ZeeDrakon (EUW)
: >Your autoattack has a range. No shit, but if you arent in autohit range anyway, it doesnt %%%%ing matter whether or not you can autoattack whilst in Q. Wtf. > counters for her like Lucian, Ezreal, Vayne, Draven, Sivir, Caitlyn, Tristana, Kalista and Corki Are you high? like, legitimate question. Cause _in what drug induced dream world are ezreal, corki, sivir, vayne, tristana OR kalista xajah counters_? It seems as though you MASSIVELY overvalue the impact that Q-AA-E combo has, since all of those champs have counterplay to it but are supposed to lose to her. >I still think Xayah isn't Op, or that her Q auto is OP since there is too much counterplay for it. People just have to play around with it. Okay. since you stopped using actual arguments and just go "but I'm right even though i have no arguments for it", i'm gonna pull the elo card. There are CHALLENGER players who say xajah is OP. She is hugely contested in high elo. WHY THE %%%% would you just know better than them? You have absolutely NOTHING to back you up here. Competetive and soloQ stats show she is OP. High elo shows she is OP. Yet you IGNORE all of that and just say youre right.
"Cause in what drug induced dream world are ezreal, corki, sivir, vayne, tristana OR kalista xajah counters?" Ezreal - high poke and mobility Corki - high poke with 6 , not a good escape but can be used nicely if you wait for the perfect moment ( plus it burns) and has mixed damage Sivir- she can block feathers and has easy escape and good damage with W whitch punishes Xayah in lane Vayne - has mobility, cc to sent the enemy away and her ulti LITERALLY makes her invi **which doesnt allow Xayah to stack feathers!!!** Tristana - good and fast burst, can send enemy off when in trouble and literally jump away after it. Kalista- stacks better than Xayah, high mobility, nice synergy with any supp with a huge amount of cc which Xayah cant hold on since she only has one abilitty to make her dodge stuff but oh welp, you just started to insult people and that's not how someone acts in a discussion.. Btw, I said that " I still _think_ that Xayah isn't OP" it's not an universal truth just because I think in one way... Welp, I'm finishing my conversation with you here because I don't need people trashing others out and I did mention to not me rude in the comment section. I wasn't rude to you so no need to be rude to me. There's always a Report button here after all... Good Luck on SoloQ fella
ZeeDrakon (EUW)
: >In pro play she is not always picked or banned and they just play her with Rakan ( for the most games I saw, there is no Xayah in one side and Rakan in the other). The op in here is their combo and not just her. Please actually do some research before making statements like that, and dont just go off of what you saw. First of all, she has a popularity of almost 90% in EU, 80% in the LMS, over 50% in NA and 33% in korea. That is, basically P/B in 2 of the three major regions, and she sees significant amounts of play in all of them (LPL omitted because data...) She also doesnt at all always pair with rakan. Rakan has a SIGNIFICANTLY lower P/B rate in all regions, going down to below 10% in some of them. By all means, Xajah is strong individually, rakan isnt. This has also been repeated by players/analysts time and time again.
"Xajah is strong individually, rakan isnt" how can you even say that xD ? "This has also been repeated by players/analysts time and time again." I mean, there is a video about Rakan talking about how good he is and where is the one talking about Xayah? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAmQmeyDA9g you can see it here... Rakan is strong indicidually and has you can see they even say that his engages are undodgable and what we are talking here is in how Xayah nerfs affect her. Is her Q undodgable? Does she deserve the nerf she had then?
ZeeDrakon (EUW)
: >but isn't her Q auto E easy do dodge since you ccan just move to the sides and not have any CC done to you? Well, as I said, her Q's animation time is very short, its a fast skillshot, and you can autoattack as soon as the daggers start flying right now. So its basically instant. Its practically impossible to dodge without an MS boost or a movement ability if timed correctly. >you have to auto attack the right thing in the right angle. You dont. As I explained in the original comment, if your Q actually hits the target you want to root, you just need to rightlick them because youre already lined up for the feathers to land in the same spot for the root. > Minions move and can ruin the line up of the feathers. Yes, but thats completely irrelevant to being able to autoattack during her Q.
