Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EfmIT1cM,comment-id=000a0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-09T17:23:45.375+0000) > > Actually, in real life you get a heavier and heavier sentence if you're a repeated offender. The same principle applies here - except that permabans are applied on _accounts_, not _persons_ (minus few notable exceptions), simply because there's no other way to make people understand that their behaviour is unwanted. > As you said, the line must be drawn somewhere at some point. > On this regard, I'll reply to a point of your post that I missed: > > Riot already tried that till a few months ago, with the results that people managed to get over 500 chat restrictions without even showing signs of reform. That's why they reverted to the ban system. omg your logic is absolutely terrible, lets use your analogy of bank robbers recommitting.. you basically just said bank robbers should be sent back to jail after they served their sentence because you 'feel' like they will rob again...thats not even allowed...ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? same applies for here...you cant perma ban someone just because 'oh theyve had chat restricitions previously' cases like this receive no punishment 99% of the time and its hard to see whats so wrong with this apart from feeding the trolls by responding to their flames.
Goofrian (EUW)
: The League of Legends snack game: Main supports
this guy is an evil genius...hes trying to give bronze players diabetes so there's less players in bronze, jokes on you i already have diabetes!
: But in order to get to that point you have to have been negative through a 10 game chat restriction, 25 game chat restriction and 14 day ban That's pretty consistent
> [{quoted}](name=Entity Rush,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EfmIT1cM,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-09T10:09:01.295+0000) > > But in order to get to that point you have to have been negative through a 10 game chat restriction, 25 game chat restriction and 14 day ban > > That's pretty consistent not always. the system sometimes decides you can skip punishment tiers. i went from 10 game chat restriction to 2 week ban, now im scared to use this account as i was barely even negative, but anyway the point is he might have skipped all the restrictions completely if the system somehow thinks hes toxic enough. but the system is broken majority of people on forums dont want to realise it. hope you get this revoked as imho this is just silly now. over sensitive to the point where even having a conversation can get u punished, this system is now being used by trollers to even get people banned, a kid feels upset because you tried to give constructive criticism and boom you could get a restriction it really is that easy. Muting is the only answer for now.
Deeze11 (EUNE)
: Getting pissed off at people who ruin your experience doesn't mean you're toxic . Not in the real world, only in LoL where logic doesn't exist and everyone is oversensitive .
> [{quoted}](name=Deeze11,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Ig2zIpEv,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-07T21:44:05.710+0000) > > Getting pissed off at people who ruin your experience doesn't mean you're toxic . Not in the real world, only in LoL where logic doesn't exist and everyone is oversensitive . also i find the more truth is in your comments, the more likely its gonna be down voted by the same old forum members
Chronaz (EUW)
: Are comments in reports used?
pointless adding a comment as its all dealt by a bot, handing out punishments at random (it feels). support dont read the comment either they will just copy paste the same chat review that they sent in your email followed by a scripted player behavior message. it works for the majority of people who are just crying over their bans, but for people who actually want something answered the support goes quiet just saying, comment is pointless imo
: Greetings! Since the Tribunal is an automated system nowadays, comments aren't always needed. However, they can be useful once a case is being manually reviewed by a Support member. I suggest you add a short comment in case it is not clear how a player violated the rules, or if you simply want to vent your frustration.
> [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=k28aYHL5,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-05-08T12:06:58.953+0000) > > Greetings! > > Since the Tribunal is an automated system nowadays, comments aren't always needed. > However, they can be useful once a case is being manually reviewed by a Support member. > > I suggest you add a short comment in case it is not clear how a player violated the rules, or if you simply want to vent your frustration. support? lol what support. ah you mean the scripted replies you get that dont answer the question you asked them then suddenly silence ensues and you dont hear back from them? thats my experience so far with 'support'
: > I hope they work in match matching Those are completely different teams. If the PB guys would work on matchmaking, the result would probably not be something you want. It's a bit like letting a concept artist take care of the servers. > a troll report should be placed in game so the system can evaluate better and take an immediate action? There already is "Intentionally feeding" (which, together with verbal abuse, afk and spam covers pretty much all possible ways to troll) and the feederbuster that checks these reports. So the system you want already exists. The problem about it is, that intentionally feeding isn't that easy to recognize if you want to be sure you don't mix it up with someone simply having a bad game. Basically you have to detect the intention, which, without being able to read peoples minds, can be very difficult in many situations, which is why this system is probably the least reliable system of the PB systems and most likely always will.
> [{quoted}](name=Humpelstilzche,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=T0VGpIOx,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-05-08T14:47:27.274+0000) > > Those are completely different teams. If the PB guys would work on matchmaking, the result would probably not be something you want. It's a bit like letting a concept artist take care of the servers. > > There already is "Intentionally feeding" (which, together with verbal abuse, afk and spam covers pretty much all possible ways to troll) and the feederbuster that checks these reports. So the system you want already exists. The problem about it is, that intentionally feeding isn't that easy to recognize if you want to be sure you don't mix it up with someone simply having a bad game. Basically you have to detect the intention, which, without being able to read peoples minds, can be very difficult in many situations, which is why this system is probably the least reliable system of the PB systems and most likely always will. key thing you missed he said 'In-game'..... as in being able to report while the game is happening so its easier to detect.
