: The point I was trying to get across was that it's usable on champions that Riot most likely did not intend for. Also what elo are you in? x)
https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Player47 Literally the account im messaging with btw. Also, in future when attempting to elo shame, try not to be silver 4. The problem with the item ISN'T the variety of champions that can build it, its the lack of those which can. The niche of champions who can build it have a clear and huge advantage over the majority of champions who can't, primarly top laners who crutch on sidelaning to be relevant in games.
: In practice almost every champion benefits from it, I normally rush trinity on Camille but with this item, I rush ravenous into this item and I am already destroying people, same on Xin, they just need to make it activatable attack speed buff like old youmuus
Yes, give up 230 true damage or so on your q, hp, attack speed and 20% cdr for a pure sidelaning item that gives an attack speed steroid on a champion who thrives on being able to nuke squishies in teamfights. Camille is so much better with a trinity force second or first after tiamat. You need the cdr for any hope at a sustained fight. Like I've already said, yes this item is a toxic piece of shit. Doesn't mean you can rush it on any champion you think can remotely work with it.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Player47,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=o3qeMk9w,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-11-28T20:24:18.277+0000) > > Garen is not a tank and does not build sanguine blade, its mainly just assassins and specifically trynd/jax who can build it, but those 2 cant rush it either. Its a disgusting item, just to clarify. But its not buildable on EVERY champion. Just a niche that make it insanely cancer. "does not build sanguine blade" Doesn't mean he can't.
> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=o3qeMk9w,comment-id=00070002,timestamp=2019-12- > Doesn't mean he can't. Anyone can build it though? The issue with the item is that a niche portion of champions can build and abuse this overtuned item, there are significantly more overpowered items like zhonyas hourglass which isn't complained about as much because a wider portion of champions can build it. The item isn't just super toxic because its overpowered, its toxic because not everyone can build it. Anyone who can't has to give up sidelaning.
Lazlum (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Player47,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8PyXbVAy,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-11-28T20:27:15.088+0000) > > Yasuo is not a hyper carry the same way an azir is, its easier to shut down yasuo since he has to frontline, azir is backline and therefore is subject to more peel and less prone to being cc'd. > > Kassadin has similar issues to yasuo but ill agree he is still a hypercarry purely because of how tanky he is, but since he is a melee champion with no built in sustain and low armour, his early game is extremely weak and nowhere near as good as azir. still yasuo has w azir is squishy as hell he can easily assasinated ,even by a tanky champ like morde
Windwall does not compensate having to go into melee in teamfights. You literally have a long shield/dash/displacement/slow (both built in and in items) as a ranged hypercarry. If you're dying to morde as azir, it's not the champ, it's just you playing bad.
: Thanks god I don't need to beat enemy champion to win mid. As long as I remember he couldn't kill you unless he got all 3 stacks on you. Meaning that he had to hit Q which is absolutely dodgeable. And he couldn't aa you If you setted up a wave so that If he pokes you, he loses the creep and one aa didn't kill you.
A major complaint was his q having a weird hitbox meaning you basically couldnt dodge it. It still has a weird hitbox and is relatively fast. You played mid, I actually played top into that. He would ignore the minion wave, walk up to you with like 40 base armour level 1, 2 or 3 and then run you down, with a few exceptions there was legitimately nothing you could do, other than giving up the lane. Losing total lane priority top lane isnt exactly ideal, i dont know if you can understand that. How exactly do you set up the wave so he cant just roll over you without being punished? You seem to be very intelligent since you are giving this incredibly generic advice. Because if you knew how minion aggro worked, him harassing me with an auto attack would draw aggro and subsequently prevent him from losing a creep to enemy minions.
: Then think about playing other role as you definitely can't play top my silver comrade.
https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Player47 ? Thats literally the account I'm using. Justifying Tahm Kench top. Lol. The thing is nothing I said above was an exaggeration, thats actually what he did. If a champion like that existed in mid or bot lane, it would've been nerfed sooner and harder. And equivalent for mid at least would be yasuo with 50 base mr, running down mages while eating their full combos while outdamaging them. He was way too %%%%ing tanky, while beating almost all champs in melee and could play like a total dipshit and still win the laning phase. He was consistently beating fiora in lane, which says all you need to know.
