: You're a challenger.
Well said. not many here will agree with you however, as what Rank they are is everything, but we need more posts like this!
: A Red Herring comes here from time to time. But it's eu board so why would people that work on game that are from NA come to EU? Well Star Craft is 1v1 game. You have no one to flame. Leauge is team game and if you loosing it's easier to find somebody to blame. Mordhau is just like leauge if we talk about trash community. But unlike leauge you can do everything and don't face any punishments. You can even kill your own teammates and devs won't do s*** about that. From my expirience leauge is my number 3 if we talk about worst community.
Star Craft when I played was 3 v 3 mostly ;) I'm curious, what's your number 1? So I never play it (if not already) ;)
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: guess this board is full of people who protect a company they don't know anything about , and who just creats a impresive negative enviroment in which to play =)) , the funny thingh is that you again right , the skins are more likely to impress kids , the prices in RP also makes the game cheating your money , if the prices of products will be in E not in Rp , you would ask yourself does it really worth to pay 15 euros for a skin , considering a game can cost 15 E , is questionable if we are smart or not , when you realise they sell same skin accros the glob to 30 mil people... , and the cost of a skin is 15 E ... , i mean is not likely they do that skin just for you , the skins value are overpriced to actually what would be to buy games ... , so i am honest here.. spended lot's of money on skins when i was a child , when i coulded buy some games and have fun from them and own them forever.
Thank you for being brave enough to say that here. Many just messaged me instead, which I understand. Not everyone wants to be constantly hounded or flamed for going against the grain, and I fully appreciate that of course. I get loving a game, and not liking criticism of it, especially when someone is saying "this game you play a lot and have put money into, it's really quite a con". Obviously people on this board are going to react negatively towards it. It's a shame though that sooooo many won't even consider for a moment, what me and yourself recognise. It's due to that great games like Apex Legends have things come about that ruin the game. The die hard fans just don't/or won't look hard enough at what's compelling them to play/pay. Gaming in general at the moment is a mess :(
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: >Again, this board, Reddit YouTube comments, the people I play with/against in game. Insufficient poll group. Unless you can provide that every teenage across the whole world either comment on Reddit or Youtube and you have read all of them. Obviously in science it is impossible (mostly because of finance reasons) to get information from every single person in target group (especially if this group has few hundreds thousand people). But there are a methods to get a proper proportional group, what is enough to make researches. And in this group will be also teenagers that do not post comments on Reddit or Youtube. What else, number of people with which you play is even smaller, and limited to a certain territory (you mostly don't meet Australians, Japanese or Chinese on EU servers). What makes this knowledge to vague to be used for anything. >Known polls for average age 18/20. Found something like [this.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/579779/age-esports-games-players/) This obviously shows only pro players, but the average is 25. [Other](https://www.statista.com/statistics/189582/age-of-us-video-game-players-since-2010/) shows that average age of players is 18-35, with less than quarter being below 18. The source from [Boards](http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1989410) is to small to take into notion (only 281 voters). Also, this still doesn't tell us, how many teenage players of League of Legends are there. >All of those things have age restriction or laws to attempt to prevent overuse. Even if illegal or age restricted, they are still used by teenagers. Therefore they are a great for comparing the problem of addiction. You can't say that X is more addictive, if you can't say to what you are comparing it. >The art style of this game, the overall theme it's going for the anime cosplay crowd. Is that something wrong? {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} >https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/fornite-loot-llamas-payments-upgrades-items-gambling-addiction-a8421201.html I haven't seen even one person here saying, that addiction to video games do not exist. Just, you made a statement: Riot created game that in it basic concept is addictive. Putting it into more formal language: Riot created a game that forcefully change the way how teenagers brain function, to make them addicted. Still there is no proof for that. What doesn't mean that games addiction do not exist. You can get addicted to anything. Book addiction also can exist (situation, where you prefer buying books than make your living environment better). There are many different mental illness. But the fact that they do exist, does not prove your point at all. For the information from article. It is about Fortnite, and as I have never played it or watched, I have no idea about what mechanics are they speaking. So I'm not commenting on the Fortnite part. >you're wasting your summer holidays on, is mostly a negative use of your time & money And here is the superstition about what I spoke at the start. It is your belief in imagined "wasting time & money." You decided by yourself (wonder, how do you know what we are doing in the time, when not playing), that we are doing something harmless. Obviously there is no proof for any of your hypothesis, but you still decided, that you are right, and everyone else wrong.
