CΑT (EUW)
: How can Riot improve their punishment system?
actually my biggest issue is that chat logs taken out of context appear toxic. for example i have received a chat restriction for explaining to my jungler why our tower dive failed and how we should correctly do it next time. fast forward later, the enemy laner snowballed the 2-0 lead and low and behold report top for int feeding and flame. now u look at my chat log and assume i am being argumentative and negative and i receive a chat restriction because the community uses the broken report system as a way to punish single mistakes/a bad or unlucky game/new players
: Well hello here my friend, imagine this i clicked on player behaviour and saw lots of posts with lots of downvotes, i randomly chose your's and thought to myself "it couldnt be that bad" well i thought wrong. You are right you do deserve the ban no doubt about that but you still have the pride to say: > also it was only one game.......... Idc if it was 1 game you flamed and known you shouldnt of. Riot does not take any flaming from players that literally just talk all game and be negative to the team. If your going to reply "shouldnt the ban be from 3 games" im going to answer your question now. No. Flaming shouldnt be measured of x games it should be measured of the game you flamed and from this example i see you were really toxic.
you seem to have missed the point entirely my friend. riot have stated many a time that they are fully aware that sometimes players have a bad game. the emphasis on singular. unless you are god himself there is no way you can look at one chat log and decide that i am a toxic player. you have no evidence to suggest this isnt a one off incident. my gripe is not with being suspended. my gripe is with if this suspension is just then why is this sort of punishment not being dished out widespread. you can enter 1 out of 5 low elo games and find this plus worse and yet no punishments given.
Rismosch (EUW)
: It has nothing to do with me having no time. But seeing people banned everyday and explaining each and every person the exact same thing, it becomes tiresome. So I keep myself short, while still telling the author of the post what I think about it. Also keeping myself short is better for the person who is banned. You see yourself, people like to argue and I don't think it's a good idea to argue with someone who is just baned, as the banned person is already angry and I don't think arguing helps in any way. Since you seem like a nice guy, let me tell you how the system works: The system that bans you doesn't care what you ment or what your opinions are. The system does not care if you are racist, homophobic or anything else. It solely judges if you are toxic or not. And someone is toxic if he is rude and disrespectful to others, by calling them names or being mean. Racism, homophobia, death threats are extreme cases of toxicity and are treated as such. The system saw that you insulted other players and punished you accordingly. It does not matter if you actually were homophobic or racist like the other boards users point it out, but fact is that you used swear words in an insultive manner and this is what got you punished. Also before you mention it, arguing about how it is fair or not leads to nowhere, as toxicity is something that is highly subjective. I literally do not care what you have wrote, you could literally call someone a n.i.g.g.e.r.f.a.g.g.o.t for that matter and I would not give a damn. But the thing is, there is a limit. And that limit usually ends where the feelings of anyone begin. So you may think what you said was totally fine, but for that limit you went overboard. So if you want to not get permabanned once your 14 day ban ends, you need to turn down your language. Every little insult can get you banned. The only real advice I can give you is to not call people out. Also never argue with anyone, as it just makes you angry and isn't useful in the game anyway. In the end this is just a game, not an arguing contest.
yh ive been coming to realisation of this myself. it really is all down to the individuals of that particular game. theres probably just a single checkbox. was insulting language used? if yes assign punishment proportionat to number of reports in said game. and rito is contantly putting out spiel about their reform system. oh well what can you do? /mute all XD thanks for the post
sirDarts (EUW)
: It's a balancing act. They wan't to lower the amount of games these already permabanned players ruin to a minimum. Yes, it might catch a smurf or an actual new player, and that needs to be limited, but the question is where the line needs to be drawn.
i only wish i hadnt dropped 150 bucks into it not 2 hours before
sirDarts (EUW)
: Oh this might explain it, you are under lvl 30, I didn't think of checking it. Riot is stricter with low level accounts to faster catch permabanned players who made a new account and are as toxic as they used to. So you might have been caught in that.
hmmm ok i guess u are probably right on that. then they need to change that. because their policy is reform of players, not just straight up banning them. and they claim to know that reform doesnt happen instantly so they shouldnt instaban the first bad game.... but anyway thanks for the input
: Only read the first 8 - 9 comments, and if that's something you normally fire off, the 14 day suspension is according to their season 8 guidelines. Would be nice if this company didn't just edit their guidelines, and actually took the time to make an announcement about changes they make in their guidelines / policies. _No, it isn't the players own responsibility to go and re-read guidelines season after season, it's the company's responsibility to announce those changes!_
wait hold on? so this whole thing about 5 game, 15 game, 2 week, permanent suspension tiers of punishment is outdated?
