: I suck at my main. Should I give up?
I already said, that if I play other champs I do decent/good. Examples: enemy ban/picks Riven, I went Fiora and carried hard (13/3). Same story if I play MF for examples. Now MF is brain dead if you have a good team comp, just be careful of your position in teamfights, and as soon as someone gets a good CC: boom go in and get your full R out, done you mostly won the teamfight. Fiora is a different story, she isn't really brain dead. yet I can carry with those 2 on a good amount of my games. Therefore, my general game knowledge is ok for my ELO, not saying it is GREAT but just ok to climb at my low elo. So IMO there's no point in playing stupidly easy champs (Garen, Malph, Annie, MF etc) [which I also find boring as H E L L compared to Riven] since it seems that I got what it takes to climb. Just I can't do it on Riven, which is the champ I truly enjoy to play. FML!
PhilTaken (EUW)
: I was just saying that split push can work really well and if u tell ppl to do the correct stuff while pulling 3 ppl thats a great way to carry. You need tiamat/similatr for that tho. I imagine it may be somewhat easier to split as riven with her mobility compared to yorick and if it works for me why not for you? {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}}
> [{quoted}](name=PhilTaken,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6Zm9qqzX,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-06T17:43:10.163+0000) > > I was just saying that split push can work really well and if u tell ppl to do the correct stuff while pulling 3 ppl thats a great way to carry. You need tiamat/similatr for that tho. > > I imagine it may be somewhat easier to split as riven with her mobility compared to yorick and if it works for me why not for you? > {{sticker:slayer-jinx-catface}} As I said, in my experience splitpushing doesn't work for me. I am not good enough to 1v2, 1v3 etc regularly. I have to HOPE that my teammates have a brain and actually understand that 1-2 enemies is dueling me top, so they can force objectives on the rest of the map. I may not pick the right times to split, I must admit. But I found out I have the most impact on my games by teamfighting.
PhilTaken (EUW)
: Actually I found quite a lot of success with yorick pure split (at least in norms I got 90% winrate, in rankeds ppl are just dumb - at least in my elo heh). I pretty much always stomp lane if I dont get camped and draw at least 3 when im standing in their base and quite often I win 2/3v1s just because ppl far underestimate maiden's power and yorick q past {{item:3078}}. I just always have to beg my team to go get objectives and not get picked one by one while I split but when they do what u tell them to while powerfarming urself it's pretty much a free win. In ranked ppl dont do that. They go in one by one and focus the ulting alistar while the 1.2k ap {{champion:45}} is sitting back and throwing (yes im salty cuz of last game) while ur adc does less dmg than crab and dont get me started on teemo - delete that shit. I win lane farm-wise and get tower while he didnt even scratch mine and he pops off later cuz he spams r
> [{quoted}](name=PhilTaken,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6Zm9qqzX,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-03-05T21:29:55.411+0000) > > Actually I found quite a lot of success with yorick pure split (at least in norms I got 90% winrate, in rankeds ppl are just dumb - at least in my elo heh). I pretty much always stomp lane if I dont get camped and draw at least 3 when im standing in their base and quite often I win 2/3v1s just because ppl far underestimate maiden's power and yorick q past {{item:3078}}. > > I just always have to beg my team to go get objectives and not get picked one by one while I split but when they do what u tell them to while powerfarming urself it's pretty much a free win. > > In ranked ppl dont do that. They go in one by one and focus the ulting alistar while the 1.2k ap {{champion:45}} is sitting back and throwing (yes im salty cuz of last game) while ur adc does less dmg than crab > > and dont get me started on teemo - delete that shit. I win lane farm-wise and get tower while he didnt even scratch mine and he pops off later cuz he spams r Uh... how is this relevant to my initial post?
: I suck at my main. Should I give up?
I never go glass cannon build. I'm not that good at picking the right moment to go in, so if I go glass cannon, the first soft CC that gets on me, I'm dead. I usually follow u.gg builds, adapting some items to the game: {{item:3071}} first, even tho the build path now is kinda "meh" Boots depending if they have lots of AD or AP {{item:3812}} second From here it's usually {{item:3026}} or any key-item (QSS, Maw etc). I almost never reach 4 complete items (not including boots), games usually are already over at that point. Also, I almost never build {{item:3142}} or {{item:3147}}. Only if they are all squishies I know I can flash in and delete 2 of them at least. So it's a "standard" bruiser build. I never findmyself building Hydra, mainly because I feel like it's never the right time to do that. In my low elo splitpushing isn't really a thing (you splitpush? gg your team goes in 4v5 and gets ace'd :D) and I just prefer to jump into teamfights, trying to pick somebody out of position for a good flash engage, or if my team has a fed carry, I just try to peel for him nostop. Therefore in this situation Hydra is close to useless, I dont need burst and waveclear, I need CDR and tankyness to peel. I would go heavier on tank items, like full CDR and tankyenss but then I'm a support basically, and I need to rely on other scrubs to carry me. I don't like that cos I know I can carry, given the right circumstances. I'm not good enough to go assassin build, so I think my current bruiser build is the best.
Yooba (EUW)
: I had that problem with Azir. I enjoy him but I'm trash at him idk why.. Yeah if you wanna climb play what's good rather than what you enjoy. If not then just keep playing what you enjoy.
> [{quoted}](name=Yooba,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=6Zm9qqzX,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-05T19:13:49.218+0000) > > I had that problem with Azir. I enjoy him but I'm trash at him idk why.. Did you just give up on him?
: I suck at my main. Should I give up?
Thank you for the answers. First of all, most of the time I'm NOT that edgy Riven main that goes balls deep 1v5 and sh*t haha I said I loved it when I got my 1v3-1v4 just to say how much rewarding Riven can be for me, compared to other champs. Regarding combos, CS'ing, poking, trading etc... I'm not saying I know it all, but after around 2 yrs of maining Riven, I actually have most of the combos on lock down, know when I can flash in and burst them down without them leaving with 2% hp etc. If I didn't have all these "basics", I would fail on other champs too. Instead as I said, if I pick another champ (let's say Fiora?) for some games, I'm able to do pretty good with her. Same for other roles, mainly jng and ADC. I'm able to do decent for my elo, most of the time I have enough impact on the game to turn the tables etc. On Riven this almost never happens. I either go 5/0 in lane and then, since I know my dmg and my limits, I can kinda hardcarry from there, but most of the time I lose lane, barely keep up in cs, lose my first tower early compared to the rest of the map etc. I don't claim to be rly good or know it all (otherwise I would be plat+ haha) but what I know, is that I'm kinda decent for my elo, enough to carry or perform good on other champs, but NOT on Riven.
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