anything this season.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > 1% is way too low, I'm pretty sure the average flamer is above 20-30% as I have alot of friends that basically flame 8/10 games they play. So your data is more accurate than Riot's data? Could you share it with us? I'd actually love to read it. > If I want to win and some troll starts feeding then flaming me for his loss then I will get upset, why? cause I want to win and he is making me lose. Getting upset is perfectly normal. Verbally lashing out at other people, however, is not. > since when does flaming do more harm than actually throwing the game? Flaming can actually be compared to throwing a game. You're hurting team morale, and you're focusing on flaming instead of playing, and causing an argument with another player which is going to make him perform worse.
Then you should join the games I play, I have atleast 3 friends that flame 8/10 games and they haven't been punished yet. I didn't say it was ok to do that, what I really want to say is that people that throw the game on purpose by feeding/afk or what not are not being punished severly enough. Yes I get angry cause and I flame occasionally, but I do this cause I want to actually win. those people that feed/afk WANT to lose the game, how is that fair that someone that wants to make you lose usually goes unpunished. I have played football since I was 6 years old, so a little over 19 years, I'm a teamplayer and I do as much as I can to help my team, I have been the captain in my team for a while, then I even opened my own club. I always cheer up people because everyone can make mistakes, I run my heart out every game. if I lose an important game I sometimes would be up all night blaming myself for making stupid mistakes and I improve them. But in league you can't, it's someone else that you can't do anything about that is making you lose the game. My flaming might make my teammates feel worse, but the damage is usually already done by that one player that decides to throw.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > Riot can't expect people to reform if you treat them like this 87% of the players that have gone through a chat restriction don't get a new one, because they reform their behaviour. Riot doesn't just expect people to reform, they know people reform because they see the results. > You don't see any professional sports player getting stripped of their accomplishments for behaving bad do you? Tell that to Lance Armstrong. ;) > just cause 10% of my games I flamed 10% is actually a very very high number. The norm would be 1% or less where a player steps out of bounds. > I don't see the point in playing a game where you're punished this hard for having a competitive spirit. Being verbally abusive towards others is **not** competitive spirit.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TUYA6ecJ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-27T18:14:30.557+0000) > > 87% of the players that have gone through a chat restriction don't get a new one, because they reform their behaviour. > > Riot doesn't just expect people to reform, they know people reform because they see the results. > > Tell that to Lance Armstrong. ;) > As I said above, Cheating is different than behaviour. > 10% is actually a very very high number. The norm would be 1% or less where a player steps out of bounds. > 1% is way too low, I'm pretty sure the average flamer is above 20-30% as I have alot of friends that basically flame 8/10 games they play. > Being verbally abusive towards others is **not** competitive spirit. If I want to win and some troll starts feeding then flaming me for his loss then I will get upset, why? cause I want to win and he is making me lose. I really still don't get how a troll doesn't get punished faster than a flamer, since when does flaming do more harm than actually throwing the game?
