: I find reportcalling highly, I repeat, highly annoying. And I bet, half of the community finds that as well.
It is and it isn't, report calling; omg report my f###ing jungler he's so bad (When jungler goes 0/3/0 is different to, Damn this 4v5 we're opening pls 9* this Sona (when the sona afks at min 3)
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Noctiss,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=0002000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-15T13:43:14.878+0000) > > but that goes against every logic of what you said, or somewhat of what league is > are you telling me i can be nice, then tell someone to %%%, and then continue being nice WITHOUT punishment? > that is abysmal > %%% should be a ban on sight, you type it, you are gone > but i mean if THAT is the kind of game riot wants, where people pretend to be nice and then drop the bad words onto 1 person they dont like, alright > > so you just need to be friendly a couple of games, then 1 guy you dont like, you tell him something like im gonna shoot up your school, and then you continue being nice, no punishment. Good. Good. Very solid way to battle toxicity. And you wonder why people are quitting You didn't read the other parts of my post, but death threats are very different from saying %%%, and treated as such. However in the scenario you mentioned, it's a "one and done" thing. The system takes a very, very long time to stop counting what you've done in the past - not a couple of games. This isn't a "say %%% once every few games and you're alright" - it can take months if not years to reset from that big a mark against your account for toxicity, and a minor infraction will push you over that punishment area.
Out of curiosity is there an FAQ, or some kind of tech sheet that goes into better detail about how the system works, what accumulates, what is a major/minor infraction and how long these things take drop off etc?
Tarolock (EUNE)
: >lack of self control? really? some people are really good at pissing you off in this game and they are the worst you ban the ones who get baited into a ban and not the ones who instigated shit in the first place i don't like this system at all its YOUR fault, you took the bait... you can mute them and they cant anger you anymore on the chat, but you didnt...
I mean, just look at the way he was dressed! If he didn't want to get harassed he shouldn't have been wearing that sexy teemo skin!
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-05-15T11:24:20.970+0000) > > I don't disagree with you per se, I actually think it's an admirable trait of people to walk away without saying anything. > > However, I don't agree that it is reasonable to expect everyone should act in that manner. Absolutely we should all walk away, if someone punches you IRL, given the opportunity to walk away you should take it and report it later on, however, no amount of being told fighting back will only make things worse is going to make me think that turning around and giving back what you are given is unjust or unfair. > > Yes absolutely given the opportunity you should mute and move on, but like in the example above, I had a guy tell me to kill myself and I cannot see any form of punishment that has been given to that player, for the system to work the system has to be transparent which it isn't. If you are someone who has no faith in the system your only kartharsis for being told horrible things is to type back because otherwise you will be constantly abused and will have to take it on faith that riot might do something about it. > > Which is why I came here to complain about being told to kill myself. I totally understand what you mean - like I also said, one guy told me to "hang my worthless self" - and what I actually did was write "Nah dude" then just deleted them - it's better not to feed the trolls because then they'll usually just continue and that'll make you more upset.
Yeah, that's fair, I just wish there was more transparency in terms of knowing that trolls are being hit with the ban hammer but as you say, anything you do does feed the trolls.
: > [{quoted}](name=LordBadToo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T09:17:05.296+0000) > > I'm not an agitator, I'm just pointing out that without some form of evidence and or information, when you say "X happened to me", its on it's best day hearsay and given the circumstances you described, the punishment system would not have given you a 14 day ban which makes what your telling us (or not telling us) suspect at best. > > For the record I never at any point said that you deserved to be told to go kill yourself, I find that kind of language and conversation offensive and at no point did I swear at you, so I don't know why you are calling me an A-Hole. Which by the way, is against the policy on this forum as it is in game, so clearly you have a problem staying out of trouble. I was not defending anyone, your really reading into this. This has nothing at all to do with what someone said to you, or how someone behaved towards you. This is about why you were justifiably punished. You said that you got a 14 day ban for one time saying a curse word, I called BS on it because both you and I know it is BS. What your doing is propagating the myth that the punishment system is somehow broken and it's not, it's working just fine. Why you did it, what triggered you, I don't care and neither does RIOT or anyone else. You were punished for your behavior and only your behavior matters, but your not even willing to fess up as to why you actually got punished, still claiming that all you did was use one curse word and got a 14 day ban. There is no scenario in which that would happen as already pointed out by the tech. Repeat offenses, spamming, and/or a combination of all of it, that can get you 14 day banned without a previous warning. Saying one curse word and getting a 14 day ban.... sorry m8, never happened.
Fess up, come on, you are really worked up about this, I have said repeatedly I told some %%%, I SHOULD be banned for this, I AM NOT complaining about being banned, I am fine with it, it is deserved, it was out of nowhere but as a rioter has said, it is 100% within the realms of possibility that say %%% to someone and it will be a suspension. I AM FINE WITH THIS, why on earth do you think I am lying??? You are obsessed with the thing I'm not here to discuss, I am saying person X told me to kill myself, and I can see they have gone on to play several games afterward, my problem isn't why was I banned, it's why isn't riot blanket banning being told to %%%? However as I said, you are an agitator who has decided I am sinner who must be punished by the good god LordBadToo and I clearly deserve anything I get because I swear on the internet and that makes me a terrible person. You don't even hide your contempt, you only believe things I write where I admit fault, but give 0 credence to my complaints, you are a particularly nasty individual and I really don't want to have anything more to do with you. k, thanks, bye xx
: I'm against flaming no matter how pissed you are - the best way to solve the issue is just to mute everyone at the beginning of the game if it is such a big issue. Harrassing others will lead to the targeted person performing worse and nothing good will come to it - I can admit that I've gotten some pretty toxic messages both in-game and people adding me after games and saying things like "Go hang your worthless self" <-- that actually happened - but all I do is just ignore em / report them.
I don't disagree with you per se, I actually think it's an admirable trait of people to walk away without saying anything. However, I don't agree that it is reasonable to expect everyone should act in that manner. Absolutely we should all walk away, if someone punches you IRL, given the opportunity to walk away you should take it and report it later on, however, no amount of being told fighting back will only make things worse is going to make me think that turning around and giving back what you are given is unjust or unfair. Yes absolutely given the opportunity you should mute and move on, but like in the example above, I had a guy tell me to kill myself and I cannot see any form of punishment that has been given to that player, for the system to work the system has to be transparent which it isn't. If you are someone who has no faith in the system your only kartharsis for being told horrible things is to type back because otherwise you will be constantly abused and will have to take it on faith that riot might do something about it. Which is why I came here to complain about being told to kill myself.
