: i'm glad pike got the legendary and they didn't give it to a marksman again. the pike skin is really nice and i would buy it if pyke jungle wasn't impossible to play now. the warwick skin has impressed me. i would of preferred Kayn obviously but warwick is cool. hopefully he gets some buffs before they release it cause warwick is so weak. jinx skin is alright. rather her get a skin than kai'sa. varus would of been a great choice too but his playrate is nothing compared to jinx. akali skin looks different to what i expected. looks good still. irelia skin is alright. prestige irelia is another gold chroma. they could of given it to warwick but nope another women gets it. overall i will probably buy the warwick skin. i have no reason to buy the others.
Irelia got the prestige skin because shes a popular champion not because shes a woman. People dont really play warwick, no one would buy the skin
Timarius (EUW)
: simple, farm more, i know, but farm more, and try to participate more in kill team, if you are 5-0-0 and your team have a total 35 kill, your % of participation is like nothing
In both of those game i had a 60+% kill participation
: The number of wards itself isn't important, what you need to look at is your vision score. There are also a lot of other factors like Kill participation, damage to monsters/towers, etc. You should also check your total damage dealt to champions since Riven IS supposed to do damage. It was 19.1k in the first game and only 9.6k in the second one. That shows how much you contributed to fights and it's more important than just kills because you only need to last hit to score the kill, it doesn't mean that you were the one who deserved it. Also, the gap between S- and S may not be a small one, so the best thing you can do is try again next game. Here's how it works : * To get an S- , you need to perform like the top 10% of all Rivens top * Top 7% for S * Top 3% for S+ **PS : The values I gave only serve as an example to explain how it works, those are not the true values.**
I actually tried to initially show vision score, but the client was not working so i had to go to op.gg where they only show wards placed and killed~~~~
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: Why "sm" turns into asterisk when messaging in client?
: I guess that's why she has 50% wr.
winrates dont mean anything if you dont know what you are talking about, some champions have skill floors which mean that they cannot have a 50+% winrate. Vayne is seemingly one of those champions, a champion with a supposed skill floor like vayne is only balanced at a sub 50% winrate the fact that she has a almost 50% winrate with an 11% pickrate is troubling.
Antenora (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=253IQ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=i9B0AFiH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-07-04T14:04:14.846+0000) > > You kidding me ? She can delete everything in 4 aa . Lol No she can't. > She can delete everything in 4 aa . Lol Says the Kayn player.
kayn doesnt one shot anyone in 4 autos, dont know what you are talking about. Anyway the only reason kayn has burst damage is because he is reliant on his cooldowns to do so. Vayne is a hyper dps champion with comparable burst to kayn, a litteral bruiser/assassin hybrid/
AiFted (EUW)
: also i don't understand why every bruiser should be able to strictly 1v1 every marksman in the game, especially if it is as mechanically difficult as vayne
Adcs arent supposed to be good 1v1, theyre supposed to be teamfighters who crutch on getting peel from their supports to survive. A vayne should not be able to 1v1 a diver, but she can. Her kit is obnoxious with max% health TRUE DAMAGE, there is no counterplay late game, with her stealth and unconditional dash spam.
: > im in a lose streak queue No such thing. There is a matchmaking factor indeed that can influence the outcome of your matches - and I won't be a hypocrite to tell you that it works well. It's shitty. Looking at the average team (total, account and not the current champion dependent) win-rates, I had matches where my team had an average WR of 47% (me being on 68% at the time), while the enemy had 60%+ But, all that is irrelevant. Most of your games, depending on your ELO and personal performance, you will be matched with/against people in the same bracket. What the game doesn't know, is what you will pick, what will the enemy pick, what will you ban, etc. Imagine having an OTP Elise player placed on your team, that has a 75% win-rate out of 200 games with her, and the enemy randomly bans the champ. Who the f#$k even bans Elise right ? Well - the game didn't know this, you got the epic win-rate OTP on your team, but what you are left with now, is his secondary pick, lee-sin, who he has 13 games on and a 26% win-rate. He will perform poorly, and you will lose. Did the matchmaking system do this to you ? Nope. Some random guy panic-banned a random champ at the last second, because his tea-water was boiling and he had to turn off the stove. That's what lost you THAT specific game. #AND The fact that you didn't have a bigger impact - this is very important. If you want to climb, you don't fully rely on your team to win a game. Yes, it's a team game, yes, it's 5v5, you can however do more than just 1 average player. BE CONSISTENTLY BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE - and you will certainly climb. Stick to 1 role, 2-3 champs + a backup role with 2 champs. Master them - and climb. That simple. If you're all around the place with your picks, you'll be at most average in performance, and will rely on the team coinflip too much . Not worth it. And if on a tilting streak, yea, just take a 1-2 day break - it usually helps you chill. This is just a hobby, no need to stress yourself about it. Good luck !
