Cypherous (EUW)
: > You have entered your promos, but instead of attempting to win you will attempt to lose? If you're already doing really badly then i'm already predicting a loss due to you being tilted, at this point i'm most likely going to take actions that reduce the cost to me, if i odn't think i can carry you then i have very little choice in the matter, if i'm going to lose anyway then why not try to save as many LP as possible, this is the mindset people will start using > but if you feel like you are losing, you are going to intentionally do something which both teams recognize for what it is, an obvious attempt to get someone to ragequit? Sure, if i can manage to do it while avoiding all punishment i mean, why not? i mean in my mind the match is already a loss so at this point i have nothing more to lose and only LP to gain, if throwing a teammate under the bus reduces my loss then yes human nature generally dictates that you do it > And you know that it's a more severe offense than the afk itself and the reports will get you banned? Will you risk to get banned for a couple of days over not losing your promo game? I've already given you multiple examples of things you can do that carry zero punishment, i've been here since season 1 i know how far you can push the system before it bites back > Because yes these things are not against the rules but it is pretty obvious to all players inside the game that you are losing the game intentionally and you will eat a lot of reports for that specific thing Report numbers mean nothing, only validity does, so if its not against the rules you can be reported 500 times and not get punished > It is not hard to spot this win-trading type of gameplay and issue a verdict and the cases will not be many, because of the rational fear of the severity of the ban. Thing is, it isn't win trading, its just not helping someone who is losing and making sure they die enough to get you a reduced loss, which again, isn't against the rules > obvious attempt to abuse another player to ragequit for you is at least 7 days ban And yet, after all these years, i've never had so much as a warning despite having times where i got over 100 reports in a month :P > To add to that - When people know the possibility that someone is trying to make them afk on purpose, they will be less likely to actually afk, more likely to remain in game and report the person in question Sure, but at the end of the day, if i'm going to lose i'm not going to lose anything by trying and i only stand to gain from it
My whole point rests on the fear of getting banned over a specific case offense easily flagged for easy review by actual people and not software, for a quick and easy verdict of a minimum of 7 days ban, with the second being a month and the third forever. The fear must outweigh the perceived benefits. If that can't happen, then no improvement can be made. No one should perceive triggering someone to ragequit as unpunishable, in fact both the "ragequitter" and everyone else must know it as a specific offense with a specific report which gets reviewed by actual people and they can easily ban you quickly after.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > You try to abuse someone to ragequit in your promos. How are you going to abuse him without getting 5-6 reports? Quite easily, because letting him die isn't against the rules, taking farm in his lane isn't against the rules, taking his EXP isn't against the rules, there are many ways you can abuse a player without ever getting punished by the system If there is a way to exploit a system then players WILL find it and they WILL use it
So let me get this straight. You have entered your promos, but instead of attempting to win you will attempt to lose? Or you will first play to win, but if you feel like you are losing, you are going to intentionally do something which both teams recognize for what it is, an obvious attempt to get someone to ragequit? And you know that it's a more severe offense than the afk itself and the reports will get you banned? Will you risk to get banned for a couple of days over not losing your promo game? Because yes these things are not against the rules but it is pretty obvious to all players inside the game that you are losing the game intentionally and you will eat a lot of reports for that specific thing, which will get you flagged for review. It is not hard to spot this win-trading type of gameplay and issue a verdict and the cases will not be many, because of the rational fear of the severity of the ban. Because going afk might be due to bad luck (power went out, etc.) so you cannot give a hefty ban. But when the intentional, obvious attempt to abuse another player to ragequit for you is at least 7 days ban, I guarrantee the cases where people attempt that won't be many, considering everybody knows he's doing it for the promosave and you will always have a couple of people flagging you when you attempt this. EDIT: To add to that - When people know the possibility that someone is trying to make them afk on purpose, they will be less likely to actually afk, more likely to remain in game and report the person in question
: So imagine you are exploiting this. You try to abuse someone to ragequit in your promos. How are you going to abuse him without getting 5-6 reports? Verbal abuse? He can mute you. If you troll your promos so someone ragequits and you don't get a loss, you probably will get banned by all the reports, because people can see you do it intentionally and will flag you.