Lazlum (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Player47,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8PyXbVAy,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-11-24T23:05:51.766+0000) > > Yes because hes a %%%%ing late game hypercarry xd. If those champions couldnt shut him down early, what are they supposed to do? still man there are other late game hypercarries like kassa or yasuo that dont struggle so much
Yasuo is not a hyper carry the same way an azir is, its easier to shut down yasuo since he has to frontline, azir is backline and therefore is subject to more peel and less prone to being cc'd. Kassadin has similar issues to yasuo but ill agree he is still a hypercarry purely because of how tanky he is, but since he is a melee champion with no built in sustain and low armour, his early game is extremely weak and nowhere near as good as azir.
: Sanguine Blade Nerf Suggestion
> [{quoted}](name=lolllysweden,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=o3qeMk9w,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-11-28T13:24:24.670+0000) > > some Tanks like {{champion:86}} Garen is not a tank and does not build sanguine blade, its mainly just assassins and specifically trynd/jax who can build it, but those 2 cant rush it either. Its a disgusting item, just to clarify. But its not buildable on EVERY champion. Just a niche that make it insanely cancer.
Lazlum (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=VentusKing,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8PyXbVAy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-23T22:59:07.841+0000) > > Don't buff azir. Azir is way too strong when he is viable and has a way to opressive lane to play against when he is strong. It isn't fun to play against azir when he is actually strong. Man early game he deals absolute 0 dmg the only way he can get kills is with the help of his jgler, Also most of the champions counter him.Some examples are Talon Lb Zed Ekko Fizz, all these champs are super op right now , he cant do SH*T agaisnt them
> [{quoted}](name=Lazlum,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=8PyXbVAy,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-11-24T13:19:48.924+0000) > > Man early game he deals absolute 0 dmg the only way he can get kills is with the help of his jgler, Also most of the champions counter him.Some examples are Talon Lb Zed Ekko Fizz, all these champs are super op right now , he cant do SH*T agaisnt them Yes because hes a %%%%ing late game hypercarry xd. If those champions couldnt shut him down early, what are they supposed to do?
: Tahm is a balancing nightmare due to proplay where he was way to strong as a support and still is viable even after all the nerfs. At the same time, Riot faced the problem of low elo and casual players %%%%%ing about how broken Tahm Top was (which was REALLY obnoxious. He could literally tank a full wave at level 1 and just run you down and kill you with ignite and corrupting pot, even tanks). So he received nerfs both for casual play and for proplay aimed at two different roles and different part of his kit so we are now left with a complete mess.
It wasn't just low elo and casuals complaining, he cheesed out most melee bruiser picks and that was cancer in most elo brackets. Only champion I can think of who could reliably do well into tahm back then was kennen whos disgusting and still is so that doesnt really say much.
Gin5Alive (EUW)
: What the hell did they do to Tahm Kench?
Another reason for nerfing him was the sheer cancer he was in the top lane. He invalidated almost all, if not every melee champions. Laning against him was unfun and uninteractive and felt unfair and unbeatable if the player had a remote idea of what they were doing. His damage, tankiness, sustain and cc was just too much and personally I'm glad they did what they did to him, him in the top lane at least is terrible for the game. Well, thats why his q is the way it is at least.
: After 2 month half, i made it
Theres no way this isnt a shitpost
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Skitso (EUW)
: Ultimate Skin Idea: Kayle
saying kayle is "really popular" is a huge overstatement
: i'm glad pike got the legendary and they didn't give it to a marksman again. the pike skin is really nice and i would buy it if pyke jungle wasn't impossible to play now. the warwick skin has impressed me. i would of preferred Kayn obviously but warwick is cool. hopefully he gets some buffs before they release it cause warwick is so weak. jinx skin is alright. rather her get a skin than kai'sa. varus would of been a great choice too but his playrate is nothing compared to jinx. akali skin looks different to what i expected. looks good still. irelia skin is alright. prestige irelia is another gold chroma. they could of given it to warwick but nope another women gets it. overall i will probably buy the warwick skin. i have no reason to buy the others.
