: Hello! Now having read this post......OP i am quite sorry to say but from the sounds of it you are having a steak of bad luck with your teams or specifically your junglers...that or you just like to push which makes ganking difficult, i cant tell but if your junglers go to feeding lanes and die then they are doing it horribly wrong. I know that many say that junglers should help collapsing lanes but this is absolutely not, absolutely in no way, the case, because if the jungler dies too then the game is pretty much lost, the killer will be hella fed and enemy jungle will get to invade and steal camps for free putting your jungler even further behind which makes things truly bad. And a already fed enemy that can 1v2 wont give a crap even if your jungler shows themselves in the area so even trying to have "presence" there is pointless beyond belief. So your luck with the junglers seems to have been bad, but even so league is a teamgame and everyone needs to at least move together to some degree to have a shot at winning, this goes double for a team reliant pick like a marksman, what you want to do is either win or survive your lane (depending on matchup) and help your team, and you can indeed help your team a lot by just denying the enemy midlane and jungle who will happily try to grab some kills off you, so avoiding them is a good first step. Avoiding the midlane is usually not hard as long as you have a responsible midlaner on your own side who pings when their opponent runs off so you can escape in time, however a enemy jungle can definately become a huge threat so i´ll try to give advice to deal with that. ____ _**Dealing with the enemy jungle**_ First up, look at the enemy jungle and determine what sort of capabilities they have, are they a early game aggressor like lee/shaco or elise? A level 6 powerhouse like Vi/noc/Rengar or a more slow scaling tank or another case like kayn? Different types of junglers have different capabilities and their ability to mess with you can vary greatly, you need to know them to not get caught by them. But generally its best to avoid hardpushing if you lack wards or dont know where the enemy jungle is, if you have wards or just saw them move around toplane then pushing a bit aggressively for a time is fine. Early game aggressors are honestly best dealt with by playing safe and avoiding to push entirely, their damage and early prowess is a nightmare for the much weaker early on marksmen to deal with so getting caught is something that must be avoided as much as possible. The level 6 powerhouses are best dealt with by playing safe and avoid fighting after 6, their ganks are ridiculously lethal even with a support trying to defend you if they coordinate with the enemy botlane, only time to do something if you see them burn ults elsewhere or see them moving on the other side of the map. Seems unfair? Well everyone has their time to shine and this is theirs so everyone else can just wipe their tears and try to hold on x) ' The more slow scaling picks are more champion specific so you have try and learn the matchups one by one, i mean amumu is weak-ish early but his ganks can still be deadly, and similarly a pre transformation kayn is not comparable to the transformed one but at the same time their ganks can be very dangerous, i encourage trying to learn how they work even if reading up a bunch of them can take a while. ________________ ##_**Advice for laning.**_## Now then back to the lane......to be honest your question of to push or to recall i´d honestly say just recall, its much worse missing a good time to recall than failing to push a couple of turret platings because forcing it can result in you either dying or being forced to recall yourself even as the enemies are pushing which will cost you more towerplatings than you got which means it itsnt worth the effort. Now i dont know the specific Jhin builds but i think most still go BF sword for the first item, when you have that you should be able to push a bit faster with some good ability usage and at this point you can afford to start trying to do it a bit more, play a bit safer until you have it and once you do switch your tune. Ah but you dont need to be passive, Jhin has good damage early and his 4th shot and Q make for great harass,really its only his ability to push minions that is bad so what i meant to say is that you dont need to try and force that early on, it should be much easier once you have the BF sword, having that should let you push waves and tower platings off much easier. However do keep in mind that you definately dont want to recall just before the enemy comes back or worse, after they did, so ensure that you always recall in good time so you dont lose anything important even if it means not getting any towerplatings off, just pushing the waves out is plenty good. The idea is that you can let small advantages build up to a larger one, even if you dont get a juicy portion of gold from the plating you still pushed a wave into their tower and got your minions right? It means you are up a wave in gold and did some damage to the tower or at least the minions did which makes your next push easier, profit just from that. Letting small advantages build up to larger ones is a steady and reliable tactic.
