: riot reads all posts, yea, but the one who is the most upvoted will be more looked on xD
> [{quoted}](name=Sebtional,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=gEFjGdf3,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-28T13:09:17.281+0000) > > so im german, and on the german boards no fkn rioter reads post, the last riot comment on a community-made post was 8 months ago "Riot doesn't comment= Riot doesn't read!!!" ...you really are not the brightest, are you? LOL
hi im seb (EUW)
: just to make this clear, as probably miserable this sounds to you, i still think that im in the right here, so if you want to i can argue some more with you
> [{quoted}](name=Sebtional,realm=EUW,application-id=ETj6EdvQ,discussion-id=gEFjGdf3,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2017-10-28T13:12:42.268+0000) > > just to make this clear, as probably miserable this sounds to you, ...as miserable IS, period
TTekkers (EUW)
: Another post with 0 content and 100% "_lol u stoopid_".
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-12T16:18:07.044+0000) > > Another post with 0 content and 100% "_lol u stoopid_". mimicking what I already said to you doesn't make it true, sadly for you :) in my last post there were PLENTY of contents...that u clearly choosed to ignore cause u were already cornered (and not willing to ask me things in the proper way after being a rude pretentious jerk before) couldn't care less tho ^_^
TTekkers (EUW)
: Then %%%%ing educate me rather than blast me with flame that you're very badly trying to disguise. * Tell me how vision does not help you counter the enemy jungler. * Tell me how placing wards in the right places to counter Eve doesn't come with a cost to the lane. * Tell me how a roaming support is a threat to Eve - without using vision as an argument since you've completely ignored and lambasted every single point I've tried to make about vision. * And finally, tell me where in the sea of expletives and superlatives that is your OP you explicitly say "this is how you beat Eve". PS. It would be nice if you actually made a point of your own in this dialogue rather than just keep claiming I'm an idiot without providing actual reasoning.
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-12T06:59:54.519+0000) > >blast me with flame that you're very badly trying to disguise. ...like doing EXACTLY what you previously did? talking about hypocrisy, LOL oh btw: saying that u are clearly clueless about the subject is not "flaming", is stating a fact, confirmed even by yourself sure: I could have said that in a "nicer" way, buy I don't feel "nice" toward flaming jerks :) so: after flaming and mocking me you are too lazy or... - let's stick with lazy to be nice - to read my initial post and get your answers from it, you want me to spell that out for you? then ask it HUMBLY and with great grace and I will CONSIDER it, cause you don't pay a dime to tutor you > * Tell me how vision does not help you counter the enemy jungler. never EVER said nor implied that, either u are trolling or u failed to grasp even the basic gist of what I was saying no point in trying to "educate you", you are as clueless as it get (otherwise, like I have already said, you would have just got your answers from my FIRST post) "Tell me how a roaming support is a threat to Eve": this line tells me that u probably aren't trolling, you just have ZERO legit clue on Eve. And no, I wasn't talking about "vision" (deep warding damage Eve ofc, but that wasn't my point at all in that case) and, again, you wouldn't need to ask that question if u just read AND understand my first post
TTekkers (EUW)
: Excellent, you've dropped the word pink! Note that pink wards aren't super OP vs Eve, but standard wards are massively reduced in value, and that is the major point I've been trying to make. There are a lot of words below trying to explain in more detail, but that's the gist of it. Regarding my previous replies; how do you expect me to reply when you just berate me for something I didn't actually say?? ___ You may also be able to admit that deep yellow wards on the camps exist. And that means you can see her with wards that aren't pink. However, these require you to get into the enemy jungle where there's a stealthed up enemy jungler lurking, which requires lane pressure so you don't get ganked and the ability to beat Eve in a fight, even when she gets to surprise you. While we're on a streak you may realise that I said a pink in the river help vs all junglers, in that you can see them coming from a bit further away and know the enemy team has no vision in that area. But vs Eve a yellow ward is worthless in the river (unless she takes the crab), so it's gonna have to be a pink to be of any value, and yellow wards are worthless unless you get them deep. That gives her advantage over other junglers that cannot be easily quantified for the entire duration of the game, and especially when the game is played across all 3 lanes at once. Basically a major balance issue. Next, consider how many pink wards are bought in the very first stages of the game, that initial 500g you buy a Doran's item with. Normally it's ZERO, so no pinks means basically no river vision, which means any advance warning of Eve coming has to be from deep wards on camps. Now, to get those deep wards you need to have lane pressure, which means pushing, and what don't you do when you can't see the enemy assassin jungler? And that's not factoring in any CS cost in leaving lane to help your jungler/support get the deep wards vs Eve, and early game any lost XP is a high price to pay for anything. Obviously, all these factors get a lot less after the very early game once XP power spikes stop being a thing allowing people to move around more freely to get vision, people have more waveclear to facilitate leaving lane, and people can buy pink wards that actually have value vs Eve when placed shallow. Note that pink wards aren't super OP vs Eve, but standard wards are massively reduced in value. Finally, regarding my previous replies; how do you expect me to reply when you just berate me for something I didn't actually say?? PS. Can you reveal some Eve main counterplay secrets you're claiming exist. I'm curious, I never played against that many Eves so couldn't discover as much counterplay as I'd like.