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=TUYA6ecJ,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-08-27T18:15:37.388+0000) > > I hear this song a lot... should a murderer be deemed less guilty, or even pardoned on the basis that Pol Pot killed more people than him? > **What I mean is I may have deserved a ban, but I was in no way THAt toxic to get 2 more bans on top of it.** > Actually, yes, they can. They can also be banned from competing in tournaments. > > Iirc Lance Armstrong was forced to give his prizes back after it was discovered that he drugged himself to perform... **Cheating to get something is different than behaviour, you don't see Suarez being striped of hiss achievements after biting his opponent now does he? He got a xx week ban from playing and that is how it should be. I was toxic? ok gimme the chat ban, don't get how all these other things get stacked. **
xCillion (EUW)
: Greetings. Your Actions led to this. Its just the punishment that comes with a 14day ban. (the honor deletion i mean, the CR/RR are afaik not always there after bans) If you got a 14day suspension it means your behaviour was quite bad usually.. It's not a punishment you get so easily, at wich point you kinda runined the experience of fellow players over the season. And disqualified yourself from getting rewarded in this season. But you are mistaken if you think you got nothing to lose, your account is what you are going to lose (skins etc included..), permanently, if you decide that now you continue showing the bad behaviour that got you suspended the first time :s Flaming, and the other behaviour that gets you punished is just unwanted in league by most players.. League rewards the good players, with good/neutral behaviour and players who reformed before getting to the point of needing a 14day suspension. The End of season rewards are not just for skill, but also for your behaviour in your games. I understand it kinda sucks.. but you are just ineligible for this season, the next one comes soon. And if you really changed, show it to everyone that new Season, show them you deserve the rewards, and honors. Your past actions made your past honors go away, you got the chance to show you deserve to have them again. It's up to you wether you want to do that, or say fk dis im out! I for one hope that the loss of rewards makes people realize that their behaviour matters too, not just their Skill.. And i really hope most of them continue playing, and reform.. Those that don't want to reform, no one needs them anyway.. So by leaving they do the community a favor :x
I can understand the rewards and what not, but getting 2 more bans after my 14 day ban ended ( and to be fair I wasn't even THAT toxic as in to call cancer upon my teammates like others do). But deleting basically everything you work for is too much. My account has no difference between a new account, except that my new account won't have any stacked reports or any bans on him. Riot can't expect people to reform if you treat them like this, like I said I was so nice to people the 10 games I played, I'm reforming but seeing this just makes me want to quit alltogether. You don't see any professional sports player getting stripped of their accomplishments for behaving bad do you? My skill level has in no way anything to do with how I behave so I don't understand why they would do this. Having 250 + teamwork, 150+ friendly, 150+ honorable in only 1 year does prove that i can indeed be friendly, just cause 10% of my games I flamed all of this is negated? a bit too much for me, meh I could try other games, I don't see the point in playing a game where you're punished this hard for having a competitive spirit.
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Luis Sc (EUW)
: A Clown. As in, hilarious-- not as an insult. Think about it : someone, somewhere, made a "funny" video or streamed a "let's go full AP hahaha and watch my team rage" -- all the other trolls are going apeshit at this point, everybody is throwing .40c donations and all -- they're clapping and trying to re-subscribe. And you took the bait. And you got scorched. You're banned, and angry and making a post about it. He's making another video to "entertain." This is why I don't rage against them. I don't feed them.
How does this make any sense? So it's ok to troll if you're making a video even if you're ruining everybody else's game? Is this what riot wants? A game where flaming= murder but trolling/feeding/afk is just "for the laughs"? If you troll you deserved to be punished harder than flaming.
Oznova (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EPZl6XNo,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-26T09:54:17.930+0000) > > Could you give some examples? > **Usually there's a moderator online and you can reach out to him for help. If not you can record, screenshot or whatever and report on the forums.** > Just because someone breaks the rules, it doesn't permit you to do so. Flaming is never ok, so a report is perfectly valid here. > **Did you not read my comments? Perhaps you didn't read that I never said it was ok. But you can't expect every human to react the same. I'm not a dog or kid you can train to your own expectations. I wouldn't have the need to get angry if the real problem was taken care of.** > You're still in the wrong for flaming. > **Again, did I say it was ok? Just mentioning that it builds up and at some point you get tired of it.** > They get ranked restricted, or banned. Just like toxic players risk. Right... problems is toxic players get banned faster than the trolls because there is no real way to report trolls. The guy could troll the entire game but say nothing toxic. How do you report him? You can't. But you will get banned for flaming.
