: > [{quoted}](name=PlsUnripMyACC,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=AnuFIsKd,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-07-30T14:37:47.545+0000) > > I care about being treated the same as others :) > > the f*ck, what are you talking? What system do I want to abuse? We are talking about having the same chance as NA Players... how the hell is that abusing the system for my own good? Jesus :D > > lmao what? u dont deserve an unbat. it is obviously clear from this entire thread. So, even if they tested in EUW you still wouldn't be unbanned. So idk why youre so mad about it.
: > I don't for 1 second belive the majority of players who had 1 or more accounts perma-banned, stopped playing when there is 0 barrier for starting new accounts. No, but I'm willing to be a fair few adjusted their behaviour now knowing they had the potential to permanently lose everything they've worked/paid for. Take that consequence away and I'd be interested to see how many devolve.
> Take that consequence away and I'd be interested to see how many devolve. Well that conseqeuence is still existing.. they are just giving you another chance..
: People are more likely to act poorly if there's no permanent ramifications for their behaviour. Suddenly opening the floodgates to "no more perma's" without testing would, I would bet, dramatically increase toxicity.
But thats not happening.. how often do I have to repeat that the permanent ban will be decreased to a 2 weeks ban. That means youre honor lvl 0 (probably also locked) and one mistake gets your acc permanent banned again. Riot wont even have to manually ban toxic accounts.
: So we have conflicting information coming only from hearsay and as long as there is no official announcement from riot regarding this matter this entire discussion is 100% pointless? Yep, I completely agree.
There is a screenshot from the live support, from 3 different support tickets and people comfirming all over reddit that it is happening right now...
Rismosch (EUW)
: For your information Riot tested something like this in the past before. However it failed miserably. And knowing how league is infamous for being incredibly toxic, I'd say there is a huge chance it will fail again. You are far more concerned about yourself rather than the greater picture. You don't care if this system actually works or not. The only thing you care about is that Riot should unban you. This is why you are pissed, isn't it? You just want to abuse a system for your own good, but because you can't you rant about it here.
> You don't care if this system actually works or not. I care about being treated the same as others :) > You just want to abuse a system for your own good the f*ck, what are you talking? What system do I want to abuse? We are talking about having the same chance as NA Players... how the hell is that abusing the system for my own good? Jesus :D > but because you can't you rant about it here. lmao what?
: From the post: "Riot is however unbanning some peoples accounts if you can prove you have reformed"
Yeah might wanna scroll down a bit to see at least 2 different people saying you just have to say that youre reformed
Rismosch (EUW)
: I'd ban unbanned accounts in this situation, jut to keep things fair and equal. You yourself said you'd love to be unbanned, but if the system fails and such never makes it to EUW, wouldn't it be unfair that a few individuals on NA keep being unbanned while you and all other players on other servers never had the chance to redeem themself? It simply is not fair. Tests on small scopes give you a good overview about the great picture. It's easy and cuts down alot of work. If the system turns out to fail, then only a small amount of work is wasted. If the system is going to fail anyway, then better it fails on a small control group than on the global stage.
> I'd ban unbanned accounts in this situation, jut to keep things fair and equal. First that wouldnt be fair at all for the people who showed they are reformed lol. And also funny that youre talking about fairness here when you are one of those "they are testing lul shit happens if u dont get the chance" people. Why would I be pissed? I wouldnt give a second thought about it. For me the only thing that matters is that I get the same chance to redeem myself. Cool for them proving the point that people actually reform over time.
: Yes, and similar _**player behaviour**_ projects have been tested on specific servers. Pretty much all of them have, whether it be NA or OCE or anywhere. None of what I said was pertaining to game modes or champions. This is all beside the point that if it doesn't work on one region, Riot can't pick and choose regions to release this on. It's all or nothing. Elsewise this exact same thread would be happening on the NA boards if it worked in EUW but not in NA. Or if it worked on OCE but not NA/EU. Something this big is typically all or nothing.
Can you link some evidence? Im curious about what player behaviour projects they have tested on specific servers only.
: It's not always NA though. The last few projects have been on other servers. OCE has been the testing base for a few as well. You're making some pretty big jumps here.