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=000400000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-11T21:22:48.844+0000) > Note that pink wards aren't super OP vs Eve, but standard wards are massively reduced in bla bla bla Again, u just don't get it. Wards (pink AND normal) are NOT a problem nor a "balance issue" nor the best way to counter Eve, period. Btw, normal wards aren't "massively reduced in value" vs Eve, that's not even remotely close to be true: you just need to know where/when to place them; and, no, that's nothing too hard (no, not even early game) despite your claims, you just need to know what you are doing (and, if you know what you are doing, a roaming support is a very high threat FOR Eve, not the other way around) You keep focusing only on wards cause you clearly have no clue about "Eve main counterplay secrets you're claiming exist". Things is: they are NOT "secret", they are well know by EVERY competent player out there. You absolutely having no idea about them (to the point of implicitily - but very clearly - doubting their existence) speak enough about your ignorance on the matter and the fact that your opinion on Eve can't have any real weight cause of it :) Edit, almost forgot: in my very opening post lies the answers you are seeking.
TTekkers (EUW)
: Yea, you kinda need to work on reading and understanding. I appreciate English may not be your first language, but surely reading the entire text and differentiating colours in the text applies to all languages.
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-11T18:38:02.338+0000) > > Yea, you kinda need to work on bla bla bla Yeah you REALLY need to work on self awareness, cause: a) I perfectly understood what you typed; "Old Eve's biggest balance issue was the shortage of wards available to teams in the early game" is not really hard to grasp and has not multiple/hidden meanings. Is a simple statement and a totally, totally, TOTALLY wrong one, a statement that only someone that NEVER understood Eve could make ^_^ b) Your last two reply were without ANY kind of substance, just lame attacks and pathetic attempts to turn this into a flaming war, since u were clearly cornered and with ZERO valid arguments.
TTekkers (EUW)
: {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}}
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-11T16:26:09.198+0000) > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} y, my expression when I read about "Eve biggest issue", followed by a burst of laugh :)
TTekkers (EUW)
: Did you read the whole thing or just the bit you wanted to? I specify pinks, but only to mention that people won't be buying any until after their first back, by which time Eve will have had a ton of time completely unobserved to do what she likes. Pinks are useful to help with Eve, in exactly the same way as they are with standard junglers, and there are better ways to deal with standard junglers, but just dropping a pink always helps, is cheap and easy.
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-10-10T16:29:28.109+0000) > > I specify pinks and focused ONLY on them, saying was "eve biggest issue" etc etc plain, totally, FALSE, period
Renold (EUNE)
: why not??'cuz is more skilled to play??? {{champion:19}} {{champion:41}} amazing rework amazing champions more realistics too.Same as new eve.
> [{quoted}](name=Renold,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2017-10-09T21:11:57.652+0000) > more realistics too. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Fajerk (EUW)
: Not what we want but probably what we get. At least that is the direction Riot is heading past year, and now they have great opportunity to achieve it. Just lack of early game stats will most likely make people to play more passive, since everyone will be just weaker than minions. Probably. As I said I do not know how it will end up. There are many options but nothing is certain at this point. I doubt we will be able to see how things go before the next season begins.
> [{quoted}](name=Fajerk,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-09T21:36:53.256+0000) > > Not what we want but probably what we get. Totally disagree, they are not that dumb; we will see I guess (but like I said that wouldn't mean AT ALL that Eve would end up "ok", just prolly broken on the strong side)
TTekkers (EUW)
: Old Eve's biggest balance issue was the shortage of wards available to teams in the early game, which combined with the fact that no one can even think about buying a pink at L1 without crippling early laning and the gold/XP/positioning cost and risk of placing a green ward deep enough to actually see her in the early game meant that the entire early laning phase was warped around her. You could pick Eve with 3 losing lanes and her passive alone means that none of the enemy laners can do anything until Eve is spotted, or they know their own jungler is around, completely negating any laning phase advantage for the laners for the first 5 or so minutes of the game. New Eve loses that which makes the rest of her kit far more easily balanced, mostly because by the time her stealth kicks it's a lot easier to get the necessary vision (read counterplay) to know roughly where she is, and it's a hell of lot harder to get that vision for a stealth champ than a standard one. As for her strengths, weaknesses, power-spikes, viability, balance and casual-ness, all that remains to be seen since she's not even out yet. So on all of that I'm withholding judgment so far.