> [{quoted}](name=Thefrostyviking,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EYmEjER3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-12T22:39:16.492+0000) > > Hello! > > Now having read this post......OP i am quite sorry to say but from the sounds of it you are having a steak of bad luck with your teams or specifically your junglers...that or you just like to push which makes ganking difficult, i cant tell but if your junglers go to feeding lanes and die then they are doing it horribly wrong. > > I know that many say that junglers should help collapsing lanes but this is absolutely not, absolutely in no way, the case, because if the jungler dies too then the game is pretty much lost, the killer will be hella fed and enemy jungle will get to invade and steal camps for free putting your jungler even further behind which makes things truly bad. > > And a already fed enemy that can 1v2 wont give a crap even if your jungler shows themselves in the area so even trying to have "presence" there is pointless beyond belief. > > So your luck with the junglers seems to have been bad, but even so league is a teamgame and everyone needs to at least move together to some degree to have a shot at winning, this goes double for a team reliant pick like a marksman, what you want to do is either win or survive your lane (depending on matchup) and help your team, and you can indeed help your team a lot by just denying the enemy midlane and jungle who will happily try to grab some kills off you, so avoiding them is a good first step. > > > Avoiding the midlane is usually not hard as long as you have a responsible midlaner on your own side who pings when their opponent runs off so you can escape in time, however a enemy jungle can definately become a huge threat so i´ll try to give advice to deal with that. > > ____ > > _**Dealing with the enemy jungle**_ > > > > First up, look at the enemy jungle and determine what sort of capabilities they have, are they a early game aggressor like lee/shaco or elise? A level 6 powerhouse like Vi/noc/Rengar or a more slow scaling tank or another case like kayn? > > Different types of junglers have different capabilities and their ability to mess with you can vary greatly, you need to know them to not get caught by them. > > > But generally its best to avoid hardpushing if you lack wards or dont know where the enemy jungle is, if you have wards or just saw them move around toplane then pushing a bit aggressively for a time is fine. > > Early game aggressors are honestly best dealt with by playing safe and avoiding to push entirely, their damage and early prowess is a nightmare for the much weaker early on marksmen to deal with so getting caught is something that must be avoided as much as possible. > > > > The level 6 powerhouses are best dealt with by playing safe and avoid fighting after 6, their ganks are ridiculously lethal even with a support trying to defend you if they coordinate with the enemy botlane, only time to do something if you see them burn ults elsewhere or see them moving on the other side of the map. > > Seems unfair? Well everyone has their time to shine and this is theirs so everyone else can just wipe their tears and try to hold on x) > > ' > The more slow scaling picks are more champion specific so you have try and learn the matchups one by one, i mean amumu is weak-ish early but his ganks can still be deadly, and similarly a pre transformation kayn is not comparable to the transformed one but at the same time their ganks can be very dangerous, i encourage trying to learn how they work even if reading up a bunch of them can take a while. > > ________________ > > ##_**Advice for laning.**_## > > Now then back to the lane......to be honest your question of to push or to recall i´d honestly say just recall, its much worse missing a good time to recall than failing to push a couple of turret platings because forcing it can result in you either dying or being forced to recall yourself even as the enemies are pushing which will cost you more towerplatings than you got which means it itsnt worth the effort. > > Now i dont know the specific Jhin builds but i think most still go BF sword for the first item, when you have that you should be able to push a bit faster with some good ability usage and at this point you can afford to start trying to do it a bit more, play a bit safer until you have it and once you do switch your tune. > > Ah but you dont need to be passive, Jhin has good damage early and his 4th shot and Q make for great harass,really its only his ability to push minions that is bad so what i meant to say is that you dont need to try and force that early on, it should be much easier once you have the BF sword, having that should let you push waves and tower platings off much easier. > > However do keep in mind that you definately dont want to recall just before the enemy comes back or worse, after they did, so ensure that you always recall in good time so you dont lose anything important even if it means not getting any towerplatings off, just pushing the waves out is plenty good. > > The idea is that you can let small advantages build up to a larger one, even if you dont get a juicy portion of gold from the plating you still pushed a wave into their tower and got your minions right? It means you are up a wave in gold and did some damage to the tower or at least the minions did which makes your next push easier, profit just from that. > > > Letting small advantages build up to larger ones is a steady and reliable tactic. Thank you so much for the reply, honestly it helps me clear out some confusion i had with laning phase and thanks for including that jungler section, which was a good read! If you don't mind me asking, if my team is behind they usually group mid and get sieged by the enemy team and slowly we lose turrets until inhibitor. How can i counter that? I feel like i'm supposed to be there so i stay there but.. it feels like i'm denying the inevitable which is me losing inhibitor
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: i lost my ranked promo game cuz of riot, i want this lost game -
Ilovemobas (EUNE)
: That is good to hear. I was responding to Phreakshairline that i think the only true way to get better in ranked is to keep playing.
I'm starting to win again , i realized that i had changed my playstyle by quite a lot .. so i just had to go back to the original play style and i started to win again .
: Eat something good, sleep late, eat more good stuff, chill while watching TV. Casually Q up for a different position in a few normals, maybe take a nap and after that a coffee. Get in ranked. Win again. You just burned out a little bit. It is absolutely normal. I am at ~900k champion mastery, too (80-90% of the points I earned in rankeds) and I had the same phenomenon. If you are still losing or rekking peps, try a different game for one or two hours.