Sirrchio (EUW)
: Tribunal bans players for no reason at all!
here comes the 'riot banned you u must have deserved it' brigade. if this is legit theres no way this is justifiable for a permanent ban and anyone who says he deserves it need their head checked out and probably need to remove it out of riots backside before they stain their nose brown
Evanitis (EUNE)
: I prefer to only mute the flamer on his first line. It's nice to see the other players not reacting, or telling him to calm down and play the game. And if one decides to retaliate, I can tell him to mute the offender instead of letting himself dragged down to his level.
> [{quoted}](name=Evanitis,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=VQUtJbZo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-05-06T11:47:05.499+0000) > > I prefer to only mute the flamer on his first line. It's nice to see the other players not reacting, or telling him to calm down and play the game. And if one decides to retaliate, I can tell him to mute the offender instead of letting himself dragged down to his level. i told someone to mute the offender and report them after (after i had them muted and saw the other people on my team were also typing stuff to the flamer), and got reported myself for 'asking for reports and negative'. legit system
Volthun (EUW)
: This is just unfair. And riot, this shows that you just blindly ban everybody.
maybe he said 'u can report me all day long' because he had faith that the tribunal would make the correct judgement and not hand out a ban for small disagreements. people saying 'you deserve ban' if this was consistent more than 99% of the community would deserve ban these days people crying for bans over anything that might have been said that could have slight negative undertones, like this is a game made for ages 3-10. over sensitive stuff like this will just create a cycle of more reports for riot to deal with because reporting everytime theres a disagreement of opinion will become the norm. so gg riot, wp
: >ive seen people reported for worse, and recieve nothing Soooo... you work at Riot? Because there's no other circumstance in which that comment would make sense. You can't "see" people receive punishments. The Feedback popup you receive is when your report was the last that triggered a 14 day/Perma. You don't get the popup if your report triggered a chat restriction. Stop trying to use information you can't possibly have as an argument. Also a hundred times what this guy said. >I find it extremely stupid to trust that you have 3 "Get out of jail" cards before permanent ban. I agree with this so much. People should never have _leeway_ to flame. If the system was literal in giving you a perma after 3 punishments and not before under any circumstance, people could just freely go into a game, flame the shit out of their teammates and think to themselves "It's okay, I haven't even had my first chat restriction yet, so I can flame all I want" Nobody should have free reign to be toxic.
> [{quoted}](name=Hide on küsh,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=UaEkhl0r,comment-id=000200000000000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-05-04T05:51:50.359+0000) > > Soooo... you work at Riot? Because there's no other circumstance in which that comment would make sense. You can't "see" people receive punishments. The Feedback popup you receive is when your report was the last that triggered a 14 day/Perma. You don't get the popup if your report triggered a chat restriction. > > Stop trying to use information you can't possibly have as an argument. > again, you are making assumptions that im lying, if you had instead asked me to explain how i know 100% i would explain to you that i play with friends and i was sitting next to the person i am talking about who is extremely toxic and i can see his screen as he plays....no restrictions or anything received. 100%. that is how i know, without working for riot, and that is how its possible, youre welcome
Ymir (EUW)
: Upcoming Upgrades to Chat Restrictions
the way this system is right now, i shall be actively reporting every negative thing i see instead of letting some things slide like i used to. why should i get a temporary ban skipping the chat restriction on a very minute offense of responding to a flamer. now im going to add to this over sensitive and easily exploitable system tbh. My chat will muted on any slight negative comment from anyone in chat and them reported too. and so the cycle begins. i remember a few seasons ago the tribunal actually only punished people who were intentionally ruining games, not just the 2 people who were having a debate over a wrong dragon or baron call. You may think dishing out punishments is a solution, but its actually just a stop gap and in itself will create an even bigger problem than before. god forbid anyone say any comment that may be deemed negative, you will get {{summoner:11}}
: did i get chatrestriction for this?
tbh it looks bad. but if we cant see everyones chat it always looks worse. however i did less than this and got 2 week ban, skipping the chat restriction so consider yourself lucky its not even worth trying to explain anything to a flamer in game, as you wil be the one judged to be negative, imho just mute as soon as anything is said or if anyone asks you why you did something, because the way this system is set up you just do more damage to yourself if you try to reason and communicate with toxic players.
: He did get rekt. Also >his actions were affected by a ban yet in another situation the same actions wouldnt receive any punishment at all or at least a punishment of less severity You have absolutely 0% chance of knowing that, so please don't make shit up. Not only you are making yourself look like an uneducated fool, you are also spreading false information. You talk shit, you get hit (by a ban hammer). And the fact still stands: only **your** behavior affects on **your** punishments. It doesn't matter what enemies or your teammates do as **you** are the one responsible for **your** actions. I find it extremely stupid to trust that you have 3 "Get out of jail" cards before permanent ban. Imho, if you flame and flame regardles of your restrictions without reforming, permanent ban is the best solution.