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-10-09T21:14:08.964+0000) > > Old Eve's biggest balance issue was the shortage of wards available to teams in the early game Sigh. Pinks are NOT the best way to deal with her, not even remotely close. There are WAY better and smarter way to shut her down.
Fajerk (EUW)
: I do agree that just champion alone, lvl 6 power spike will be huge. Similar to how Kayn spikes once he reaches his transform. But I do not dare to judge how it will play out with new runes, landscape will shake a lot, especially jungle will be way different with new runes. I have no idea how hard or how long it will take to get 6 and I do not know how important early game will be (keep in mind overall game pace can drastically change with such huge changes, thus 15 or 45 min games may become norm). If first few levels will have no impact on game anyway, Eve will be in solid spot. If early levels can decide the game, well I guess RIP. But I really cannot predict how will things go in 4 weeks. All I can say about Eve now is that, A) they scrapped all AD options B) they nerfed early game ganks C) the scrapped fighter builds in favour of pure assassin. How will these decision work in new landscape is again, something I do not dare to judge. As an example, In a world where junglers just want to farm till 6 new Eve may be at home. That might or might not be where whole game is heading.
> [{quoted}](name=Fajerk,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-10-09T21:07:13.355+0000) > > If first few levels will have no impact on game anyway, that would be the very first time ever (even in the worst seasons), highly unlikely (and by that I mean I am willing to bet everything on it cause the game would become literally SHIT with no impat on the game for the first levels, brrr) but let's say will be the case: then eve will become much more than "in a solid spot", she will prolly be plain broken, cause is designed to shine after a very bad early (again, quoting the spotlight) and if the early has 0 impact... > As an example, In a world where junglers just want to farm till 6 new Eve may be at home. I repeat: that would be a world u would like to see? u just described a LIVING NIGHTMARE, in a scenario like that I agree that Eve state would become the last of the problems eheh
Fajerk (EUW)
: Fun fact. Eve rework is balanced around Runes Reforged (which is supposed to be overall buff to assassins), so not even Riot knows how she will do now as they release her. This is gonna be huge surprise for everybody. Personally I do not dare to judge the rework before I get to play it on RR patch. Only thing that I see as huge objection is the removal of all AD build paths for Eve locking her only into AP items as options. I consider that being huge failure by designers since there are ways how they could make it work but they just did not bother with it and rather scrapped that idea without giving second toughs. So yeah I would definitely take a shot at champion design team atm, but I do not dare to judge the champ until 7.22
> [{quoted}](name=Fajerk,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-10-09T20:50:30.045+0000) > > So yeah I would definitely take a shot at champion design team atm, but I do not dare to judge the champ until 7.22 keep in mind I DIDN'T talked about her strengh, like I said I cannot know and i don't care what i am willing to bet on is that she will be NEVER balanced, due to the SUPER HUGE difference between her pre 6 and her post 6 (and that's will always be true, no matter the runes etc)
Renold (EUNE)
: {{champion:28}} beast.Dont qq.Rework is always a good think.
> [{quoted}](name=Renold,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=R6Y4NsHA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-10-09T20:20:46.131+0000) > >Rework is always a good think. AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Rioter Comments
Ląst (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Quello dei Gatti,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=00030000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-19T08:27:26.467+0000) > > U totally missed my point, didn't you? > Anyway: EVERY automated system is bound to generate some "false positive", in the like of 1 every thousands and thousands and thousands. > Riot ban system for flaming, for example, is as perfect as an automated system can get: u can browse the internet and find 1/2 cases of legit false positive (corrected manualy shortly), but the % is so small to not even be relevant. > Guess what: the same goes for the automated "inting buster" system, another "as error proof as possible" one. > > In short: a guy banned for flaming...is guilty. > A guy banned for inting...is guilty. > He can claim all he wants he is "the one", the unlucky 1 player out there that actually was truly innocent (like uh...pretty much EVERYONE always claim?), but Riot ban enough is a proof is lying or, if u like it better, a 99,9999999999999% sure proof of it. > And, in THIS case, we have the ban and a INCREDIBLE large amount of deaths, a number so high I don't know if I EVER saw it in THOUSANDS of "level 30" (non counting aram: but even there is REALLY rare) games played, if not when meeting...inters; the chance of him being innocent and me winning the lottery are pretty much the same, LOL. > > But ehy, I am discussing with someone convinced that to ban a 10/0 guy all u do is to gave him 4 reports or so in a game, I am probably wasting my time trying to put some sense into you, aren't I? > > EDIT: oh wtf I was talking with the inter himself LOL > now I fully get it: u are not super clueless, just biased as hell, and in desperate search of excuses!^^ > oh and your "skill level" further seal the deal: I can maybe believe that a bronze/low silver player can die that much in a very bad game due to hard tilting etc not doing it on purpose, not for sure a diamond one LOL You said it's 100% unfailable, now that i proved you wrong you say it's not. This says a lot about your knowledge. By the way being diamond doesn't mean you can't have bad games when you try a new champ. But as I said, I know you will never admit what you said is dumb, you're just that kind of guy who wants to argue everything. If I made a post saying Riot doesn't ban enough people for inting, you would have said they should ban less and their system bans too easily. I'm sure of this, I recognize kids like you at first sight xD Also I found several 15+ deaths games in your match history even in games 25 minutes long. So you inted? Why you're not banned yet? 15 deaths in 25 mintues is 100% inting imo.
