: Does olaf is a good champion?
Thanks for the tips. I enjoy playing olaf in jungle because I can quickly kill or steal the dragons and rift herald and sometimes baron. But every time i use him, my average death in game is around 4-8 deaths. Even if I avoid fighting or do anything, dying is envitable.
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: Inting means intentionally feeding, i.e. it's something you have to consciously try to do. Presume you mean how to avoid feeding more generally?
> [{quoted}](name=Muwatallis,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=nBirwwW9,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-11-22T11:27:19.045+0000) > > Inting means intentionally feeding, i.e. it's something you have to consciously try to do. Presume you mean how to avoid feeding more generally? Sorry my question should be how to avoid feeding without noticing it.
: stop trying to fight your opponent laner. fighting gives u nothing, only fight for objectives.
> [{quoted}](name=Kitty Cat Nap,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=nBirwwW9,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-11-22T09:48:39.607+0000) > > stop trying to fight your opponent laner. > > fighting gives u nothing, only fight for objectives. Its so difficult to get out of bronze for 6 months Even I avoid fight and take all the obhectives 4 dragons and rift herald we ens up losing and I die many times If I avoid fight they will die and blame me for not being there or not helping. If I help them we will die all together
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: I hate this game butI dont know why im play this game
I sacrifice my daily sleep time, job, health and everything to improve but still Im sucks. I try different roles play the easiest champion like master yi but still Im suck. Its like there is no difference if I give my 100% to a game or trollong still i lose. I want to quit but I dont know why Im still playing it.
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: Do some people stay in Bronze forever?..
So do you think for example I played 1 game win or loss, its good to watch the replays to improve? Also another problem for beginners like me even if I watch tutorials and tips from youtube is there are situations or sometimes in the whole game is I dont know what is I dont know. I mean I have no idea of what Im doing and what should I do. All I know Is I need to find way how destroy inhibitor turrrents and takes objectives farm and defend. So even I played 1000 game is useless and will climb very slow or stay in bronze for log time if I will just rely on my own learning and skills about the game.
Enjutsu (EUNE)
: You necroed a pretty old thread. I don't see any stats from previous seasons, so i'm assuming you started playing only this season(unless you got banned). It does look like you've been playing a lot of games each day, but your total games this season is only maybe ~300(didn't bother with precise math). So you're probably playing only for a few months. Climbing is a slow process, on average it takes people whole season to climb a whole league and things get even slower at higher elos. Just because you managed to tick all those boxes doesn't mean you will instantly get your silver or bronze for doing that. It still takes time to see progress
> [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dUs8t2tc,comment-id=000400010001,timestamp=2019-10-25T10:44:49.603+0000) > > You necroed a pretty old thread. > I don't see any stats from previous seasons, so i'm assuming you started playing only this season(unless you got banned). > It does look like you've been playing a lot of games each day, but your total games this season is only maybe ~300(didn't bother with precise math). > So you're probably playing only for a few months. > Climbing is a slow process, on average it takes people whole season to climb a whole league and things get even slower at higher elos. > Just because you managed to tick all those boxes doesn't mean you will instantly get your silver or bronze for doing that. It still takes time to see progress Yes I just start to play on june then became level 30 after 1 month. Then play rank on july. Silver 3 is the highest rank I reach then I fell down back to bronze for a long time. I feel like I left behind and not improving even playing around just 300 games. Beacause I see my other friend in list that thay are now on gold and platinum when we just play the same on bronze rank few months ago. But like what you said it takes long time to climb. I was wrong that playing 300+ games is a lot while other take whole season to climb.