im talking from experience. ive seen people reported for worse, and recieve nothing dont make assumptions that im not talking from experience, you are the one who is seeming uneducated also try say that 'uneducated fool' in a game of league of legends with the current report system. you yourself would be eligable for a ban. p.s, rekt
Dakon0 (EUW)
: I'm glad how you managed this situation and it's a good exemple of a case in wich some people wont report you just because trynder targeted you so hard before, and others will. its a good exemple of how different other people see other quotes. someone who didnt read chat perhaps reported you only because of "easy". other dont report this at all. everyone has his own meaning. one hint. beeing "less" toxic then others dont excuse this players behaviour toxic is toxic and you should report all toxic behaviour. as far as my experience go you dont get a ban from only a game and a few reports. Only a gg easy shouldn't result in a punisment normaly. there should be a mail with the chatlogs from two or three games where you are ment to be realy toxic. if thats not the case or you think you dont deserve it, you can always conntact riot support via ticket.
yes this is true. just felt worse because i made one comment when he was berating me the whole game. also riot support is basically like talking to a brick wall. if u like reading scripted replies, then its for you
: What other people do have nothing to do with his punishment. Only your actions affect on your bans and if it is serious enough, well, this happens. http://s20.postimg.org/jxclw5j0t/1445075040435.gif
having a system that is easily understandable and gives out equal punishments, this has everything to do with his punishment. his actions were affected by a ban yet in another situation the same actions wouldnt receive any punishment at all or at least a punishment of less severity nice meme btw yet nothing you said has 'rekt' anything
Irrsinn (EUW)
: You can disreagard what we say and ignore it, that's fine. Bare in mind though, that your next ban will be a permanent one. That means you would loose all progress, champions or skins on this account. And it won't matter if you agree with it or not.
then you clearly dont know what youre talking about either. there are cases where people have skipped the whole chat ban process completely. and their casses wernt even that bad. i also have personally seen someone recieve a 2 week ban then recieve another 2 week ban after that on the same account. so you can go back to acting like the smart arse on other peoples topics. thanks for the useless information however
GR Troller (EUNE)
: then why she had in a ranked game the role "Support"?
she trolled you. and i bet you 100% shes still playing, yet you reacted and got the punishment for it people wont be able to understand this however and will just say that because you did a certain thing, you deserve a ban. however logical people will agree that the punishment was harsh the problem is the majority of people who lurk on these player behaviour forums have no desire to understand, just want to tell you that you deserve this punishment and want to show you what u did wrong i hope your case actually gets reviewed by someone old enough to make a logical decision
Not xPeke (EUW)
: My entire post isn't based on a single event :/ It's merely an example, which I am pretty sure has and will happen again from what I've noticed. EDIT: by the way I don't recall saying *everyone* does it in that sense, that's my bad though as I did use that specific word. What I really meant is just that I've noticed an influx of number of people being either overly sensitive, or even, in a malicious way, playing "the victim" finding anything and anyone negative. Might be better words than calling them "victims" but I hope you know what I mean. Don't mean it as an insult. Having said that, yeah I get you, I understand what you're saying, but also don't focus on the key word "once" too much. Like I said, that was just an example, I only mentioned that because it happend very recently (yesterday), but I have noticed that situations like these have happened often before, and I have also heard of it happening to other people - whether through posts on here or through friends' personal experiences. People are very eager to cry "flame" and "toxic" exaggerating their own definition of those words. I do try to think about this as objectively as possible, as I gain nothing from believing either side. And this is just what I feel/noticed about our community at the moment. Even if this was an isolated incident that I was myself involved in, it is still safe to consider it can be happening elsewhere and between other people, as it's a completely plausible thing to occur. Some people are just more sensitive than others, some have bigger egos, some just blame and complain about "flame" as a defense mechanism. Thing is, this could harm the community and the image of the community, as many things are seen or interpreted as negative when, at least in my opinion, alot of the time are just normal discussions or debates between people. It is a common trend as of recently, and it's been escalating for a while. In another thread people have quoted the OP saying "you have flamed me 24/7" (for example) and said that was negative? Adding that they should just mute and play on. While muting and ignoring might be the best way to deal with a flamer, in no way is replying to a flamer ALWAYS wrong. Especially if you are not breaking any rules in doing so. If someone flames me for being 0/2 and i mention I have had no ganks and been camped. How am i being negative? Except many people on the boards seem to think so. That is my issue with over sensitivity in this community. EDIT2: fixed some spelling and stuff :p
> [{quoted}](name=Not Xpeke,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pejfosHx,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2016-05-03T16:28:34.483+0000) > While muting and ignoring might be the best way to deal with a flamer, in no way is replying to a flamer ALWAYS wrong. Especially if you are not breaking any rules in doing so. If someone flames me for being 0/2 and i mention I have had no ganks and been camped. How am i being negative? Except many people onn the boards seem to think so. > That is my issue with over sensitivity in this community. Yes. and if u got reported they will then quote what you said about having no ganks in your chat history and claim its negative attitude, flaming and that you deserve punishment and label you as negative they will then also say that the context of what you said doesnt matter, when it clearly does like in the situation you have said. the over sensitive report system and general attitude of this community disgusts me. these days any kind of advice or even helpful criticism is labeled as 'flaming' and often reported and punished for. please, imho the punishment and report system should be left for the truely disruptive players who grief play or intentional feed, or use overly offensive racial slurs etc, for eveything else you still have a MUTE button
Not xPeke (EUW)
: This exact mentality is what is ruining this community... You're all giving the community an even worse name than it should have! Sugar coating everything and finding any tiny little things negative. AKA you are** creating **more negativity by forcing yourself to find it EVERYWHERE. I don't care if that could be considered negative, in REALITY it is no way ban worthy, and anyone trying to make this, or other similar incidents, seem negative (talking in general, not saying you specifically) should really reconsider their judgement, because I for example would be unable to trust them in any other situations, as they clearly can only see things black and white with no shades of grey.