Irelia got the prestige skin because shes a popular champion not because shes a woman. People dont really play warwick, no one would buy the skin
Timarius (EUW)
: simple, farm more, i know, but farm more, and try to participate more in kill team, if you are 5-0-0 and your team have a total 35 kill, your % of participation is like nothing
In both of those game i had a 60+% kill participation
: The number of wards itself isn't important, what you need to look at is your vision score. There are also a lot of other factors like Kill participation, damage to monsters/towers, etc. You should also check your total damage dealt to champions since Riven IS supposed to do damage. It was 19.1k in the first game and only 9.6k in the second one. That shows how much you contributed to fights and it's more important than just kills because you only need to last hit to score the kill, it doesn't mean that you were the one who deserved it. Also, the gap between S- and S may not be a small one, so the best thing you can do is try again next game. Here's how it works : * To get an S- , you need to perform like the top 10% of all Rivens top * Top 7% for S * Top 3% for S+ **PS : The values I gave only serve as an example to explain how it works, those are not the true values.**
I actually tried to initially show vision score, but the client was not working so i had to go to op.gg where they only show wards placed and killed~~~~
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: Why "sm" turns into asterisk when messaging in client?
: I guess that's why she has 50% wr.
winrates dont mean anything if you dont know what you are talking about, some champions have skill floors which mean that they cannot have a 50+% winrate. Vayne is seemingly one of those champions, a champion with a supposed skill floor like vayne is only balanced at a sub 50% winrate the fact that she has a almost 50% winrate with an 11% pickrate is troubling.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=253IQ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=i9B0AFiH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-04T14:04:14.846+0000) > > You kidding me ? She can delete everything in 4 aa . Lol No she can't. > She can delete everything in 4 aa . Lol Says the Kayn player.
kayn doesnt one shot anyone in 4 autos, dont know what you are talking about. Anyway the only reason kayn has burst damage is because he is reliant on his cooldowns to do so. Vayne is a hyper dps champion with comparable burst to kayn, a litteral bruiser/assassin hybrid/
AiFted (EUW)
: also i don't understand why every bruiser should be able to strictly 1v1 every marksman in the game, especially if it is as mechanically difficult as vayne
Adcs arent supposed to be good 1v1, theyre supposed to be teamfighters who crutch on getting peel from their supports to survive. A vayne should not be able to 1v1 a diver, but she can. Her kit is obnoxious with max% health TRUE DAMAGE, there is no counterplay late game, with her stealth and unconditional dash spam.
: > im in a lose streak queue No such thing. There is a matchmaking factor indeed that can influence the outcome of your matches - and I won't be a hypocrite to tell you that it works well. It's shitty. Looking at the average team (total, account and not the current champion dependent) win-rates, I had matches where my team had an average WR of 47% (me being on 68% at the time), while the enemy had 60%+ But, all that is irrelevant. Most of your games, depending on your ELO and personal performance, you will be matched with/against people in the same bracket. What the game doesn't know, is what you will pick, what will the enemy pick, what will you ban, etc. Imagine having an OTP Elise player placed on your team, that has a 75% win-rate out of 200 games with her, and the enemy randomly bans the champ. Who the f#$k even bans Elise right ? Well - the game didn't know this, you got the epic win-rate OTP on your team, but what you are left with now, is his secondary pick, lee-sin, who he has 13 games on and a 26% win-rate. He will perform poorly, and you will lose. Did the matchmaking system do this to you ? Nope. Some random guy panic-banned a random champ at the last second, because his tea-water was boiling and he had to turn off the stove. That's what lost you THAT specific game. #AND The fact that you didn't have a bigger impact - this is very important. If you want to climb, you don't fully rely on your team to win a game. Yes, it's a team game, yes, it's 5v5, you can however do more than just 1 average player. BE CONSISTENTLY BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE - and you will certainly climb. Stick to 1 role, 2-3 champs + a backup role with 2 champs. Master them - and climb. That simple. If you're all around the place with your picks, you'll be at most average in performance, and will rely on the team coinflip too much . Not worth it. And if on a tilting streak, yea, just take a 1-2 day break - it usually helps you chill. This is just a hobby, no need to stress yourself about it. Good luck !