If you are ELOboosting an account, will you jeopardize that account's security and therefore your order and credibility as an ELObooster? Will that not hurt the ELOboosting service? So the whole thing being implemented is a gain for regular players and a loss for the ELOboosting service which is another gain for the players?
Cypherous (EUW)
: By forcing someone to ragequit by abusing them etc, it encourages behaviour that we don't want
So imagine you are exploiting this. You try to abuse someone to ragequit in your promos. How are you going to abuse him without getting 5-6 reports? Verbal abuse? He can mute you. If you troll your promos so someone ragequits and you don't get a loss, you probably will get banned by all the reports, because people can see you do it intentionally and will flag you.
: Make promo games where you had an afk repeatable!
How will ELO boosters abuse this? How will they get someone in their game to afk when it doesn't work if the afk is in a duoQ?
Cypherous (EUW)
: > I don't understand how this hasn't been implemented yet. With the sheer number of afks, having 2 afks in a row during your promos is so easy to happen. Because its exploitable is why And if i have to explain how then you really aren't qualified to make these sorts of suggestions :P
How is it exploitable if duos can't do it? The afk gets punished. Who are you going to convince to afk for you so you don't lose your promo? Are you going to afk and get 20 min queues so a random doesn't lose his promo? How many people in this community would do that?
Rioter Comments
Declined (EUNE)
: You **right click** onto the cmd window and select the paste option Maybe this syntax will be easier for you * Copy this > tracert prod.euw1.lol.riotgames.com > "%USERPROFILE%\desktop\TracertEUW.txt" * Open cmd * Paste it, using the **right mouse button** to click and select paste. It should take a few minutes to complete. When you're done I'd also like a process list. Same procedure using cmd, just this time copy this. > tasklist /v > "%USERPROFILE%\desktop\Process.txt" *Both files should be located on your desktop as a txt file. * Go to [pastebin.com](http://pastebin.com/) and paste the content there * Set the expiration date to 1 week * Submit it * Please submit them separately. * Share the links with us by pasting it into this thread.
http://pastebin.com/wJKGUEde - Trace http://pastebin.com/WHHCY8wg - Process what I meant in my earlier post is that I did manage to copy paste it but it didn't run the trace because of a syntax error it did run this trace though
Declined (EUNE)
: Greetings Creative Source, Good news is that you've managed to isolate the problem a bit further using the HSS. For good meassure I'd like a trace. * Press the [Windows Key] (that is the key on the left side of the space bar, between ctrl and alt) + R * Type cmd in the search bar and click "Ok". You should now see a black window with white letters * Highlight and copy the following command: > (tracert 185.40.65.1) > \"%USERPROFILE%\Desktop\Tracert.txt\" or > (tracert 162.249.72.1) > \"%USERPROFILE%\Desktop\Tracert.txt\" * Paste this into the cmd window (black box with white letters) by right clicking and selecting "Paste". Do not use the Ctrl+V shortcut as it will not work! * Depending on your connection, the trace may take 5-15 minutes to complete. A text file with the Tracert log will be created on your Desktop when it finishes * Open it using notepad or a similar program * Select everything (ctrl + A) and copy it * Go to [pastebin.com](http://pastebin.com/) and paste the content there * Set the expiration date to 1 week * Submit it * Share the link with us *** What I'm about to suggest kindda makes this tracer less usefull, but if it works there's no need to continue troubleshooting. So if you're up for it, I'd like for you to reset your networking settings back to default, and that should hopefully solve this problem. * open cmd using administrator privileges * type in or copy paste (right click on the cmd window to paste, do not use ctrl + v) > netsh winsock reset * Restart your computer Let me know how this turns out.