> [{quoted}](name=Ląst,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=000300000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-19T09:06:27.748+0000) > > You said it's 100% unfailable, now that i proved you wrong you proved nothing, u just don't wanna understand what I said, cause u need some excuses to try to avoid your deserved punishment :) oh wait, u proved something after all: saying that "i bet that with 4 reports u can get a 10/0 guy banned" u proved that u either know NOTHING about the system or/and u are just lying your ass off^^ > By the way being diamond doesn't mean you can't have bad games when you try a new champ. Bad games, yes. 18 deaths? LOL > Also I found several 15+ deaths games in your match history Show me...ONE. I looked my op gg, went back since a MONTH ago and the most deaths I found was 14 as nocturne...in ARAM u understood the part were i said "not counting ARAM", right? cause, not counting aram, the most deaths I had amount to 9 (in a bad game, ofc), and that's how far op gg was literally able to go :)
Ląst (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Quello dei Gatti,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=000300000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-19T08:04:10.616+0000) > > what u just wrote is surely one of the stupidiest things I ever read, EVER (u should keep up with the game btw, since is at least MONTHS AND MONTHS that the system was changed in a way that the number of reports in a single game doesn't matter in the slighest anymore, as clearly stated loud and clear by Riot) > > > > Oh, btw: u thinking that a 1/1/1 player "can't possibly be a griefer, right?" just show how u really don't know NOTHING, sorry So why was he unbanned BY RIOT, saying the UNFAILABLE SYSTEM made a mistake? Maybe not so unfailable as you think? xD Bue yeah, I'm the one saying dumb things I guess when even Riot admits it fails. But whatever, I'm sure you will never admit all you said in this post is just %%%%%%ed over 9k.
> [{quoted}](name=Ląst,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=0003000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-19T08:09:37.138+0000) > > So why was he unbanned BY RIOT U totally missed my point, didn't you? Anyway: EVERY automated system is bound to generate some "false positive", in the like of 1 every thousands and thousands and thousands. Riot ban system for flaming, for example, is as perfect as an automated system can get: u can browse the internet and find 1/2 cases of legit false positive (corrected manualy shortly), but the % is so small to not even be relevant. Guess what: the same goes for the automated "inting buster" system, another "as error proof as possible" one. In short: a guy banned for flaming...is guilty. A guy banned for inting...is guilty. He can claim all he wants he is "the one", the unlucky 1 player out there that actually was truly innocent (like uh...pretty much EVERYONE always claim?), but Riot ban enough is a proof is lying or, if u like it better, a 99,9999999999999% sure proof of it. And, in THIS case, we have the ban and a INCREDIBLE large amount of deaths, a number so high I don't know if I EVER saw it in THOUSANDS of "level 30" (non counting aram: but even there is REALLY rare) games played, if not when meeting...inters; the chance of him being innocent and me winning the lottery are pretty much the same, LOL. But ehy, I am discussing with someone convinced that to ban a 10/0 guy all u do is to gave him 4 reports or so in a game, I am probably wasting my time trying to put some sense into you, aren't I? EDIT: oh wtf I was talking with the inter himself LOL now I fully get it: u are not super clueless, just biased as hell, and in desperate search of excuses!^^ oh and your "skill level" further seal the deal: I can maybe believe that a bronze/low silver player can die that much in a very bad game due to hard tilting etc not doing it on purpose, not for sure a diamond one LOL
Ląst (EUW)
: > And let me repeat: Riot "inters buster" DON'T ban innocent guys, is made to only punish when is 157% clear they deserve it, even if it means that 4398348943 actual inters can walk free. > In short: if Riot ban someone for inting...that player is guilty, period. So the system is never wrong, you say, right? Are you sure about this statement or you wanna retreat? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSGgwE_yiM I'm 100% sure the Riot system doesn't look at all at any stat, you might be 10/0 and still get banned if 4+ more people report you. How is this an unfailable system?
