Warheart1 (EUNE)
: The only thing that is a dam for tanks to be relevant again is conqueror rune thats all....as a tank main I feel like a boxing bag, getting kicked over and over again and cant fight back.
If tanks become meta top lane will become irrelevant because tanks for the most part cant carry games. Conqueror is necessary until tier one tank items get nerfed/removed. And as a compensation anti tank such as last whisper and especially void staff gets nerfed.
: Unfortunately there isn’t a Morden build for tanks... between conquerer, black cleaver, and last whisper items tanks just aren’t tanky anymore, and a bruiser can be just as tanky but way more damage. When you don’t deal damage, you don’t take damage, and frankly other classes are doing your job while managing to do other stuff tanks don’t have a place...
Black cleaver is a bad item barely any of the champs who previously built it such as darius and garen build it anymore.
Luciferrx (EUNE)
: Tanks are bad at the moment.And that is because bruisers are way more strong and doing better job then tanks.No matter what you build tanks are just not a good pick at the moment. Why would you play tanks..when you have something like {{champion:92}} that have mobility dmg cc + can be pretty tanky if you build her corectly.The same for {{champion:24}} .With him you need {{item:3078}} {{item:3748}} and then can go full tank. You tanky..and can provide sooo mutch dmg.There is no need for tanks at all.Especially with conqueror still in the game.
Bruisers arent the problem, the problem is champs like vayne and yi who deal most of your healthbar as true damage and the quantities of anti tank in the game such as last whisper and void staff. As well as that mages have an abundance of cc as well so tanks arent so necessary since they are outclassed in that aspect of their kits. And no riven doesnt get nearly as tanky as a tank no matter what you build on her, she is hyper broken but is still suspectible to cc which is not a problem for tanks.
: {{champion:32}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:9}}{{champion:24}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:115}} That are all I can think of right now, so you can see, there are quite a lot. Some are even strong in early aswell (Vayne, shes quite broken right now)
sion isnt THAT good late
: you forgot {{champion:157}} . Why is he still in the game when 95% of players hate him?
yasuo honestly isnt even that bad when you compare him to shit like poppy and fiora. im pretty sure hes dogshit right now anyway
: > [{quoted}](name=GinkØ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=j2RdsIkq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-07T08:59:13.224+0000) > > so you played 1 or 2 games with kata now you want a skin bruh ?? I have 256.000 p. with kata, she is my main since I started playing league 1 year ago.
Death sworn and warring kingdoms katarina are great, if you had paid attention the amazing gold chroma of the latter was available recently, you dont have much to complain about in terms of skins. besides champs like udyr should be a bigger priority u got a skin relatively recently in comparison
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M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: stop nerfing tanks. They are useless. Bruisers are a problem. Tanks, lol when did you last see one?
Bruisers arent really a problem, we have like half a build and the rest we leech off tank/adc items. Our items tend to be extremely expensive so our itemization isnt the best either, but bruisers are supposed to be able to 1v1 adcs, so no matter how fed you are as whoever you gotta respect the jax or irelia or they will shit on you.
: Master Yi needs to be discussed (Too OP?)
Play {{champion:77}} or {{champion:24}} they beat him quite hard since they actually outduel him at most stages of the game.
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Hecky (EUNE)
: I like the concpet but he needs another ultimate. It's main reason why he is not viable, you can travel with it but he's not very good figter from mid game
Hes supposed to be the best early game champ in the game. If used right his ultimate can be used to gank mid or allows ur jungle to invade aggressively knowing you can ult in to help before your enemy laner can.
: I suck at my main. Should I give up?
So wait do u suck at the champ or do u just struggle to carry as her?
: Where is gutted Irelia?
She isn't gutted, her kit just has is just flawed atm. She was changed to be a split pusher. But has no qualities of a split pusher like the ability to tower dive or any sort of unconditional escape like a trynda e or fiora q. Her teamfighting was nerfed in favour of splitpushing despite the fact her kit isnt made for splitting.
Haze97 (EUW)
: Bs. If there's an OP top laner is Riven and only her. Sion gets shot on all over by a lot of matchups.