To start at the bottom it is still the wrong usage of that word: "and here is the superstition about what I spoke at the start" It still doesn't make sense. The article mentions fortnite primarily yes, but it's about predatory mechanics in the game, just like this one. I guess you're kind of going for a "any games can be addicting" vibe. While true yes (WoW had plenty of that when it was in its prime) I still think you're not accepting/grasping what i'm saying about the target audience. The anime cosplay crowd are a younger demographic, and they focus on cosmetics in Online games naturally. In LoL as no one really buys champions anymore, that's where the focus is, to hook them. "You decided by yourself" Well no, if you look at these boards, reddit (i'm repeating the same lines here) you will see an ongoing theme. The game is overall toxic. People talking/arguing about it in the community generally all squabble or flame, and in game well lol we know what a problem in game chat has. People just don't want to mute for some reason. It is a negative use of someones time to focus on ranked. It's futile to argue otherwise in the face of so many saying so. You may say you don't see/experience that, but again I feel you're being selective on what's out there to read.
Kravixman (EUNE)
: Recently whenever I post this icon {{champion:350}} or mention her name, Im instantly downvotted. :) PS. Do your job Yuumi haters, to downvotes and beyond!
Here have an up vote on me. Yuumi rocks! ;)
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: thought same too , i mean is impossible for them to don't control matchmaking ... ,when you are on loss strike , i decided to switch lane i play , and i get other kind of trolling grief , imagine you quit to play adc.. , and you go support to get autofill adc who dosn't do nothing , so basically what that tells me ... , what role you would play ,and anyway if you would be good ,dosn't matter , the chances for you to loss are same... , everytime trollers/griefers/toxic players affect your chances to win , and riot laught of his normal players... , is not just about the players skill , every god damn day , we have so much high% chances to don't win, because of current in-game behaviour ... , they exploit that... I don't know if you seen , but riot can easily to detect who tryes for first time a hero or not... , and they put you players like that in your games ,who have a small amount of games played with a hero just to help you demote , when you are on loss strike , is likely they don't try to help you , they bury you in trasher teams to just demote and waste more time... , is all clear that they have a supreme mechanism who keeps good players on the same level , not offering you chances to reach a position you can't advance cause of your skill , is my personal thought , if everyone would have pleasure and cool games ,then there wouldn't be that much flame , but when it happens to have constantly stupid matchmaking and tons of people toxic/trollers/griefers and adding on top of that and people who play normal but extremly weak... , you just don't understand anymore what's the Riot part in all this equation... In my opinnion Riot part in this equation , is that they don't want to create a game for free who gives pleasure to it's players to play it , is clearly that if they woulded want this game to share positive notes and a cooler enviroment to play they woulded succed of so many seasons , but they haven't start or neither claimed a problem here .. , is just stupid ,how many topics happen every day about matchmaking , and they keep refuse to claim is a problem there...
Yup I completely agree. Thank you for saying so.
: Anecdotal evidence from the internet or some imginary job you never actually had is not proof. Give me real statistics, or shut up. But of course you don't have those, so you instead try to act like you're some kind of wise, ancient sage of the videogame industry. You can't actually refute anything I say, because you have no counterarguments. All you can do is call me naïve. Since this whole things has devolved into a complete shitshow at this point anyway, there's one last thing though I wanted to mention: You claim I started insulting you first. But I didn't. I called *your claims* bullshit, and I called ppl who get their accs banned assholes because that's what they are. If your desparate need to feel superior wasn't enough of an indication, the fact that you conflate your position being challenged with a personal attack on you shows wonderfully how mature you really are. (Or it means you got perma'd, which I suppose would at least adequately explain both your behavior as well as this whole travesty of a thread.)
