Hansiman (EUW)
: > see screenshot 'E'. Even in this wording Riot are saying they don't believe I was actually trolling or 'running it down' but instead just 'were not having a good game'. That's not what they're saying. They're saying that you're jumping under the enemy turret or trying to fight 4 enemies alone when it's very clear that you have no chance of success. When they say that after a manual audit that the ban itself is correct, it means that they believe it's more than a bad game. --- > it was my understanding that you had to intentionally run it down or intentionally lose the game for your team You've misunderstood. The goal is to catch **any** form of intentionally feeding after a single offense. The case you mention as an example may be easier to detect, but that's not the only thing players get detected by. --- > It was also my understanding that you would have to hard flame / run it down a few games in a row to receive a 1-7 Day ban not be told by riot that they feel you’re not playing up to par and be given an instant 2 week ban. This is also a misunderstanding. You were punished for intentionally feeding, which aims to hand out a direct 14 day penalty after a single offense.
With all respect,URF is supposed to be a fun game mode.If Riot wants to be harsh on URF they should start punishing these "1 vs 4" situations on Ranked first and not on a game mode that prioritizes players' fun and not their rank. If His case was an easy form to detect,then i wouldn't lose 30+ games and get demoted from Platinum to Gold from people like them. I would like to agree with you in what you said,but to be honest i can't.People here knows that the system is not promising at all and telling us it works on URF is sad.
: 14 day ban for one urf game - is riots punishment system unjust? [proof inside]
> [{quoted}](name=LuckyCritOmg,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=z75AYGpz,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-02-26T13:26:35.018+0000) > Even in this wording Riot are saying they don't believe I was actually trolling or 'running it down' but instead just 'were not having a good game'. Laughed so hard on this one!No wonder ranked games are a clown fiesta. P.s. URF is suppossed to be a fun game mode to play and enjoy while trying all kind of fun playstyles.However,i'm literally tired or seeing Riot's reasoning "just a bad game"....
: Disconnecting in-game, in launcher etc.
I'm encountering the same problem here.. Country = Greece ISP = Cosmote
Angst Two (EUW)
: There is no justice
He is just a bad player trying to win............. xDDDDDDD
: > if you are a bad player you are encourage by riot to keep play ranked ,until you train ??? , it's that how the ranked should work like That's... exactly how ranked works currently. It pits people of equal skill against eachother until they either improve and progress, or don't manage to keep up and regress. This is literally how LP works.
> [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=7boK2eeH,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-02-14T19:09:13.477+0000) > > That's... exactly how ranked works currently. > > It pits people of equal skill against eachother until they either improve and progress, or don't manage to keep up and regress. This is literally how LP works. From the Op's SS that is not obviously the case.
: First rule of new season climb: Wait few weeks or /mute all at the start of game...
We have been waiting for 3 months.Asking people to wait longer to play RANKED games with more quality is totally tiring....
: "Its only preseason"
Competitive games man!Where your skill matters,your allies and enemies are on the same level as you(cough...cough...). Both of teams always try to win,griefers always get punished (cough...cough..).
Ceberuz (EUW)
: I can't agree more with you, the ranked ladder has 0% integrity on any level, just to name a few factors as to why that is; * Team-wide mmr matching _This would be okay if they incorporated KDA, average ward count, objective count or assist, but without it is literally just haphazzard_ * Duo-que boosting is a thing, especially later in a season * Smurfing, it may be a minor issue, but it all adds up to the mayhem due to team-wide mmr matching Sadly next season will be even worse, because Riot cannot make a system that is functional on any level.
Riot CAN make a better system if they do really want,but unfortunately they won't.They want to encourage players to do their shit unless they have bad manners. Just now i had my 3rd loss in a row where i got a TALON JUNGLE and a Typical Vayne which left her lane with 1/8/4.Note that in my 2 previous losses i was the best in the team with a nice KDA.Still the system decided that i'm so good as this Vayne. There are literally no rewards for your performance and no matter what you do it won't help you climbing.IF YOU DO climb it will be after x 10 of the time you will invest.