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=000200000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-15T09:58:01.882+0000) > > I think being told you suck is very different to telling someone to kill themselves, replace your example with the N word and I think you would be hard pressed to justify not blanket banning the term, %%% surely falls closer to hate speech than an innocent jape and I'm not super keen on down playing it. Being told you suck 20 times in a row is not the same as being told to %%% 20 times in a row. > > Sure people might get caught saying what does %%% mean, but surely you can manually review and say, oh he was with his friend and joking, or he was genuinely asking what %%% meant, but by giving people a free pass, or having an attitude of people being told to kill themselves is not in itself suspension/ban worthy I think it is a dangerous precedent, I am somewhat disappointed because I am really f**king tired if being told to kill myself in this game and I had hoped when I got suspended it was a highlight of riot engaging in a 0 tolerance policy. > > As I said, looking at the worst case scenario, which is the one that usually leads to severe outcomes, it's not outside of the realms of possibility that a teenager could be bullied into suicide with repeat calls for their death with no-one being given a punishment from riot for their behaviour, thank you for giving me some some of your time insight into the process, even if I find it disappointing it's nice to have some understanding of the mechanics behind a system that otherwise feels unscruitable. I'm always happy to discuss the weird edge cases with people - at no point have we ever said our systems are perfect, nor are we going to claim they are. %%% is one of those "seriously, don't say it" words on our end, and it is very much up there alongside the N word like you mentioned. I'd say the behaviour is probably the same in that if you said it a single time without any other context, you *probably* wouldn't get an instant suspension. It may result in a chat suspension, or just a really, really heavy "any more bad behaviour and you're in trouble" weighting as with %%%. As mentioned also, if you feel super strongly that whatever they said should be looked into deeper, you can submit a ticket to support. It's generally easier to retroactively punish someone than to not punish them, because punishment feels super bad - it may take a day or two during busy periods for support to review false bans, which means a day or two of no gameplay for an innocent player. Conversely, a day or two to read a report means they play an extra day or two that they normally wouldn't, but it feels much less bad in regards to punishment.
Yeah my only issue with this is Riot can always reverse a ban, I know it feels super bad and puts more load on riot support staff, but surely punishing people who promote self harm and then reversing it in cases of false positives is more beneficial than potentially letting people off the hook for telling 15 year olds to kill themselves? I almost never see antisemitic, or racial slurs on the platform, I assume because the tolerance is not there for that behaviour, my only question is therefore why does Riot not put inciting self harm and inciting racism on the same pedestal? Or am I just getting a bad sample and they are treated exactly the same?
Shamose (EUW)
: My main account had been clean since it was made in season 2, no punishments gotten, not even leaverbuster. And the first %%% I dropped got me 14 day banned. I didn't spam it, there were 3 total lines in my chat log from 1 game. 2 sentences about someones positioning in game, and one %%% in the post game lobby. That got me banned. But people writing long insults at me telling me and my family deserve to die are still playing. The list of unpunished people keeps growing. While people that drop one %%% as a retalliation are getting instant 14-day banned.
This is my problem, you see this bs online so often, and it normalises it, you are literally getting told %%% or this and that about your family so often, and you report these people and so often you see them slip through the cracks. Then you are put in a bs situation and then you mirror the behaviour you see 24/7 and you are the guy who gets punished for it. It's fine for there to be a system in place the hits people who say things like %%%, but it should feel consistent and I don't fully appreciate the, we give people the benefit of the doubt response of the rioter, but I guess that's the system.
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T09:17:26.580+0000) > > Okay so saying %%% in chat won't get you banned, but riot will think about it in future. > > So if a player gets a bit of bad luck and gets told ten games in a row to kill themselves for picking their new favourite cat, riot will definitely consider possibly punishing those players, but while those players are now on riots naughty list there is potentially a 15 year old being told repeatedly to kill themself over and over, and when that person hits their report button they get no notification of "Hey those guys were assholes you keep being your katty self" just a sense that life continues and if you want to be on the league platform you'll deal with it. > > Extreme example I know, but not beyond the realms of possibility, I know you haven't investigated this/have no personal knowledge, however I can say without typing in chat I was essentially told "hey guys let's dodge" "this yuumi omfg" "Hey Yuumi %%%" after this I called him a piece of shit. (Negative behaviour I know pls dont ban me but just for full disclosure.) > > I am okay with being banned for saying %%% in chat, because actually, you know what, teenagers play this game and suicide is horrific, I just don't understand why riot doesn't have a blanket ban on telling people to kill themselves. Unless it is 100% a joke made to a friend, I would like to see riot step up to the mark, surely the 14 day suspension is the warning for typing %%%? Again the systems have a limited amount of tolerance built in. For example it would really suck (plus add a bunch of false positives) to ban someone for saying "What does %%% mean?" who genuinely doesn't know. It's very unlikely you ask that question 2 times, or 3 times. It's very possible that your example could manifest with a serious amount of bad luck - while it absolutely is not a pleasant experience for that one player, other players should not be punished because of what previous players said. A less extreme example, if 20 people in a row tell you you suck at the game and should uninstall - that's gonna feel pretty bad. Should the 20th person get a punishment for that because 19 entirely different people said the same thing? Especially if that player has never had a single mark against them, it would feel pretty bad. Saying %%% in any form is going to put you riskily close to suspension - but it doesn't always instantly manifest in that. As mentioned we have a support team who can manually investigate and make calls, but the main purpose for an element of flexibility is to prevent being overzealous in suspensions for cases like I mentioned - the mere mention of zero tolerance words would result in an instant suspension, resulting in a lot of people being suspended for genuine questions like "what does %%% mean?"