"Anecdotal evidence from the internet or some imginary {sic} job you never actually had is not proof. Give me real statistics, or shut up" Ok so before I start to answer that, consider what you're saying to me, before I say something to you in the same manner. let's examine it: Something you don't conceive as worth reading properly or considering as relevant to do with the subject matter you are going to ignore (I.E. everything that doesn't agree with your bias for this game hence your continued defence) .. so please shut up. ...and then second you state i'm making up stuff about my work history, as imaginary. Should I start now treating you the same, or to spare your feelings should I be kinder? Which do you prefer so I don't upset you. I'm getting tired of people claiming i'm acting this way or that, while they act the same in the first place, if not worse. You get so passionate on trying to insult me, or negate anything i'm talking about regarding this game, you do not consider your own behaviour. So i'll ask you to do that now. "You claim I started insulting you first. But I didn't." .... This is why i'm saying this TO YOU now. Answer that please (how you want me to treat you), and we will continue..... Take your time before you tell me your decision..... Also explain this comment please: "got perma'd"
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: Honestly speaking, you produce plenty of text, but there is no worth to it. Every scientific article needs to be based on research. Saying things like "check google," provides no example. The reason of that is the rule of media exposition (described by all sciences working on role of media in daily life). For their own profit they tend to provide only negative news. They sell better. This is why people seeing some parts of environment at negative is often a manipulation from media that they are immersing. For that reason, when checking a hypothesis, it is important to secure as much data as possible (this was using by Bayes in his prediction methods - **B. Clegg**, _Dice World Science and Life in a Random Universe_). It already happened few times in the past (the famous "vaccines gives you autism" article), where using a selective data shows improper results. If we want to check the real reason of addiction to anything (drugs, alcohol, sugar, games), it is important to check their home environment, school environment, search for other mental disorders etc. But the news covered by media will never go so deep. Why? Because it is not worth. Unrelated people don't want to hear about those complicated things. They want an easy answer. Therefore if there is another mass-shooting in USA it is easier to blame: games, movies, books, access to guns, than check the real reason behind something. Going deeper into finding a related stuff about the worked topic. There is even a theory that tells us, that if true information is not compatible with person learned categories, there is a big trend of ignoring it (**A. C. Best, H. Yim, V. M. Sloutsky**, _The cost of selective attention in category learning: Developmental differences between adults and infants_). Therefore I want to ask You. Please provide a solid proof, based on science, that this cases are a consequence of playing video games. I will add one more point to that. Statistics are also important (if one knows how to use them). So which % of teenagers playing League of Legends spend money of their parents without them knowing to number of teenagers players who are not doing such a thing? If League of Legends was really created in additive way, this number should be amazingly high. But there is another problem. What is a high level of teenagers being addicted to League of Legends? We need some comparison. What are popular things that makes young people get addicted? If nothing happened from my young days it would: alcohol, nicotine, drugs, and sugar (unhealthy food products). Then we would need to make comparison between those addictive substances and League of Legends. Therefore, the steps that You need to do, to prove that what you are saying is a fact and not only prejudice and superstition: 1. Check how many teenage LoL players got addicted to game; 2. Check their backgrounds and psychological profile; 3. Throw away every example where the addiction could be because of others reasons; 4. What has left compare to the general teenage player base; 5. Compare it to other types of addictive materials. Things stated above were based on this fragment of your answer to Mr. or Ms. Nightangael: >It has already been proved otherwise. Go on google and look for cases/news of children or teenagers both who used their parents credit card to pay for MTX, and it's been thousands. Go on it won't take long.
OK to begin with: "prejudice and superstition". It's not a prejudice it's a marketing tactic for the reasons I've explained. It's predatory tactics on the younger gamer. Again Jimsterling and others do many videos on this and provide all the information you need. When I have provided information on this board, it's been answered with well I don't believe that etc so I'm not going to waste time doing that again, especially when google as I keep saying can provide anyone with what they need. Saying "don't just say google" is a cop out. It's like saying "don't just use the internet" that's an illogical statement. Supersition, your use of that word is incorrect> superstition /ˌsuːpəˈstɪʃ(ə)n/ Learn to pronounce noun excessively credulous belief in and reverence for the supernatural. there's nothing supernatural here, it's just business method for a target audience, a proven and well documented one. " Check how many teenage LoL players got addicted to game". Again, this board, Reddit YouTube comments, the people I play with/against in game. Known polls for average age 18/20. This is all stuff anyone can research for themselves using the methods already stated. "alcohol, nicotine, drugs, and sugar (unhealthy food products). Then we would need to make comparison between those addictive substances and League of Legends." All of those things have age restriction or laws to attempt to prevent overuse. Overuse of anything is indeed a negative. The art style of this game, the overall theme it's going for the anime cosplay crowd. Lol started as a mod for Warcraft 3. That's where the Blizzard art style originally came from, but this grew and was adapted further to cater again for the target audience where expenditure could be maximised. I think for anyone truly interested in predatory practises in gaming should look at articles like this: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/fornite-loot-llamas-payments-upgrades-items-gambling-addiction-a8421201.html Again however most of the posts publicly here are to counter point for the defence of the game primarily ( I've gotten private message from people saying I agree, they just don't want to attract people flaming them), and as an extension of that their time/money being spent on it. It isn't necessarily arguing against a targeted audience for MTX, I don't think some here have ever even considered that may be happening, and may play many mobile games etc so see a lot of this as the norm and not see it is anything negative what so ever. I wonder for example how many right now are playing the new Mobile Harry Potter game by Nantec, or the older one??? There's a lot to learn here (that's not to do with calling the Ghostbusters) but that's going to be hard when people are here to do nothing but try and get 1 up on someone saying the game you're wasting your summer holidays on, is mostly a negative use of your time & money.