thanks for the help
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Typhl0 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RiTCHiFeeD,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=jkMiTzjB,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-05-28T05:38:28.426+0000) > > My last game was against nasus he was overpowered with only 200 stacks and 1 item healing for so much and doing tons of damage he did 1v3 in 7 mins of game and he was 0/0/0 not fed at all just stacks so much ar/mr that was nuts Please I was playing irelia 5/0/0 against a nasus 0/5/0 but after 250stack he was winning 1v3 cuz it's a fkin tank with the same dmg as an assasin
yes nasus outduels irelia, his wither basically negates her passive attack speed, and hes so tanky that even with the on hit damage he still outduels you post 6. the only way to beat him is by forcing fights pre 6 and getting really ahead, even then he can still come back.
JesusTHC (EUW)
: its not hard to kite him with most adc
but im not playing a %%%%ing adc
Warheart1 (EUNE)
: The only thing that is a dam for tanks to be relevant again is conqueror rune thats all....as a tank main I feel like a boxing bag, getting kicked over and over again and cant fight back.
If tanks become meta top lane will become irrelevant because tanks for the most part cant carry games. Conqueror is necessary until tier one tank items get nerfed/removed. And as a compensation anti tank such as last whisper and especially void staff gets nerfed.
: Unfortunately there isn’t a Morden build for tanks... between conquerer, black cleaver, and last whisper items tanks just aren’t tanky anymore, and a bruiser can be just as tanky but way more damage. When you don’t deal damage, you don’t take damage, and frankly other classes are doing your job while managing to do other stuff tanks don’t have a place...
Black cleaver is a bad item barely any of the champs who previously built it such as darius and garen build it anymore.
Luciferrx (EUNE)
: Tanks are bad at the moment.And that is because bruisers are way more strong and doing better job then tanks.No matter what you build tanks are just not a good pick at the moment. Why would you play tanks..when you have something like {{champion:92}} that have mobility dmg cc + can be pretty tanky if you build her corectly.The same for {{champion:24}} .With him you need {{item:3078}} {{item:3748}} and then can go full tank. You tanky..and can provide sooo mutch dmg.There is no need for tanks at all.Especially with conqueror still in the game.
Bruisers arent the problem, the problem is champs like vayne and yi who deal most of your healthbar as true damage and the quantities of anti tank in the game such as last whisper and void staff. As well as that mages have an abundance of cc as well so tanks arent so necessary since they are outclassed in that aspect of their kits. And no riven doesnt get nearly as tanky as a tank no matter what you build on her, she is hyper broken but is still suspectible to cc which is not a problem for tanks.
: {{champion:32}} {{champion:34}} {{champion:268}} {{champion:36}} {{champion:41}} {{champion:9}}{{champion:24}} {{champion:30}} {{champion:38}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:141}} {{champion:96}} {{champion:61}} {{champion:11}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:13}} {{champion:113}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:14}} {{champion:27}} {{champion:15}} {{champion:18}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:67}} {{champion:45}} {{champion:8}} {{champion:112}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:115}} That are all I can think of right now, so you can see, there are quite a lot. Some are even strong in early aswell (Vayne, shes quite broken right now)
sion isnt THAT good late
: you forgot {{champion:157}} . Why is he still in the game when 95% of players hate him?
yasuo honestly isnt even that bad when you compare him to shit like poppy and fiora. im pretty sure hes dogshit right now anyway
: > [{quoted}](name=GinkØ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=j2RdsIkq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-07T08:59:13.224+0000) > > so you played 1 or 2 games with kata now you want a skin bruh ?? I have 256.000 p. with kata, she is my main since I started playing league 1 year ago.