I think being told you suck is very different to telling someone to kill themselves, replace your example with the N word and I think you would be hard pressed to justify not blanket banning the term, %%% surely falls closer to hate speech than an innocent jape and I'm not super keen on down playing it. Being told you suck 20 times in a row is not the same as being told to %%% 20 times in a row. Sure people might get caught saying what does %%% mean, but surely you can manually review and say, oh he was with his friend and joking, or he was genuinely asking what %%% meant, but by giving people a free pass, or having an attitude of people being told to kill themselves is not in itself suspension/ban worthy I think it is a dangerous precedent, I am somewhat disappointed because I am really f**king tired if being told to kill myself in this game and I had hoped when I got suspended it was a highlight of riot engaging in a 0 tolerance policy. As I said, looking at the worst case scenario, which is the one that usually leads to severe outcomes, it's not outside of the realms of possibility that a teenager could be bullied into suicide with repeat calls for their death with no-one being given a punishment from riot for their behaviour, thank you for giving me some some of your time insight into the process, even if I find it disappointing it's nice to have some understanding of the mechanics behind a system that otherwise feels unscruitable.
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-15T08:35:30.044+0000) > > Look buddy I get that you are an agitator, that you want to go around on the internet telling people they are full of bullshit then complain about swearing and a lack of evidence, if you don't believe me then fine, I clearly came here for no reason to arbitrarily claim that I was verbally harassed for no reason. In fact, I love being told by some asshole on a forum that I deserve to be told to kill myself. > > No-one gets a 14 day insta ban for a lot more than what I'm fessing up to? I typed %%% in chat, I deserved a 14 day ban, I'm not here to complain about it, I just want that punishment to be applied fairly. > > Having someone speculate that I deserve to be told kill myself and that person shouldn't suffer any represcussing is crap, forgive me for muting you but you do seem like a pathetic person. I'm not an agitator, I'm just pointing out that without some form of evidence and or information, when you say "X happened to me", its on it's best day hearsay and given the circumstances you described, the punishment system would not have given you a 14 day ban which makes what your telling us (or not telling us) suspect at best. For the record I never at any point said that you deserved to be told to go kill yourself, I find that kind of language and conversation offensive and at no point did I swear at you, so I don't know why you are calling me an A-Hole. Which by the way, is against the policy on this forum as it is in game, so clearly you have a problem staying out of trouble.
Yes you aren't an agitator, but when someone complains about being told to kill themselves your first response is "Ok let's have some truth here because your story doesn't add up." then go on to say, unless you can evidence everything you are saying we should ignore you. If someone told you to %%% and you told someone I can't believe X told me to kill myself and got away scot free, would you appreciate someone saying, well aren't you a big ol'liar? Hell, you only have my word that I was banned for 14 days, but you are happy to believe that, if nothing else. > For the record I never at any point said that you deserved to be told to go kill yourself Well you are sure as hell doing a bang up job of defending someone's right to do so.
Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-05-15T08:53:41.512+0000) > > So players who say k y s in chat won't get banned provided they didn't really mean it? Not necessarily, but it may not instantly trigger a suspension if you've literally never done anything before, or after, to trigger a punishment. To give some really extreme comparisons, saying "lol you picked yuumi %%% :P" and never saying anything bad again probably won't be picked up as harshly as spamming "%%% you piece of %%%%" repeatedly. That's not to say it will go unnoticed, it will almost certainly count against future punishments even in the first instance.
Okay so saying %%% in chat won't get you banned, but riot will think about it in future. So if a player gets a bit of bad luck and gets told ten games in a row to kill themselves for picking their new favourite cat, riot will definitely consider possibly punishing those players, but while those players are now on riots naughty list there is potentially a 15 year old being told repeatedly to kill themself over and over, and when that person hits their report button they get no notification of "Hey those guys were assholes you keep being your katty self" just a sense that life continues and if you want to be on the league platform you'll deal with it. Extreme example I know, but not beyond the realms of possibility, I know you haven't investigated this/have no personal knowledge, however I can say without typing in chat I was essentially told "hey guys let's dodge" "this yuumi omfg" "Hey Yuumi %%%" after this I called him a piece of shit. (Negative behaviour I know pls dont ban me but just for full disclosure.) I am okay with being banned for saying %%% in chat, because actually, you know what, teenagers play this game and suicide is horrific, I just don't understand why riot doesn't have a blanket ban on telling people to kill themselves. Unless it is 100% a joke made to a friend, I would like to see riot step up to the mark, surely the 14 day suspension is the warning for typing %%%?
Eambo (EUW)
: There are different factors taken into consideration, including overall how aggressive or offensive you were. Saying it once isn't the same as spamming it, or saying it amongst other things. Generally speaking, people rarely just say %%% once and are pleasant otherwise. That in itself may not earn you a suspension (but would definitely be a big mark against your account for future offenses). On the flipside, if you spam it or say it repeatedly or with other offensive phrases, it would trigger a suspension. I'm not sure if this helps clear this particular case up any (I haven't actually looked at it), but if that's the only thing the player said that might explain it. (And is also pretty strange behaviour)
So players who say k y s in chat won't get banned provided they didn't really mean it?
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-05-15T08:01:32.485+0000) > > 1. Nope, no chat ban, insta 14 days no warning no nothing "so let's have some truth here". > > 2. Not a repeat offender, I think a year or two ago I got a, hey improve your behaviour tsk tsk, message come up. > > 3. If I might respond to your go %%%%yourself message with positive vibes despite the fact you are totally full of it yourself :) > > The only statement about reporting is that if you false report it lessens the impact of your report. I don't report teammates when they have a bad game, I don't report a teammate for getting stressed out when having a bad game unless they start making targeted harassment of other players. m8 I simply don't believe, no offense but if your going to try and BS people, there is no point in having a conversation about how you can avoid a perma ban, which by the way is almost certain for you if your in denial. I mean your swearing in a public forum, you really expect anyone to believe that your not toxic? No one EVER gets a 14 day insta ban unless they said a lot more than what your fessing up to, it just doesn't happen and spreading that sort of fallacy isn't really going to help your cause.
Look buddy I get that you are an agitator, that you want to go around on the internet telling people they are full of bullshit then complain about swearing and a lack of evidence, if you don't believe me then fine, I clearly came here for no reason to arbitrarily claim that I was verbally harassed for no reason. In fact, I love being told by some asshole on a forum that I deserve to be told to kill myself. No-one gets a 14 day insta ban for a lot more than what I'm fessing up to? I typed %%% in chat, I deserved a 14 day ban, I'm not here to complain about it, I just want that punishment to be applied fairly. Having someone speculate that I deserve to be told kill myself and that person shouldn't suffer any represcussing is crap, forgive me for muting you but you do seem like a pathetic person.