: "So are you seriously telling me there's no difference to how much expenditure a teenager impulse buys with their pocket money on these games, compared to a mid 20 year old who's earned that money and will think about where it's going because they quite possibly have bills to pay etc." Unless you can show me statistics that prove otherwise, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. To start with, teens that still live with their parents don't have that much money in the first place. I don't know bout you but my parents didn't shove a thousand bucks up my ass every month. And most 18-20 year olds work and have already moved out or are about to. I've seen plenty of people in their mid-twenties recklessly spend every dime they could spare on jacking up their shitty VW Golf GTI or buying some overpriced porsche with money they didn't even have. So if you don't have actual data to back up your claim, I see no reason to change my mind. "How did that confuse you?" That confused me because it's obviously a false equivalence. Just because EA does something scummy doesn't mean every other company in the industry must be doing the same thing. One restaurant serving rotten food is in no way proof that every restaurant in the world must be serving rotten food. But at this point I've tired of this discussion. When you're not making patronizing blanket statements that serve no purpose whatsoever other than to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you, you keep rephrasing the same things over and over, relying on listing fake credentials in place of actual arguments. If you want to continue this crusade of yours, go right ahead, I've said all I need to.
"Unless you can show me statistics that prove otherwise, yes. That's exactly what I'm saying." It has already been proved otherwise. Go on google and look for cases/news of children or teenagers both who used their parents credit card to pay for MTX, and it's been thousands. Go on it won't take long. " I don't know bout you but my parents didn't shove a thousand bucks up my ass every month" NO they don't. That doesn't stop the kids buying them though getting their parents in debt that's the point. You're missing each and every point frequently here, it's either naivety or intentional. I worked at complaints for Virgin Media for five years. I dealt with parents calling me saying "their kids have brought X amount of pay to view films without me knowing" every other day. The teenagers/kids never care about how much money their parents actually have, perhaps you're the exception being considerate to your folks, who knows?! "That confused me because it's obviously a false equivalence. Just because EA does something scummy doesn't mean every other company in the industry must be doing the same thing." That's an absolute naivete that can only come from your age and inexperience with the industry as it currently is. Let me educate you on the reality. Tencent (remember them) are involved with most of the major current studios in the west. The business model of MTX spend attraction is used by them all. Again your love for this game is compelling you to believe Riot/Tencent are somehow innocent. What staggers me is you're still putting the view across DESPITE people on this board & Reddit, right now talking about how much B/S there is going on the in the Riot RP store today! "When you're not making patronising blanket statements that serve no purpose whatsoever other than to belittle anyone " This is highly interesting to me, see when you have early used terms like arsehole and everything else (due to you defending the game and getting frustrated when I answer you back) at a certain point, and that point always comes, you start to claim being a victim. Someone a moment ago actually said " I was being mean". There's a lesson here, if you behave a certain way (like saying someone is delusional, an arsehole, etc etc) then may I suggest you prepare to get that behaviour reciprocated to a certain degree. A lot of you on here seem to have the impression you can jump in posts insulting people when you disagree and remain unscathed. That will not happen here. You are at home with your parents, you are young, and you are inexperienced in what you're talking about. That's all factual. The fact you find that insulting is on you. I've a working history of over 15 plus years over you, I've been gaming a hell of a lot longer than you (before you were born in fact), and I talk to & trade with people who actually work in the games industry right now. You chose to have the misconception I was a young player on here raging because I can't win at a video game. That's again on you. If you act young, I will call you young, because YOU ARE young.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: ranked.