Death sworn and warring kingdoms katarina are great, if you had paid attention the amazing gold chroma of the latter was available recently, you dont have much to complain about in terms of skins. besides champs like udyr should be a bigger priority u got a skin relatively recently in comparison
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M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: stop nerfing tanks. They are useless. Bruisers are a problem. Tanks, lol when did you last see one?
Bruisers arent really a problem, we have like half a build and the rest we leech off tank/adc items. Our items tend to be extremely expensive so our itemization isnt the best either, but bruisers are supposed to be able to 1v1 adcs, so no matter how fed you are as whoever you gotta respect the jax or irelia or they will shit on you.
: Master Yi needs to be discussed (Too OP?)
Play {{champion:77}} or {{champion:24}} they beat him quite hard since they actually outduel him at most stages of the game.
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Hecky (EUNE)
: I like the concpet but he needs another ultimate. It's main reason why he is not viable, you can travel with it but he's not very good figter from mid game
Hes supposed to be the best early game champ in the game. If used right his ultimate can be used to gank mid or allows ur jungle to invade aggressively knowing you can ult in to help before your enemy laner can.
: I suck at my main. Should I give up?
So wait do u suck at the champ or do u just struggle to carry as her?
: Where is gutted Irelia?
She isn't gutted, her kit just has is just flawed atm. She was changed to be a split pusher. But has no qualities of a split pusher like the ability to tower dive or any sort of unconditional escape like a trynda e or fiora q. Her teamfighting was nerfed in favour of splitpushing despite the fact her kit isnt made for splitting.
Haze97 (EUW)
: Bs. If there's an OP top laner is Riven and only her. Sion gets shot on all over by a lot of matchups.
Not really sion beats practically everyone. Rush bramble vest first item and u beat riven as well. Urgot is also overpowered but i think the mana cost nerfs on his q will prevent his q spam in lane.
Haze97 (EUW)
: He also had amazing escapes yet they buffed it further. Seems like Riot likes catering to 14 year olds more than actual older players.
completely agree with ur actual point but i dont see how buffing zed caters to 14 year olds.
Shamose (EUW)
: Oh no they nerfed two of the most op champs in the game and now they are buffing a champion that was in the dumpster in a class that's general trash.
irelia wasnt the most op champ in the game. they nerfed her, then adjusted what made her op mid lane without reverting the original w stack nerf. Anyway the throne of most op top laners did and still belong to sion and urgot.
Muuaahh (EUNE)
: You really want to tell me that Zed is in a good spot right now? Zed is complete trash, losing most of his match-ups already.
zeds weakness isnt that hes weak as a assassin, zed is a single target assassin, and at the moment he does his job effectively, the issue is that other champs can do what he can do to in aoe (kata, ekko, diana), while also being an ap mid laner and having better itemization to prevent full ad team comps which are very common, in low elo at the very least. zed isnt trash, its just that in the high damage meta we are in champs like zed who could previously full health combo squishies are now outclassed by ap assassins who can do the same damage as the old zed but as AOE damage instead. Zed loses few traditional mid lane matchups, cant think of many non ap assassins other than lissandra who is super busted atm btw, who can actually beat him lane.
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: Euh? What do you mean? (I'm not a native english speaker)
You're as close as I'll get to a certified S guy.
: Everything was perfect, except vision. Almost a 39min game and only a 36 vision score. You bought no more 2 control wards in that game :/ I'm pretty sure that if you placed one more control ward or if you destroyed 1 or 2 other wards, it would have been enough. EDIT : the longer the games goes, the harder it is to get an S. Why do you keep asking me? XD I'm not a certified S guy hhh
bro ur as close as its gonna get
: It basically means that you participated in less than half of the kills for your team which is quite bad theoretically speaking. You also have only 4 assists. Well you got 50% kill participation + 11 assists (you are a support remember) so of course it's much better !