this is the mentality also of all these forum members who constantly lurk on the player behaviour threads. their only intention is to troll people who believe they have been unfairly punished, the OP not arguing that they deserved punishment most of the time its just confusion at the severity of the punishment received in relation to their crime but these same forum lurkers that i see on all these posts will nit pick at the chat log and say 'you was negative here, you deserve the ban' this is just creating a whole load of mess and its not equal treatment for all
: How well you did isn't really an issue tho, since even if you were afkig, that's not a ban for being toxic ;P
people just come on here with assumptions as to why you supposedly deserve the ban.
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: Send us the screen of the logs not this This can easily be edited(and often is) But is this rly a ban? And not a CR? And you were passive aggresive most of the game ^^ that lead to the punishment prob
i dont think people understand what passive aggressive means. simply replying to a flamer in a calm relaxed manner is seen by you as 'passive aggressive' . ok why are ppl so quick also to jump to the defence of riot tribunal judges
Dakon0 (EUW)
: if you are gold and someone did a bad play, calling him bronze is an insult and you can get banned, if you yourself are bronze its only Ironic and i could laugh at that. I report "ez game" moste of the time because it s not sportsmanlike even if it was easy. Someone who got destroyed in lane dont realy want to hear that he fucked up. i dont report it when it actually was a close game and its clearly ironic. you dont have to use vulcar words to insult someone. "may you fall down the elo latter and never come back" is also an insult without any bad words. my advice: be nice and, compliment others and help them see there mistakes. and by "see there mistake" i dont mean "you bronze player, **** dont engage with no vision" i mean "pls play more carefull, team we need more vision, i get pink ward".
but the system is still flawed. I can give you an example of the last time i was 2 week banned without any prior restrcitions. im top lane vs a tryndamere as tahm kench. things are going badly for me after he hits 6 and everytime he kills me (3 or 4 times) he shouts in all chat 'lol noob tahm so easyu so bad' etc i keep myself calm, knowing that my team apart from me are doing fine and we will do better than their team in the late game as the game is about to be won, the tryndamere again spams in all chat about how bad i was and how im 'carried' ...the whole time i said nothing in all chat to reply, but i decided to reply to his comment, kind of a joke i said 'lol easy game' which was infact a joke as my score was bad but we won saying 'easy game' got me 2 week banned and i checked the tryndamere and even though the toxicity of him was way worse than me i saw him continue playign games via checking his username on lolking i came on forums to ask if this was fair, and got a swarm of forums accounts saying 'you said gg easy u deserve permanent ban not even 2 week ban' asking for people here to have empathy and understanding is a waste of time. i doubt also that asking riot to review their decision will have any effect either, but this is the over sensitive system we must now deal with. i only hope {{champion:43}} hits them with a nice mantra-Q ban one game they slip up
Rito PI0x (EUW)
: > i was just calling people noobs That's actually enough > i hardly even cursed So you admit you've cursed > the fact that ive seen people rage entire games while using hate speech and not with no repercussions What do other people have to do with your ban? Don't benchmark yourself against them. Flaming people will get their punishment. Also how can you know that these players don't get their punishment?
other people actually have alot to do with his ban and the point hes trying to make we should strive for a system of equality, where the punishments are the same for all and clearly understandable, to say that he deserves to skip a 2 week ban because he called his teammates noobs is laughable logic. the same is said in 99% of games and goes unpunished, this is the point
Viavarian (EUW)
: Highly toxic phrases like "useless team" are likely enough for it to count as a serious case. > i hardly even cursed Saying "bad" words is not toxic, attacking people is. There's a fundamental difference.
you believe saying 'useless team' justifies a perma ban? you realize how much money and gaming hours some people put into this game? what is wrong with people here, its like saying someone should get the death sentence because they assaulted someone after being provoked. i only hope this happens to you one day
SKEEMZ (EUW)
: it is harsh, but you are on forums and the majority of people here have no empathy or desire to understand anything apart from 'you was toxic you deserved it' you are like me asking why the punishment does not fit the crime, i had a similar situation myself, but ive learnt that its a waste of time here, people will always take the moral highground and say you deserve your punishment, even though to a level minded person they would be confused as to why the punishment doesnt fit the crime. best of luck keep replying to the email untill you get an actuall human response, but its most likely that you wont get the ban lifted, and asking riot to admit they made a mistake is something they will never do
you can only hope that the people sticking up for these unrealistic punishments one day have a bad game and say something slightly negative in a game and end up getting full banned themself, hopefully karma will hit and they will be left wondering why some of the racist and truely toxic stuff goes unpunished while they recived a harsh restriction that didnt follow the correct punishment shedule that they made clear of themself. 10 game chat restriction, continue 25 game chat restriction, 2 week ban, perma ban people dont want to hear you wonder why u skipped the other punishments, they will just come with the same 'you was toxic u did this wrong, u deserve ban' comments that flood the player behaviour section im startin to think its from riot employees or other tribunal judges accounts
Adabo (EUNE)
: Permanent Ban With No Previous Bans
it is harsh, but you are on forums and the majority of people here have no empathy or desire to understand anything apart from 'you was toxic you deserved it' you are like me asking why the punishment does not fit the crime, i had a similar situation myself, but ive learnt that its a waste of time here, people will always take the moral highground and say you deserve your punishment, even though to a level minded person they would be confused as to why the punishment doesnt fit the crime. best of luck keep replying to the email untill you get an actuall human response, but its most likely that you wont get the ban lifted, and asking riot to admit they made a mistake is something they will never do
: question that requires an answer
my advice to you is dont even use chat. the people who troll you will know with this care bear system anything u say will be taken as negative and used against you in a tribunal case, weather it be explaining your action to a flamer or not, or even slight insults such as u are acting like bronze, this will land you in ban and if they are intentionally doing it like i see people the chances are they will get away with it mute button is there for a reason, people should use it but nowadays they prefer to disregard anything as flaming or negative and the carebear system will ensure you are the one punished
Irrsinn (EUW)
: You can disreagard what we say and ignore it, that's fine. Bare in mind though, that your next ban will be a permanent one. That means you would loose all progress, champions or skins on this account. And it won't matter if you agree with it or not.