thanks for the help
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Typhl0 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RiTCHiFeeD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=jkMiTzjB,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-28T05:38:28.426+0000) > > My last game was against nasus he was overpowered with only 200 stacks and 1 item healing for so much and doing tons of damage he did 1v3 in 7 mins of game and he was 0/0/0 not fed at all just stacks so much ar/mr that was nuts Please I was playing irelia 5/0/0 against a nasus 0/5/0 but after 250stack he was winning 1v3 cuz it's a fkin tank with the same dmg as an assasin
yes nasus outduels irelia, his wither basically negates her passive attack speed, and hes so tanky that even with the on hit damage he still outduels you post 6. the only way to beat him is by forcing fights pre 6 and getting really ahead, even then he can still come back.
JesusTHC (EUW)
: its not hard to kite him with most adc
but im not playing a %%%%ing adc
Warheart1 (EUNE)
: The only thing that is a dam for tanks to be relevant again is conqueror rune thats all....as a tank main I feel like a boxing bag, getting kicked over and over again and cant fight back.
If tanks become meta top lane will become irrelevant because tanks for the most part cant carry games. Conqueror is necessary until tier one tank items get nerfed/removed. And as a compensation anti tank such as last whisper and especially void staff gets nerfed.
: Unfortunately there isn’t a Morden build for tanks... between conquerer, black cleaver, and last whisper items tanks just aren’t tanky anymore, and a bruiser can be just as tanky but way more damage. When you don’t deal damage, you don’t take damage, and frankly other classes are doing your job while managing to do other stuff tanks don’t have a place...
Black cleaver is a bad item barely any of the champs who previously built it such as darius and garen build it anymore.
Luciferrx (EUNE)
: Tanks are bad at the moment.And that is because bruisers are way more strong and doing better job then tanks.No matter what you build tanks are just not a good pick at the moment. Why would you play tanks..when you have something like {{champion:92}} that have mobility dmg cc + can be pretty tanky if you build her corectly.The same for {{champion:24}} .With him you need {{item:3078}} {{item:3748}} and then can go full tank. You tanky..and can provide sooo mutch dmg.There is no need for tanks at all.Especially with conqueror still in the game.
Bruisers arent the problem, the problem is champs like vayne and yi who deal most of your healthbar as true damage and the quantities of anti tank in the game such as last whisper and void staff. As well as that mages have an abundance of cc as well so tanks arent so necessary since they are outclassed in that aspect of their kits. And no riven doesnt get nearly as tanky as a tank no matter what you build on her, she is hyper broken but is still suspectible to cc which is not a problem for tanks.
: {{champion:32}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:9}}{{champion:24}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:115}} That are all I can think of right now, so you can see, there are quite a lot. Some are even strong in early aswell (Vayne, shes quite broken right now)
sion isnt THAT good late
: you forgot {{champion:157}} . Why is he still in the game when 95% of players hate him?
yasuo honestly isnt even that bad when you compare him to shit like poppy and fiora. im pretty sure hes dogshit right now anyway
: > [{quoted}](name=GinkØ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=j2RdsIkq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-07T08:59:13.224+0000) > > so you played 1 or 2 games with kata now you want a skin bruh ?? I have 256.000 p. with kata, she is my main since I started playing league 1 year ago.