Can't quote every quote cause I'm on the phone -_-
Hansiman (EUNE)
: > I'll have you know that in other games there is usually a very very fast solution for problems, which is not the case in league. Could you give some examples? > Someone could troll the entire game and you'd get reported for flaming the troll. Just because someone breaks the rules, it doesn't permit you to do so. Flaming is never ok, so a report is perfectly valid here. > The same thing happens the next game and you'd flame even more. You're still in the wrong for flaming. > Not saying it's a good thing, riot just has no answer to the trolls and intentional feeders. They get ranked restricted, or banned. Just like toxic players risk.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EPZl6XNo,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-26T09:54:17.930+0000) > > Could you give some examples? > **Usually there's a moderator online and you can reach out to him for help. If not you can record, screenshot or whatever and report on the forums.** > Just because someone breaks the rules, it doesn't permit you to do so. Flaming is never ok, so a report is perfectly valid here. > **Did you not read my comments? Perhaps you didn't read that I never said it was ok. But you can't expect every human to react the same. I'm not a dog or kid you can train to your own expectations. I wouldn't have the need to get angry if the real problem was taken care of.** > You're still in the wrong for flaming. > **Again, did I say it was ok? Just mentioning that it builds up and at some point you get tired of it.** > They get ranked restricted, or banned. Just like toxic players risk. Right... problems is toxic players get banned faster than the trolls because there is no real way to report trolls. The guy could troll the entire game but say nothing toxic. How do you report him? You can't. But you will get banned for flaming.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Greetings. Such a tool, if it provided a direct feedback while ingame, would actually most likely cause more frustration, and be used to bother players by making them get these warnings. For extreme cases of toxic behaviour, the current system targets to handle reports and hand out punishments within 15 minutes of a game ending. > Just a suggestion since flaming seems to be sooooo exagerated in this game. Never have I gotten banned in a game That says more about the other games you've been playing, because Riot doesn't want people to verbally abuse other people in their game. They have taken a stance against it. If you can't discuss with people without lashing out and insulting them, then perhaps you should consider to keep quiet.
Greetings, As I pointed out earlier, yes it probably would cause more frustration. But it could also lead to you thinking about what you're doing. As you shoud know when people get angry or upset they usually can't think clearly and they need to be reminded. I'm usually a calm person and do not get angry often, however when there is someone that is talking nonsense I can't stay quiet. I'll have you know that in other games there is usually a very very fast solution for problems, which is not the case in league. Someone could troll the entire game and you'd get reported for flaming the troll. The same thing happens the next game and you'd flame even more. Not saying it's a good thing, riot just has no answer to the trolls and intentional feeders. And the sad part is people who play to win (like me) get upset because we lose because of someone that purposely makes us lose
Father Tios (EUNE)
: Do you mean like, you get notified whenever the system notices you're showing signs of toxicity, or each time you're reported?
I actually meant ingame, same as you are able to mute people you could perhaps vote for someone to be marked. This way he KNOWS he has to stop flaming.
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Renascence (EUNE)
: Your analogy is messed up in this scenario. It's more like you're walking past the dog, but the dog doesn't like the way you're walking so it attacks you. Flaming is never justified. But flamers will find any excuse to attempt to justify their flaming.
So you call someone that's trolling the game just a person passing by? That would be someone that just has a bad game not someone that does it on purpose. If you think flaming is worse than trolling/going afk or intentionally throwing then I can't argue with you.