you and your friend on here dont work for riot, thanks. doesnt matter what i agree with, using caps lock is a clear showing of immaturity.
: > [{quoted}](name=SKEEMZ,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0E2OqgX9,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000010001,timestamp=2016-05-03T00:33:45.149+0000) > > so instead of knowing the context simple minded people such as yourself will do what u just did in the next comments by making a whole load of incorrect assumptions about what is being said and to whom its being said to. And yet you give no reason as to _why_ the assumptions are incorrect. Classy. (And that's leaving aside how context doesn't change what you did. You still did it) > if someone is flaming me and i reply to them explaining my actions, without the context of the question any kind of simpleton such as yourself will quote it and say 'see you was negative here' like you have won some kind of award and can read in between the lines like some kind of detective Or, here me out..._maybe I know better than to militantly assume that being flamed gives me the moral right to flame back and thus sink to the level of just another flamer._ You know...it's _more_ than a possibility. And wait, with all those angry comments that you flood this thread with rather than making one succinct reply, are you sure it's the _system_ that's oversensitive here? Or are you just massively upset that you behaved badly and got caught? Because given your replies, I'm _very_ much willing to bet it's the latter. In the words of Nicholas Angel, you don't need to be a detective to figure _that_ out.
> [{quoted}](name=Cobaltmotari,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0E2OqgX9,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000100010000,timestamp=2016-05-03T08:51:41.048+0000) > > And yet you give no reason as to _why_ the assumptions are incorrect. Classy. (And that's leaving aside how context doesn't change what you did. You still did it) > > Or, here me out..._maybe I know better than to militantly assume that being flamed gives me the moral right to flame back and thus sink to the level of just another flamer._ > > You know...it's _more_ than a possibility. > > And wait, with all those angry comments that you flood this thread with rather than making one succinct reply, are you sure it's the _system_ that's oversensitive here? Or are you just massively upset that you behaved badly and got caught? Because given your replies, I'm _very_ much willing to bet it's the latter. In the words of Nicholas Angel, you don't need to be a detective to figure _that_ out. calling me angry when you are the one caps lock raging on my posts, you also have a very weird definition of 'flaming' is explaining why i did a certain thing to someone asking 'flaming'? that word gets thrown around too easy by people such as yourself who have no real arguement so must discredit any statement or reply as a 'flame' i have nothing more to say to people who believe using caps lock in a discussion or any form of debate is appropriate. you seem toxic yourself nothing more to say to you mate. take that as 'flaming' but i dont need to resort to caps lock like some attention seeking child angry cos his point is not shared. thanks and take that as an insult if you want.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Keep in mind that this wasn't a direct 14 day ban, was it? I'm going to take a guess that you have received at least a 10 game chat restriction, and a 25 game chat restriction prior to this, because that's the standard punishment tiers you go through. If you do not improve your behaviour after getting two sets of chat restrictions, Riot escalates you to a 14 day ban together with a final warning to give you a clear indicator that your behaviour isn't welcome. Yes, you'll find people saying worse things, but that doesn't mean they go unpunished, nor does it mean your behaviour should be forgiven. People that send out very severe insults can skip chat restrictions and get a 14 day ban as their very first penalty. However, most people will go through chat restrictions first since the majority of those who do actually reform after a single penalty. To add to what the others said about you not always getting the pop-up notifying someone has been punished; this pop-up can also only appear if the punishment the player got was a 14 day ban, or permaban. If they obtained a chat restriction, you won't see a pop-up. Riot isn't sending out the pop-up constantly, because when they surveyed the community, not a lot of players wanted to get the pop-up often; they felt it would be spamming them.
> [{quoted}](name=Hansiman,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0E2OqgX9,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-05-02T20:31:50.657+0000) > > > People that send out very severe insults can skip chat restrictions and get a 14 day ban as their very first penalty. However, most people will go through chat restrictions first since the majority of those who do actually reform after a single penalty. > so why did i go from 10 game chat restriction...to then playing alot of games and finally receiving hextech rewards again.....to straight 2 week account ban for this one game. As riot said themself the routine is 10game chat restriction, then 25 game chat then the 2 week ban then if continues, perma ban. i skipped the 25 chat restriction when i wasnt even that toxic, lets be honest here. i dont see where i 'severely' insulted someone? i see worse said in all my games by other people. this was my dispute.