> [{quoted}](name=Ląst,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=00030000000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-19T07:35:15.810+0000) > >100% sure the Riot system doesn't look at all at any stat, you might be 10/0 and still get banned if 4+ more people report you. what u just wrote is surely one of the stupidiest things I ever read, EVER (u should keep up with the game btw, since is at least MONTHS AND MONTHS that the system was changed in a way that the number of reports in a single game doesn't matter in the slighest anymore, as clearly stated loud and clear by Riot) Oh, btw: u thinking that a 1/1/1 player "can't possibly be a griefer, right?" just show how u really don't know NOTHING, sorry
rèV (EUW)
: I really like how you purposely dodged my question of how to find out the intend of a player while connecting a death in the game and his emotional state. You haven't given me an answer on how it's done while you clearly claim, that the system actually banned a 100% guilty player here. You only adressed things i actually agreed on with. Sweet irony. This case hasn't proven anything at all. You might want to look up what "proofing something" means. I hope you realize as well, that your whole post is a huge contradictions to your conclusion. You are telling me, that neither personal stats nor perspective to others matters, so how does this unfailable system of Riot work and find intentional feeders while not looking at stats? Blindly relying on a group report by 4 premades? Or do we actually have a chip implemented, that this system constantly monitors to see, if our emotional state matches the outcomes in this very specific game? Or does it maybe read chat logs and scans for the wort "inting" or "intentional feeding" and bans everyone that wrote this word because it assumes that he did it? So far you have given me zero ways of connecting emotional instability and dying in the game to clearly proof, that a player is intentionally feeding without him explicitly stating it. At this point, for this specific case, we have 0 indication, that he intentionally fed and you can't prove shit while i gave you several indications why it's unlikely that he did. And i'm pretty sure it will stay this way. So i'm not going to bother with you anymore. You would probably not even ackknowledge the possibility of him not feeding even if he uploaded the replay.
> [{quoted}](name=rèV,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-18T23:00:52.683+0000) > > I really like how you purposely dodged my question of how to find out the intend of a player while connecting a death in the game and his emotional state. Didn't dodged anything, u just wrote a LOT of totally irrelevant stuff. >so how does this unfailable system of Riot work and find intentional feeders while not looking at stats? In ways that we aren't supposed to know cause otherwise trolls&Co could try to cheat it. But we know how it DOESN'T work: not by simply looking at stats&Co, how clearly stated by Riot many times. Btw: we cannot know how exactly works but u don't need to be a genius to figure out at least some of the parametres: I surely won't tell them here (for the same reasons why Riot don't do it) but if something SUPER obvious BESIDES stats doesn't pop up in your mind in 5 secs or so...wow. > At this point, for this specific case, we have 0 indication ...what? We have Riot "inting buster" that nailed him, a system that doesn't punish innocents, period. I would call it quite a solid "indication" or, more likely, a solid proof of him being guilty, LOL. >i'm not going to bother to you anymore. I wouldn't mind cause u aren't saying anything remotely interesting, but I REALLY doubt so.
Rioter Comments
rèV (EUW)
: What do you mean by common mistake? You want to tell me, that there is absolutely no correlation between bad stats and bans for intentional feeding? You seriously want to tell me, that in this specific instance, he was banned because of purposely dying at a specific time to throw a 45 minute game? Why would someone extend the game longer than it has to be? Because that is, what intentionally feeding tries to archive: making games end fast. And why would his team keep playing, especially in a normal game, if they could just surrender? It's absurd to say, that it's NEVER about the score. A strong indicator for intentionally feeding is having an overproportional amount of deaths compared to the average player in the game and, if you want to extend it to the general case, having these amounts of deaths in a huge amount of your games overall. So no, i don't agree with your "common mistake" statement at all. I took a very specific look at this game and concluded this not only by his stats, but also by the stats of his teammates, the enemies, the damage dealt, the wards placed, the items bought and the minions farmed. I also took other games into consideration to see, if he is prone to inting. If we go by your logic, we could never pinpoint intentionally feeding at all. What you are saying is, that someone rages and dies 2 times, he should be held accountable for intentionally feeding. So what if he says, that he lagged or that he actually didn't do it on purpose? What judgement do you make then? You would probably say, that he is lying because you noticed that he raged and that the deaths happened shortly after, which is not an necessarly an unjustified claim at that point. A bit strong, but there is ground to believe so. But where is your proof? Same applies to scripters. If someone dodges 95% of skillshots and he says he is not scripting, how do make a judgement if you don't look at numbers? I go by quantifiable numbers and compare them to the players, that definitely weren't feeding, which was established by the situation. I go with the assumption that none of the enemy team nor his own team was feeding (because the enemy team won and his team reported him for inting, hence the assumption that they weren't inting themselve), yet you still find high death numbers on both sides, which implies (yes, it does imply something) that it was a high kill game in general. I don't disagree, that inting is probably caused by emotional outburst most of the times, but that doesn't matter at all. We are not searching for the cause, we are searching for indications, that clearly point out, in conjuction with other factors, that he was purposely feeding the enemy team to make his team lose. And i see none at all in this case.