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433351032269963265/536315289151995904/unknown.png Here is another game please tell me what went wrong.
: It basically means that you participated in less than half of the kills for your team which is quite bad theoretically speaking. You also have only 4 assists. Well you got 50% kill participation + 11 assists (you are a support remember) so of course it's much better !
: Getting an S means being exceptionally good in all the aspects of the game : * You only had a 39% kill participation which means that you weren't helping enough your team in team fights or not roaming enough. (I'm pretty sure it's because the Jarvan was super fed and was just one shotting everybody so there is nothing you can do about it). * How many objectives did you participate in? I'm pretty sure just those 2 would be enough to lower your score. Also, they compare you with other people who player Irelia in the support role (they can't compare you with other normal supps since they have other metrics like cc score etc) so having a high damage "for a support" doesn't really count. EDIT : hahah the lucian killed me XD 0 vision score ahhaha
I participated in most objectives and drakes. I last hit 3 of them as well. Idk about the kill participation thing though. I got 50% kill participation in this game with less objective participation and we lost as well and i got an S-. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433351032269963265/536249874400804885/unknown.png Surely the 11% less kill participation doesnt warrant me getting a B? Thats what i get in bad games.
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Brokenhz (EUW)
: So when is nasus gonna get Nerf?
Litterally all you have to do is stack like normal and priorities cannons and just like that you win trades with one q and you tend to win fights by level 5. They should probably revert the most recent buff he got and nerf his lifesteal which makes it impossible to poke him out of lane.
Lleajy (EUW)
: Don't half read comments or pick what suits your aggressiveness, I said gold. I often have stupid amount of assists, and it's quite hard to have S with that even on good games. You'd have to get like ~30-40 assists, 20-25 assists usually gets me an A+/S-. however you add kills to that, your gold drastically raise. You don't need 10 kills. usually 4-6 do the trick. Also supp getting gold means you get better supp, it's not like it's a waste of gold, this community is so %%%%%%ed on this point. The system sucks because having a bad score doesn't equate to being bad. Sometimes people just don't do anything until you actually engage-suicide. I had game where the solo carrier kept kill me with his ult when I played aggressively on him, and we won because of that. Because you know, you don't waste your ult on supps unless you know you won't have to TF behind. And I've lvl 7 on most of the supp, just nami and karma that are lvl 6 yet, bard and the grabers that are 5 or under because I don't really play them.
Thanks that really helps.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > but my vision score wasn't all that bad in the second game With only 9 wards placed, I can assure you that it wasn't S-worthy. --- > I got the 3rd highest only behind my support and jungle. You were not compared to any of those players. You are compared to other people playing the same champion, in the same role. Comparing yourself to what your allies did does not matter. --- > And when it comes to control wards I did purchase 2 in the top game. But only placed 7 normal wards, and didn't destroy any enemy wards. --- > I am a top lane main so I am more confident with my game knowledge there. The game is far more than just your lane. Good warding prevents the enemy from being able to gank you. Proper usage of control wards allow your jungler, or mid-laner, to gank for you. You can also drop a ward in the enemy jungle to keep track of their location. That information enables your jungler to know if they can gank the opposite side, or steal jungle camps, without risk of running into the enemy jungler. The game is not over once laning is done. You can still provide vision and control through warding. --- > I accept that me not buying control wards in the ADC game was a mistake made but I don't understand how I go from an S grade to an A. Because other players that played Irelia in the same role as you did still managed to get the same score as you did, without sacrificing vision score.
I don't want to look like I'm buggin you would really appriecate advice on the topic.