: You can even play them top as well but jungle is better
> [{quoted}](name=xXx Kish xXx,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=uxBNOs8f,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2019-10-23T14:41:52.649+0000) > > You can even play them top as well but jungle is better I will try master yi and trynda because I have them. Also do you have basic advice for jungle because I dont have idea how to roam well wich lane I will gank first or the proper routes houlfdI go first. Does jungler needs wards? Before Im playing as sejuany but everytime we lose all the blame goes to jungler thats why I stop this role because its very difficult to gank top mid and bot at the same time
: Firstly don't main support until you are in mid-high elo (platinum or better). Supports rely on having a good adc or at least 1 carry in the team. In low elo this is less likely and you are more or less relying on someone to carry you. (even if you play mage/supports, you are more or less at the mercy of your team) Next keep up to date with the champions that are successful right now. This is because their kit would have been buffed so they fair better than the average champion. So in your case I don't think zilean is a good choice since there are far better options. He is prone to CC heavy champs and that is what you need to be focusing on playing if you still want to be support. (My favorites are Leona and Blitz) This is my first season in Lol and I managed to make it into Gold after initially being placed in bronze. I main jungle and support but mostly I go for jungle
> [{quoted}](name=xXx Kish xXx,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=uxBNOs8f,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-10-23T09:04:03.852+0000) > > Firstly don't main support until you are in mid-high elo (platinum or better). > Supports rely on having a good adc or at least 1 carry in the team. > In low elo this is less likely and you are more or less relying on someone to carry you. (even if you play mage/supports, you are more or less at the mercy of your team) > > Next keep up to date with the champions that are successful right now. This is because their kit would have been buffed so they fair better than the average champion. So in your case I don't think zilean is a good choice since there are far better options. He is prone to CC heavy champs and that is what you need to be focusing on playing if you still want to be support. (My favorites are Leona and Blitz) > > This is my first season in Lol and I managed to make it into Gold after initially being placed in bronze. > I main jungle and support but mostly I go for jungle If I will stop main support what role should I try and what champions should I practice for beginners? I mean the easiest
JustClone (EUNE)
: Hello, son. Support main here. First thing... you are shitting your own brain. You play 5-6 ranked games... about 3 hours of gameplay. This is raping your brain. IT may not feel like rape, but this game requires and drains your concentration. If I want to perform better, I usually play one casual game to heat my muscles... to get used to the shit, you know? And then I play MAX 2 ranked games. Sure if I do not give a fock about performance, I can troll in low elo as much as I like... But to be effective, you need to be well rested. If you think that you will come after 9 hours of work, and you will be on the level to play 3 more hours of ranked games... You can forget this shit. Just forget it... And from your match history, I can see long strings of under performing, and I am just about sure, that this is because you are tired, not because you suck. Next. When playing AP champion, you hit harder with this {{item:3020}}. There is a shit called Effective HP... lets call it EHP for short. That EHP gets increased by 100% of max HP, for each 100 of the corresponding defense stat. In other words if you see a champion with 1000 HP 100 magic resist(lets call it MR for short) , it is actually 2000 HP target. If you see 1000HP with 200 magic resist, it is actualyl 3000 HP target... and so on. So If I have enemy soraka, and I want that lil slut dead. Lets say that she has 40 m resist. This means that the effective hp of hers is 1400. So if you buy boots - you reduce that MR by 18. Her effective hp gets down to 1220. this is 180 dmg you already done to her. Just by buying boots. On the other hand.{{item:3135}} is expensive item. At the same example, soraka MR gets reduced by just 16. This is 1240 EHP. 160 damage to her EHP for this item. Sure, the more MR the people get, the more EHP you will cut down. But you are buying this Void staff on general principle. And you are never buying boots or {{item:3916}} Maybe this math will help you a bit. Next. Zilean Alistar ... very short range. Very dependent on the performance of the adc. Hard to play combos. Slow bomb bomb is hard, headbut pulverize is hard... not for you. Try {{champion:99}}. Decent damage, much higher than zil. Similar CC capabilities. Shield to protect... TL;DR; So lets sum this up: 1. Do not play too much or make a breaks when tired 2. Be careful what you build. Flat pen is better than % magic pen and much cheaper. 3. Try to play some easier champions like lux. Good luck son, I wish you the best.