> [{quoted}](name=rèV,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-09-18T22:22:11.005+0000) > > What do you mean by common mistake? You want to tell me, that there is absolutely no correlation between bad stats and bans for intentional feeding? Read what I have already wrote, is all explained there. Yes, a VERY bad score can be a valid sign of inting but u can int with EVERY kind of score, providing u have died at least one time during the game. >What you are saying is, that someone rages and dies 2 times, he should be held accountable for intentionally feeding If he did it on purpose OFC he must be punished for it, doesn't matter if he did it 2 times or 20. >I took a very specific look at this game and concluded this not only by his stats, but also by the stats of his teammates, the enemies, the damage dealt, the wards placed, the items bought and the minions farmed. I also took other games into consideration to see, if he is prone to inting. ...all things that mean nothing. U can snap at ANY point in the game, what your teamates did has 0 relevance, and so forth. Sure: if u go 0/20 in every game u are surely a troll. But u can have perfectly normal stats and still be a inter, like this case proved. And let me repeat: Riot "inters buster" DON'T ban innocent guys, is made to only punish when is 157% clear they deserve it, even if it means that 4398348943 actual inters can walk free. In short: if Riot ban someone for inting...that player is guilty, period.
rèV (EUW)
: I would actually write a ticket to Riot Support. Your damage seems a bit low for playing Aurelion Sol, but stats overall indicate to me that you genuinely tried to participate as good as you can in the game, since you have a few kills and a bunch of assists and having the second highest score in placed wards. Not sure who even played support in your game, seemed like a pretty big fiesta in general. Just seems like an unlucky game - a normal game on top of it. But yeah, i'd ask Riot to look into it. It doesn't seem fair considering all your other games. I just go with the assumption, that you usually don't flame and you are not chart restricted or that you haven't received any other punishments. For me there is no indication for intentional feeding, not in general in your games and not in this one either.
> [{quoted}](name=rèV,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-09-18T21:44:53.751+0000) > >stats overall indicate to me that you genuinely tried to participate as good as you can in the game That's a really common mistake, to judge a possible intentional feeders by stats. True: if u are 0/30/0 u are almost surely a troll but the opposite is not true at all: u can be 12/2/20 and actually deserve a ban for inting if u started raging for some reason and died on purpose those two times. Is NEVER about the score, is simple about if a player snapped during a game and started to die on purpose, doesn't matter how many times, doesn't matter how he was doing before it.
Smerk (EUW)
: Contact support, they can remove unjustified bans, system is still relatively new and makes mistakes. Also I have a question. was that Jhin mid?
> [{quoted}](name=Smerk,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IEjMchZq,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-18T21:40:17.889+0000) > > Contact support, they can remove unjustified bans, system is still relatively new and makes mistakes. Ahem. To avoid punishing innocent players the system ban you for inting only if is 137% sure u actually did it. The system is very flawed...in the sense that a LOT of inters go unpunished: but someone get busted u can bank on him being guilty.
: That's none of your business. Thus, if you think it is you can : 1) Talk to him and try to know why he wants to be eloboosted 2) Try to explain him why it's not a good idea 3) Report him to the riot's support.
> [{quoted}](name=Starcraft243ver,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=qnV38zwF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-18T16:12:22.094+0000) > > That's none of your business. Not true at all, and this mindset is ruining the game. Eloboosters/Eloboosted are creating a super toxic enviroment, with TONS of unbalanced games basically decided before they start (a d1 boosting an acc in silver? good luck to the enemy team... a boosted diamond that actually belong in low silver? good luck to his team...). That's NOT about "elo hell" (meaning u can still climb with a bit of patience ofc), is about the game experience becoming worse and worse cause of this BS, not to mention that every "ranking achievement" is pretty much pointless atm, considering how easy it is to get boosted atm, even for free, most of the time (if you are not super greedy). In short: EVERY "boosting case" is EVERY honest player business, cause every "boosting case" is part of a GIANT problem.
: Why did i fall?
...are u serious? You are the first one admitting u are super tilted, yet you ask how this happened to you and how to climb back?
PaNoCC7 (EUNE)
: my friend gave me perma ban
https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/YA5tJTEZ-i-got-perma-banned are u trolling or what? u really think someone could believe u? LOL
Nakoruru (EUNE)
: You say it like trolling is a kind of art :) I submitted my own comment at the post and the first sentence says "No, it's not reportable". With my other words I tried to take a deeper look inside the question.