Hansiman (EUW)
: > but my vision score wasn't all that bad in the second game With only 9 wards placed, I can assure you that it wasn't S-worthy. --- > I got the 3rd highest only behind my support and jungle. You were not compared to any of those players. You are compared to other people playing the same champion, in the same role. Comparing yourself to what your allies did does not matter. --- > And when it comes to control wards I did purchase 2 in the top game. But only placed 7 normal wards, and didn't destroy any enemy wards. --- > I am a top lane main so I am more confident with my game knowledge there. The game is far more than just your lane. Good warding prevents the enemy from being able to gank you. Proper usage of control wards allow your jungler, or mid-laner, to gank for you. You can also drop a ward in the enemy jungle to keep track of their location. That information enables your jungler to know if they can gank the opposite side, or steal jungle camps, without risk of running into the enemy jungler. The game is not over once laning is done. You can still provide vision and control through warding. --- > I accept that me not buying control wards in the ADC game was a mistake made but I don't understand how I go from an S grade to an A. Because other players that played Irelia in the same role as you did still managed to get the same score as you did, without sacrificing vision score.
Ok that's helpful thanks, I often find my self without wards, how do I maximise my ward placing to maximum efficiency? Does placing wards in enemy territory get you more vision score? And when is the ideal time to place control wards? By the way this is a game where I did get an S, what did I do better? I feel like ward placing wasn't too much better here. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/433351032269963265/533723707160526849/unknown.png
Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: Oeky than maybe you should involve more into team fights, cuz that scores are given for that champs average gaming score, and as far as I know Iralia is mostly really played agressively. Try to gang more to mid, get enemy jg etc :D ANd most import thing you can do is, when your team is winning ask them nicely to not end quick so you guys can have more chance to get S :)
Yeah, I agree with increased involvement in teamfights, I think they measure that with kill participation and damage dealt. I feel like those figures weren't low enough to warrant me dropping 3 grades below what i wanted in the ADC game.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: You didn't show the important part: How long did those matches last?
Oh my bad, first game was 21 minutes while the second game was 26 minutes. So 6.9 and 6.3 cs per minute for someone of my elo I don't think that is too bad.
Hansiman (EUW)
: Vision score is often a forgotten factor by those that aren't able to gain S-rankings. Warding is everyones job, and you only placed 9 wards in your 12/0/4 game, didn't purchase a single control ward, and only destroyed 2 enemy wards. Vision is very important, and it's everyones responsibility to do their part in this department.
Yes I agree vision is important, but my vision score wasn't all that bad in the second game, I got the 3rd highest only behind my support and jungle. And when it comes to control wards I did purchase 2 in the top game. I am a top lane main so I am more confident with my game knowledge there. I accept that me not buying control wards in the ADC game was a mistake made but I don't understand how I go from an S grade to an A.
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: You have to understand that Irelia is busted because of Conqueror right now and she's an S tier champion in Challenger, so people playing her perform really well on her.
I know she is good in Challenger but in low elo where I am, alot of people can't play her right, maybe even I am not playing her right but statistics wise I don't know why I am not getting an S. From what I have heard they take into account your elo and role when making grades.
Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: What I usually do is play extra safe but also ward everytime possible, especially on enemy base even if you are there to take nexus down put ward :D THat usually works for me
I don't think vision is a big problem for me, I often have vision scores higher than most of my teammates and sometimes even the support.
Lleajy (EUW)
: Gold, how much you land your skill are the main factor I saw. As a supp you have to farm and KS to get an S at level 6 most of the time.
I hate to sound like a typical low elo noob, but I know grades jump once you win a game, unfortunately if I get paired with a poor ADC it's hard to do anything. For context if you look up my op.gg and look at my last 2 support irelia games. I can't win and the plays I make early prevent me from getting the kills early, I'm not a huge fan of KSing as a support, I only do it by accident or when neccessary.
Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: Just get premades, let them get S for you :D
Oh I'm not going for a chest, I am trying to get M7.
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Smerk (EUW)
: You played Nexus Blitz in the past, so you completed some secondary objectives and that's why you got those bonus tokens. I only did second objectives and I got all the tokens, so it's working properly. Check those missions you already did. Notice how there's plus sign in two places: near nexus token reward and near second objective. It's not a coincidence, they are linked. Also it doesn't look like you like Nexus Blitz, so why do you even care about those tokens? They give some exclusive things that work only in this mode
I see you are correct. I'm not a huge fan of the gamemode i just want to poro pet for aram.
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