> [{quoted}](name=JustClone,realm=EUNE,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=uxBNOs8f,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-10-23T12:31:27.160+0000) > > Hello, son. > > Support main here. > > First thing... you are shitting your own brain. > You play 5-6 ranked games... about 3 hours of gameplay. > > This is raping your brain. IT may not feel like rape, but this game requires and drains your concentration. > If I want to perform better, I usually play one casual game to heat my muscles... to get used to the shit, you know? > And then I play MAX 2 ranked games. > > Sure if I do not give a fock about performance, I can troll in low elo as much as I like... > But to be effective, you need to be well rested. > > If you think that you will come after 9 hours of work, and you will be on the level to play 3 more hours of ranked games... > You can forget this shit. Just forget it... > > And from your match history, I can see long strings of under performing, and I am just about sure, that this is because you are tired, not because you suck. > > Next. > > When playing AP champion, you hit harder with this {{item:3020}}. > There is a shit called Effective HP... lets call it EHP for short. > That EHP gets increased by 100% of max HP, for each 100 of the corresponding defense stat. > > In other words if you see a champion with 1000 HP 100 magic resist(lets call it MR for short) , it is actually 2000 HP target. > If you see 1000HP with 200 magic resist, it is actualyl 3000 HP target... and so on. > > So If I have enemy soraka, and I want that lil slut dead. Lets say that she has 40 m resist. This means that the effective hp of hers is 1400. > So if you buy boots - you reduce that MR by 18. Her effective hp gets down to 1220. this is 180 dmg you already done to her. Just by buying boots. > > On the other hand.{{item:3135}} is expensive item. At the same example, soraka MR gets reduced by just 16. This is 1240 EHP. 160 damage to her EHP for this item. > > Sure, the more MR the people get, the more EHP you will cut down. But you are buying this Void staff on general principle. > And you are never buying boots or {{item:3916}} > > Maybe this math will help you a bit. > > Next. Zilean Alistar ... very short range. Very dependent on the performance of the adc. > Hard to play combos. Slow bomb bomb is hard, headbut pulverize is hard... not for you. > Try {{champion:99}}. Decent damage, much higher than zil. Similar CC capabilities. Shield to protect... > > TL;DR; > So lets sum this up: > 1. Do not play too much or make a breaks when tired > 2. Be careful what you build. Flat pen is better than % magic pen and much cheaper. > 3. Try to play some easier champions like lux. > > Good luck son, I wish you the best. Thanks for the advice, especially the #1. yes I play too much even when Im tired. I have a bad mindset that I need to change that the more games I play the more I get better even Im drained and exhausted. Sometimes Im tilted I will not stop playing till I get a win game example is I lost 8 games I will not stop till I get a victory even I lost 10 or more
: Hm... Do you feel you have a good grasp of the fundamentals ? Do you feel you know what is being expected from your support role in most situations ? Are you using Quick cast ? Are you doing vision well and keeping an eye on the minimap ? And most importantly, are you analyzing your own mistakes well ? Just watching your own replays could be a good start. Botlane *can* be a bit tricky due to having to play lanepartner lottery every game, but in my experience the supports are more often the ones who decide who wins lane than the ADCs. Where do you feel your level of coordination with your ADC is at ? Are they often tilted by your plays or are they generally content with you ?
> [{quoted}](name=LootAndPillage,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=uxBNOs8f,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-10-23T11:58:39.809+0000) > > Hm... > > Do you feel you have a good grasp of the fundamentals ? > Do you feel you know what is being expected from your support role in most situations ? > Are you using Quick cast ? > Are you doing vision well and keeping an eye on the minimap ? > And most importantly, are you analyzing your own mistakes well ? Just watching your own replays could be a good start. > > Botlane *can* be a bit tricky due to having to play lanepartner lottery every game, but in my experience the supports are more often the ones who decide who wins lane than the ADCs. > Where do you feel your level of coordination with your ADC is at ? Are they often tilted by your plays or are they generally content with you ? - I feel that I dont know much the fubdamentals. - as a support all I know is to help do more damage and protect my adc in lane - yes Im using quick cast all of my skill - yes Im doing vision well placing wards and always buying 2 redwards when coming back total 6 wards from redemtion Item . Sometimes I died because placing too many wards because my team mates doesnt place wards on dangerous areas. I always check the map who is missing. Maybe I need to start from zero again .I need tochange role because support is not for me and support in low elo is difficult because you are expectin an adc or other lanes to carry you. Most of the time ther is no carry thats why I choose yo build a mid items because no one dojng damage on my team I think I need to start playing on mid butIdont know what good champoin to use. Before Im doing one trick kayle on mid playing around 100+ games. And still nothing happen.