Deeze11 (EUNE)
: It is more childish not to allow players to freely express themselves. To make them just wait 20+ minutes if someone basically decides that they want to waste their time without saying anything is hypocritical . And why do I only get replies from people who play 1-2 games per day ? And that barely play ranked ? You guys are not in a position to really talk about this, of course, you can tell people your opinions , but to outright deny everything I say and to say that I'm wrong while you guys barely play ranked, and still play this game rarely compared tho the people that actually get punished is a bit strange you know ? Reports pile up faster the more often you play the game, anger piles up faster the more often you play it if people keep ruining your game, the ability to restrain from flaming gets smaller, the situations in which you're put up against those kind of people happen more often. And playing only ranked makes it worse. But you people come out and contradict me while being either unranked, or while only playing 2-3-4 at max normal games per day. You guys are not put in stress situations. Just how it would be easy for you to say that it is harsh for someone to kill a dog and eat it even if he was left on a small island alone without food, because you were never put in that situation.
agree 100%. yet posting on forums i just realized also is a waste of time. occasional players who play once a week are rife on forums to tell you that u deserve your punishment and should calm down etc and act like real human specimins that we should all aspire to become like. this community of toxic flamers love the fact anything brought up on forums is shot straight down by occasional players who dont share the same passion for the game
SKEEMZ (EUW)
: also the feeling is mutuall i have no desire to play with you either, your copy paste reply was no help. like i said im not 100% innocent but my crime is explaining my actions to someone who is flaming me, not the other way around so dont try and spin it thanks. there is no way 2 weeks account ban is justified. thanks for your attempt to discredit it though
giving someone advice to just mute the toxic player and get on with the game is not 'mute announcement' either or some bull that u tried to spin it as, its advice to the jhin that instead of replying to her like he was he should just mute her and report her after the game. i hope to god u are put in my position once day and some smart know it all tries to spin everything you typed as negative, i could do the same with your reply even but i dont get off by making people angry like you clearly do.
SKEEMZ (EUW)
: also the feeling is mutuall i have no desire to play with you either, your copy paste reply was no help. like i said im not 100% innocent but my crime is explaining my actions to someone who is flaming me, not the other way around so dont try and spin it thanks. there is no way 2 weeks account ban is justified. thanks for your attempt to discredit it though
and how the hell can u even say what i did without making a whole load of assumptions. 'it's a case of you trying to take everything into your own hands, acting surprised when people don't take kindly to that, lashing out at people, and overall making the match experience more negative for everyone involved.' nonsense. if someone wants to know why i did a certain play or shot call i will tell them, i dont need you to come after and try and say im doing somethign that im not. im not gonna mute someone when they ask me why i took top tower instead of drake, im going to explain myself, i would rather someone understand my decision than to think im trolling or w/e. my god what is wrong with people.]#
SKEEMZ (EUW)
: wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww its easy to make someone seem bad when its all taken out of context. if someone asks me why i went top instead of drake, and i reply i was taking top tower, and all u see is my answer ofc youre gonna spin it and say im gloating etc etc. i could probably do the same to one of your chat logs and make you seem a whole lot more toxic than this. so basically youre saying i deserved 2 week ban for this incident. which is illogical but i wont feed the troll, you are entitled to your opinion, thanks for sharing however misguided and ridiculous it is
also the feeling is mutuall i have no desire to play with you either, your copy paste reply was no help. like i said im not 100% innocent but my crime is explaining my actions to someone who is flaming me, not the other way around so dont try and spin it thanks. there is no way 2 weeks account ban is justified. thanks for your attempt to discredit it though
: Okey-pokey, so your idea of "criticism", going by your email, includes... > dont cry > over one kill Negativity. > muted Negativity, since you're not supposed to announce your intention to mute. > so bad soraka > boosted to bronze > hahahha Insulting. > reported ;) Report-calling. > says im so bad cos i didnt go in for a 1v3 when im oom > i have no idea if shes still flaming i muted her Needless negativity created through passive aggression and announcing your muting. > just mute the toxic and report later Mute announcement and report-calling (Since reports don't work on the basis of reports within a game, making your proposition pointless on top of demoralizing). > i main jungle > so dont chat shit ty Flaming. > argue all ui want Encouraging negativity. > i took top > and im doing whats needed > dont flame the good guy Gloating and negativity. > one drake > fking hell > turrets more important > than one fking drake Flaming and self-centered complaining (I mean, god forbid plans besides your own come into the equation! What is this, a _team-based game_ or something?) > i dont need bronze opiniojns > hahhahaha > im lat smurf u noob Insulting. > im not > but u chat shit > all game > like a pro Flaming and blaming. > another one muted i guess Negativity. > my team flame me Blaming. > and i said easy in all chat and got banned 2 weeks And justifiably so, seeing how saying "easy" goes against the summoner's code article, "Show humility in victory and grace in defeat". (As indeed do the lines I labelled as "gloating") > u guys deserve bronze u know Insulting. > seriously > all at baron and end but no u stay mid. this is typical > only jhin came. Blaming. So, in conclusion, this is clearly _not_ a case of the system being "over-sensitive", nor is it a case of you getting banned for criticism. It's a case of you trying to take everything into your own hands, acting surprised when people don't take kindly to that, lashing out at people, and overall making the match experience more negative for everyone involved. It doesn't matter what the other players did, because honestly, you don't come across as any better. I know _I_ wouldn't want to play with someone like you. If I were you, I'd rework that attitude and actually _try_ to be a positive person in your matches, or at the very least understand that even if you _do_ know the fundamental difference between criticism and aggression, there's still a time when criticism isn't warranted or helpful. If you refuse to rethink your outlook on things, well...let's just say there's a reason why the email says, "Further examples of toxic behavior can result in permanent closure of your account." Case closed, ladies and gents. The system works.