> [{quoted}](name=Nakoruru,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=j4zlxhGu,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-03T12:13:48.421+0000) > > You say it like trolling is a kind of art :) not at all, that's why """right""" and not right >the first sentence says "No, it's not reportable" and was a wrong sentence, that's all
Nakoruru (EUNE)
: It's reportable if player states at chat that he's not going to help anymore, but if you just don't shield at right time to save someone, nobody can prove if you had intention to do so or you were looking somewhere else. https://p6.zdusercontent.com/attachment/43400/l9hssaixbgdwria?token=eyJhbGciOiJkaXIiLCJlbmMiOiJBMTI4Q0JDLUhTMjU2In0..1CmjZfClYCgmXVipzrRURw.fI_0YgEhQ6_1_kxcSbneD7z1LHQ74XJG1r3aLU9KL5xsA4Sg7hBGDg8NGCoxPVfPj2H_hr8DCagKMtTkoLrPMfDtNAjFfK-T03SxsjeRO6MI41BOroPsZI-gvCq1YdpNqcloIJ3SNdh9cCepRWKdVrp12SEtUpyZSpvKxBEJaPjs1hmB4VnldQzUfrxQru3867DG1VnFWDtB9LUtT6URhDi7GkMq-9m3beAcgw2XVxM-8iAxS0GOd54SFSfuv1M2AQYvQmb7c37sGmDyYDKVvE8mf2lSviyqNrArfbVJh4g.fpcQW1tJGP1464B2pPlf7g Source: [Article](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player)
> [{quoted}](name=Nakoruru,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=j4zlxhGu,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-09-03T11:57:17.515+0000) > > if you just don't shield at right time to save someone, nobody can prove if you had intention to do so or you were looking somewhere else. he didn't asked if was "easy/hard/impossible to prove", he asked if was bannable and it is everyone knows that the in game trolling is REALLY hard to detect if done """right""" but that was not the point
: Well, he's probably right to call you an a*****e if you let him die only to be petty. But yeah, not reportable. However, don't do this It loses games and only makes the toxic person become more toxic since you're actually trying to make him lose.
> [{quoted}](name=Mistery 8390,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=j4zlxhGu,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-03T11:48:35.070+0000) > But yeah, not reportable. is totally reportable, is plain trolling just cause someone is flaming u are %%%%ing up your WHOLE team chances to do that, is the same exact principle of "don't flame back cause u will only etc etc etc"
wingzerzzz (EUNE)
: Some motivation ?
if your only reason is the skin just don't playing a mode u don't really enjoy just for a skin is VERY stupid
: I don't know what to do anymore
so basically u don't wanna hear the truth
House x33 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Quello dei Gatti,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WxfQnY32,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2017-09-01T15:02:20.332+0000) > > he didn't, not at all Right, totally didn't. kappa.
> [{quoted}](name=House x33,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WxfQnY32,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-01T16:17:52.977+0000) > > Right, totally didn&# Yeah the log are pretty clear. TONS of text, VAST majority either positive or neutral, really minor "toxic" and in a very moderate way
House x33 (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Quello dei Gatti,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WxfQnY32,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-08-31T22:32:57.666+0000) > > if this ALL your chat (I highly doubt so, I think u left out the games where u were most toxic) the perma wasn't deserved at all > u talked a lot but mostly in a positive/neutral way and the few times u were "toxic" was REALLY small stuff Considering he's talking so much crap after having a 14 day ban, it is deserved. Might want to stop using the word cancer as well as report calling and threatening to mute.
> [{quoted}](name=House x33,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WxfQnY32,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-09-01T09:01:37.807+0000) > > Considering he's talking so much crap he didn't, not at all
phraaanz (EUW)
: The ban was issued due to this 1 game, this is the entire chat log.
> [{quoted}](name=phraaanz,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=WxfQnY32,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-08-31T22:45:24.269+0000) > > The ban was issued due to this 1 game, this is the entire chat log. sorry, I find it VERY hard to believe care to show the actual picture? a really absurd perma anyway, IF u are telling the truth (unless the chatlog is wrong, there is/was a bug about it)
pirolance (EUW)
: Sharing my account
in theory is forbidden, but no one will give a %%%% as long as is your sister playing normal and aram
phraaanz (EUW)
: How did this get me banned
if this ALL your chat (I highly doubt so, I think u left out the games where u were most toxic) the perma wasn't deserved at all u talked a lot but mostly in a positive/neutral way and the few times u were "toxic" was REALLY small stuff
: Reportable?
don't think so, just very childish
: Help me get better
On average u die WAY too much. This is the first thing u should try to correct and something that usually is hard to grasp at your level: not to be a greedy kamikaze, knowing when a risk is worth to be taken and when is plain stupid, learning to give up a chase (y, even if he has 15 hp left if u are no way to reach him fast and u are going too deep into unwarded enemy territory), what your champ can do and what he CAN'T do. Remember: u can't do jack shit when u are dead (no gold, no xp, no obj...) so before thinking about kills etc focus on staying alive (unless u are trading your death for something worth).
: if that guy would have done 1 minute of research for other perma banned topics here then he would have seen it himself. If you are lazy you get what you deserve.