I used the netsh winsock reset and restarted my computer but the problem persists if I'm not using Hotspot Shield. I also tried to run the trace but it gave me a syntax error when I copy pasted it in cmd, I tried without the quotation mark and without the slash. How exactly do I write it in so I can upload it so you can see
Declined (EUNE)
: Greetings Creative Source, You say you've used the Hextech Repair Tool, but what exactly have you used it for? (it has multiple functions) If you haven't already I suggest using the repair function first. I'd like to test if this is your connection first, so in order to do that please download HotSpot Shield (HSS) which is a program that is used to test your connection routing path in very specific cases. You can download the tool [HERE](https://www.hotspotshield.com/). * Download & Install HotSpotShield * Let it update * Try to launch the LoL-Patcher as an admin * Enter and spend some time in a custom game. Let me know how it goes, and if it still fail, I'd like a detailed explanation, and will probably ask for some logs depending on what you say.
The problem is from my network, but I don't know what exactly. I have no trouble playing other online games like Call of Duty or CS:GO. I played LoL from a laptop in another city on another network and there were no problems. Now I'm back home and I downloaded HotSpotShield - there were no problems with chat or connecting to a game, but my ping in game was 500+ and unplayable so I had to disable it to play while in game - but I can't actually start a game without it. How do I fix this so I don't have to use this?
Valzuuuh (EUW)
: Hello, have you tried to disable your antivirus/Windows firewall/3rd party firewall integrated to your antivirus? If even these doesn't help, i recommend you to contact support.
my firewall is disabled and my antivirus as well
Rioter Comments
Subrunc (EUW)
: Logging onto chat service...
Riot, please address this problem immediately. I also tried everything, including reinstalling the game twice, restarting my router a couple of times, my computer too, flushing dns, changing dns to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, stopping IP Helper, changing date to an older date and a future date, using hextech tool, deleting my account file from preferences folder, pretty much everything I could find on the internet about the problem. I can log into my account but it doesn't connect me to chat and if it does, it disconnects me the second I try to start a game. I get constant errors saying "Can't connect to PVP.NET server", I can't start a ranked game because it disconnects me (can't even pick a role). Somehow I managed to play a game earlier today and it didn't memorize my masteries and I had to play Riven with Thresh masteries. Can somebody please help me? Because this thread is months old and there hasn't been a single answer from Riot.
: Is it just me or does Aurelion Sol's kit feel very sloppily designed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X8qIsXqwD4 at 4:40 how is that not completely awesome?
: Do you guys enjoy Aurelion Sol?
I just bought him and guess what hes disabled
Adama (EUW)
: What did you get in your free hextech chest?
I got Blood Moon Akali, time to spam the shit out of her and make soloQ cry
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Rioter Comments
: Difference between physcological warfare and unsportsman-like behaviour
I don't think it's bad, psychological warfare adds intense depth to the game, just keep things in the game and don't comment about cancer and people's relatives, etc.
: AT least his dmg can be avoided. However you can't do anything about him eating whatever target you want to kill... I think it's not good design when a champion can actually hardcounter every single ability and every single assassin in the entire game by hitting his W key.
It is good design, because you can bait the skill out and while the person he's eaten is unable to do anything you can focus somebody else. Imagine you are Talon and you jump on enemy MF with E but you dont use combo, he eats her and while she is in him she can't deal damage to your team so you ult to reposition next to enemy midlaner like Brand for instance and you instakill him or pop his Zhonya and your team wins the fight because MF didn't deal damage in the crucial seconds and Brand didn't use his combo in time, as well as Tahm not stunning or tanking or doing anything because he has MF. Also I've played Riven and flash ult stunned into enemy team only to get eaten by my own Tahm before I can do anything because he thought I would die lol. The problem I have is that Tahm Kench can deal as much damage as a bruiser toplaner while being tankier and being a support.