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww its easy to make someone seem bad when its all taken out of context. if someone asks me why i went top instead of drake, and i reply i was taking top tower, and all u see is my answer ofc youre gonna spin it and say im gloating etc etc. i could probably do the same to one of your chat logs and make you seem a whole lot more toxic than this. so basically youre saying i deserved 2 week ban for this incident. which is illogical but i wont feed the troll, you are entitled to your opinion, thanks for sharing however misguided and ridiculous it is
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Keep in mind that this wasn't a direct 14 day ban, was it? I'm going to take a guess that you have received at least a 10 game chat restriction, and a 25 game chat restriction prior to this, because that's the standard punishment tiers you go through. If you do not improve your behaviour after getting two sets of chat restrictions, Riot escalates you to a 14 day ban together with a final warning to give you a clear indicator that your behaviour isn't welcome. Yes, you'll find people saying worse things, but that doesn't mean they go unpunished, nor does it mean your behaviour should be forgiven. People that send out very severe insults can skip chat restrictions and get a 14 day ban as their very first penalty. However, most people will go through chat restrictions first since the majority of those who do actually reform after a single penalty. To add to what the others said about you not always getting the pop-up notifying someone has been punished; this pop-up can also only appear if the punishment the player got was a 14 day ban, or permaban. If they obtained a chat restriction, you won't see a pop-up. Riot isn't sending out the pop-up constantly, because when they surveyed the community, not a lot of players wanted to get the pop-up often; they felt it would be spamming them.
previous to this i had a 10 game chat restriction only.
: > [{quoted}](name=SKEEMZ,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=0E2OqgX9,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-02T20:03:24.015+0000) > > posting my tribunal case would be pointless to you anyway. Well, if you genuinely do believe that you did nothing wrong, you wouldn't have anything to hide, would you? (Ignoring how the whole "knowing the context" thing is pointless, since _every time_ someone brings that up, it's the same old talk of "but other players did this...") So, to repeat what Irrsinn already said...chatlogs or it didn't happen.
http://link.email.riotgames.com/YesConnect/HtmlMessagePreview?Dx9AqW/GzIcHuB3N01SKgOVTjVhybvqJ%2BSM989wiaus=.enc&msgVersion=web
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Keep in mind that this wasn't a direct 14 day ban, was it? I'm going to take a guess that you have received at least a 10 game chat restriction, and a 25 game chat restriction prior to this, because that's the standard punishment tiers you go through. If you do not improve your behaviour after getting two sets of chat restrictions, Riot escalates you to a 14 day ban together with a final warning to give you a clear indicator that your behaviour isn't welcome. Yes, you'll find people saying worse things, but that doesn't mean they go unpunished, nor does it mean your behaviour should be forgiven. People that send out very severe insults can skip chat restrictions and get a 14 day ban as their very first penalty. However, most people will go through chat restrictions first since the majority of those who do actually reform after a single penalty. To add to what the others said about you not always getting the pop-up notifying someone has been punished; this pop-up can also only appear if the punishment the player got was a 14 day ban, or permaban. If they obtained a chat restriction, you won't see a pop-up. Riot isn't sending out the pop-up constantly, because when they surveyed the community, not a lot of players wanted to get the pop-up often; they felt it would be spamming them.
but what did i say in the above case that was really so bad? please explain even if i had previous chat restrictions or warnings what is the thing that i said in this game to merit a 2 week suspension. anything more than a chat ban regardless of previous behavior is way over the top
SKEEMZ (EUW)
: ok just for you. bare in mind im not saying im 100% innocent. but the majority of my typing was to diffuse the situation and i was confused as to why soraka was flaming me when i was doing ok (7/1). if you believe my slightly negative comments in this game are deserved of a 2 week ban, thats your opinion, but i cant say at all that i agree with it after personally seeing worse stuff in every single game that goes unpunished. http://link.email.riotgames.com/YesConnect/HtmlMessagePreview?Dx9AqW/GzIcHuB3N01SKgOVTjVhybvqJ%2BSM989wiaus=.enc&msgVersion=web
no doubt u will comment on the irony of me being banned last season for saying easy in all chat and also the fact i mentioned it to fizz who was saying tribunal do nothing. and im the one punished for it xD i said easy in a past game after we won in response to them saying how bad i was, but since then i have reformed, and i dont see how anything i said here really justifies a 2 week ban? cmon now
Irrsinn (EUW)
: What a suprise. You won't post your logs because of "reasons". That has never happened before here. But okay, how about this: you post them and I will promise to not comment on them. No, also not on a smurf or something.