You cant compare this with testing a champion or game mode. AGAIN we are talking about accounts where people spend money on or whatever. NA players get a chance and we might never get a chance at all which is bullshit. So IMHO he is right.
: U do realize this doesn't do anything to increase their player numbers right? If u had read the reddit post, u'd have seen that the only ones getting unbanned are ppl who still play and have proven they've reformed on other accs.
Lol nope thats not true. If YOU had read the reddit post u would have seen that everyone who says he is reformed gets another chance. No need to prove anything
Rismosch (EUW)
: Great idea. Let's test some controversial things on a global scale, so if it fails it can turn out to be a huge catastrophe. This ain't going to happen. If this shit fails, Riot is forced to ban the unbanned players again. Imagine thousands if not millions of players being unbanned, which already is hard to monitor just because of the sheer numbers, and then introduce a huge banwave banning all of them again. This would create such a shitstorm of so many angry players. Many being undeservedly banned again. The payoff is not worth the risk and it is such a terrible business move. Small scope tests are save. If a small control group fails, then little to nothing is lost. If it succeeds, Riot will make it bigger, and eventually the system will come to EUW too. But if not even the small control group shows the improvement Riot is looking for, then it will inevitably fail on the global scale as well.
Why would they have to ban accounts who showed that they reformed?! That doesnt even make sense and they definitely would never do that lol. And right now accounts who were perma banned are reduced to 2 weeks ban.. that means if they start being toxic again they will be perma banned instantly again. So they wouldnt even have to manually ban them again. Which means: They can just announce a test run with a set time window where everyone can participate.. toxic accounts will be automatically banned again and the rest wont even if the test run failed. At the end of the test run they can decide if they want to keep giving permanently suspeneded accounts another chance or not.
: Stop making false accusations. (And drama board rarely is a reliable source...) While faking screenshots is nothing new I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. They are testing it. These accounts remain flagged with a zero tolerance, the slightest misbehavior will get you banned again. Can't blame them for having faith in people.
> Stop making false accusations. Wtf are u talking? I dont even make false accusations. > These accounts remain flagged with a zero tolerance, the slightest misbehavior will get you banned again. Can't blame them for having faith in people. So what? They can also give everyone the chance to participate in this test run. What does that have to do with the problem? Obviously the right choice that these accounts remain flagged with a zero tolerance. But thats not even the point lmao
: But they also can't just release the flood gates and do it to everyone. That would be worse, if it ended up failing, than the current scenario.
Right now accounts who were perma banned are reduced to 2 weeks ban.. that means if they start being toxic again they will be perma banned instantly again. So they wouldnt even have to manually ban them again... I dont understand what you mean. Nothing would be worse
: If players on NA can prove they have reformed, then EU players will get the opportunity to do so too as soon as the test finished succesfully and the program goes live worldwide. If NA players fail, then they will all get rebanned and nobody will get unbanned. Noone is getting any privilege in this situation.
Thats not true. Accounts who have been unbanned and dont get punished again wont be banned even if the test fails. Thats the point I make - they at least have another guaranteed chance to prove themselve. The playerbase on EU might not get this chance.
Rismosch (EUW)
: You gotta need to test it somewhere. And if Riot bans unbanned accounts again, then what do you have from it if you got this treatment? You really should show some patience.
Well sure they can test it.. but as I said this is not a gamemode.. everyone from every server should be able to participate in this test run especially since data from different servers might differ
: Calm down sweetheart. This is a test run, those permabans are lifted under very strict conditions and nobody knows if riot will continue doing this. If the test doesn't go the way they would have wanted it to, they might very well ban all those accounts again. So have some patience, if it works out, it'll come to EU as well eventually. And if it doesn't those unbanned players in NA will lose their accs again too, meaning they have no unfair advantage compared to EU players. So don't get all worked up.
So people from NA get the chance to show they have reformed and the EU Playerbase might not just because they are "testing" it? Thats huge bullshit.. and your explanatio doesnt make any sense lol This is not a new gamemode or whatever where u have to test it only on one server..
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