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Enjutsu (EUNE)
: People who are stuck in certain elo usually are doing something wrong: * Don't have a main role * Don't have main champions * play too little * play WAY too many champions
> [{quoted}](name=Enjutsu,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=dUs8t2tc,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-07-23T15:09:24.909+0000) > > People who are stuck in certain elo usually are doing something wrong: > > * Don't have a main role > > * Don't have main champions > > * play too little > > * play WAY too many champions Support is my main role Im one trick Play 4-7 hours a day I have little champions Still stuck in bronze
Mada (EUW)
: It's because you're tilted and you play poorly when tilted. You're the one dragging your team down
> [{quoted}](name=Mada,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R9fVIEBZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-15T11:04:55.278+0000) > > It's because you're tilted and you play poorly when tilted. You're the one dragging your team down Yes this player MadBoosted has a flamed bad luck and Im tilted for 2 days with a bad lack loosing streak
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Febos (EUW)
: Anything above 100, even if stable, is probably too much. Think of it like this, how long does it take for you to see something, make a decision and act upon it? The average human takes 250 ms to react to visual stimulus. If we undercut it by half, because we shouldn't be playing reactively, it comes out at 125 ms to see, think and do something. That said, if you can play without feeling the delay, you're fine. We are very good at adapting to our environment. In this case, your "environment" is a lower internet speed. It's a one-way street though. Your ping can go down and you'll barely notice a difference, but if it goes up... oh boy. I couldn't play at 100 ms, but I play at 60 ms just fine. Professional players would go mad playing with my delay. ######Obviously, you want to have your delay as low as possible. Lower delay means your input has effect on the game faster.
> [{quoted}](name=Febos,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=7Ais7QP3,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-10-13T03:09:42.055+0000) > > Anything above 100, even if stable, is probably too much. > > Think of it like this, how long does it take for you to see something, make a decision and act upon it? The average human takes 250 ms to react to visual stimulus. If we undercut it by half, because we shouldn't be playing reactively, it comes out at 125 ms to see, think and do something. > > That said, if you can play without feeling the delay, you're fine. We are very good at adapting to our environment. In this case, your "environment" is a lower internet speed. It's a one-way street though. Your ping can go down and you'll barely notice a difference, but if it goes up... oh boy. > > I couldn't play at 100 ms, but I play at 60 ms just fine. Professional players would go mad playing with my delay. > ######Obviously, you want to have your delay as low as possible. Lower delay means your input has effect on the game faster. Ive been playing start almost 4months with 130-140ms, acctually I dont know how it feels like to play with 30ms =(
: 30 is ok
> [{quoted}](name=ÐÆÙsLØSmurf,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=7Ais7QP3,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-10-13T02:12:41.115+0000) > > 30 is ok The fastest ms i had was 120 but most of the time 135-140 =(
: Does 140ms is bad?
Maybe thats why Im stuck hard at silver4 =(
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: yeah. i had times where i played 4-5 games each day and i just lost like 12 games in a row and i was like "wow. do i really suck so bad now? whats happening to me?" honestly i cant tell you what to do. EVENTUALLY you will win again and it should help you brighten up. what i recommend to most low level players is find a youtuber you like and who does guides and watch his guides for beginners. getting the basics down was enough for me to get gold.
> [{quoted}](name=Jennifer420,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=EjJ4xroZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-06T01:29:12.075+0000) > > yeah. i had times where i played 4-5 games each day and i just lost like 12 games in a row and i was like "wow. do i really suck so bad now? whats happening to me?" > > honestly i cant tell you what to do. EVENTUALLY you will win again and it should help you brighten up. > > what i recommend to most low level players is find a youtuber you like and who does guides and watch his guides for beginners. getting the basics down was enough for me to get gold. Maybe I should spend time watching begginers guide than playing more and more hours. but I dont know why Im inting these past 20+ games
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lnfy (EUW)
: Stuck in a game that does not exist.
I tried to do all the recomended solution, reinstall the game 3 times, Now its 6am and still having the same problem. cannot play, Im tired and Im quiting. I try to log in in my 2nd account and I can play it but my main account in same server is always %%%%ing recconecting %%%% it! its 6am
: Unable to conmect to the server. Please check you networkcommection and attemp to recconect to your
Tried many time and I give up it almost 6am and I cannot play because of this bug
: Unable to conmect to the server. Please check you networkcommection and attemp to recconect to your
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PooF (EUW)
: Same thing over here. Stuck for about 30 mins.
> [{quoted}](name=PooF,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=r1EAphOv,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-19T21:54:26.675+0000) > > Same thing over here. Stuck for about 30 mins. Same here I did everything but nothing happen. Now Im reinstallaing the fckn game maybe it will work
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: 15 min after report bot decide if he gona give him punishment.