ok just for you. bare in mind im not saying im 100% innocent. but the majority of my typing was to diffuse the situation and i was confused as to why soraka was flaming me when i was doing ok (7/1). if you believe my slightly negative comments in this game are deserved of a 2 week ban, thats your opinion, but i cant say at all that i agree with it after personally seeing worse stuff in every single game that goes unpunished. http://link.email.riotgames.com/YesConnect/HtmlMessagePreview?Dx9AqW/GzIcHuB3N01SKgOVTjVhybvqJ%2BSM989wiaus=.enc&msgVersion=web
Irrsinn (EUW)
: No, but there is some leniency built into the system. Most peole will not get puished for flaming once. You, on the other hand, were already on parole - and botched it.
according to riot i had 'reformed'. and you already justifying a ban without knowing the context or what i was supposed to have done wrong is already proving to me posting my tribunal case would be pointless to you anyway. i reformed yet one report from a toxic person justifys a 2 week ban ok bro gg
Irrsinn (EUW)
: http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/134527205570 >There's actually a Report Feedback system in the game right now, but it's tuned conservatively to make sure we aren't spamming players. So, if you file the report in the final match that triggers a penalty for a negative player, you'll get a message in the client You can't 100% know if somebody got punished or not. SImple as that.
i actually can if im sitting right next to the person who got reported after they said some heavy insults and got reported yet recieved not even a warning. are my eyes lying to me now
Irrsinn (EUW)
: And other mods and other forum regulars, a post by Lyte.... http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answers/134527205570 >here's actually a Report Feedback system in the game right now, but it's tuned conservatively to make sure we aren't spamming players. So,_ if you file the report in the final match that triggers a penalty_ for a negative player, you'll get a message in the client Good enough?
hard to tell the legitimacy of that website. but ok you got me if thats true. yet my point remains. having known toxic people in real life who recive not even a chat ban yet im 2 week ban for critisism, my point remains that sytem doesnt work and true trollers are laughing out loud. but thanks for your input
Irrsinn (EUW)
: http://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/ja-jp/c/new-player-advice-euw/1Bp7tqlq-reported-someone-for-a-legit-reason-and-he-received-no-punishment Here you go, first answer by Torpedosheep, Mod/Emissary on these boards. If you look through more threads you will find the answer always the same.
oh a EUNE forum junior mod said it, must be true. ;)
Irrsinn (EUW)
: I don't need to be from Riot. I can read their posts and what they say about their system and reasoning. You disagreing won't change how things are. Hell, you could search these forums yourself and get the same answers. You are not the first one to think the way you and won't be the last, but that won't change 1) That you don't always get a message and therefore can't know if somebody got punished 2) Reportcalling is unnecessary and considered toxic 3) Others being worse does not excuse your own behaviour.
again quote from riot where it says this anywhere otherwise your post is just opinion disguised as information. any rioter on to clarify this? '3) Others being worse does not excuse your own behaviour.' again its like you dont even bother to read. im not excusing my behavior, im saying if a system that punishes someone for minor negative attitude offenses, yet disregards toxic and racist players that receive no punishments that the system is flawed and not how it should be. is that so hard to comprehend? and im talking about people i know who have said openly toxic and offensive language in chat and never even received a chat ban due to not having alot of previous reports receiving no punishment at all. these are some people i know in real life still currently playing incase you think im assuming they dont get a punishment because i wasnt informed via a pop up message
Irrsinn (EUW)
: Well, if their knowledge is false, I can safely assume that. No need to work for Riot, it is enough to read their and the emissaries posts.
quote me where it says it then. im pretty sure tribunal chat bans you wont get any notifications for, but other bans i have personally see nthe message myself saying that tribunal has punished a player that i had reported. so please quote where riot tells you youre not always informed of tribunal ban
SKEEMZ (EUW)
: over sensitive report system and punishments not being handed out equaly
and talking about 'team morale' team morale was fine. why do ppl just search desperately to justify a flawed system because its the system in place atm? after the person flaming was muted game proceeded and we won so dont talk about 'morale'. what is really bad morale was the person flaming in the first place
Irrsinn (EUW)
: 1) You DO NOT always get informed if somebody was punished. 2) Chatlogs or "hardly anything" didn't happen. 3) Everybody gets the same treatment. You suffer because you can't control yourself. 4) Asking for reports is flatout unnecessary. One report is enough. 2 or 3 don't make much difference. On the other hand: telling somebody he is reported will not improve your game situation or team morale. It will almost never help.
sorry disagree with everything you have just said. kindly stop following my posts on forums just to purposely discredit anything i say. unless you work for riot i dont see how you can know that it doesnt tell you everytime your report has led to a player being punished. in my experience it does. also if you spot someone intentionally disrupting or ruining a game youre not allowed to say anything in chat? since when was wanting someone to be punished who is intentionally ruining 4 teammates game punishable because you asked or reminded your team to report the offender at the end. also i could post my report but i feel you will just return here to post negative comments without even logic. you will say 'you said this and this is negative' thats not my point. my point is i see worse that i know 100% goes unpunished and system doesnt treat everyone equally. simple as.
Irrsinn (EUW)
: It does NOT always tell you. Your report has to be the one that triggered the investigation/ban and afaik you will not be alway informed even then.
u work for riot? it DOES inform you btw. i have experienced it myself. dont just assume u know more than someone else
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