Not really sion beats practically everyone. Rush bramble vest first item and u beat riven as well. Urgot is also overpowered but i think the mana cost nerfs on his q will prevent his q spam in lane.
Haze97 (EUW)
: He also had amazing escapes yet they buffed it further. Seems like Riot likes catering to 14 year olds more than actual older players.
completely agree with ur actual point but i dont see how buffing zed caters to 14 year olds.
Shamose (EUW)
: Oh no they nerfed two of the most op champs in the game and now they are buffing a champion that was in the dumpster in a class that's general trash.
irelia wasnt the most op champ in the game. they nerfed her, then adjusted what made her op mid lane without reverting the original w stack nerf. Anyway the throne of most op top laners did and still belong to sion and urgot.
Muuaahh (EUNE)
: You really want to tell me that Zed is in a good spot right now? Zed is complete trash, losing most of his match-ups already.
zeds weakness isnt that hes weak as a assassin, zed is a single target assassin, and at the moment he does his job effectively, the issue is that other champs can do what he can do to in aoe (kata, ekko, diana), while also being an ap mid laner and having better itemization to prevent full ad team comps which are very common, in low elo at the very least. zed isnt trash, its just that in the high damage meta we are in champs like zed who could previously full health combo squishies are now outclassed by ap assassins who can do the same damage as the old zed but as AOE damage instead. Zed loses few traditional mid lane matchups, cant think of many non ap assassins other than lissandra who is super busted atm btw, who can actually beat him lane.
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: Euh? What do you mean? (I'm not a native english speaker)
You're as close as I'll get to a certified S guy.
: Everything was perfect, except vision. Almost a 39min game and only a 36 vision score. You bought no more 2 control wards in that game :/ I'm pretty sure that if you placed one more control ward or if you destroyed 1 or 2 other wards, it would have been enough. EDIT : the longer the games goes, the harder it is to get an S. Why do you keep asking me? XD I'm not a certified S guy hhh
bro ur as close as its gonna get
: It basically means that you participated in less than half of the kills for your team which is quite bad theoretically speaking. You also have only 4 assists. Well you got 50% kill participation + 11 assists (you are a support remember) so of course it's much better !
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433351032269963265/536315289151995904/unknown.png Here is another game please tell me what went wrong.
: It basically means that you participated in less than half of the kills for your team which is quite bad theoretically speaking. You also have only 4 assists. Well you got 50% kill participation + 11 assists (you are a support remember) so of course it's much better !
: Getting an S means being exceptionally good in all the aspects of the game : * You only had a 39% kill participation which means that you weren't helping enough your team in team fights or not roaming enough. (I'm pretty sure it's because the Jarvan was super fed and was just one shotting everybody so there is nothing you can do about it). * How many objectives did you participate in? I'm pretty sure just those 2 would be enough to lower your score. Also, they compare you with other people who player Irelia in the support role (they can't compare you with other normal supps since they have other metrics like cc score etc) so having a high damage "for a support" doesn't really count. EDIT : hahah the lucian killed me XD 0 vision score ahhaha
I participated in most objectives and drakes. I last hit 3 of them as well. Idk about the kill participation thing though. I got 50% kill participation in this game with less objective participation and we lost as well and i got an S-. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433351032269963265/536249874400804885/unknown.png Surely the 11% less kill participation doesnt warrant me getting a B? Thats what i get in bad games.
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Brokenhz (EUW)
: So when is nasus gonna get Nerf?
Litterally all you have to do is stack like normal and priorities cannons and just like that you win trades with one q and you tend to win fights by level 5. They should probably revert the most recent buff he got and nerf his lifesteal which makes it impossible to poke him out of lane.