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=J77Zj0s1,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-05-15T08:07:10.386+0000) > > Bring back tribunal, at least mob justice was subject to scrutiny. I personally liked the Tribunal because it made public the chat log which we would discuss. I mean in this conversation we have only your word on the matter. You have shown no evidence yet are claiming you did nothing wrong and the system is arbitrary. The Tribunal was at least positive in the sense that players could see the whole chat log and have discussion that didn't amount to "I promise I'm telling the truth". Ever since the tribunal was removed, everytime someone comes on here and posts their "Chat Log", the entire reporting system appears suspect, but of course we know that the vast majority of people posting the chat logs are altering them before they post them. Which is why the system appears arbitrary here. People come on here everyday and are like "hey look at my chat log, I did nothing wrong" and everyone just nods "yeah the system is broken". It's not broken, people are just full of it.
I claim I picked yuumi in ranked and was instantly told to kill myself. To which your response was, hey you are full of shit and are a liar and it was justified because that guys hasn't before. I'm telling you I have had one game where I typed %%% and got banned for it, instantly no warning no nothing. I can tell you how I think it works, which is riot system is automated. If you are having a bad day get a lot of losses and the reports start flying the system is going to flag you for being on the upper end of the bell curve, at which point a random sample will get sent to the player support team who will be given a list of what to ban for and what not to ban for. If they see k ys in chat they will insta-ban you, however typing k ys in chat will not flag you only reports will, reduces the amount of input going to riot and they are only interested in those who are getting a higher than normal amount of reports, but these are almost always subject to people just reporting you for having bad games, and people reporting you for getting into an argument with other players, which is why the support staff say you should not say anything and stay quiet even if someone verbally harasses you, which is %%%%ing unfair, but otherwise they use it to justify you getting banned for being on the receiving end of someone's hate. Sure X was being total %%%% to you for no reason, but they do it only now and then, so they get to tell you to kill yourself. However, if you are having a bad day and are on a loss streak and can't quite hold your tongue when your adc picks veigar, or have the nerve to tell someone who is talking about killing your mother that they can go %%%% themselves, you better be ready for the ban hammer.
: that's actually a stupid statement. don't get me wrong, they WANT you to believe what you just said buuuuut...i got a 10 games chat restriction for calling my jungler "moron" once as he was farming raptors and waited for me to die to then jump in the middle of an enemy push and dying too (i understand i might be hostile to him but even the rioter only pulled out the "moron" in my ticket so i assume that's the offending part). i only got one chatlog for that, while everyone knows that people get up to 3 chatlogs worth of insults when they make those "unban me" posts. so, i wrote a ticket, the rioter dismissed me with "if you break the rules NO MATTER IF YOU GET REPORTED ONCE OR A HUNDRED TIMES you get the punishment" and "ONE report in ONE game is enough for the punishment". now, i want to add that i too met people who told me to "take a break from life" and i reported them...lo and behold, they are still around, they didn't even get a 14 days suspension as they kept playing after the report and, IF ME CALLING SOMEONE A MORON GAVE ME MY PUNISHMENT THE MOMENT I STEPPED OUT OF THE GAME, i see no reason why THEIR punishment couldn't be as quick as mine. oh, and before you ask, YES i was a first offender, only one chatlog from someone who got honor 5 every season since the honor rework and often was deemed the "most honorable" so, yeah, Riot is full of BS. So, i think i know how this thing works now. the bot does something more than checking your chatlog, it checks your PURCHASE HISTORY.if the reported player spends more than a set amount of money in x months, he will either get a lighter punishment or none at all, simple as that. If this isn't the case then, please, explain to me why there are so many differences in the bans? was me calling a guy a moron equal to THREE GAMES OF HEAVY INSULTS? was the "moron" more offensive than the "kay way es"? until riot gives us PRECISE explainations on why in the nine hells the reports are so flunky, i'll stick to my "THE GUY GIVES US MONEY, LEAVE HIM BE" theory.
Bring back tribunal, at least mob justice was subject to scrutiny.
: Ok lets have some truth here because your story does not add up. 1. You didn't get a 14 day suspension first, you got a chat ban first right? Yeah, I would bet my house on it. 2. You are most likely a repeat offender unless your toxicity was out of this world bad. Telling someone to go F themselves isn't going to get you banned until you do it a lot and get multiple reports and even then you get chat banned as a warning. 3. Which brings us to "the other guy". Now most likely he didn't get banned because you reported him for three likely reason. First, he might not be a repeat offender so a single report will do nothing. Second, he might have gotten chat restricted which would not prevent him from playing and third, since you are a toxic player and got a 14 day ban, I'm going to go ahead and guess your totally full of it. It used to be (and might still be) that when players with poor reputations on their account report, its less effective or not effective at all when they do reporting. Another words, if your account is in poor standing, your reports might not have any weight against someone else. This is how the system used to work and I have never seen RIOT come out and say otherwise, I could be wrong.
1. Nope, no chat ban, insta 14 days no warning no nothing "so let's have some truth here". 2. Not a repeat offender, I think a year or two ago I got a, hey improve your behaviour tsk tsk, message come up. 3. If I might respond to your go %%%%yourself message with positive vibes despite the fact you are totally full of it yourself :) The only statement about reporting is that if you false report it lessens the impact of your report. I don't report teammates when they have a bad game, I don't report a teammate for getting stressed out when having a bad game unless they start making targeted harassment of other players. A system by which people who accurately identify toxic behaviors are ignored because they are seen to not be in good standing is bad design and leads to exponential punishments of toxic players and exponential being let off the hook for players who have accrued enough honor. The fact you believe this is the case doesn't make it so, no more than believing in Godzilla makes downtown Tokyo destroyed, even if riot has never publicly denied Godzilla is alive and well.
  Rioter Comments
: Riot should improve their banning system
If you aren't going to troll or afk a game then this system actually works in your favour. As someone who doesn't troll you have a 5/9 chance that if only one person trolls in the game, it is going to be on the opposite team. There's no need to compensate you as you are going to get a free win 1/9 times.