> if your Q actually hits the target you want to root, you just need to rightlick them Your autoattack has a range. Not everything that you hit is in range for you to auto attack. Target range of Q is 1100 and you have 525 range in auto attacks. And yeah ofc Xayah can be dodge by only MS boost or movement abilities and thats why there are counters for her like Lucian, Ezreal, Vayne, Draven, Sivir, Caitlyn, Tristana, Kalista and Corki who have all movement abilities or in the case of Sivir a spell shield. We have 17 adc's in the game and 9 of them can dodge her with their kit.. Xayah is strong agaisnt some picks, not all of them and thats how League of Legends is supposed to be, thats why we have a variety of champions. Not to mention all the stuff that supports can do since auto CC her when she uses her Q auto E to peels for their adc and even spell shield as a Morgana canceling the effect of the root... I still think Xayah isn't Op, or that her Q auto is OP since there is too much counterplay for it. People just have to play around with it.
ZeeDrakon (EUW)
: Okay, a few things: First of all, her instant root is just a stupid mechanic for an ADC to have. There are only 3 other ADC's with CC on a basic ability, all of them have more counterplay than xayah's QE combo, and Jhin W was one of the primary reasons he was so broken at the start of the season. Having reliable hard-cc on an ADC isnt healthy. The Q nerf doesnt matter at all for escaping/kiting. Her Q's cast time is incredibly short, and it very rarely matters whether you get the instant-root, or get the root a _part_ of a second later. This nerf is primarily targeted at her instant-CC as an engage tool. I'm also sorry to say, her Q auto E combo takes literally 0 skill. Its not something that "comes with practice". If you hit the Q, youre already standing lined up for the auto-feather to land in the same spot, and to hit all 3 of them with your E, so its basically just "hit a fast skillshot and rightclick-E". Thats it. Now to your assessment of xajah being broken: Youre looking at winrates without context, which is very disingenous. Going by winrate alone, pantheon top and nunu jungle are absolutely broken. Now, for ADC's, Xajah might only have a middle of the pack winrate, but for example [her performance](http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend&roleSort=ADC) is much higher statistically. She also has a significantly much higher winrate than kogmaw and jinx, _and_ is new, and a lot of people dont have experience with her yet. She is basically P/B in competetive, high elo soloQ, and even flex 3v3 she sees a lot of play in high dia+. So yes, by every metric thats actually important, she was too strong, and needed to be nerfed.
I understand your point, but isn't her Q auto E easy do dodge since you ccan just move to the sides and not have any CC done to you? I mean, you can even watch her prepare her Q with the animation where she is facing (just like Caitlyn and her Q ) and move aside ruining her CC. In my opinion Q auto E is not a combo that takes 0 skill since you have to auto attack the right thing in the right angle. You dont always have the opportunity to auto attack the enemy when you use it and thats why this is primarily an engage tool. Sometimes you just want to surprise your opponent and making it super close to him making more difficult the way he dodges it, but for that you dont have the range to line up your auto on him and have to do it on minions. Minions move and can ruin the line up of the feathers.
: > Just like I said before, in my opinion, this is something you acquire with experience and should be seen as a good thing and not something that should be nerfed... The idea is that to get the root she needs to play carefully and smart and set it up first... that combo completely removes that limitation. The reason the ability is so strong is that it is supposed to be reliable, no mechanic no matter how advanced to completely bypass an intended weakness and turn her conditional snare into a guaranteed one. > BUT IS LIKE SUPER BROKEN AND STUFF...! > Is she? She is pick or ban in pro play (literally she is being banned most games)... due to the fact that she combines extremely high damage and burst with high amounts of safety... something has got to give so she now loses some of her safety (specifically the unintentional ones like her Q) but is allowed to keep her damage... high risk high reward as it should be for xayah (her support is the one supposed to dig her out, not herself). So the nerfs are both justified and in the right place... she is extremely contested in high elo and pro play and is dominating up there because she is way more reliable than she should be.
In my opinion her root is not a guaranteed one. I mean, you still have to hit the auto correctly ans not forget that there is a human being in the other computer who can react in time and dodge it completely. Her Q only goes in one direction, people can just move to the sides and dodge the root. In pro play she is not always picked or banned and they just play her with Rakan ( for the most games I saw, there is no Xayah in one side and Rakan in the other). The op in here is their combo and not just her.
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