: I can't say. I ahve seen chat logs in here with 3 toxic games as the reason for a ban, and sometimes just one. The three games were no worse than for those who had just one game of chat logs, so my hypothesis is that it is about time. If you have not been toxic enoughf or a valid report in x days, weeks, months, but the underlying tendency from reports are still tied to your account, then you just get the one chat log. But I have no basis for this. That being said, it has been stated that stuff like k y s, f a g and so on as well as exteme toxicity can both trigger ban.
yes i understand all of that, and im not arguing here. im just genuinely confused. its a lvl 16 acc i created like last week. ive never in any match used phrases like k y s or f a g. so it cant be a time thing and ive never been punished or gotten restricitons so i couldnt possibly have had a whole load of reports. there isnt anything (as far as im aware) that i did or said that triggers an instant 14 day ban the only thing i can think of is if you link your account to the same email as previously punished accounts. but then punishing someone like that doesnt particularly speak well of riots reform policy
Rismosch (EUW)
: Sorry if I offended you, but posts like yours are stale for me . I literally read such posts daily and It became so repetitive, I do not even try to argue anymore. It just isn't worth for me to argue about it. So I just take a quick look at the chatlogs and tell you straight up if you deserved it or not. And in this case you did deserve it. Sorry if you expected something else.
if its not worth your time why do you bother coming to read them? either way thanks and sorry if u think i wasted ur time
Smerk (EUW)
: %%% as f u k
wow its censored hahahaha "f.u.k"
: >RH Apollo: toxic %%% please demonstrate how this is a variation of " f uck" because as you can see, "fck" works just fine :)
it says "%%%" posted screenshots
Valzuuuh (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=IUdq9tpX,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-02-26T14:47:04.332+0000) > > then is it the wrong chatlog or what? Not sure, unfortunately :-/ In any case, OP should contact Player Support, so they can review his behaviour :-) https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
i already sent a ticket to player support. i also made a mistake, the first censored word is " d.i.c.k" not "f.u.c.k" and the second is "%%%" not any homophobic thing like ppl are saying now that we have put that to rest....
: saying fg­t is considered homophobic. Deal with it
: You were really toxic that game. I would say in and of itself, probably not. But if you have some reports on you that has so far not given a punishment, and this was the final straw, then it is a very big straw.
yh i agree i was actually really bad. but if its due to an accumulation of reports then wouldnt that result in a chat restriction? i dont understand how several reports over different games results to instant 2 week ban with only 1 game on the report card as opposed to a 15 game chat restriction
Rismosch (EUW)
: it's not worth it to elaborate, as every permabanned topic is 99% of the time the same. And your post falls under that 99%. You can do some research yourself to find out what is toxic and what not.
well you know i politely asked for people to not be condescending i have done the research and the only things that lead to instant 2 weeks are homophobic slurs, racism and hate speech. all are absent the whole point of my post was a request for some kind of elaboration. dont bother commenting if youre going to be like that
: the problem is that he like most flamers only talk about muting. they don't actually do it {{sticker:sg-ezreal}}
yes, this is true. i have actually been pretty good of late with just instant muting everyone, dont know why i didnt this time....
: I like how you apparently muted everyone twice and had a toxic conversation with yourself directed towards your team. Is your head okay, buddy?
yh clearly it wasnt but then again it wouldnt be the first time someone muted then unmuted. i guess i was tilted but is that deserving of 2 weeks with no prior puinishments or restrictions?
sirDarts (EUW)
: So you are telling me fck is censored? Clearly it isn't.
i have no reason to lie on the boards, i already sent in my ticket. they will be able to see themselves what that it is. it just a waste of time to lie on the boards. im just looking for opinoions. 100% truth i didnt say k.y.s and and i wasnt homophobic
: >no racism, no homophobia or any thing else like that no afk , no inting. never had a chat suspension or punishment before or even leaver buster. >RH Apollo: some %%%% just came and took my mouse mat away >RH Apollo: toxic %%% what's that^?
both of those % is an f.u.c.k the first wasnt even referring to someone in game. they were asking why i just went afk next to turret and died. i ecplained that some guy next to me just took my mouse mat and i had to get it back from them. in that moment rip me
sirDarts (EUW)
: There are only 2 censored 3-letter words. One is a shortened homophobic slur (starts with an f, if you are unsure). The other is k y s. Both are zero-tolerance phrases that make you skip chat restrictions.
both of those % is an f.u.c.k the first wasnt even referring to someone in game. they were asking why i just went afk next to turret and died. i ecplained that some guy next to me just took my mouse mat and i had to get it back from them. in that moment rip me
sirDarts (EUW)
: There are only 2 censored 3-letter words. One is a shortened homophobic slur (starts with an f, if you are unsure). The other is k y s. Both are zero-tolerance phrases that make you skip chat restrictions.
that is not true at all, i said neither of those things. both of those are f.u.c.k
sirDarts (EUW)
: Yes. Homophobia, racism, other forms of hate-speech or telling people to commit suicide will make you skip chat restrictions right into a 14-day ban.
i wasnt homophobic or racist, where is the hate speech?
sirDarts (EUW)
: > no racism, no homophobia or any thing else like that Hummm > RH Apollo: stop pinging me > RH Apollo: toxic %%% Yeah...
that isnt racism or homophobia? and im not doubting i desrve a punishment, but 2 weeks off 1 game? with no prior punishments or restricitons. if this chat log is deserving then riot should be handing out permanent suspensions twice per game
: >no racism, no homophobia or any thing else like that no afk , no inting. never had a chat suspension or punishment before or even leaver buster. >RH Apollo: some %%%% just came and took my mouse mat away >RH Apollo: toxic %%% what's that^?
thats a 2 week punishment with no prios restrictions?
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