: Support Players
Probably late to the party, but here's the scoop on supports. As others have mentioned there are generally three categories (god knows about the guy who said there are 7ish) 1) your E-Girl champs {{champion:267}} {{champion:117}} {{champion:16}} {{champion:40}} These are very much the champions that you will get flak for playing, despite that they are some of the more challenging supports to play. What makes these champs very powerful is that they provide buffs for their team and can pick up very fancy items giving you potentially 5/6 actives to play with. You build a selection of these items as a priority {{item:3504}} {{item:3222}} {{item:3107}} Rushing a michaels early can insta win teamfights, you watch as an Ashe arrow gets insta cleansed and your adc gets move speed and is immune to slows this nullifies cc carries like Ashe Lissandra etc. Ardent as a generic good pick up (adc dependent), more dps for your dps! Then there's redemption, rush early if you have low survivability/losing lane to give you better sustain to scrape through laning phase, or build later on to take advantage of the heal/shield bonus given by ardents and michaels. Then there's your situational picks, Speed up and slow downs to compensate your teams lack of engage{{item:3905}} {{item:2065}} More survivability for yourself and your carry if you are getting insta bursted before you or your carry can react {{item:3190}} {{item:3109}} {{item:3174}} More AP, works really well on eg soraka to give you more sustain and helps you fight through an enemy's executioners etc{{item:3041}} {{item:3089}} And the thing you must always buy all the time {{item:2055}} The thing with these champs is it's hard to walk alone, enemy assassins will burst you instantly, but your insane healing and shielding makes you priority 1 instead of the carry who has 10x the gold you have, by positioning correctly you will win games by forcing assassin's to get slogged by your team mates trying to get at you, then turning the tables on the enemy's tanks/carrys who are unable to mow their way through the sustain you provide. The versatility of eGirls is that they can pick and choose a thousand different options to help your team winn, and fix any weakness of your team, and you end up with an arsenal of actives that you need to hold until the right moment to win the game, but people call you unskilled while playing press all the buttons xin zhao. (Might finish this off later if anyone is interested)
Zanador (EUNE)
: Veigar has been recently played by the pros on the bot position, so that's where this guy got the idea. He probably didn't mean to troll, but there is still a case to be made against first timing such a strategy in ranked.
Don't get me wrong, if he had communicated his intent in pre-game I could have adjusted. However seeing it for the first time played in ranked by someone first timing it in ranked, followed by a dc so early on in the game just broke me a little bit.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: and what points do you have? i told you how to deal with ppl like that, IGNORE them, if they really troll and not just playing a very off-meta champ then report them after the game and go for the next game 1 game does not mean anything, you lose 16 lp? and? on the next one you win just as much, if its normal then its even less impact
Every reply you've made is just hostile af, so no, I'm not engaging with you
: > [{quoted}](name=RetroMagpie,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EnfgJGtZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-19T21:04:17.628+0000) > > However, how do you deal with players, particularly when you are playing adc & support who pick super off meta with no warning? You don't because people can play whatever they like. BTW, you didn't tell us how the game went. I have played against a bunch of Veigar bot before and if you don't get ganks, its will become *really* hard, especially post 6. I think the issue are people and the fixation on meta. If he played poorly and fed like hell, you are right to be angry, I would be too, no question. Did he play decently? Then what's the problem? And as someone pointed out, mastery doesn't mean jack. I had a Yi a couple games back who went literally 0/xx/0 and he was easily over 300k. A couple games before that I hav a Kha Zix with 0 (zero) mastery who went something like 16/2/15. Games are so smurf infested you never know. With all that being said, Veigar bot is nothing strange at all. Maybe for the future, take a chill pill and giv people the benefit of the doubt. If they go 0/3 @5 they probably don't play any better with other champs.
I ended up going 4/3/4, veigar ended up going 2/8/2. Please don't misunderstand me, re-reading this I appreciate I haven't given full context, I don't usually care if someone goes off meta (well if they go off meta and %%%% up that annoys me), The champion select was essentially the adc as last pick showing intent to play MF, I'm looking at rune page until the time bell dings, then suddenly with no warning from pre game chat/pregame lock they've switched to veigar. Then when they do get to game, they dc after 30s and I was just feeling my heart sink in my chest knowing I've now got to go to lane and lose a 2v1 and I was beyond tilted. Though some great advice in this thread of just don't get tilted bro is super helpful. I just want people to communicate if they go off meta (at least showing your intent), and I don't think I've felt quite such a fugue state of "well %%%%" come over me before.
: In my honest opinion, if a teammate is trying their best to win that should be enough. This player was first timing in ranked and went afk for 5 minutes but it seems his champion choice angers you more... I remember back in the day when Annie was starting to be played as a support, I tried her a few games and there was one where right in champion select a player flew into a rage accusing me of trolling, insulting me, asking others to report me and actually trolling himself because "Annie wasn't a support". Soon she became meta and I could play her without people flaming... Last season I mained Poppy support and I managed to get up to Diamond IV, but unlike the Annie example there isn't a lot pros playing her. She's not "meta". Poppy support is a bit strange so If I played with you and we lost, would you make a thread like this one? Would you call me a troll, insult me or ask others to report me? A lot of people does, especially in losing games. To the point where I have considered quitting the game. When someone tries something different or unconventional there's a tendency to use that person as a scapegoat, and I feel that is wrong. It always makes me feel bad when I read threads like these. =(
The choice would have bothered me less if they had communicated in champ select, unfortunately they got to their turn after having locked miss fortune, I was editing my rune page and then suddenly I'm playing with a veigar bot lane. Don't get me wrong if he had locked the veigar pick early, then fine I can adjust, I just set myself up for a regular game and then only found out during the load screen that actually we were going full Korean strat. I generally don't care about feeders, or people having a bad game, or even off meta, I was just super pissed off that it was a last minute switcheroo/bamboozle more than anything, then that was amped up by the dc early and it just hyper tilted me.