Ceberuz (EUW)
: Sidenote, your native tongue may not be English, but there mere fact that you use punctuations and separate your points, makes it easily understandable and enjoyable to read. I don't know if what you experience is a new phenomenon during your 2018 ranked experience, but I am confident I am not alone when I say this problem have been persistent throughout this season, to a higher degree than previous seasons. This is also what I don't understand about Riot (or their board supporters who keep fighting this with pseudo arguments). When will we finally get the **option** to fully disable chat through the client? There is no down-sides to implementing such an option in the client, since players can then moderate their own chat without having to repeat the process every game, saying it will lead to increased trolling is a pseudo-argument, because players who wish to troll or intentionally suicide to ruin game, will do so anyway.
> [{quoted}](name=Ceberuz,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=cXXgjuoF,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-11-09T16:18:21.561+0000) > > I don't know if what you experience is a new phenomenon during your 2018 ranked experience, but I am confident I am not alone when I say this problem have been persistent throughout this season, to a higher degree than previous seasons. Actually the banning system and matchmaking are both a joke.After a nice wining streak i lost 2 games in a row where i had a Yorick dying intentionally at top lane while just walking to the enemy's malphite,without farming and without doing something else. 2nd game we had an Alistar that left his lane at level 5 and forced his adc to play alone.He would also spam his ultimate in the middle of teamfights without using any other abilities. In another game game i played AGAINST a Sion who was using the inting strategy(dying and using its passive to destroy towers with the demolish rune) to get towers which made his team suffer and lose the game.Later on,i checked his profile and found out that he played countless games as Sion using this strategy.I do not understand why is this shit allowed and isn't punished. I get everyone's point here and doesn't actually help to state examples like i did.The whole system is just unfair as it doesn't recognize your skill and it matches you with bad players or trolls out of your win/loss percent. Especially the solo Q is just random.It doesn't matter how good or bad you are.
: 14 day suspension for a single game - Previously honor 4
I just played agame in Which our Vayne was farming 24/24 bot lane for 39 minutes literaly without grouping and assisting his top lane Hard fed JAX to carry and win.In the end we lost because one player decided that we should. I do like it when Riot issues and 14 ban for such poor logs when others get to grief and decide games without punishments at all.No wonder the matchmaking sucks.
wonin (EUW)
: Gangplank hidden buffs
Plox Plox (EUW)
: Int feeding/running it down mid.
Hey mate.Did you add what happened at your report?
Gibo51lt (EUW)
: You can get banned for talking sense into your team, prevent two guys from inting, and winning game
I just played with a toxic bot that assisted the enemy in many ways.From saying "%%%" to "i don't want to win".Also both of them would engage 1 vs 4 to die intentionally and help the enemy to win. Both of them are playing their next games unpunished yet this guy got banned for something minor.This is why the system always infuriated me and thus i never trusted it.
Infernape (EUW)
: >bigger and fast punishments.... you afk leave the game by quitting on purpose How would Riot make the distinction between someone that quits on purpose and someone that quits because their internet suddenly cut out? >your troll or pick stupid champs like janna jungle and then just int need some sort of punishment for that. Off meta picks are generally not punishable, inting is. IIRC Riot's meant to be improving the intentional feeding detection system to better identify intentional feeders. > flaming please start checking before/after game chats its the worst. The IFS (the punishment system) already does to the best of my knowledge.
> [{quoted}](name=FurorDivinus27,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=exnuKTYy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-16T09:38:27.713+0000) > > How would Riot make the distinction between someone that quits on purpose and someone that quits because their internet suddenly cut out? > > Off meta picks are generally not punishable, inting is. IIRC Riot's meant to be improving the intentional feeding detection system to better identify intentional feeders. > > The IFS (the punishment system) already does to the best of my knowledge. No hell!Even if you scream that you quit you don't get FAST punishments and you continue to play without breaks.Have already checked some players. Off meta picks are not punishable but Janna jungle?Players have the right to report any kind of player who disturbs the flow of the game and a Janna jungle who feed DOES disturb it.Because in any case that is not a strategy which you're trying to win with and definitely not one players would agree with.
Rioter Comments
Coopa123 (EUW)
: Ok watch this: The next game you play will definitely have a feeder/afk. There is a 4/9 chance he will be on your team. There is a 5/9 chance he wil be on the enemy team. Let Riot refund you the 20LP. But since you statistically won more games because of afks/flamers/feeder they should also take away the LP you won. Fair? Also: .................. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, take a few of these. They're free.
Really?If that's the case....in the last month i got afk 3 times in my team over one time in enemy's team.Can i get 40 LP back?Thanks. My first point,those statistics do not match with my experience.Noone can see the future... My second point,the remake system seems to have a problem and does not allow you to use the remake command.A guy from our team yesterday never connected but the system did not allow us to remake. Have a nice day.