> [{quoted}](name=mikrogane2305,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=48e1mEAs,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-26T11:31:22.455+0000) > > 15 min after report bot decide if he gona give him punishment. So it means that the person I reported recieve no punishment at all. They are playing more in match history and flaming more for free
: Flaming doesn't destroy the game. Trolls and inters do
> [{quoted}](name=BlackNYBeer,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=48e1mEAs,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-26T11:32:02.944+0000) > > Flaming doesn't destroy the game. Trolls and inters do Literally yes it wont destroy the game but It can affect other players concentration and focus to play well. Much worst is flamer is trolling at the same time
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: 23 but i behave like 9 years old xD
> [{quoted}](name=King oƒ River,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=AUxP1jJ0,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-08-20T17:30:00.108+0000) > > 23 but i behave like 9 years old xD Lol, haha Im not saying Im more matured because Im older, sometimes I got tilted and burned out not because of losing or dying many times. But because of reading the chat box of some crying flamers is like cancer. One time happend to me is I played trolled because Im so angry of 1 teamate flaming me since from the start of choosing the champion I want as sejuani All i do is running around the map buying only wards and boots of swift, placing wards around the map. troling the enemy and teamates. Typing bad and hate words to that 1 flaming guy. ending the game we won.
Jesi Oni (EUNE)
: 29 😭
> [{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=AUxP1jJ0,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-20T17:56:38.607+0000) > > 29 😭 Lol
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: 35, but deep inside I still feel like 16.
> [{quoted}](name=Mcgalakar,realm=EUNE,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=AUxP1jJ0,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-08-20T20:37:25.734+0000) > > 35, but deep inside I still feel like 16. Same here feels like not getting old. The only thing stops me to play more is I have a job and other reponsibilities to do, playing 3-5games for free time so 35 is the oldest I want to know maybe there are around 40's or 50's that still playing here
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: Starborne Sovereign Space is much more fun to me. as for age... early 30's
> [{quoted}](name=M3GTRDragon,realm=EUNE,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=AUxP1jJ0,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-08-20T20:33:22.650+0000) > > Starborne Sovereign Space is much more fun to me. as for age... early 30's Ive search it and it looks cool, will try to play it if I have time and its free play
: 32 years old and i play league as from the end of Season 1, so i guess nearly 9 years now or something like that.
> [{quoted}](name=Mizuho Kazami,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=AUxP1jJ0,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-08-20T22:54:55.943+0000) > > 32 years old and i play league as from the end of Season 1, so i guess nearly 9 years now or something like that. Nice so your a strong player now for 9 years of playing it
Hansiman (EUW)
: Welcome. I'm 32 myself.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=AUxP1jJ0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-08-20T17:26:58.053+0000) > > Welcome. I'm 32 myself. Wow thanks
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Torkl (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SARDINAS ULAM MO,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=lXpbEopX,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-08-18T14:12:36.889+0000) > > So is not possible to use one champ for all games except if it is banned or used by other teams. Kayle, sej, Ashe, brand only these 4 champ I know how to use when playing rank. If I auto filled as support I’m done losing. I’m stuck in bronze using only kayle > Now I’m trying to practice other champ for support or mid laner Toplane is the lane where counters are alot harder then in other lanes, i for example just pick teemo and freefarm when i see a kayle, usually shutting him down hard
> [{quoted}](name=Torkl,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=lXpbEopX,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-08-18T14:42:34.472+0000) > > Toplane is the lane where counters are alot harder then in other lanes, i for example just pick teemo and freefarm when i see a kayle, usually shutting him down hard So I’m very noob and stupid to play kayle 90% of my rankgames on mid lane I use kayle. Now I’m practicing zilean as support because I don’t have support champ. Is there a good champion that u can use in all lanes including jungle?
Torkl (EUW)
: My personal opinion is that if you get first pick top you lose and if enemy toplaner picks first you win (laning phase). With snowballing being so strong and jgl not being able to go top most of the time its just first pick wins (the lane), but if you are good at delaying chances are high you will win the game with kayle..
