Again it is a pleasure. Respect is hard to find in this community. So I am thanking alot :) > As Eclair said: "Some niche tournaments you can find on-line do have something called "fair bracket" but I wouldn't call a tourney for 5k RP total an e-sport event (even tho technically it is)." These tournaments are amateur eSport as in your Karate-ka example, while rank is not, rank is just a friendly casual game which has a ladder to give a sensation of competitive play. Sadly it is not the same thing because of these tournaments I told also part of the main tournaments. So if this game will develop as a real professional sport the must be sub and subdivision where people can play seriously without trolls etc. You say that ranked has not the mission of this but there is rank called challenger. So this means even you are in Iron 4 you are in the league and you are part of the "e-sport" even at the lowest position... There are two main problems here. 1 most people don't see like that. 2 this is also a business for Riot. So it is very hard to balance between sport and computer game... As a final word, I hope this brainstorming read by Riot People. I believe and hope that they are doing their best. Thanks again for sharing your ideas. I learned and understood a lot. :)

> I highly doubt you can reach Platinum within 115 games from the point you're currently in. Of course I cant because I didnt played for years :) . But in this system you cant go up there that fast too. because you will be playing plat player to lvl up in silver if you are constantly wining. > No. There are high rank people who play from fresh account and reach Diamond within less than 50 games. There are people who are stuck in low elo for entirety of their existence. Just look out for people with veteran badges. You can find plenty just in Silver alone. Not in this match making system... > I have no clue how did you come up to that conclusion honestly. It is basic calculus and statistic.

> No. LP gain/loss is measured based on your MMR and average MMR of players in your current division. While WR contributes to the MMR, it's not something you can use interchangeably. They simply aren't the same. One is the function of the other so they are correlated. I am not saying they are the same. I am saying they are related. It is obvious and simple. > You don't have a guaranteed win rate. 50% WR comes from the fact that once the game puts you with people around your level statistically your chance of winning is 50/50. On top of that you can sit around 50%WR but still have good LP gain (around +25 and -15). It is a guaranteed win rate. If you lose some then you will play with low ranks so you can win again. As you see in my example a Gold 4 play with Iron and Bronze then win... And he gains LP in Gold league. So him being Gold is a delusion. He is just a guy played a lot. So if the system guarantees you a %50 win chance/rate. As you play much, you will be a higher rank. Your skill only helps you to rise faster... So there are tons of 12-year-old "Yasou" players in every rank. I'm not an exceptionally good player too. You said you play 150 and become plat. I can play only 35~45 match I end up silver... So rank is directly proportional to the amount of play. (probably to a certain rank) This is simple math and anyone can calculate the number of the match he/she needs to play to be a certain rank. So this system gives you always balanced matches and lets you rise constantly. Which is fun but also if you see the pattern playing ranked loses its intent.

Thank you for your kind and informative answer. It is really a pleasure to read that. As I said to Èclair, I see that you only see this as a game and I respect that. I also respect your experience you played both ways and you say this is more fun/fair. I only don't agree with the e-sport part. If there is a sport then every level of it is a sport. It doesn't need to professional (get paid). As an example, I was a licensed Karate-ka, I have never been paid for that. But I entered some local tournament even won bronze medals (yeah there bronze too :) at least I see silver here I must be grateful :) ) My sparring partner won the European Championship. I also played as a goalkeeper. Never Paid too. But we won the local championship. I even get some MVP. :) So I say that you don't need to be faker, Caps, Messi or Bruce Lee to make a sport. This is also a solution to the problems of trolling, intentional feeding etc. I thought ranked as that but you both say it is not. So this is ok for me... But for the future of the "sport", there must be this area. Maybe the clash can offer that. Thanks again for your comment. It was really a pleasure.

First of all, thank you for your time. > Then read all of it, not just a single paragraph explaining how it deals with inflated MMR. Ranks do not matter when it comes to in-game matchmaking. They are a visual representation of your standing in the ranking ladder. They do nothing but determine your LP loss/gain and promotions. You should not be talking about divisions when you want to discuss matchmaking. They are irrelevant to the topic at hand. Of course, I read all of it. I just shared some part to keep the text short. Lp increase decreases according to your wins or losses. So matchmaking directly affects your LP. This is simple. I see that you only see this as a game and I respect that. I also respect your experience you played both ways and you say this is more fun/fair. So having a guarantee %50 win rate is nice because nobody wants alway to lose. But just a note. This makes iron bronze silver rank meaningless. Because if the system arranges %50 win rate and if you win you gain 20~25 LP and if you lose you lost 17~20 LP so becoming to silver is just related the number of the matches you play. If you have that time then you can play the game really at silver+ and gold. I hope I would have that time... One more thing: > I only don't agree with the e-sport part. If there is a sport then every level of it is a sport. It doesn't need to professional (get paid). As an example, I was a licensed Karate-ka, I have never been paid for that. But I entered some local tournament even won bronze medals (yeah there bronze too :) at least I see silver here I must be grateful :) ) My sparring partner won the European Championship. I also played as a goalkeeper. Never Paid too. But we won the local championship. I even get some MVP. :) So I say that you don't need to be faker, Caps, Messi or Bruce Lee to make a sport. This is also a solution to the problems of trolling, intentional feeding etc. I thought ranked as that but you both say it is not. So this is ok for me... But for the future of the "sport", there must be this area. Maybe the clash can offer that. Thanks again for your comment.

My friend has the same problem. I also wonder what is happening...