Lleajy (EUW)
: Don't half read comments or pick what suits your aggressiveness, I said gold. I often have stupid amount of assists, and it's quite hard to have S with that even on good games. You'd have to get like ~30-40 assists, 20-25 assists usually gets me an A+/S-. however you add kills to that, your gold drastically raise. You don't need 10 kills. usually 4-6 do the trick. Also supp getting gold means you get better supp, it's not like it's a waste of gold, this community is so %%%%%%ed on this point. The system sucks because having a bad score doesn't equate to being bad. Sometimes people just don't do anything until you actually engage-suicide. I had game where the solo carrier kept kill me with his ult when I played aggressively on him, and we won because of that. Because you know, you don't waste your ult on supps unless you know you won't have to TF behind. And I've lvl 7 on most of the supp, just nami and karma that are lvl 6 yet, bard and the grabers that are 5 or under because I don't really play them.
Thanks that really helps.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > but my vision score wasn't all that bad in the second game With only 9 wards placed, I can assure you that it wasn't S-worthy. --- > I got the 3rd highest only behind my support and jungle. You were not compared to any of those players. You are compared to other people playing the same champion, in the same role. Comparing yourself to what your allies did does not matter. --- > And when it comes to control wards I did purchase 2 in the top game. But only placed 7 normal wards, and didn't destroy any enemy wards. --- > I am a top lane main so I am more confident with my game knowledge there. The game is far more than just your lane. Good warding prevents the enemy from being able to gank you. Proper usage of control wards allow your jungler, or mid-laner, to gank for you. You can also drop a ward in the enemy jungle to keep track of their location. That information enables your jungler to know if they can gank the opposite side, or steal jungle camps, without risk of running into the enemy jungler. The game is not over once laning is done. You can still provide vision and control through warding. --- > I accept that me not buying control wards in the ADC game was a mistake made but I don't understand how I go from an S grade to an A. Because other players that played Irelia in the same role as you did still managed to get the same score as you did, without sacrificing vision score.
I don't want to look like I'm buggin you would really appriecate advice on the topic.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > but my vision score wasn't all that bad in the second game With only 9 wards placed, I can assure you that it wasn't S-worthy. --- > I got the 3rd highest only behind my support and jungle. You were not compared to any of those players. You are compared to other people playing the same champion, in the same role. Comparing yourself to what your allies did does not matter. --- > And when it comes to control wards I did purchase 2 in the top game. But only placed 7 normal wards, and didn't destroy any enemy wards. --- > I am a top lane main so I am more confident with my game knowledge there. The game is far more than just your lane. Good warding prevents the enemy from being able to gank you. Proper usage of control wards allow your jungler, or mid-laner, to gank for you. You can also drop a ward in the enemy jungle to keep track of their location. That information enables your jungler to know if they can gank the opposite side, or steal jungle camps, without risk of running into the enemy jungler. The game is not over once laning is done. You can still provide vision and control through warding. --- > I accept that me not buying control wards in the ADC game was a mistake made but I don't understand how I go from an S grade to an A. Because other players that played Irelia in the same role as you did still managed to get the same score as you did, without sacrificing vision score.
Ok that's helpful thanks, I often find my self without wards, how do I maximise my ward placing to maximum efficiency? Does placing wards in enemy territory get you more vision score? And when is the ideal time to place control wards? By the way this is a game where I did get an S, what did I do better? I feel like ward placing wasn't too much better here. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433351032269963265/533723707160526849/unknown.png
Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: Oeky than maybe you should involve more into team fights, cuz that scores are given for that champs average gaming score, and as far as I know Iralia is mostly really played agressively. Try to gang more to mid, get enemy jg etc :D ANd most import thing you can do is, when your team is winning ask them nicely to not end quick so you guys can have more chance to get S :)
Yeah, I agree with increased involvement in teamfights, I think they measure that with kill participation and damage dealt. I feel like those figures weren't low enough to warrant me dropping 3 grades below what i wanted in the ADC game.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: You didn't show the important part: How long did those matches last?
Oh my bad, first game was 21 minutes while the second game was 26 minutes. So 6.9 and 6.3 cs per minute for someone of my elo I don't think that is too bad.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Vision score is often a forgotten factor by those that aren't able to gain S-rankings. Warding is everyones job, and you only placed 9 wards in your 12/0/4 game, didn't purchase a single control ward, and only destroyed 2 enemy wards. Vision is very important, and it's everyones responsibility to do their part in this department.