INT3RL0P3R (EUNE)
: Pretty much indeed, cause in other games you could just ignore them or leave, but here: If you leave, you're banned If you ignore them, you still lose cause of them trolling your whole game That's just unfair, and right now I'm not complaining about my ban, ill take that 2 weeks punishment, maybe I did cross the line a bit, I'm trying to say that there are a lot more people who deserve those bans instead of people who flame WITH REASONS
Exactly, if the trolls got punished I wouldn't even flame this hard and wouldn't mind my ban. but right now I could even get perma banned cause I flamed some guy that was ruining my game. Don't think it's worth playing anymore
INT3RL0P3R (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TheOzMan,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=jtAyaHaL,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-08-22T22:19:54.500+0000) > > Nice way to let the community know they don't really care about our opinion. all they want is to have a bunch of brainwashed people who will succumb to anything they say really. The real reason people flame is not being taken care of, while people who get mad about this get severely punished. like hitting a dog with a stick and expecting the dog to smile back at you wanting you to hit it more, ofcourse the dog will retaliate. How about banning the one that hit the dog with the stick in the first place. I rarely start a flame unless I see someone purposely throwing. Yes I got reported alot for flaming, guess what, 9/10 games are filled with trolls/afk's or just people that are horrible at the game and still blame others. I got up to plat elo in a few months from silver and I almost never flamed in silver. So much eloboosting, so much trolling it's making the game unplayable, but hey let's ban the guys that flame shall we. > > Now I'm not saying I don't deserve punishment, I flamed I'm not gonna lie but do something about these damn elo boosted trolls ruining my fun games then I won't even mind having been banned. I got a chat restriction for flaming someone that INTENTIONALLY FED WHILE TROLLING. kept writing in chat "AHHAHAH YES YOU WILL LOSE LP AND PROMOS" wile going afk in base after feeding 0/10. Now this was my last promo match to get into gold 1 at the time. You want me to tell this guy to have a nice day and have fun next games? No I can't keep quiet when this happens, I told him he's a piece of trash that doesn't deserve to be where he is. Yayyyy I got a chat ban and that guy didn't get punished ^^ gj rito I couldn't agree enough with you sir, I'm glad there are still people who think the same way as I do, thank you for writing all of this. You said some stuff I mentioned, but couldn't say it clear enough for the rito boys. While reading it after the rest retarded comments trying to defend the most sucking punish system in existence, i feel better now..
It was nice to see someone think like me as well. I've been playing online games (mostly MMORPG's) for more than 12 years. I have never ever gotten banned in any game, nor did I rage at people alot. But in this game it's just ridiculous. Trolls can do whatever they want as long as they aren't "toxic", they can shit all over your face but you're the one that's gonna get punished for flaming. One of the worst systems ever created.
A Luo (EUW)
: you really think removing the rewards will effect people?
I agree with what you say, this game can make a nice person lose his shit because of some people. Only problem is getting the reports out. What if you're solo playing with 4man premades and they all decide to report you for no reason at all? You'll be fucked for doing nothing. It's a really good idea but it isn't easy. STILL WAY BETTER THAN THE CURRENT SYSTEM THOUGH. I received 2 chat restrictions and it didn't change my attitude at all, it just made it worse because the real problem was still there. Like A Luo said, I only need 1 sentence to flame. Only thing I hated about the chat ban was not being able to give out commands (I main jungle, not typing for objectives is hard).
Irrsinn (EUW)
: > I get banned for flaming This is the essence of your post. Yes flaming gets you banned. No, it doesn't matter who started it. No, you may not be harsh, no matter what you think they deserve. Riots eyes are pretty open: they look straight at you. If you keep going you might lose your account as soon as the next step.
Nice way to let the community know they don't really care about our opinion. all they want is to have a bunch of brainwashed people who will succumb to anything they say really. The real reason people flame is not being taken care of, while people who get mad about this get severely punished. like hitting a dog with a stick and expecting the dog to smile back at you wanting you to hit it more, ofcourse the dog will retaliate. How about banning the one that hit the dog with the stick in the first place. I rarely start a flame unless I see someone purposely throwing. Yes I got reported alot for flaming, guess what, 9/10 games are filled with trolls/afk's or just people that are horrible at the game and still blame others. I got up to plat elo in a few months from silver and I almost never flamed in silver. So much eloboosting, so much trolling it's making the game unplayable, but hey let's ban the guys that flame shall we. Now I'm not saying I don't deserve punishment, I flamed I'm not gonna lie but do something about these damn elo boosted trolls ruining my fun games then I won't even mind having been banned. I got a chat restriction for flaming someone that INTENTIONALLY FED WHILE TROLLING. kept writing in chat "AHHAHAH YES YOU WILL LOSE LP AND PROMOS" wile going afk in base after feeding 0/10. Now this was my last promo match to get into gold 1 at the time. You want me to tell this guy to have a nice day and have fun next games? No I can't keep quiet when this happens, I told him he's a piece of trash that doesn't deserve to be where he is. Yayyyy I got a chat ban and that guy didn't get punished ^^ gj rito