CJXander (EUNE)
: What is trolling for yourselves!?
Off meta pick = Like a Riven support?Definitely yes Ignoring a pushed lane as a jungler = It's not trolling but a pushed lane has good chances for a gank.If you as a jungler ignore that fact then you do not give hope to your team to win. Last hitting creeps as support while your adc is in base = I agree with you Not buying sightstone = Definitely,though some dudes do not even buy support's item for gold... Having a poor score = depends on your actions that led to having a negative score(pushing like a moron without vision). Roaming as Bard = Definitely not "troll",though that Bard must have good communication skills with his adc.. Having heal on cooldown as Soraka = Sarcasm? Not building ardent = Same question! Dying with your ultimate on = Definitely sarcasm!
: REMOVE THIS AUTOFILL
At your last 20 games you played support only in 2-3 games.I see no reason for this topic...... P.s. In one of your ranked games you trolled by going Jarvan AP in jungle.It's amazing you haven't received a ban :)
: Rito needs to do something about the AFK/trolls it's out of hand
Actually we all know that rage afkers do not get punished immediately.They get the right to destroy a X number of games before the do get punished with low LPQ instead with a 14 days ban for "assisting the enemy". Any smart guy can check the match history of a rage afker and see if the system will allow that player to play more games or whatever.Auto-fill support shaco with smite,Griefing adc vayne or kalista players running down bot solo without vision 24/7 to die versus fed Master YI while shouting "it's lost",jungle players literally farming during the first 20 minutes of the game without making ganks or even trying to go after dragons.I have seen all these players intentionally playing bad and many of them admitting it in chat,but the system still allows them to play more games. Lack of FAST punishments is one of the factors the make the matchmaking truly unfair.Out of my last 30 games i got rage afkers and griefers ruing games intentionally.Out of my last 30 games i got to enjoy 2 of them even if i lost.
Praes (EUNE)
: adc main hates supports
Both sides (adc and support) have right actually.I just had an auto-fill player who refused to play support and threatened us to give him top.At the same time i picked Tahm Kench and went support(i was supposed to play top). The enemy picked Lucian and thresh and my adc went Vayne against them.First time Vayne in ranked games for this season.This guy couldn't farm and would get hooked by thresh all the time while saying "do i have support?". Support is my secondary.Adc shouldn't even talk.They know how to abuse Lucian/Botrk and talk big,but when Botrk gets nerfed they'll remember again how important the supports are.
abixbg (EUNE)
: Riot is OK with gameplay toxicity and pusnish only the easiest for them: chat harassment. When they introduce voice comm this game will become total shithole
> [{quoted}](name=abixbg,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MtG9hhR5,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-04-11T08:20:02.483+0000) > > Riot is OK with gameplay toxicity and pusnish only the easiest for them: chat harassment. When they introduce voice comm this game will become total shithole No,Riot is not ok with the punishment system.Just now a guy who filled jungle,stole my top lane by instalocking Lucian as second adc (after Tristana),with the excuse "i didn't see" blablabla. Out of my last 30 games i got to enjoy 2 of them.In most of them i got griefers or auto fill supports that would play first time thresh.Bad players?Yes!Did they try to win?No! The Auto fill players are of the most annoying players in League today,yet it takes a painful amount of games in order for them to get punished.So no,Riot's punishment system is not ok.
: Summoners trolling & intentionally feeding when autofilled
Actually,let's face it.They get to ruin a great number of games before the get punished.I'm sure Riot is already aware of the problem . :)
: Play solo queue if you want fairer matches....Flex is just for fun.
Ben Vagan (EUW)
: The "/Remake System" and the instant "Leaver Buster" punishment
I had an intentional afk today who just said "i quit this game,sorry".I'll check later what the Leaverbuster did about him. ^^
Aminumbra (EUW)
: The Glorious Matchmaking, or "How to climb without having to play 450 games to defeat RNG ?"