Tarolock (EUNE)
: and you clearly cant be bothered to read my replies either... there is NO troll pick until you see the end screen ziggs adc was considered a troll pick then they picked him in pro and everyone jumped on the wagon the same happened to mf support, even tho she was picked explicitly to counter zyra and the list goes on... this is why i said you are obsessed with him, why does it bother you what he picked? why do you care? because you lose a game? i lost games where everyone picked meta and op champs and we had a good lead
Why are you obsessed with this, just leave it, you still can't be bothered to reply to my points so no, bye xx
Tarolock (EUNE)
: and? i had ppl with 200k mastery going 0/10 without inting and i had ppl with pretty weird picks carrying the game... so i ask again, why are you obsessed with others? if you focus only on your play then you wont get tilted, you wont flame him and you wont get banned over the stupidest thing in the world
Right, I'm getting the feeling you are just going to argue whatever I write. You clearly can't be bothered to respond to a single point where I have explained how I felt and what occurred. You have a weird focus that I must be "obsessed" which I think is probably a projection of some sort, so have a good day buddy, keep downvoting xx
Tarolock (EUNE)
: why is everyone so obsessed with others? why cant you focus on our OWN game? who cares that he plays veigar, if you can play your OWN champ then you can win the lane or go even with them....
I sort of addressed this with (feels like you are being asked to sit in a lane and lose while someone else is playtesting a build?) I went to lane, and didn't int, or start throwing myself at the enemy. I had reasonable stats at the end of game, I just felt tilted/awful because the veigar went ended up going 2/8/2. Maybe my attitude was shitty and that's partly why, but I just felt so hard countered from the gate, I played around it but as I've said, I feel as if I've been asked to watch someone play test a build while we get stomped and it is disheartening to say the least. Edit: I ended up going 4/3/4 but there's some a lot of anti synergy with picking veigar with blitzcrank in that, if he puts his stun down a blitz grab can get blocked as the veigar stun interrupts your grab, I'd have changed my support if I was given the chance but the guy went from hovering MF to picking veigar in the final pick/ban phase.
Rioter Comments
GLurch (EUW)
: Let's view it from a different point of view: What exactly would be the difference between you and your Shaco support or the enemy who flamed you if you were to just flame back? There would be no difference, you'd just join their cycle and others would only perceive you as another toxic teammate, just like your Shaco support or the flaming enemy. That's also why you'd end up getting punished, just like the Shaco support who went afk will get a leaverbuster, or the toxic enemy team would end up getting first a 10 games chat restriction and if they continued a 25 games chat restriction, a 14 day ban and in the end, if they are still toxic, a permanent ban. You aren't expected to "respect your haters and bullies", but to handle it professionally and instead of seeking personal revenge, staying calm and reporting them to the proper authorities, in this case, Riot Games. You don't have to respect them, you only need to stay quiet and keep calm.
> You aren't expected to "respect your haters and bullies", but to handle it professionally I mean, it's a video game, we aren't all going to play in e-sports one day, I think this kind of a weird mentality to have towards the community to be honest :/
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Hydnoras (EUW)
: >And as i said before, if Riot gets interested in this thread, which i hope, they surely got tools to check those logs. I dont have to involve third persons in this case. But what does it help if a rioter sees this post? Rioters that are on the forum are not going to do anything about it. Sure, they can see your logs but they are not allowed to do anything. They are not the rioters who are working on player behavior. Rioters here are helping players with network problems. They will not touch anyone's punishments, mainly because they have no right to do so. Also why wait a long time for an answer from riot when you can get an answer from the community in a few minutes. And the answer will be the same. No one here is going to call you toxic if you are not showing any toxicity in your chat logs. I understand if you want to keep your logs as private. I'm just saying that it makes it look like even you don't believe in your innocence. After all, if you did, you would definitely show us your logs and scream how riot is banning players for no reason. That's just how human mind works.
Pretty sure rioters on the forum can/do pass things on to the player behaviour team, although it is a long way to go about it when you can just send a ticket in.
deVulse (EUNE)
: Does it even matter if ill send chat logs to you guys? It wont change anything, riot will not read it, they dont dont care about yours neither mine opinion. Its all pointless. I've got banned once for 2 weeks true. But the point is that i was aware of that and i really was much MUCH less offensive than before. Before i used to say "get cancer" etc. And now? All i said is something like "you're stupid" or Im giving up gonna afk farm till we loose. WHILE IN FACT I PLAYED 100% and managed to take few kills and save my teammates more than ONCE. See the thing is that system does not take into account what really happened. I got banned for things that i said i will do, but i didnt do. Its pointless. Its all pointless. Bye bye deVulse best Jarvan player in the world, always in my heart. BibleThump
I think if you are saying the ban was undeserved and you weren't being that bad, but then saying you won't show the chat log, you are probably being disingenuous. If it wasn't that bad, you'll change a lot of people's minds and might catch a rioters attention by showing the chat logs. However if you were a toxic asshole and the chat log proves it, what are you trying to accomplish? You make other people who play the game feel like shit to boost your own ego, you've probably led directly or indirectly to others stopping playing the game, that costs riot money. Not to mention people play games to feel less stressed, and those other people who have shit going on irl, you made them feel crappy, am I meant to feel bad for you? So I would say I feel bad you wasted your cash, but on the other hand, you're an asshole so, I really won't miss you. Or maybe the ban was undeserved, in which case please prove me wrong, show the chat logs.
: Dude im a Syndra main, I know that she is a one shot burst but c'mon take my point at least. Sona is a support that could use less dmg on the Q and maybe focus more on the heals and the MS they can get as a group, then I at least woulnt say that Sona is "broken" but more of an stronger healing support rather than a insane dmg dealer in the bottom lane, I mean dealing more dmg than her ADC before the core items is ridiculous as I said there is no hate towards the champion I do like Sona as a support, I like the strong heals and the good MS engage with a nice (5man) stun with her ulti. it's just the overall dmg she have that I find annoying other than that I like her alot and I like the fact that she is a strong support if u ignore the dmg part, I mean I have no trouble killing Sona with Syndra, Orianna and so on. But I mean that when I play as an support or an ADC and match up with a Sona she deals over double the dmg than her ADC would do with IE (eks. dont worry im not here to exaggerate).