: Hey Tahm is so fun to play against :P Riot admits they effed up a bit and he will be getting some nerfs in the not too distant future. Until then you can either play him yourself (trollololoool) or just ban him. I mean he's not uber impossible to play against but very unfun (especially that he legit counters every single skill in the game by just eating whatever ally you're trying to kill)... So fear not - he will get some nerfs soon(tm)
The eating is fine and can do more harm than good if the Tahm is bad, it separates the bad from good players. The damage is what I want to see nerfed, it's just unfair.
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Jarwan (EUW)
: Armour needs to mean something
Randuins + Dead Mans or thornmail completely butchers ADCs right now. Last Whisper's upgrades give so little armor penetration compared to before.
: Yasuo Bugs?
I don't think this is a bug from the champion himself, I believe it's server lag I see people complaining after this patch about server lag and it could cause this. You think you windwalled in time but the server doesn't register it that way, same with the Q I guess
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DireXcon (EUNE)
: What if you are a mage, he stuns you and oneshots you only using R? :o well that's retarded. A {{champion:69}} main.
Honestly I don't see how he can even farm against a Cassiopea, if you hit one q while he tries to last hit he will lose at least 50% hp from fangs or will use stun which takes like 30% of his mana while you freefarm. Also if you build full glass cannon AP against THE antimage then you deserve to be one shotted, try getting an Abyssal or barrier/exhaust and Veigar will die before he can kill you.
NIDΛLEE (EUW)
: Why Riot thinks I'm a troll
Teemo is actually a really strong champion but his lame model and voice is the reason I don't play him. I got Astronaut Teemo from a mystery gift once but it's still fking annoying. Omega Squad though... if I had that skin I would master this champion, it really turns him into a menacing looking yordle, the fx are awesome and his voice is changed.
: Nerf that fucking Veigar for god sake
what if there was an item that removed all stuns and debuffs and also gave magic resist
: LOL What is that Riven win rate?!
When noobs keep rushing CDR Boots and Cleaver of course they will get stomped. People forget that while Riven scales very good with CDR, her primary stat is AD. Get the hammer, then rush Hydra and CD Boots, finish Youmuu and THEN go Cleaver. If anything her powerspikes are even earlier now, just adapt and get used to not having full CDR with just an item and CD boots.
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: Lagging this entire patch
Same here, I went in for a game yesterday and updated and I had 1 second delays on my skills etc. It was completely unplayable, so I just left the game to spare my team my feeding and went to play CS:GO where I don't have any lag. I would go in for a trade, my screen would freeze when I press a skill and after 1 second unfreeze and enemy has already landed 3 autos and a skill before I could even do anything.
: play diana into her on top lane....... destroy her early and mid game, never let her reach late game if you got fiora, i can show you why diana is such a pain for fiora to deal with in lane and then afterwards
This is a skill matchup, Fiora can dodge your Qs with her Q and remove your passive dmg with W to win trades even through shield
: ***
The sole reason Riven exists as a champion in LoL is to serve a role like natural selection in real life She stomps everybody who can't handle the game and everybody who knows what to do stomps her
: It means you're challenjour
I don't wanna be challenjour then I wanna play lol
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JQKAndrei (EUW)
: Why should you ever lose trades early when at level 1 you have 3 skills and the enemy has 1?
bad idea to trade lvl 1 as Riven
Northmund (EUW)
: I smell RIven main bullshit here.
I am a Riven main, yes. Why?
Bazzo (EUW)
: About cs Riven
Except when they post it on the side on Ebay for 400$ they will have higher earnings than any other skin they sell officially
: assasins ? they didnt go alongside mages and adcs. they got nerfed down to zero. one by by one. slowly and painfully. starting with dfg removal, continuing with R.I.P.s on fizz akali katarina, then generally all assassins got nerfed with the change into tanky meta. atm assassins have like 45% win ratio. thats why all of a sudden we see mages midlane like anivia viktor veigar etc. they didnt get buffed. assassins just got riped. #neverforget
Assassins are still so strong, especially LeBlanc, Fizz, Zed and Talon Akali not so anymore, but still unstoppable when she gets rolling.