I'm currently GoldV.Just got demoted from GoldIV because suddenly i got matched with rage afkers and griefers farming 24/7 on their top lane.Additionally,i lost 3 promotions in a row because either the system would place me AGAINST a better team while giving me unranked players that haven't played since September as they admitted or just worse team mates. I started this season at silver 3,got countless losing streaks because of auto fill players and more.No,i'm not a good player.Just an average Gold who knows at least the basics of this game or some basic tactics and needed 900+ games to climb.I never griefed,went afk intentionally to assist the enemy or whatever.Still,the environment is toxic and no matter how you try the system is not so rewarding. I really sympathize with Bronze,silvers or even Platinum and Diamond players who have admitted too that Silver - Gold(and above) matchmaking is a clown fiesta.For years players have been complaining for the new released champions getting picked like hell immediately after their release. When the 2 new champions are released,we'll all cry for the next 2 weeks because both of them will be abused in ranked with 0 skill and that will infuriate many players.Still,Riot said that they it's ok for players to try new champions in ranked and that they CAN ONLY sympathize with us because teams have to pay the full prize of 1 random dude who did that.Moreover,we got 134 champions(soon 136) and still get to ban only 6 in total instead of 10 like in LCS. Thus,when players say that Riot does balance tweaks around LCS only,they have right.
: Why troll when someone picks something off meta.
Every day you play with Random players.Enforcing your strategy to others will naturally tilt them and thus they will report you.
Sefi (EUNE)
: ***
Bronze 2 playing with Platinum is totally unfair no matter how i see it.Balance out what?Higher MMR?5 PLatinum III players in one team seem more balanced to me than blue team. No offense but we all know how the mmr system works.Still,it doesn't justify that guy's matchmaking. P.s. Especially Promo series are a clown Fiesta.Always giving the enemy better team mates,while you get unranked players who haven't played since September or first time adc Jhin or whatever.I got demoted from Gold 4 after i had a loss streak from griefers running around the whole map and inters.I won't even mention rage afkers.Also,i lost 2 promos in a row because the system simply gave the enemy a better team.
: SoloQ sucks: by POTATODALUS, a tilted player
Silver match ups are a clown fiesta.Even Plat-Diam smurfs have acknowledged that fact.You can't place unranked players with 0 past experience only in 1 team even if their Starting MMR suggests that,nor having to go against a team with players that are 2-3 divisions(or more) higher than you.It's literally hilarious and makes your games uneven.
imbrus (EUW)
: Another yasuo thread
{{champion:24}} _ I'm having fun against him though :(_
: Can you stop assuming that calling lower ELO players trash is ok because you're higher???
Well i do kinda agree with you.Although in my experience it's the opposite.In my last games,poorly performed players would actually ask for reports and flame a lot while inting.(walking towards 5 enemies as an adc.)THEY called "trash" their fed top who took down 6 enemy towers when they did nothing than going base all the time. But i do agree with you that calling someone "trash" is not a nice tactic to win.
: Patch 7.7 : Camille Joined Kindred in Unplayable side
>learn how to balance new champs or dont even release RITO PLEASE!Let this guy balance his main.He knows better. xD
D4RKEVA (EUW)
: Ähh vi zac and kha arent really bad but they arent actually meta outside of kha ^^ Jax is rather weak also but the thing for low elo is, play something you are comfortable with nothing else matters (thats why hard champions are often not given as examples for low elo players) To climb you just need to be better long term :P
If you define "meta" according to what's played in LCS then Zac is definitely meta.Vi is played a lot in low tiers as well and is a damn strong pick.Jax this season is stronger in jungle although i play him top.He is not weak.He has no complicated mechanics and can easily jungle. ^^
: How is it possible to get demoted from B1 promotion to B4 getting just troll teams?
Dude,if you want to climb play top or mid.I main Jax and reached Gold after 800+ games in Silver.Got demoted 17 times from silver 2 to Silver 5 and so your story doesn't seem surprising .I can feel your pain! I used to play jungle.However,in low divisions players often die early game or simply refuse to cooperate and wait for ganks.Sometimes your team will ignore you when you call them for dragon,sometimes your teammates will die all together in their lanes separately at minute 5:00!!!!I've seen lots of shit man! Therefore i decided to main Jax top.If you want to continue as a jungler i recommend you Jax who's at this meta. Also {{champion:254}} {{champion:154}} {{champion:121}} are of the strongest junglers.
: Ghost to lane should be banned.
Challenger in Bronze match ups?How is that supposed to be fun to watch?For these poor dudes that lost "unfair" wasn't fun at all!