> [{quoted}](name=Torkl,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=lXpbEopX,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-08-18T08:24:11.692+0000) > > My personal opinion is that if you get first pick top you lose and if enemy toplaner picks first you win (laning phase). > > With snowballing being so strong and jgl not being able to go top most of the time its just first pick wins (the lane), but if you are good at delaying chances are high you will win the game with kayle.. So is not possible to use one champ for all games except if it is banned or used by other teams. Kayle, sej, Ashe, brand only these 4 champ I know how to use when playing rank. If I auto filled as support I’m done losing. I’m stuck in bronze using only kayle Now I’m trying to practice other champ for support or mid laner
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Zanador (EUNE)
: Unfortunately i can't watch replays from you now, so i'll have to work with what i can, but there just might be enough information. So let's get Sejuani out of the way quickly, because that one is going to be shorter. First, some rune tips. Keep Resolve as her main tree because Aftershock is flat out the main reason why she is meta now. Aftershock+her passive gives her very nice initial defense each time she starts a fight. Overgrowth is also a must have and Bone Plating is a very strong all around option, even tho i really like Conditioning for long games. For now just stay with bone plating since it's more consistent. Jungle path: Junglers with AoE skills like Sejuani are also very strong because there is a very good strategy with them. At the start of the match, kill Blue+Red normally, then focus on farming the birds and the golems as much as you can. Just ignore the frog and the wolf, and gank when the birds and golems are still not ready. There is a lot to optimize, but with an occasional crab from the river you can reach lvl6 as fast as the solo laners do. ----------------------------------- Now the longer part, some theory crafting for Kayle. Take it as a guide on how to think about your plans rather than strict rules you must follow. I will focus on supporting your early game a bit more. First of all, the runes again. My guess is that you found the kleoptomancy runes on the net and copied them to see how they work. Kayle is a late game carry champion who has a hard time early on (a bit too hard in the current version, probably) but becomes one of the strongest later on when she gets her levels and items. Kleptomancy helps with the items quite a bit, but it assumes that you are already past that 70 minions / 10 minutes average quite a bit. So for now i suggest a different approach based on what you have said in your posts. You mentioned that your mana management needs a bit of working too, so there are multiple things you can try. One is to pick sorcery as the secondary rune tree and choose Manaflow Band there. Transcendence is also quite good in that tree, but Kayle can use Celerity very well and Scorch is a nice early game rune too. As a primary, you will probably want something that gives you a bit of early game sustain and there are two main options for that. Fleet Footwork in Precision. A standard combo here would be Fleet Footwork+Triumph+Alacrity+Coup de Grace. Pretty much the basic ADC picks. It gives you good stats, a bit of early game healing and very good scaling into the late game. The second one is Grasp of the Undying in Resolve. Combine it with Demolish, Bone Plating and Revitalize. This isn't the best for low hp champions like Kayle, but it does give you a lot of early game sustain and once you get out of laning phase, you will do fine either way. Alternatively, in Inspiration you can look up Glacial Augment instead of Kleptomancy. This would give your E a strong slow if you use it against champions once every few seconds, so they would have a bit harder time just walking over to you. --------------------------------- Now with items you have quite a lot of options, since Kayle is an AP/AD hybrid champion. You can basically go with anything form standard ADC to on-hit build to AP+AS, so you will have quite a bit of experimentation ahead of you. This also means that while her builds do have core items, Kayle herself does not, so you are pretty much free to adapt your plans until you have bought your 3rd item. I'll approach this again from the perspective of a stronger early game, both because that's where both you and Kayle could use some help and because late game builds need high farm and for the match to actually last long. Manamune {{item:3004}} is a very good item. It's components are quite cheap, an early Tear {{item:3070}} can help a lot with your mana management and once the item is completed or even upgraded to {{item:3042}} it becomes quite strong. Alternatively since Kayle benefits from AP well too, you also have the option to buy an early Catalyst {{item:3010}} and go for Rod of Ages {{item:3027}} . This item helps you with both HP and Mana and while it takes some time to get to full power, it is quite cost efficient. For attack speed Nashor's Tooth {{item:3115}} and Triforce {{item:3078}} are both very good items with cheap components and good utility. While Guinsoo {{item:3124}} is a naturally strong item for Kayle, i'd suggest you skip it until you become a bit more confident. For some sustain, Lifesteal is really good, probably Gunblade {{item:3146}} fits Kayle the most, but it only helps if you can fight back, so don't be afraid to go for some more unconventional items if that seems to be what you need. {{item:3053}} For example is a common top lane bruiser item with cheap components and a lot of sustain, especially against burst, plus a bit of added damage too. It also forms a decent combo with other items that give you HP. That should be enough for now, the post is already getting a bit too long. Again, this is not a step by step "you must build this" list. The other readers would take my head for such unconventional builds. Rather these are useful stuff you can look for when you need something and you are not sure where to start. I'll check back on the thread as long as you reply to me, so cya.