INT3RL0P3R (EUNE)
: Im f*cking done
You're actually totally right. You're a pretty competitive person and hates to lose, like me. but If you lose atleast you want to lose because you played bad, not because of others in your team purposely making you lose. Why is it normal for someone to be in diamond elo without even having basic gold elo knowledge? Why aren't those players punished, why aren't the trolls and afk's punished. Why do we get punished? So someone comes and spits on your face and starts swearing, and you're suppose to smile and say thanks for your kind words? HELL NO, IF YOU FEED 0/4/0 AT MINUTE 7 AND BLAME OTHERS THEN YOU DESERVE TO THOSE HARSH WORDS. 0/4/0 gg my team so bad, no help from jungle. how about fucking playing safe, this isn't bronze elo. So it's perfectly fine for this guy to screw up the game but it's not fine for someone to act harsh against that? Since when is swearing worse than actually doing something? Let's compare it with soccer, so it's perfectly fine for your own teammate to come break your leg but it's not fine for you to swear at him for doing that? "oh thanks man, I really needed my leg broken" is that what u expect from us? how about reading the complete chat instead of only ours. I got a 14 day ban as well cause some silver 4 duo botlane fed enemy adc 7/0 in less than 8-10 mins and was blaming me (the jungler) for it. I was 0/0/1 or 0/0/0 at the time and he starts flaming me while he's feeding, and I get banned for flaming back? Open your eyers riot.
: > [3:19] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): top no f [3:54] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): i got my f [7:45] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): XIN [12:17] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): xin reported [13:18] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): 9x xin ty [13:52] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): XIN [13:54] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): 8 minutes in game [13:55] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): you are level 5 [14:04] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): and you want us to ff [14:06] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): you are so reported [15:17] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): bitch please [15:20] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): you get all the camp top [15:25] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): We got rage jungler [15:31] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): "ff" [15:34] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): "this is lost" [15:40] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): "so feed" [18:58] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): cokir [18:59] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): why ult [19:02] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): when you could've AA'd him [21:15] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): i lagged [21:15] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): ok? [21:16] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): hnow stfu [21:38] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): you're as useless as xin [21:53] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): nor you are contributing to the team [21:57] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): you can't hit that big ult [22:18] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): am i not out farming you with more deaths? [22:38] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): oh wow [22:40] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): you got 1? [23:27] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): Gg wp [23:39] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): report xin feed/afk [23:44] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): and instalock [23:48] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): and fizz [23:51] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): "suck my dick" [23:54] [All] Only Rengarr (Vladimir): "this bot lane" like the worst things that i've said are "xin reported, 9x report xin" and "Stfu" and the only reason I said "Stfu" was because Fizz told me "suck my dick"... how can I reply to him? I didn't want to insult him back cause that would've caused my a ban, so i tried telling him "stfu" cause he was actually being toxic and wouldn't be quiet all game, yet i get banned instead of him and he gets his rewards...
I don't see how this is worthy of a ban, the real problem is the one that caused him to start being negative in the first place. Riot's way of punishment is not taking care of the source of the problem. We flame yes, but why? cause someone ruins our experience by doing something that shouldn't be done. If you have any part of competitivness in you then you can't keep calm when someone ruins your game. How about more severe punishment for trolls instead of punishing the people that get mad because of this. It's like beating a dog with a stick and then punishing the dog because it fought back. How about not fucking hit the dog with a stick in the first place?
ADC Akers (EUW)
: the point is like, half of the bans set are because of the trolls and afks on people who dont even get banned, and we get mad and flame them, but yet we get the punishment and they are fine?!?
Yup, pretty much summed up the tribunal.
ADC Akers (EUW)
: Bro, im on the exact page as you, and for some reason i log in today and im chat banned lol what?, since my climb from silver i just /ignore all every game cause people tell me to do it and i wont get punished, oh and what happens, some troll reports me even though i dont even speak in chat and im chat banned however i report a troll for feeding and its fine for them, no ban what so ever, and i didnt even get a chatlog posted to my email so i mean, thats just great system..