Èxodia (EUNE)
: Juggernauts
I agree that Darius and Mordekaiser are overpowered at the moment and need an immediate fix The rest can be outplayed, Skarner you can buy QSS if he focuses you with ulti, Fiora you need to not lose your dmg or CC to her W (especially CC is fatal cause she CCs you instead), Garen doesn't deal dmg in lane anymore though he is strong in teamfights and is now harder to ignore. I think Mordekaiser's Q damage should be nerfed hard because he only needs a Triforce to stack that damage to 1500+, on top of that with his damage is so strong early he and his team can do dragon very early and they can grab Baron with it as well as soon as it spawns. He takes no poke in lane because of his shield. You can't really kite him even if you counter him as Kalista because a smart Mordekaiser will pick exhaust and you won't be able to escape him, he also has insane movement speed with W. I also think Fiora ulti shouldn't proc when the target is killed (that's what her real problem is). She can just ult a low hp target that will die anyway without any effort of hers, hit him once with Q and suddenly her whole team is healed for 1000+. I've never seen a Fiora proc ulti the way she is intended to, by hitting all vitals. And Darius... let's not talk about Darius, Riot even buffed him in teamfights because healing 500 on a low CD skill while having insane base damages is underpowered.
: is Aatrox good at the moment?
Very strong in my opinion vs most melees and you can max E when they counter you with Armor .
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cacarott (EUW)
: I know :D. One of my friends who is diamond told me not to pick Aatrox. I ended up 9/0 carrying the hell outta that game, which was before Sated was introduced :3
Aatrox with Sated and full AS (master yi runes) is just broken imo, it allows you build tanky items very early in the game and still have crazy damage because of Devourer, AS and W, and you become extremely hard to handle on top of all the dive ganks you can pull off with Aatrox and the easy solo drakes and later when you have like your 3rd item you can easy solo Baron. BTW Diamond doesnt mean shit unless its Diamond 1, I'm Diamond 5 peaked Diamond 3 and I can guarrantee that. :D Diamond 1 is a whole different level and maybe high Diamond 2, below that it's mostly boosted players and people who have given up on getting higher but for some reason still play ranked and go afk after FB, extremely negative. I've stopped playing ranked just to get away from all that negativity every game, soon I will get back on track and aim for Master tier.
cacarott (EUW)
: Btw as a Riven main can you give me any tips on how I can beat her in top with Aatrox? From my experience you can annihilate her but you need a good lead on her. The way I have been laning against her is basically poke with E and go in then she is low (abusing the fact that her sustain is weak). That is the best way that I know of and some tips would really help as I have been trying to get into top lane (I jungle 80% of the time)
A good Riven will max E and dodge/soak every single E of yours while she relies on her fast animation canceling to dish out damage to you. Assuming you run AS quints and AD marks on Aatrox you can afford to max W and rush Ninja Tabi and Sunfire in which case she won't be able to keep up with your insane W damage and she won't be able to burst you either. It's not good to build damage against a good Riven because she can burst you really fast with animation cancels, cancel your escape with her 3rd Q or W and generally outtrade you due to her AD scaling shield. If you do manage to get a first kill on her and you have enough gold for a Pickaxe you can get it and rush Hydra and attempt to burst her when her shield is down by stacking your 3rd hit on creeps, baiting her to attack you, using E to slow her so she wastes dashes and shield and then land the knockup + ulti and 3rd hit. If you don't land the knockup you will be in trouble. I still recommend going Sunfire because Aatrox has high base damage on W and high sustain even without lifesteal while the Sunfire gives additional damage and if a Riven can't burst you down and zone you she will actually be the one getting zoned. You can engage on her any time she tries to CS, just bait her shield out with E. Ninja Tabi is also the best early item because it reduces her full combo damage by 40%.
cacarott (EUW)
: Well you can get hard countered lol. But yea the champion is not everything. Plus that playing your fav champ will make you want to perform better :D
You might get hard countered but the chances are still in your favor most of the time because: 1. As you said, you love your champion, you know it in and out and you perform to the maximum of your ability, the game seems to flow effortlessly for you because you ENJOY IT!!! 2. You have experience with counters from the many games you played with the champion you love 3. The people who hardcounter you generally do not main the champion who counters you and thus do not share these traits, and will tilt hard when you beat them even though you are countered 4. If you can't trade at all in lane but you know your champion you will farm as much as you can and be more effective in skirmishes and teamfights than a person who has picked a champion just to win lane and doesn't understand how to execute fights properly. For example, I main Riven and Yasuo. So many times people vs my Riven pick Garen, Darius, Jax, Quinn - but since they have no real experience playing the matchup and I have hundreds of games of experience vs these matchups I always come out on top. I also know what to do in teamfights while I've seen for instance a Jax that got jungler assistance and managed to outscale me (can't win a 1v1 vs him) but later he would just engage teamfights as Jax and get blown up, throwing the game. Because he is inexperienced. Experience and mastery of a champion will always top a "tier list". The Tier list is only good if you actually master one of the champions on top, but that requires many games, you don't just pick it and expect to carry yourself cause it's God Tier. Jinx can be god Tier adc but if your position is shit you will die in fights and enemy Urgot main will dish out more damage than you!
Pentium2 (EUNE)
: I sometimes ask stuff because I am boread and interested in what ppl think.
cacarott (EUW)
: Ty but still, the only documented nerf are the changes to E and aa speed from passive. I see no other big nerf. So he was basically barely touched (until the recent buffs that is)?
I just checked and it appears my memory has mislead me. I remember that his early game damages got nerfed but I thought it was the W, turns out it was E. W is still technically nerfed because his passive early game was changed to give him 30% AS instead of 50%, maybe that's why I've remembered it that way. My point still stands though. If you think that something is powerful the way that you play it, keep playing it no matter if it's not recognized by the community - everybody will shut up when they see you performing better than them.
cacarott (EUW)
: You can probably reach challenger with anyone, but sometimes even in normals you get a lot of hate for playing someone "off meta". I have had hate for going Aatrox jungle, which was before sated was introduced (still do occasually, but I guess my champion mastery on him makes people chill a bit lol). But the nail in the meta coffin was that the other day we had an ad Kat top who wrecked a Dr Mundo, she was 6/0 in laning phase without me ever ganking top, while when the enemy jungle would gank, she would just get a double kill O.o Needless to say that Kat carried like hell lol, she even rushed an IE :3
I was flamed for picking Aatrox jungle back in S3 before Worlds or LCS I don't remember which tournament. My winrate with him was 16-4 and people would quickly shut up after I destroy the enemy team in game with brutal level 4 dives. Soon after he was picked in that tournament 5 games in a row and after that he was almost always banned. After the tournament, Riot nerfed his W damage hard. NEVER listen to anybody.
Eveninn (EUW)
: Why you shouldn't wonder about a champions viability.
The majority of these dumb questions come out of people not thinking for themselves and instead needing someone else to think for them instead. They need a "quick fix", they believe if they start playing a "God Tier" champion it will make them gain ELO without working hard. The truth is, you might gain ELO for a while with some champs - but you will hit a brick wall eventually where you MUST improve if you want to go higher. That is with any champion, it's about improving at the game itself. The champion is like, 30% of the game.
DELDE115 (EUW)
: you´re asking for something that is already in the game.
I'm not asking for another Dragonblade, I'm asking for a skin that has a warrior theme like Dragonblade but looks different like Blood Moon, Eternum, Project, etc. I have Dragonblade lol
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