Thanks for the very usefull info's and idea that some never cross my mind. Specially the rune part I guest I need to buy more rune pages bcause I only have 3 than can be edited aside from the basic other basic runes. Yes I just search the rune build in internet and some different builds I try to experiment the effects, wich is I dont know it has a big impact in the whole fame. Changing a rune build to make kayle strong in early is good idea and never try it. I really strugling in early if my lane enemy if malahzar zed etc.. ending up defending torrent not to break, cant rome too much to help team mates, tp back home to reset.cant do anything without help of jungler or someone to come .this is as kayle mid Also is it ok when looking for rank match up I always select the Mid primary and fill secondary. Then my teamate alwys said "omg kayle mid is stupid " or "dont pick kayle its very weak" "we already lost because the mid is kayle". I always choose mid because it is easier for me to roam to help or if I need help every one in map can come to me quickly than top or bottom. Thanks for giving me some tips.
Amanti (EUNE)
: You can play whatever you like and win but Kayle is a scaling champion, weak early to compensate for insane late power, since games end rather fast in soloq in this meta I recommend to try champs strong early like Renekton to test out. Also Sejuani is super strong so if you keep focusing on her you can go high
Actually my 1st main is sejuany but I realize Im 3 times more suck to use her than kayle but still she one of my 4 main champs that. Some times the winning game depends on my R if it will hit or not. I miss a lot of R skill shots that we lost just because of it. Im trying to practice how to aim the R Also if Im assign im jungle I aouto lock sejuany but sometimes I have no Idea what to do in jungle =(
Kurotsu (EUW)
: I dont know if you have the time and patience for it, but I watched hundreds of hours of streams and high rank gameplay. After applying what they said, I began climbing steadily. My recommended channel on youtube is Jay Sea, he does a iron to diamond series and he covers almost every champion while explaining in veeeery easy steps what to do. And to answer your question, yes 1000 games of Kayle will help you improve, but I wouldn't set that goal. Just have fun. We learn better when we have fun too.
I will try to watch that channel on ypu tube. I think I need to figure out the right thims to do while playing 1000 times
: Yup, i still can remember then i play my 1st game as veigar somewhere in 2009 or early 2010, this was outright horrible х) Regarding post, at which areas you are struggling? Like, any pointers?
Im struggling in CS specially if enemy is so strong I cant do anything but to stay near torrent. In Item build also I have no Idea Im reading the info of items sometimes it worls but sometimes its useless and I dont know why
Zanador (EUNE)
: Improving is not about how many matches you play. It's all about finding the right things to look for. For example a quick look at your match history tells me right away that you'll need to improve your farm. For high elo the "standard" is 100 CS / 10 minute. As a new player that is obviously not your goal just yet, but you should practice getting at least 50-70 CS / 10 minute as a high priority. It is also important to know your strenghts and weaknesses and in general what kind of player you are. So i'll check back on later, but it would be interesting to see how you see yourself now. What do you think you are good at and why do you like the champions you lised for example? We can easily check your stats, so other details are more useful on the boards. :) Feel free to ask and don't worry. Everyone was horrible when we started.
Yes that is my problem the cs Im trying to improve it but. It depend in enemy lane situation. example Im getting harrased by in lane bytristana, fizz, diana, illanoi, I cant cs if I get close I die get killed by seconds. I try my E to last hit minions and W to dodge enemy, Q if they get close to me. But my mana quickly drian also my health. If Im get harrased my in 10mins. Or more I feel lost and cant do anything just to tower hug because my CS Is 25 and the enemy has 75 or more Sometimes I make my build in early game giving a sustain mana like 2dorans 1 corrup potion 2 rings before buying core item. If Im ahead Im not buying these item and building my core weapons. Is this wrong? Some players telling my build is troll or suck. But some times it works and we won. Sometime I have no I idea what to build the only thing I know is should I go AP or AD? with life steal AS crit? Onother problem is I dont know my strength and weaknesses. But I dont want to kill to much. I choose not to die than killing to much then died many times. Like 0/0/17 is better than 8/8/0 Destroying towers getting objectives helping in team fights.
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: I tried to play on training first then on rank now its working. But I didnt do anything
Update. Sorry I forgot that I click the repair before entering game”
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