"report for offensive language" seems like 10x worse than the "Intentionally feeding" or "afk" reports. I mean I got my first chat ban because I was playing ranked and my adc decided to troll on purpose, adc ashe going ap and just sitting in base shooting only ults typing stuff like "AHAHAH YES YOU WILL LOSE PROMO AND LP". I got so mad and flamed this guy, on which he reported me and I got chat banned for 75 games. after those 75 games were finished and a couple months later I played literally only 5 man premade games for 2-3 weeks and I still got another chat restriction? For what? Trying to have fun talking with the enemy team? I seriously don't like the way riot implements their bans. they should like at the WHOLE page when a report comes in, not just your chat. I start the game off nice usually, I sometimes complement the enemy and write "wow wp man" and he replies with "LOL BUT YOU SUCK". So many things go wrong and you expect people to stay positive. I'm just gonna insta mute all when my ban is over (that is if I decided to play this game). So many years I played games and never have I seen anything this bad.
ADC Akers (EUW)
: Lets Talk: No ranked rewards
I used to be a reasonably calm player untill about 8-9 months ago where the amount of trolls/afks just skyrocketed. I usually only flame people that talk bad about others while they're the ones doing wrong, or when they flame me for no reason, or against simple trolls. So I get punished because I flame some trolls that threaten to lose me my game? I really don't see the sense in banning players for being offensive while the real trolls roam around freely. I have to report atleast 1 player, in the enemy or allied team for either trolling, feeding and refusing to communicate or just flaming everyone. Yes I flamed, yes I got chat restriced, and now a 14 day ban, I improved a bit but since you already received reports you get punished very quickly after that because you have had reports before. What am I to do with my account now? It's totally useless, all the hard work put into climbing, I won't get rewarded, not only that, if I would just say 1 bad thing i'd get instantly reported and punished AGAIN next season. I can't even make a new account because I have put too much money in skins and champs. Since when is swearing worse than actually losing the freaking game on purpose? I received a 14 day ban because of a game where I flamed some guy that was 0/4/0 in minute 8 and blamed me (the jungler) for losing his lane and he kept flaming me for no reason the entire time. I react to that and I get punished? You can reply to my comment saying I deserve to be punished for swearing, but that's just a cheap excuse as you can simply mute someone offensive but you can't mute or kick or do anything else to someone that's trolling on purpose. Chat restriction I understand, but a 14 day ban because I got flamed on first by some feeder? lmao... I have been playing online games ( mostly MMORPG's) for freakin 12 years!! Never EVER was I banned in any game. I don't like cheating or ruining someone's experience, but getting punished this harsh for "swearing" and losing your temper IN AN ONLINE GAME WHERE IT'S JUST WORDS is too harsh. Yes ofcourse swearing isn't a good thing but how is that worse than someone literally beating you (for example someone that afk's because he died to first blood). That guy is almost literally spitting in your face beating you down, almost instantly causes you to lose but you have to stay calm and still be nice in these situations? Your punishment system is a joke...
SKT T1 Zyra (EUNE)
: YEAH RIOT, Best idea ever, remove something what actually makes ranked worth playing - borders and victorius skin, dont expect community to get better if you decided to take away their rewards! I got 14 day ban like two days ago after i flamed a troll in my team, here is the chat log i got on my email [screen](http://scr.hu/7dl5/x4waw) YEY , extreme toxicity, sadly the troll and enemy players that provoked me by disrespecting whole my team, speaking in all chat telling us they will honor our troll and "gg easy", they wont get banned for sure cuz riot doesnt care. You lost all my respect as a company , wont buy rp anymore, Bye bye.
^ this.... I had the same problem, Didn't use to flame alot at all, then I got so many feeders/trolls/afkers threatening to ruin my game. I get chat restriced and now a 14 day ban because of the REAL problem that is the feeders/trolls/afks. The whole reason I got a ban was because of ranked in the first place, how does it make sense to now not even get rewarded for my months of effort?? My account is totally useless now as i'll probably get insta banned again after like just 1 report. they have lost their minds. Swearing is worse than purposely losing the game? where's the logic in that ...

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