The toxic players will never be all dealt with straight away as they help slow ranked climb and promos. It's the same with AFKs. There's enough frequency of when they appear (hardly ever in win streak blocks usually a minimum of 3) to see they are utilised this way. A while back someone once told me that Riot did show some of the information they use in match making, and one factor was player behaviour. They soon buried this however and you can't really read it anymore. Using porofessor though it often tells me when players are in a "good mood" or "bad mood", that's a flag it actually puts on their profile, and it tells me what percentage of success they have when they are in that mood of wins/losses. The matching Algorithm definitely uses that, and those players who've just lost a few matches will be on your team in a promo. The likely hood is those players also tilt very easily.
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: I will give you some information that can break your view of reality. Producers of food (even natural food like apples), electronic, shampoo, toothpaste, electricity etc., are doing everything to hook you up to their goods. Different kinds of manipulation and education system, just to make you buy their products. Many of them uses so unfair methods, that even EA (not talking about Riot, they are nowhere close to EA) looks like a saint.
You presume to make the case I think Riot are singular in their behavour? No, I agree others are indeed doing what they are, I thought I made that point. Infact I'm not sure what your point is... that you agree with me or ???
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: Look 1st half of this post you where being a mean really mean, and you again judge me with out knowing me. I do use websites and statistics. thats how I improved. but I dont have to prove anythign to you. the way you post is really immature. you judge others. run in to conclusions about others without knowing them. thats immature and now not worth my time. I tried really hard to have a civilized conservation with you. but your are not a civilized person. and that is proven in the way you insult of discussing . now you found the need to prove your serf that you have a job and a partner are you insecure as well? dont bother replying I am not gonna read it. you are a waste of time. sorry but you are not a person somebody can have a discussion with.
> [{quoted}](name=DarkG0d,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=00010000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-22T12:16:54.225+0000) > > Look 1st half of this post you where being a mean really mean, and you again judge me with out knowing me. > I do use websites and statistics. thats how I improved. but I dont have to prove anythign to you. > > the way you post is really immature. you judge others. run in to conclusions about others without knowing them. thats immature and now not worth my time. I tried really hard to have a civilized conservation with you. but your are not a civilized person. and that is proven in the way you insult of discussing . now you found the need to prove your serf that you have a job and a partner are you insecure as well? > > dont bother replying I am not gonna read it. you are a waste of time. sorry but you are not a person somebody can have a discussion with. I was being really mean... Did I hurt your feelings? Would you like a hug. Look it's real simple if you jump into a post like you did, making the first impression you did straight away, don't always expect the upper hand. I know some of you are used to storming into posts of people crying about ranked or a ban and hope to get some remarks or digs in and then run away again.... I'm sorry but that's not what this is or I am. You start off being cheeky, I will pull you on it. If you're upset, then don't post. Also real simple. No one asked you to. No point crying when you don't get your way either. Man up. Again, If the thread topic offends you, don't read it.
: First of all, you might want to learn a bit more about neurology than reading one extremely reductive article before you try to pretend to be knowledgeable on the subject. Now if anyone here actually has a degree in the field of neuroscience, feel free to correct me where I'm wrong, but this is what I recall from my neuroinformatics lectures: For one thing the whole issue really has little to do with "growth". When it comes to size and weight, the brains of an adult and a teenager are nearly identical. In fact, the number of neurons in the brain is at its peak towards the end of adolescence, and the number of synapses even peaks much earlier. The neurological changes that happen until your early twenties are mostly about optimization. Superfluous synapses are eliminated, and certain connections are strengthened while others weaken. Your prefrontal cortex isn't so much not fully formed as it is just wired differently. This does indeed have a significant impact on behavior, but it does not mean that teens are somehow incapable of rational thought. Also, your brain is never not changing. It can take well into your thirties for your prefrontal cortex to reach its "final" state, and as soon as you pass your early twenties your brain starts to experience the effects of aging. Which brings me to my second point: League isn't fortnite. As I have already said, all the information we have points to the percentage of players in their early teens being very small, with the majority of the playerbase even having already surpassed the age of twenty. Trying to specifically cater the game towards teens woulnd't just be foolish, it would be unprofitable. There are certainly some things league does that exploit certain behavioral patterns in a nasty way. