Rioter Comments
: Wait out his E then you have 18 seconds of free farming. without hitting Q or E his W is basically useless if you stand inside your wave because he wont lock on to you.
prob is he rarely uses it. unles hes dumb or smth he knows when to trade.
: > yes but both skarner and malhazar will get chunked to death if they are not careful where they ult me. if they get betwen 4-5 people to ult one even if its skarner he can die out of it. so basicly means macro matter with these champions. if you int or facecheck then yeah but if you play it safe then your team has your back and you have theirs. Except none of that is guarenteed. Even in pro play people buy QSS on everyone when skarner is around, because all it takes is a single good ult to win the game... no matter how well your team plays there’s not much stopping skarner from getting that good ult. > ok in what you said in the 2d part where exactly is the trading part? all you said again is if you have qss you can escape his ult. which again im saying ok i can do that but what comes after since now i cannot trade with him or even farm properly. not to mention if im ganked and im half an item behind. And he can’t trade with you or kill you... and you forget that the game doesn’t revolve around kills. Yorick is a split pusher he wants to be shoving waves and taking towers, he doesn’t want people to come stop him... even if your maiden came with morde ult will be a death sentence when he gets his items because your trapped with him, QSS would save your life. Morde is designed to duel fighters later on, a yorick won’t win a 1v1 fight no matter what once he has items... so it really makes no difference whether you’ve brought a QSS or not besides the fact that QSS will save your life no other item will.
have you ever seen a yorick split push without his maiden close to him? hes dead vs any champ without her. and with qss im 1 item behind vs every champ on the enemy side. i wasted 1300 gold and possibly more to complete item for 1 single champ only bc he is designed in a way that he cant be beaten without a certain item. as for skaerner and malhazar that depends on your gameplay whenever they can kill you or not. if you roam without vision ur dead but if u bait them then its a problem to them. nomatter how you see this i see no reason to be on yorick side on this one and win
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: That's just it. I don't run up to heimer. i just farm those turrets. KILLS ARE NOT EVERYTHING. You main job is to 1) not die and 2) plain outscale, and avoid the turret taking as much damage as possible. and also, i don't go for all 3 turrets, i take em out 1 at a time, especially as nasus, since, his turret cooldown is longer than your cd's once they are taken out. And thats when heimer can't do much cause he has one spell down
how do you farm those turret when he chunks you down to half hp with my stun if you get close to him?
Rioter Comments
Rioter Comments
: > if i freeze he has the power to fast push and break it and reset the wave again while even stackng his armour at this poin. And when he walks up to shove the wave you sick your ghouls on him... if he’s just walked up to push that means he ain’t trading with you and he ain’t got any shield built up yet. The idea of freezes is that when they walk up to trade you bully them hard. > supposing that i can trade vs him as yorick without ult. you say morde has long cd but u dont think yorick does? my w is the same cd as his E pretty much and same goes with my E. as far as cd go i cant spam my abilites more then he can spam his. and what is more important he can outsustain me in a lane bc i will have mana probelms if i have more then 3 trades with him. Then you’ve got no problem. If you’d W is the same as his E every time he hits you with it you can W and walk away... he needs 3 hits to trade you can deny that. And your trade isn’t that mana costly 50 mana for E and 25 mana for your second Q... you can trade with him. And you don’t really need to worry about mana when sustaining again Q is a low mana cost and better sustain than morde W... start corrupting potion and you will have enough mana to win lane. > also you know that if he hits 3 times his passive activates so there i cant trade no more with him unless i got ghouls or maiden close. yorick relies on his maiden too much for it to be taken out by a single button nomatter how you look at it. Then don’t stand around getting hit. Yorick doesn’t need to close in, unless it’s an all in he can let his ghouls do most of the trading usually only getting a grasp proc in there... so most of the time morde will have no way to trade back. In an all in you need your maiden but do you need to all in, you out push, out scale, and will be more useful later on in the game. > late game a yorick without a maiden close is not even worth leaving base. Then get a QSS... your only excuse so far has been delaying core items so late game you’ve got no excuse.
again. if he is shoving means he is procing his shield and if i send my ghouls and back off myself means he gets shield to kill them and proceeds to push.and i got no other way of trading with him. im forced to back when he comes forward. my only excuese is that he is the only champ in the game who can deny yorick annie ivern and more champions their personal pets or turret or shrooms or whatever and i need a qss to protect my pets vs. there is no other champ in this game who can deny or cancel another champ pets or other personal set items.
: > not true at all. malhazar or skarner or whatever are still on the map so you can run from them. also during their ult they are still on the same map as us so if i got a team close and dont go roaming without vision i can deal with them. Your not always going to have your team close... and frankly skarner will get you if you try to run there’s not many champions who can outrun a righteous glory predator skarner. Not to mention in teamfights it’s still a long cc time, all it takes is a flash ult and you’ve lost the game. What you’ve mentioned are 50/50 chances, QSS is 100% chance... when it comes to something that will win or loose you the game you don’t take the chance. > again. if i get qss i cant trade with mordekaiser no more bc i used 1300 gold to buy an item that has no synergy with me no dmg no nothing. so ok i escape his ult but what do i do vs him in lane if i spend 1300 gold on qss. and not just him jungle too not to mention adc or midlaner when the game opens up. its too much gold to be spent only bc riot pulls a champion with an ult out of this game. Except you can... what you forget is I’m not saying first back get a QSS that’s stupid like I’ve said before early game his ult is pretty garbage outside of turning ganks around... even if you’ve been ulted just walk to your tower and you are safe he can’t keep you there. You buy your first power spike, then QSS, that means that once he’s actually got his first item and actually becomes a threat you can just walk away still. You buy these things when it becomes a threat, that means when morde gets first item and actually has sticking power rather than being the easiest champion to outplay.
yes but both skarner and malhazar will get chunked to death if they are not careful where they ult me. if they get betwen 4-5 people to ult one even if its skarner he can die out of it. so basicly means macro matter with these champions. if you int or facecheck then yeah but if you play it safe then your team has your back and you have theirs. ok in what you said in the 2d part where exactly is the trading part? all you said again is if you have qss you can escape his ult. which again im saying ok i can do that but what comes after since now i cannot trade with him or even farm properly. not to mention if im ganked and im half an item behind.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: spending 1300 gold living and then killing mordekaiser dying and having those 1300 gold items to trade with but still dying yes yes i have 70% win rate with morde because people don't buy qss the games i lose people optimize their builds for the game go figure that if you play properly and make the right item choices you can actually win more games Shock and Awe
again you are not listening. if i spend 1300 gold on qss means i gave up my ad so therefore i cant trade with him no more + enemy jungle who now is ahead of me. on a gank again im 2x voulnerable.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: You got to be kidding me? Why the %%%% should I wait for heimer to farm till I get ult, if I can just kill his turrets from level 1 and keep killing him. {{champion:122}} {{champion:254}} {{champion:420}} {{champion:75}} {{champion:77}} who is btw kliteable as fck and is a jungler(same as vi). Just to name a few lol. {{champion:141}} {{champion:62}}
how exactly do you kill him with darius and nasus? you know if you walk up all 3 tower will focus you and he will run around them. later in the game he has stun so it gets even worse.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: or you can wait for him to ult you and then spawn your things or buy QSS spawn your things and when he ults you you qss and you booty him
1300 gold spent on toplane for a mordekaiser ult? do you even know the cost of wasting 1300 gold toplane? means bye bye trades or even keeping up with the game anymore. you are playing from half item behind. right couse he is stupid to ult me when he is winning lane bc i dont have my maiden with me.
: Then buy the Counter to Mordes ult lol. QSS and all your problems are gone
1300 gold spent on toplane for a mordekaiser ult? do you even know the cost of wasting 1300 gold toplane? means bye bye trades or even keeping up with the game anymore. you are playing from half item behind.
: > supposing that what you said can somehow happend as if he does not have shield to not loose health vs my ghouls even if he is under turret he has the sustain so he can hold the tower off meaning i cant get any gold or anything meaning no lane winning. His shield requires charging and you can see how far it’s charged, trade when it’s empty and he ain’t gonna shield it (and if it’s below 5% max health when it comes off cooldown it will shoot up to that point, so you can even tell when it’s on and off cooldown if you need to Charging also requires heavy pushing if he’s not shoving constantly he can’t shield much His sustain is mutually exclusive to his shield he can’t have both, he also needs to push to sustain. If he’s under tower he ain’t gonna sustain much. Your still getting gold, more than he is assuming you’ve done it right (you shouldn’t be blindly pushing try freezing), your sustaining more than he is, you will last longer than him. And you outscale him... in a side lane there’s not many people who can match a yorick... don’t even need to fight him you can push two lanes at once. He will also loose the ability to kill you even in his ult... adaptive helm cuts all of his damage by 20% making him deal a lot less than you... you’ve also still got sustain and push come to shove W him to create room. > also if im pulled to him i got to activate ult to survive the 1 v 1 without ghouls. at this point he activates his and its a loosing trade for me. Once you have boots and phage you shouldn’t be struggling with that. Also his E is the only way for him to stick early game, until he gets a rylies you can just W and walk away. You can also trade with him with Q... don’t forget that morde has very little damage early game with long cooldowns and a lot of level scalings... so what ever he deals you can dish back... and your sustain is better than his so that’s a a won trade.
if i freeze he has the power to fast push and break it and reset the wave again while even stackng his armour at this poin. supposing that i can trade vs him as yorick without ult. you say morde has long cd but u dont think yorick does? my w is the same cd as his E pretty much and same goes with my E. as far as cd go i cant spam my abilites more then he can spam his. and what is more important he can outsustain me in a lane bc i will have mana probelms if i have more then 3 trades with him. also you know that if he hits 3 times his passive activates so there i cant trade no more with him unless i got ghouls or maiden close. yorick relies on his maiden too much for it to be taken out by a single button nomatter how you look at it. late game a yorick without a maiden close is not even worth leaving base.
: > but instead becouse of that 1300 gold i did not buy a tiamat or sheen or phage depending on the champ i cannot even trade with him even with my ult. theres the powerspike im talking about. in top lane gold cannot go to items that will benefit you for so little. top is about trading and most imporant keeping up with the enemy adc whenver its in armor or damage stats. buying qss means im behind enemy adc or midlaner or jungle who will gank alot now ,damage or armor wise and in 5 minutes when the game opens up you cannot afford to be in that place. But if your dying because of one ability, and there’s an item which negates that ability, you get it simple as that. You don’t buy it very first item obviously, you can play around the spell enough then and he lacks the ability to kill in lane with it (limited damage, limited ability to stay on you, and the area is big enough to get under tower at which point he can’t follow you). You can get your first powerspike then get QSS to negate his powerspike. Then you can trade with him, and he can’t counter your ult with his own... not that complicated tbh > lets be real here mordekaiser is really the only champ who you need that qqs with becouse nomatter your macro or map positioning when he ults its not a teamgame no more its just a 1 v 1. mordekaiser ult goes beyond the purpouse of the league game where positioning on a teamfight and macro tend to matter. {{champion:90}} {{champion:72}} ... hell forcing a QSS buy is called the skarner tax. {{champion:19}} {{champion:6}} {{champion:223}} can also be countered in the exact same way (to varying degrees of success, not as useful vs tahm but it’s a god save vs urgot and one no one really knows about) Think about it, these ultimates are game winning abilities, and there exists an item which hard counters them... surely that means that QSS is a game winning item.
not true at all. malhazar or skarner or whatever are still on the map so you can run from them. also during their ult they are still on the same map as us so if i got a team close and dont go roaming without vision i can deal with them. again. if i get qss i cant trade with mordekaiser no more bc i used 1300 gold to buy an item that has no synergy with me no dmg no nothing. so ok i escape his ult but what do i do vs him in lane if i spend 1300 gold on qss. and not just him jungle too not to mention adc or midlaner when the game opens up. its too much gold to be spent only bc riot pulls a champion with an ult out of this game.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: You ask? pretty much any toplaner. Hell, i've played tryndamere into heimer. Was super annoying but still dealable.
tryndamere can deal with him bc of ult ok. what about others? which one exaclty? what original toplaner you think deals good with him?
Rioter Comments
: Mordekaiser R Akali interaction.
lmao i should have guessed right off the bat when you commented on my disscusion that you were one of those morde players xd. while i dont like akali i do stand by the fact that morde's ult needs to be changed to allow pets and personal items into the void.
: > how do you bait morde into his ult with yorick who relies so hard on his R to deal damage? > if you are ahead you cannot ult to finish him couse he cancels it. if he is ahead then he can ult and kill you nomatter your ult. > ghouls and maiden are 80% of yoricks damage and therefore need to be inside that cage for it to be a fair trade. same goes for illaoi or annie or any other champs with pets or aditional items that belong to that champ. Thing is yorick doesn’t need to kill in order to win lane, nor does he need his ult to trade. Yorick trades by summoning his ghouls using his Q then using E and W to force them to take damage... morde really struggles vs that his attacks aren’t that fast andd ghouls are heavily resistant to AoE. He cannnot trade back against that. His only way to stop that is to ult at which point you answer with your own ult. If he doesn’t ult he will be forced back to base and you do yorick stuff > same goes for illaoi or annie or any other champs with pets or aditional items that belong to that champ. Illaoi can cancel morde ult with her own as it’s unstoppable. Annie shouldn’t be dropping tibbers unless she needs instant cc or she has kill pressure and can full combo during the cc so morde wont be able to do much vs Annie > ivern is the more realistic champ who relies on his ult to deal damage more then every other ability. take it away from him and you got what? just a mouse in a trap. but we call it balanced in rito. Ivern is a support, he has no damage with or without daisy nor can he 1v1 anyone let alone morde. So it’s a moot point, morde doesn’t need ult to kill Ivern Ivern also buys support items, so low in core stats, so morde gets very little value out of ulting him there.
supposing that what you said can somehow happend as if he does not have shield to not loose health vs my ghouls even if he is under turret he has the sustain so he can hold the tower off meaning i cant get any gold or anything meaning no lane winning. also if im pulled to him i got to activate ult to survive the 1 v 1 without ghouls. at this point he activates his and its a loosing trade for me.
: Also you can save your maiden until he ults. And why is it bad to have a Counter to this champions.
becouse maiden and ghouls are a big part of yorick's kit and they cannot be canceled out of a mordekaiser ult. yorick is left with nothing but a q to deal with him inside the cage. you cannot save your ult vs mordekaiser becouse to kill him in a trade or even force him to ult yorick definitly needs maiden for that. by counter you mean just delete off the map? where else in the while league game u seen that happend?
Rioter Comments
: > Imagine you're playing someone like Ornn or Irelia,you're dueling and everything is chill. You almost beat him just need to cast your ult to finish it off. You press r and you see Irelia throwing a hail of blades but just at that moment Mordeakiser ults and poof your ult is gone,you lose the duel then he proceeds to smack your entire team because you gave him a lead. Actually these are unrealistic... morde’s cast time is too long to dodge abilities with it so if morde attempted to do this he’d be hit by the ult and be marked allowing irelia I to fight him. Orrn is more realistic but firstly remember anyone with hard cc can stop his redirect, secondly if morde tries to ult Orrn he can just use W to go unstoppable and ignore it... Orrn is actually a counter to morde for that reason. > Now take someone like Yorick,Illaoi,Ivern for example. Yeah you're dueling again,you almost got him woooo,you ult and summon the gang/bff/tentacles but just at then,Mordekaiser ults. He ults and your main source of damage is gone, because he ulted you not anyone or anything else. Then you watch as the metal storm from his passive shreds you to pieces because there is nothing to be done. He "outplayed" you. But then this is being outplayed... how is it any different than trying to ult a sivir who has her spell shield up... you bait morde into his ult then you use these Illaoi in particular is unstoppable during her ult animation, so if morde tries to ult her she can ult to block it. > Can you make it so that Mordekaiser's ult only brings the target's "summons/projectiles/pets"? It feels so unfair to lose a big chunk of your power just because of his ult. You're probably going to say "buy QSS!". Well buddy let me tell you something. Maybe you can as a jungler,midlaner or as an adc. But most of the toplaners cannot afford to delay their powerspikes like that. Toplane really is an island and toplaners need every ounce of power they can get to compete with the opposing ADC. If you do get a QSS when winning,that's ok but when you are not strong or losing,that's the final nail in the coffin for you. Hell,alot of toplaners cannot even utilize QSS properly because what it builds into is not compatible with half the roster. But you can buy a QSS, yeah it delays a power spike but it removes the majority of morde’s power... in a 1v1 he’s now stuck only having 3 abilities... that basically means he can’t fight you anymore allowing you to get an advantage that no other item would afford you. 100% worth it
how do you bait morde into his ult with yorick who relies so hard on his R to deal damage? if you are ahead you cannot ult to finish him couse he cancels it. if he is ahead then he can ult and kill you nomatter your ult. ghouls and maiden are 80% of yoricks damage and therefore need to be inside that cage for it to be a fair trade. same goes for illaoi or annie or any other champs with pets or aditional items that belong to that champ. ivern is the more realistic champ who relies on his ult to deal damage more then every other ability. take it away from him and you got what? just a mouse in a trap. but we call it balanced in rito.
: Thing is that against morde QSS becomes a power spike... morde looses his ult so he’s stuck on 3 abilities while you have 4 which in a 1v1 translates to a massive advantage. That makes it worth the gold and item slot
but instead becouse of that 1300 gold i did not buy a tiamat or sheen or phage depending on the champ i cannot even trade with him even with my ult. theres the powerspike im talking about. in top lane gold cannot go to items that will benefit you for so little. top is about trading and most imporant keeping up with the enemy adc whenver its in armor or damage stats. buying qss means im behind enemy adc or midlaner or jungle who will gank alot now ,damage or armor wise and in 5 minutes when the game opens up you cannot afford to be in that place. lets be real here mordekaiser is really the only champ who you need that qqs with becouse nomatter your macro or map positioning when he ults its not a teamgame no more its just a 1 v 1. mordekaiser ult goes beyond the purpouse of the league game where positioning on a teamfight and macro tend to matter. even illoi who has a stupid ult is still on the map and therefore can be beaten if in a bad positon at the cost of no lives or qss or zhonya.
Scoliidae (EUW)
: I think it's so actual new players don't get overwhelmed. I know it's often a disadvantage, but let's be honest... most players under level 10 who are actually playing for the first time don't know what's happening anyway. They left the easy spells and then once you learn a bit, you get more and can try out other things. Smite is a weird thing... I don't think new players are supposed to play jungle? They played against bots their first games where the bot-team has two top - maybe they're supposed to do the same? Idk. I get your point though.
and i get yours but lets be real if you are a new player even if they are avaible you wont really test them right away until you learn what you are doing. its like runes. even people in silver or gold dont know how to use em properly sometimes but still they got to be there so when you loose its on you not on game dis-advantages. becouse teams with no smite and flash get to play with teams with smite and flash and there is where its all messy.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: lmao. I usually never have problem with heimer as long as I don't %%%% up. he can't put the turrets infinetly, they are on 17 second BASE cooldown. his powerspike is at level 9 and most heimer's don't level turrets.
: It has a Mana cost
very low though. i killed over 10 of his turrets and his mana was still at 90%. my health was at 40% with garen meanwhile. his w and e have mana costs i know but i wish they would nerf w e mana and give turrets the difference. so spamming turrets actually costs him smth.
: Nerf Mordekaiser or change how his ult functions
and you are even more right about mordekaiser interacting with illaoi and yorick or annie ult. already made a post about this and the riot angry community downvoted me before they even read it.
Kazasumi (EUW)
: actually GP oranges remove the ult the same way quicksilver does. this guy literally told you to play GP if you cant spare the 1300 to buy the item. as a toplaner complaining about mordekaiser you should know this. unless you started complaining about stuff without doing some actual research first to see if you really cant do shit. play lane bullies, gangplank or spare the 1300 if you need to.... but dont try to play a victim when you're the one not doing it correctly
he is not wrong. for many top laners qss does not interact well with their kit and 1300 gold may not seem like much but they are the difference between a half item and full item. if you are behind on the game you cant afford to buy an item like qss for 1300 gold when mordekaiser is not the only problem on the enemy team. you need the armor and dmg and the mr depending on the situation before you can even think of qss. as he said spending 1300 gold only becouse riot created an ultimate who does not even connect to the word teamplay or same universe means delaying your powerspite and therefore your enemy adc will tear you apart faster.
Rioter Comments
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: Lol, they have a cooldown. so kill them first and heimer is pretty much useless. dodging his abilities is the real trick
except he has 3 of them all the time. killing one means health 25% down if you are melee bc you get in the range of all 3. i dont want their dmg less or anything i simply want mana so he does not spam them. i know his w e have alot of mana cost but they got to put some more on turret placing.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: 1 q=no heimer turrets
2 q and when you reach one all 3 focus on you
SuperJunk (EUW)
: am i talking about stuns ? i said only turrets without E and W are nothing
no they are not. to melee they poke to death in the first 15 min.
SuperJunk (EUW)
: you talk about mana ? riven and yasuo litteraly have 0 mana and 1-3s cooldown on abilities, stil nobody adds mana on them, and heimerdinger is a champ which need skill to hit his W, E, W+R, E+R, and turrets which are dying from 1-2 basic attack, and are doing less damage than minions, are not that important, turret damage comes from lasers when heimer hits abilities
less dmg then minions? 1 single stun from him costs me as a darius half hp and if i try to walk up even more ill die before i reach him.trading dmg is not a problem for heimer. never has been. and yasuo and riven are not ranged that i cant get close to. not gonna say they dnt need some fixes but mana is not the thing with both of them. you got off topic
Rioter Comments
: Also a big problem i didnt even mentioned is how overpowered and unfun Klepto is in a meele/ranged match up lol and i can tell you exactly why they downvoted it. If we now started to play bruisers in midlane and on adc or support they would instantly be nerfed out of that role because of the cryout of the people. Only toplane is allowed to be abused as a non meta field for every midlaner to have as a second role to terorize people with mages or assassins like akali.
yeah that too i agree to with at some point. but trust me the more you add on 1 single topic the more people can find a reason to downvote it. so many people here who downvote even before they read anything so keeping it simple its good to be heard.
: > [{quoted}](name=Salron88,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=q6hlimE4,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-06-24T01:25:21.779+0000) > > that is true. champions with poke no win toplane not like it used to be before. but i guess we cant ask for all good things at once so im sticking with atleast tahm kench fix this time That's the kind of mindset that got us here. They messed the things up so much and the least amount of fixing they could possibly do is acceptable to us
funny thing though its the community in this boards is so ready to downvote every complain. its like riots personal army is on the move. i made another kench post it went to -6 pretty quicky. xd
: I'm sorry but you're just a pretty bad player, and also a crying one, and I'm done replying your wrong arguments
and since you cant say anything to counter me lets go back to the old you are bad so im leaving type of thing. nothing new really
: Toplane gets more frustrating to play patch by patch
its funny that i have mentioned this stuff so many times and got downvoted everytime. hoping this thread gets more lucky lol. mages being kinda stupid and melee toplaners sucking big time atm its been a thing for such a long time and yet nobody can wake up and fix it.
Rioter Comments
: More like a dead one... you don’t understand counterplay or the fact that the game isn’t just laning phase.
if by counterplay you mean 1 champ who shuts down all the original top laners that we have to revert to ranged picks then no thats not something anyone would include in their game.
: If that’s happening your just plain bad. Tahm can never dive a jax... like I said his damage comes from his autos, your E ruins him... you are also way more mobile. You shouldn’t be that far behind in exp as you can still soak during a freeze You can get your jungler to help break a freeze Like I said before your E stops his damage output so you can fully fight him if he missteps As soon as you hit 15 mins he loses effectiveness... jax beats him late in s fight, jax teamfights better than him, he pushes towers better than him... litterally you can do whatever you want and be fine tahm is a glorified support outside of lane he ain’t really gonna be doing much
again its an early game not a late game meta and you need to understand that my E is on 15 sec cd . means if i use it now i got to stay under turret basicly for 15 sec. he can spam his autos anytime i get close and i waste my without anything in return and mana loss. so where do i win in this tradE?
: Have you really reposted... you ain’t getting s better reply doing this. Like I’ve to,d you probably 10 times now, riot can’t just randomly nerf tahm due to his support position, they have to be careful with it otherwise tahm dies. Thank god you aren’t in charge of balancing the games you’d just kill every champion at the slightest sight of strengh
yeah and it would have turned out to be a really beautiful game
Hananim (EUW)
: So we just gonna keep whining despite someone telling you how to counter the champ? So we just gonna keep crying despite the fact that ban phase exists? Edit: Gangplank absolutely crushes tahm kench in korea atm, hes the single most popular counterpick.
counter him by throwing to trash 80% of the toplaners. ok thats whining.
: Except that only applies to champions who are capable of snowballing... tahm ain’t one of them. His damage scales really badly, he can’t hold up in the side lane, and he can’t teamfight for shit... he’s another support outside of lane, if it’s your support who’s snowballing you are kinda screwed. His win rate drops considerably after 15 mins... which means if you don’t win within 15 mins you’ve got about a 47% chance of winning (only down from 51% though)... he’s not that good at anything other than abusing melee match ups, what do you think happens when he’s forced against the ranged champins instead
except in 15 min you are somehow 3 lvl behid him bc he freezes minion wave his side and wont let you aproach to reset it . and before you know it he kills you under turret and takes tier 1 and 2 togethe r
Scoliidae (EUW)
: The cooldown on his devour, which was the main point of him as a support, got doubled and his movement speed reduced. If you eat an ally, you are at a higher risk. Before another nerf, he could cast his ult in battle to escape with a teammate (like ryze) but they got rid of that. So the two main points are gone. Nothing he does is better than other support options. Having to hit an enemy four time for a devour or five for a short stun? Can rather pick most other tanks that have some kind of CC immediately.
ofc he got nerfed bc he was stupid took 5 people to kill him for 15 sec. im sorry you ppl loved the super buffed kench and now you feel he is nerfed but is no reason to throw him toplane where with the right gold amount he is still buffed
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: can't agree less. point of tahm, kench vs jax matchup is to bait out jax e, so he can't dodge your passive stacks. so all jax has to do is the exact opposite: just not use it when engaging but instead when tahm commits
i know the matchup very well. ok so i used my e now what. i need 15 sec to get back in there and in the mean time he has farmed up double my minions
: Oh boy you really suck against Tahm don't you? But matey I suck hard against some champs such as Yuumi, Lux and Blitzcrank and I don't blame it on the champ but on my own ability to deal with the champ with proper positioning and mechanics and by having a decent champion pool mastered to be able to be versatile playing against them.
no its just the champ that its stupid. bruh you are mentioning totally normal champs and comparing them to tahm kench. i get the trap you are going for but it makes no sense. not 1 of those champions can shut down your lane.
: > except he recived great buffs lately so his toplane is not fine like it has been for years. Then why the hell would riot need to choose between top or support or rework him... if he’s only an issue cause of a buff then he won’t be an issue anymore with the correct nerf... riot just need to choose it carefully so they don’t kill support tahm. > jax cant do anything. kench will simply freeze at his side and stay betwen you and the minions. same goes for yorick and nasus. he has the power to force you off the wave whenever he wants and gain the lvl and item advantage. But that’s only in lane... as soon as lane ends you’re stronger than him. He’s only strong if the game only consisted of laning phase... once he’s out of laning phase he’s pretty useless. And like I said you press E and he can’t do anything, tahm is extremely auto attack reliant he can’t do much if he doesn’t auto attack (which is why attack speed runes are common on him), jax gets to ignore auto attacks... so the entirety of a trade jax gets to restrict tahm’s damage out put to just his Q.
as soon as? have you seen the meta these past 3 yearS? its always about who snowballs early. late game does not matter at all.
Scoliidae (EUW)
: Thea basically gutted him as a support. If they nerf his toplane now as well, where should he go? Mid?
he is still supper playable as support what are you talking about
Rioter Comments
: Dude stop filling the river with your tears, it's overflood. Yorick and Renekton are good against Tahm if they can use their brain just a little. Fiora, Jax, Aatrox and Darius can win if they know when to farm and when to fight Tahm (Darius with Hail of blades can trade Tahm a lot, while Darius with Conquerors can try to force an early first blood against Tahm if he manages to get lvl 2 first). Fiora can reflect Tahm's Q stun, which is easy as %%%%, or even block Tahm's W if you manage to time it right. Aatrox should just stay behind minions and harass with Q and Q+E and avoid fighting him unless he has harassed Tahm enough. Jax is weak until he manages to get some items and lvl 6, but even if he loses early he can easily make a comeback, but should play safe early anyways (or try to get advantage with ganks made by the jungler, roaming or invading a weak enemy jungler if you have vision). Nasus has early issues but can recover around level 6 or sooner if he builds phage or some mr+hp. In the later minutes of lane phase Nasus is stronger than Tahm as his W really %%%%s Tahm because of the AS reduction and the MR y ou should have. Garen and Riven usually suck against Tahm, but hey not every champ can beat everything, right? Anyways there are a lot of tough and useful matches for Tahm at top such as Gnar, Teemo, Kled, Kennen, Karma, Vayne, Quinn, Gangplank... (it's funny how many yordles are strong against him, dayum). Maybe you should learn how to play around and against Tahm instead of just playing wrong and then crying about how strong he is. It's like saying Illaoi is op just because you don't know how to play in lane against her xd
illaoi does not have enough gray health for me to spam my abilities at her behind minions for 15 sec and still be at 70% no yorick and renekton cant do much vs that champ either. yorick ghouls + 2 q equal barely 20% of his normal health. then what? renkton barely takes 40% of his normal health if he is full rage which to achive means kench has to be real stupid not to poke him to dealth with autos. jax and nasus cant deal with kench even at 2 items. bc by that time he is full tank even dealing magic dmg if you are close to him. so basicly half of the champions cant deal with him at all and the other half barely make it alive but im crying.
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