Death sworn and warring kingdoms katarina are great, if you had paid attention the amazing gold chroma of the latter was available recently, you dont have much to complain about in terms of skins. besides champs like udyr should be a bigger priority u got a skin relatively recently in comparison
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M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: stop nerfing tanks. They are useless. Bruisers are a problem. Tanks, lol when did you last see one?
Bruisers arent really a problem, we have like half a build and the rest we leech off tank/adc items. Our items tend to be extremely expensive so our itemization isnt the best either, but bruisers are supposed to be able to 1v1 adcs, so no matter how fed you are as whoever you gotta respect the jax or irelia or they will shit on you.
: Master Yi needs to be discussed (Too OP?)
Play {{champion:77}} or {{champion:24}} they beat him quite hard since they actually outduel him at most stages of the game.
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Hecky (EUNE)
: I like the concpet but he needs another ultimate. It's main reason why he is not viable, you can travel with it but he's not very good figter from mid game
Hes supposed to be the best early game champ in the game. If used right his ultimate can be used to gank mid or allows ur jungle to invade aggressively knowing you can ult in to help before your enemy laner can.
: I suck at my main. Should I give up?
So wait do u suck at the champ or do u just struggle to carry as her?
: Where is gutted Irelia?
She isn't gutted, her kit just has is just flawed atm. She was changed to be a split pusher. But has no qualities of a split pusher like the ability to tower dive or any sort of unconditional escape like a trynda e or fiora q. Her teamfighting was nerfed in favour of splitpushing despite the fact her kit isnt made for splitting.
Haze97 (EUW)
: Bs. If there's an OP top laner is Riven and only her. Sion gets shot on all over by a lot of matchups.
Not really sion beats practically everyone. Rush bramble vest first item and u beat riven as well. Urgot is also overpowered but i think the mana cost nerfs on his q will prevent his q spam in lane.
Haze97 (EUW)
: He also had amazing escapes yet they buffed it further. Seems like Riot likes catering to 14 year olds more than actual older players.
completely agree with ur actual point but i dont see how buffing zed caters to 14 year olds.
Shamose (EUW)
: Oh no they nerfed two of the most op champs in the game and now they are buffing a champion that was in the dumpster in a class that's general trash.
irelia wasnt the most op champ in the game. they nerfed her, then adjusted what made her op mid lane without reverting the original w stack nerf. Anyway the throne of most op top laners did and still belong to sion and urgot.
Muuaahh (EUNE)
: You really want to tell me that Zed is in a good spot right now? Zed is complete trash, losing most of his match-ups already.
zeds weakness isnt that hes weak as a assassin, zed is a single target assassin, and at the moment he does his job effectively, the issue is that other champs can do what he can do to in aoe (kata, ekko, diana), while also being an ap mid laner and having better itemization to prevent full ad team comps which are very common, in low elo at the very least. zed isnt trash, its just that in the high damage meta we are in champs like zed who could previously full health combo squishies are now outclassed by ap assassins who can do the same damage as the old zed but as AOE damage instead. Zed loses few traditional mid lane matchups, cant think of many non ap assassins other than lissandra who is super busted atm btw, who can actually beat him lane.
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: Euh? What do you mean? (I'm not a native english speaker)
You're as close as I'll get to a certified S guy.
: Everything was perfect, except vision. Almost a 39min game and only a 36 vision score. You bought no more 2 control wards in that game :/ I'm pretty sure that if you placed one more control ward or if you destroyed 1 or 2 other wards, it would have been enough. EDIT : the longer the games goes, the harder it is to get an S. Why do you keep asking me? XD I'm not a certified S guy hhh
bro ur as close as its gonna get
: It basically means that you participated in less than half of the kills for your team which is quite bad theoretically speaking. You also have only 4 assists. Well you got 50% kill participation + 11 assists (you are a support remember) so of course it's much better !
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433351032269963265/536315289151995904/unknown.png Here is another game please tell me what went wrong.
: It basically means that you participated in less than half of the kills for your team which is quite bad theoretically speaking. You also have only 4 assists. Well you got 50% kill participation + 11 assists (you are a support remember) so of course it's much better !
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