: What have you done riot ??? adc in 2017
Meanwhile Kog Maw goes 1 vs 2 in front of enemy's tower and dies the moment Tahm Kench went to ward dragon.Then,Kog Maw's emo rage activated and he opened bot. ADC 2017! Or when i play Jax and Vayne players come to 1 vs 1 me the moment i'm fed(plus guinsoo rageblade),with full stacks from passive only to die in 2 seconds(not 0.8sec you liar) ADC 2017! Or when Jinx during lane phase get hooked 243423 times from Thresh and then she flames Tahm about why was his Devour on cd.0 dodge skills but flame level 9999. ADC 2017!
: Is something wrong with platinum division?
It happens to every tier.However i'm glad that even Platinum players post about that problem
LakeMan (EUW)
: Unfair Perma Ban (imo)
Well deserved according to your logs.
41ph4 (EUW)
: What to do when people troll in champion selection (refuses to play his role)
I love people who downvote topics without having any idea literally why.I played many games with dudes that refused to play their given roles.You can always report them at the end of the game. I can understand your frustration.
ZexXxoN (EUNE)
: How is kog'maw back ?
Kog maw is back?Since when?Most of kog maw players i have played against or with failed so hard!
: I was a Darius main before 5.16 and I've got a message for you riot.
: Intentionally feeding is allowed by Riot
Playing Singed top is not the same as abusing the auto-fill system and playing as second jungle.
: Riot's ban system is a total joke!!!
2 reasons for that 1.)The offended always did something to infuriate the others. 2.) Saying in chat "i do not want to win" helps more the system to ban you for assisting the enemy. Regardless the reason i sympathize with you.It's not nice to get intentional feeders or griefers in your games as i got in my 8 out of last 15 games.However,these lines trigger those punishments by the system.Your circumstances are have no value and all that matters are your intentions explained in chat. P.s. All intentional feeders get punished but not so quickly sadly because the system considers them just bad players.Thus,there are cases in which players need 20+ games to feed and without saying nothing chat before they get punished.
: Not banning doesn't put your team in a disadvantage and it is need now in ranked and normal draft. so i wouldnt complain about that.
> [{quoted}](name=VelowTheOriginal,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=1UEW5BAb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-03-20T21:23:53.427+0000) > > Not banning doesn't put your team in a disadvantage and it is need now in ranked and normal draft. so i wouldnt complain about that. Actually it gives.First of all the game always starts from champions select.Otherwise we could have a blind system for all types of games. Furthermore,banning phase is a kind of strategy.That,means you deny certain strategies(potential counter mechanics) to your enemy.By being afk you cause your team to the chance to deny the enemy a potential pick and that creates negativity in your team if the enemy finally pick that certain champion.This is how complains start and reports are issued at the end of the game. **_But even pro teams have skipped bans_** True.But me or you,are not in the same team every game nor the thousands of players we play with every day.
: low priority queued for "open mid"
Open mid = assisting the enemy.There is always someone who wants to try to win. I won many 4 vs 5 games when we had an afk.But in my opinion you should get banned for assisting the enemy.I'm amazed you still get to play even in LPQ.
: May the Kek be with you
Johnnix (EUNE)
: What is Riot plotting against me?
I got spirit guard udyr and a 10 win streak. ^^
: Gotta love this matchmaking
Teemo vs Singed.Honored.
: At least Jax needs to jump in the fray to get fed, Lux can delete 3+ enemies from 1000+ range...
> [{quoted}](name=Shade Of Wolf,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=XKEKnQwb,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-03-19T13:16:53.061+0000) > > At least Jax needs to jump in the fray to get fed, Lux can delete 3+ enemies from 1000+ range... That was exactly my point.She just sits 1000 k/m behind her team spamming her abilities and so i can't think for a way to buff an ability of hers with nerfing another one. I think it will be something like a balance change and not a buff.
: Maybe they want her to be able to kill tanks now? Or give her something to do during her combo CD...I dunno, I think she is too strong atm (hence why I abuse her in ranked).
> [{quoted}](name=Shade Of Wolf,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=XKEKnQwb,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-03-19T12:37:53.497+0000) > > Maybe they want her to be able to kill tanks now? Or give her something to do during her combo CD...I dunno, I think she is too strong atm (hence why I abuse her in ranked). She is fairly strong dude.Once i went against an enemy support lux player.He left his lane at level 4 and started roaming and take kills from everywhere.He had 11 kills without farm and still could take a kill in one go (Q + R). In the end she lost because i as main Jax got fed as well,went guinsoo and one shotted everyone. huehuehue
Min Yoongi (EUNE)
: Demoted
Yes you do have a free win.
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