Yes I agree vision is important, but my vision score wasn't all that bad in the second game, I got the 3rd highest only behind my support and jungle. And when it comes to control wards I did purchase 2 in the top game. I am a top lane main so I am more confident with my game knowledge there. I accept that me not buying control wards in the ADC game was a mistake made but I don't understand how I go from an S grade to an A.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: You have to understand that Irelia is busted because of Conqueror right now and she's an S tier champion in Challenger, so people playing her perform really well on her.
I know she is good in Challenger but in low elo where I am, alot of people can't play her right, maybe even I am not playing her right but statistics wise I don't know why I am not getting an S. From what I have heard they take into account your elo and role when making grades.
Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: What I usually do is play extra safe but also ward everytime possible, especially on enemy base even if you are there to take nexus down put ward :D THat usually works for me
I don't think vision is a big problem for me, I often have vision scores higher than most of my teammates and sometimes even the support.
Lleajy (EUW)
: Gold, how much you land your skill are the main factor I saw. As a supp you have to farm and KS to get an S at level 6 most of the time.
I hate to sound like a typical low elo noob, but I know grades jump once you win a game, unfortunately if I get paired with a poor ADC it's hard to do anything. For context if you look up my op.gg and look at my last 2 support irelia games. I can't win and the plays I make early prevent me from getting the kills early, I'm not a huge fan of KSing as a support, I only do it by accident or when neccessary.
Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: Just get premades, let them get S for you :D
Oh I'm not going for a chest, I am trying to get M7.
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Smerk (EUW)
: You played Nexus Blitz in the past, so you completed some secondary objectives and that's why you got those bonus tokens. I only did second objectives and I got all the tokens, so it's working properly. Check those missions you already did. Notice how there's plus sign in two places: near nexus token reward and near second objective. It's not a coincidence, they are linked. Also it doesn't look like you like Nexus Blitz, so why do you even care about those tokens? They give some exclusive things that work only in this mode
I see you are correct. I'm not a huge fan of the gamemode i just want to poro pet for aram.
Smerk (EUW)
: It works as it should. To get Nexus tokens from daily missions you have to play Nexus Blitz and complete second objective. You didn't play even a single Nexus Blitz game in last 10 days, so of course you won't get any tokens
You are supposed to get nexus blitz tokens from the daily snowdown missions like i said in my post. Read. And if you didn't know that already, now you know. I have recieved tokens without completing the second mission before. I am supposed to recieve my tokens regardless of the mission i complete.
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: Game won't start (again)
Does anyone have any idea as to when maintenance might end?
: totally off-topic, 1/100, next time read the content and not the title
How is it off-topic? hes directly addressing your comment. You said "Why not scrap bronze all together"
Ilovemobas (EUNE)
: I would rather fight both of them instead of {{champion:240}} . He is basically unkillable as he can continiosly summon his lizard.
I agree to an extent kled is also VERY annoying but I don't see him too often and he does have counters other than just {{champion:17}}.
: Both have exploitable weaknesses. If you trade with Illaio, do so away from tentacles. Her Q can be side stepped. Build an item that applys greivous wounds early. Tryndamere is a case of harass constantly with short skirmishes, he can only use his Q to heal occasionally. Champions with ranged harass (mundo etc) excel. If he whirls towards you, make sure you click turn to face him to avoid the his slow on his "shout". Disengage when his ult is up, re-engage once it's down.
I wouldn't say that, her q has a very large hitbox and deals too much dmg. The skillshot isn't even slow it has a very quick cast time. Tryndamere on the other hand still forces duels from you - his build leads him to alot of attack speed so if he Es to you, your heath is gone. Admittedly {{champion:17}} does counter them both fairly well but as of now teemo is kinda bad and he really cant cs as well as trynd or illaoi. He will not scale as well as either {{champion:420}} or {{champion:23}}. Mundo is a good champ but his harass is not as good as illaoi's. Plus i don't see any *weaknesses* listed, even if you win lane against illaoi she will still have the advantage eventually due to her scaling. Disengaging tryndamere isnt so simple, try to run away and you are slowed, flash and he Es then Ws. Both champs are very powerful right now. Sorry for jumping around in my points.
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