> [{quoted}](name=CooL Ice Tea,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=dRYe9Omt,comment-id=000100030001,timestamp=2017-08-31T16:48:52.489+0000) > > if that guy would have done 1 minute of research for other perma banned topics here then he would have seen it himself. If you are lazy you get what you deserve. a) the guys was clearly panicking, thus unable to thinking straight b) being "lazy" wouldn't be a valid reason to be mocked anyway Riot stated multiple time that there is NEVER a reason to be rude under ANY occasion and that should go in game AND on the forum, to not be simply hypocritical c) a Rioter should hold himself to an higher standard, leaving this kind of mockery to others
: Working hard in competitive to gain skins at a specific milestone
That has nothing to do to "play competitive" but only on plain, old grinding
: per·ma·nent ˈpərmənənt adjective 1. lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely. "a permanent ban on the dumping of radioactive waste at sea" synonyms: lasting, enduring, indefinite, continuing, perpetual, everlasting, eternal, abiding, constant, irreparable, irreversible, lifelong, indissoluble, indelible, standing, perennial, unending, endless, never-ending, immutable, undying, imperishable, indestructible, ineradicable, ineliminable; More
> [{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=dRYe9Omt,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-08-30T23:33:37.090+0000) > > per·ma·nent > ˈpərmənənt > adjective > > 1. > lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely. > "a permanent ban on the dumping of radioactive waste at sea" > synonyms: lasting, enduring, indefinite, continuing, perpetual, everlasting, eternal, abiding, constant, irreparable, irreversible, lifelong, indissoluble, indelible, standing, perennial, unending, endless, never-ending, immutable, undying, imperishable, indestructible, ineradicable, ineliminable; More Meh. Ofc he won't get his acc back, and I am sure the punishment was deserved. But I don't find very... "mature" from Riot to basically laugh at his face for his request, instead of simply explaning normally why he can't have it back.
: Well. Not really. But not being rude. More like a straight woman that hates awful jokes. Simply if you take ex "Kappa" she will kick you out the house for being rude and using a word only kids use. Edit: Meaning she is respectful but if you don't respect her your going down.
> [{quoted}](name=The Hero Simon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0cWpWYZU,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-30T22:51:22.849+0000) > >Simply if you take ex "Kappa" she will kick you out the house for being rude and using a word only kids use. I should add her then, I HATE that kinda of stuff.
U405120 (EUW)
: I got banned for int feeding but i am just learning the game
you are not fooling anyone, get a perma soon :)
rreuven (EUNE)
: How to deal with top laners in the mid lane (panth,jayce etc)
: a lot of recpect from her
> [{quoted}](name=The Hero Simon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0cWpWYZU,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-08-30T16:37:04.152+0000) > > a lot of recpect from her so u mean she is always positive etc? ok
Mr Sky 1 (EUW)
: A game that aims at creating dependence more then an enjoyable experience.
LoL won't do anything of what u wrote. Being OBSESSED with it like u clearly are can do it, and that's on u. And u WILL climb if u are good and not toxic (and patient, can still take a bit), luck is a major factor only in the short period; u are deluded.
: Friends in LoL is not what they seems to be.
> [{quoted}](name=The Hero Simon,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0cWpWYZU,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-08-30T12:31:09.414+0000) >she always to hella lot when it comes down to respecting her teammates and being positive when it comes to voice chat. she is always what? didn't got that part at all
: ok mr sit behind a desk and teach people how deal with real life let's say we change lol and put studying instead is acceptable to sacrifice things and study all day long?
> [{quoted}](name=HiTMaNNNN,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fvUwPY64,comment-id=000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-29T19:54:20.327+0000) > is acceptable to sacrifice things and study all day long? is not about being "acceptable" or not, is about being a problem or not and yes, if you study ALL DAY LONG as an habit (and not for few, selected days before a test or w/e) then u have a problem and the same goes with pretty much everything if it become the WHOLE center of your life (cause then it become an obsession, and an obsession is never healthy) is basic stuff, really oh, btw: I am not "teaching" anything, u can do whatever u want and I surely won't care
: you know nothing about me irl lmao why do you think you have the right to judge me or other people? do u know how much i achieved? do you know what im doing aside from playing the game? did u even consider that some might have special needs ?
> [{quoted}](name=HiTMaNNNN,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fvUwPY64,comment-id=0000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-29T17:58:31.533+0000) > > you know nothing about me irl and I really don't need (nor want) to I will repeat it: if u "breath lol" and play "from morning til dusk", if u "sacrifice stuff for LoL" u have a problem (namely, a serious, SERIOUS addiction), period no matter who u are, that will be ALWAYS be true
: Streamer extorting people into following
Saddest part? He is probably doing it hoping to get "famous" like Tyler1
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