Ilovemobas (EUNE)
: The problem with playing SR PVP unranked is that people take that game mode less serious than ranked (which is understandable). in order to truly master the pressure of ranked games you have to get very well used to playing ranked games. It is all about experience.
MeGusteak (EUW)
: Generally you have to get used to the new skill level as you would be used to stomping people that are of less ability... Once you adjust you should be fine and start to climb again
: I did carry myself out of bronze 5, had games with trolls and afkers and feeders and ended up back in bronze 5. I had a few bad games, and I know I have, we all have, but when you're matched with people that are dying 20+ times or supports that don't back up adc, tops that abandon their lane, the problems go on and on in this game, but i stand by my statement of when you have a couple of good people on our team and the trolls outdo the progress you're making, you can't carry stupid people.
My brother stayed in bronze 5 for 200 games , not even kidding. Eventually he climbed his way up the ladder , but you've got to understand, the only way to climb yourself out of it is by ... Farming. Not even kidding , to climb yourself out of bronze you just need the farm and you will be super op because the other guys have 30 farm in 20 min .
: Potentially you could be tilted... in which case just stop playing league for a bit and clear your head. Could also be that your MMR has increased, so your playing vs much harder opponents who are able to punish you more... in which case just keep practicing
Probably the first one . As for the MMR i used to get 17 , now i get 19 lp each game , it's in the norm :P.
MeGusteak (EUW)
: So you go up divisions and go up against harder opponents, and yet you are confused why you are finding it harder?
It's not that , but i don't find it reasonable that from getting more that 10 kills each game , i drop down to 2 , 3 or 4 . Also , i'm silver 3 again now , yet it persisted . Anyway , i tried another ranked and did pretty well that game , after so many losses i finally got 13 kills in a game . I hope i can keep this going .
: I get this too, sometimes the teams are just awfully uncarryable... They don't understand anything, they're never at the right place, they can't do damage... They let you die, then they suicide... I've had this for 13 games in a row.... Either matchmaking is total bullshit, or it's intentionally %%%%ing us up
I suppose you are a jungle main . If you are , something i suggest doing is being in the right place when your botlane gets a double , or the enemy is retreating . There have been a lot of times i would have liked to do drake after getting a double kill , but i would often find that my jungler is on the opposite side of the map . Also , when you see that the enemy jungler is bot or 2 or 3 people are bot , call for baron cause it will take way too much time for them to come all the way up there . Make sure you have a control ward so you can get rid of any ward there , That will make the enemy team panick and turn the suicide mode on. Hope this helps you get more wins.
Lynxmetal (EUW)
: Yeah nah I'm a Zed main with 400k mp so I'm reasonably okay at him. But I've been losing horrendously bad quite a bit on him recently and have just fallen insanely through the ranks, I've stopped using him for now and just been playing different stuff that's not on such a high skill cap if I go mid. Learning a new champion for your role is pretty refreshing, I spammed Ahri for quite a bit and she's kinda similar to Zed with her high burst, mobility, and strong roaming and assassination potential. Plus she is a lot of fun, even though I never really thought I would like her. I also found that playing a different role was quite helpful. Support is quite fun and you have a decent impact on the game, the pressure is sort of off you to do all the massive damage, which I find quite a relief sometimes to be honest, and you just have to set your team up. It has it's ups and downs if your teammates aren't having their best games but you tend to be around all the action. Plus if you're an adc main then you'll sort of know pretty well how to keep your ad from dying. Every time I've gone back to Zed I've just been losing matchups I know I should win if I'm playing on point but I'm really not at the moment so I would maybe suggest staying off Jhin for a week or so. It's crap not playing your main I know but it will help get you out of the rut. Hope this helps :)
Thank you ! I like jax , so i wouldn't really mind playing him. Also , i felt much better after i went on a bot match and didn't die once and carried my team . After that match , i tried doing a ranked saying to myself that "if i can't carry i won't play ranked for a while" , well i did 13 kills and brought my team to victory , it did feel good . I also realized that i was too tryharding by poking to enemies, so i stopped doing that and i let my support engage while positioning myself well and trying to find mistakes (opportunities) . PS: I do feel your pain , it really is a pain not playing your main .
Restalious (EUNE)
: Greetings, I would advise you to stop playing ranked for a while and keep practicing again, this happens to me all the time. {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
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lilotchie (EUW)
: Apparently all teams lost yesterday For us it was the second game we had already dominated the first. The second game then both teams lost. We and so did our opponent. And someone's else in my fl was about to start too but he seems to have lost by default as well As far as I know each team lost by default yesterday some already had that problem with the first game some had that problem with the second like us.
Same here , dominated the first game .. the disappointment that came though .. as squad leader I felt bad for my teammates and using their time just to get a loss .. we both lost the finals .
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