Well if I'm not wrong, they nerfed sonas healing ages back, and balanced her around having the Q damage. She then no longer became an overhealing ultra passive support, but one that has to continuously poke and take risks in lane in order to succeed, taking away her damage and putting it into healing creates a big laning problem, taking the damage and putting it into movement speed makes her pretty much non-viable. I'd say maybe the numbers need to be tweaked, but as I've said, there's very little to evidence that damage Sona is broken, I believe the Sona damage build is around 50% win rate, with the healing/shield build buffing that up. In fact if you put power into healing, she'd be incredibly powerful atm. All champions can be damage dealers, but Sona is a mediocre burst champ, who only excels by snowballing, and I'll admit when she rushes a sheen in lane it can be hard to deal with, but ultimately that's a very ineffective build compared to other champs designed around being burst damage dealers.
: I was banned for intentionally feeding, but I just bad a really bad game.
Any chance you have lodged a complaint against your ban, and if so have you received any feedback yet? Really interested as this ban, like many others have said, seems like total BS.
: Nerf te ap scaling so ppl stop buying full ap items such as lich, deathcap And so on. Just support items, i mean I like sona as a champion but I dont like that insane ap scaling as a support she deals more dmg than Syndra And the other burst champions out there
Okay this is just bollocks. Sona, POWER CHORD: basic attack deals DAMAGE: 15 - 235 (based on level) (+ 20% AP) bonus magic damage Hymn of Valor: MAGIC DAMAGE: 40 / 70 / 100 / 130 / 160 (+ 50% AP) Hymn of Valor AA bonus: BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE: 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 20% AP) STACCATO: Power Chord: 「 40% bonus 」 damage. Crescendo: MAGIC DAMAGE: 150 / 250 / 350 (+ 50% AP) Lich Bane: 75% base AD (+ 50% AP) bonus magic damage So at lvl 7/12/18 (lvl 7 To make this easier will assume Q is maxed at lvl 7 I know it can't but w/e) Power chord + Hymn +Hymn AA+ Staccato+ Crescendo + Lich Bane + AD Lvl 7 65+160+60+26+150+65 with 190% ap scaling. = 526 +(190% ap scaling) + (75% base AD) Lvl 12 145+160+60+58+250+80 with 190% ap scaling. = 753 +(190% ap scaling) + (75% base AD) Lvl 18 235+160+60+94+350+101 with 190% ap scaling = 1000 +(190% ap scaling) + (75% base AD) Syndra: Assume we Max in priority R>Q>W>E Dark Sphere MAGIC DAMAGE: 50 / 95 / 140 / 185 / 230 (+ 65% AP) Force of Will MAGIC DAMAGE: 70 / 110 / 150 / 190 / 230 (+ 70% AP) Transcendence Force of will DAMAGE: Bonus True Damage 20% Scatter the Weak MAGIC DAMAGE: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+ 60% AP) Unleashed Power MAGIC DAMAGE PER SPHERE: 90 / 135 / 180 (+ 20% AP) (Min damage multiply by 3 Max damage by 7) So at lvl 7/12/18 Lvl 7 185+70+70+ 270 up to 630 with 215% AP scaling = 595-955 with 215% ap scaling Lvl 12 230+190+70+405 up to 945 with 215% AP scaling =895-1435 with 215% ap scaling Lvl 18 230+230+ 46 True Damage+ 250 + 540 up to 1260 with 215% ap scaling and a 14% True Damage scaling off of ap = 1296- 2016 with 215% ap scaling, and 14% true damage based off of ap. At all three levels, Syndra has higher base damage and higher scalings without having to AA or be in AA Range, and that's assuming she uses her ult in the worst possible way, even assuming that Sona has acquired a Lich bane at lvl 7. At Syndra's max, she more than doubles the damage of Sona and has higher scalings. Don't talk shit about Sona having more burst than Syndra please.
: Dude the only thing Sona needs to do against Katarina is just R Q And AA and shes dead no question she burst Katarina down faster than the other way in early-mid game
Yes, but all kata has to do is dagger shunpo ult and sona is dead. If you build full damage, you do damage, however you no longer have a support build. If kata, who won't be obligated to buy a sightstone, buys a banshee. Sona will be rendered unable to deal with her, and she will os her all day long. Sona isn't particularly op. The build that is seeing success is the one with ardent censer, because she can proc it on her whole team quite easily. Damage Sona is high risk high reward, but completely non-viable vs tanks and bruisers. If the enemy team is made entirely of damage dealers without a single banshees, she can do extremely well. Otherwise she's a very standard burst damage dealer, but there other champions out there that outscale her at doing crazy burst, e.g. annie fizz and katarina off the top of my head.
: About Sona
So lemme get this straight, when a support takes all damage items, they do damage. STOP THE PRESSES RITO MUST KNOW ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!! Literally the only reason for sonas win rate atm is the shield build works ridiculously well with ardent mikaels etc etc. Once they pull some of the stats out of ardent she will go back to her mediocre win rate and we can all complain about, I dunno, katarina?
: the problem is..... when you give more than 1 kill you dont try to outplay dude you hug your turret and try to only farm. it would be better to leave your lane entirely and go help another lane than give 13 kills when contributing in 0. for the whole game there wasnt an opportunity to get even 1 assist and you were dying every couple of minutes not under your turret. as it seems to me even if i wasnt in that game.... what happened. he outplayed you you got a bit mad and tried to outplay him then you got tilted and started dying again and again when he got your turret he started roaming helping his team and maybe even getting more kills? while you stayed entirely passive just farming top and you didnt engange in any fight heck the 0-13-0. sorry but i were your teammate i would report you too dude i mean maybe theres a slight chance you didnt do it on purpose but i highly doubt it. i believe that you wanted to win but i think you got tilted from losing the lane and lost your control or something
TBH, you are saying that poor decision making is inting, it's not. Dude tried to outplay when he should have played more defensive, but by that metric, every top laner in league should be banned. If you are one of those players that would have reported this guy, you are an asshole who's misusing the ban system.
Rioter Comments
GLurch (EUW)
: Is there even a way to tell if a champion is op or not so shortly after his release? Most people may still not be fully used to him and there may still not be a lot of countermechanics discovered, so I doubt you can judge him. When Riot buffs or nerfs champions, they normally do so because they watched players play those champions, had testers try them out and looked at a lot of feedback. Whenever they do a nerf or buff, I trust them that it was actually needed to achieve what Riot wants to achieve with it. It may be that currently Rakan is going into a whole other direction than Riot wants him to be. Maybe they even wanted him to be a beginner-friendly Support.
I think there are ways to check how healthy a champion is on release. These range from tests done on the pbe before release, looking at feedback from pro players/ PBE players. Also looking at data when riot analytics after a few days (sites like op.gg, lolalytics, lolking) then there's just playing the game as/against these champions to get a personal feel for where you would place the champ. We're not talking about definitive nerfs/buffs and these are likely just the initial test settings and I would expect riot to tweak and adjust as they get feedback from sources such as this. I remember them testing alistar changes a while back which were intended to see where they could nerf him into total non-playability. So what is currently on PBE isn't set in stone. I totally agree with you that the balance team might not like the state where Rakan is right now, I think Riot Meddler recently mentioned that they were hesitant to buff Rakan because they felt there was a big discrepancy between Rakan played right and Rakan played poorly _On Rakan, Meddler replied: "Quote: Do you plan any change on Rakan ? He seems kinda weak atm We don't have any changes planned right for for Rakan or Xayah. Rakan's got some learning curve to him, and when he screws up it's painful and obvious, which means he can look weak. We've seen him be really effective as well though when played well, so if anything would be more cautious of him being too strong than weak. We'll see where they sit after mid-season lands."_ -http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/04/red-post-collection-meddler-gameplay_28.html However in a more recent statement Meddler also put out that Riot feels this is a power neutral change to Rakan. I don't have a PBE account so I can only speculate, however having played a number of Rakan games on live, my intuition says this hurts Rakan more than it supports him. Riot isn't infallible, which is why the PBE exists, and I believe that discussions we the player base create on forums can end up giving valuable direction and feedback to a testing team that have a lot to test. So it's quite likely that Rakan isn't where Riot wants him to be, however my gut feeling after doing my own rushed analysis, is that this is probably too heavy handed and puts more power into places which in my opinion, could create unhealthy gameplay, or lower Rakans already low win rate. I worry about his win rate because over the last patch we saw Rakans win rate plateau at 46% which suggests it isn't going to get better, particularly as his play rate declines, suggesting that the initial surge of, first time players are leaving him, and only those with experience of Rakan are continuing to play him.
: I'm the bestest at rakan annnd youuze nerfzing mah chaaampppiiioooon
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Febos (EUW)
: For you to have 860+ armour as Sejuani, you'd need at least 380 total Armour. If you have 380 total armour, you are doing something wrong. Increasing armour has diminishing returns. You shouldn't have more than ~200 total armour. ######Assume that, on average, every champion has 85 base armour at level 18. Deadman + Tabi + 9 armour from Runes + base armour = 174 total armour. Basically, you shouldn't have more than 2 armour items at any point.
Just a small counterpoint to this is that despite diminishing returns, some champions/items have ratios with additional armour, and if you are in a game vs an all ad comp, the scaling from a thornmail by stacking this much armour can probably wreck an attack speed based build without having to use any abilities. :P
GLurch (EUW)
: So I guess we get to see a lot of Rakan "Mains" complain when he's not even out for a month?
> [{quoted}](name=GLurch,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EYEOdobY,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-05-03T11:11:52.485+0000) > > So I guess we get to see a lot of Rakan "Mains" complain when he's not even out for a month? I think when you have a new champ released it's important to create healthy discussion as to the direction of the champion and where you think buffs and nerfs should take place in order to maintain viability on the rift. I also believe people who want to main rakan at the time of release will probably have a lot of insight into where the nerfs and buffs should be directed in order to maintain viability. However I'll probably edit the "rakan mains subreddit" line down from the top part of the post, I placed that in the discussion there to get feedback from people who are currently actively playing Rakan. I don't want this post to come across as "I'm the bestest at rakan annnd youuze nerfzing mah chaaampppiiioooon" {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
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Not xPeke (EUW)
: Unfortunately, yes it was changed. So this is most likely a bug, or she charmed you just before you E'd her. While on this topic, I've always believed that Ahri's unique interaction with her Charm, and the ability to interrupt dashes, was perfectly fine as it was, and a good counter move if used correctly. It actually made sense. I was sad to see it changed. Yes I play Ahri, no I do not main in her the slightest, just leaving my personal opinion on the change out here ^^. At the end of the day, what is more logical? Change charm and make it act like other CC's that do not interrupt dashes even though you hit them before they completed their whole dash? Or leave charm as it is and change other similar CC's like a Morg/Lux Binding (first example that came to my mind) to actually BIND someone dashing if they're hit. I'd personally go for the latter, but that's just me :p.
The Ahri charm was interrupting mid dash, though I also don't see why it would interrupt it before the hit, as binds on Leona stop her from using zenith blade, but if zenith blade was activated before it lands Leona will be rooted but dragged to the target. I think they like the Ahri charm as a "charm" instead of a bind is purely thematic reasons, even though they work in almost the same way :P
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: The randomness of that conversation kinda overwhelmed me. But what's the bug with summoner's code in the post game chat? I don't really get it.
> [{quoted}](name=sander599,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZE1QEREA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-12T13:51:58.599+0000) > > The randomness of that conversation kinda overwhelmed me. > But what's the bug with summoner's code in the post game chat? I don't really get it. I try not to treat abusive comments seriously. The issue is the guy removed from his friends list, I shut down the conversation by pressing x on the client, then while in game I'd continue to get messages from him, but when I typed /r to respond and tell him of my undying affection, the console would return an error saying the player wasn't in my friends list, meanwhile I had messages pop up in game saying, I suck or was a troll etc etc. Essentially if someone removes you from their friends list, while you are in game they can chat to you but you can't respond, admittedly it's a weird occurrence, but I'm sure it ought to work differently.
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: Dynamic Que is ruining League of Legends
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Kikö (EUW)
: Question to Riot is this how your MATCHMAKING works good?
So it turns out that your KDA is only important in first person shooters, league is an objective game that relies on teamwork, this would suggest that you need to improve in these areas. Also, you may feel these might be freak occurrences, or that you are in elo hell, check this video by gbay, it explains it really well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MTO2a7ZFcc
: This should have been punished.
Will agree that this, and a few other story's that have come up, seem to imply that riots system is being gamed by a handful of malicious players, and I hope Riot are looking into this to correct player behavior and tighten restrictions to catch those that are gaming the system. However, please block every ones name in your game, as this game is very traceable and it wouldn't be fair for people to harass the player in question.
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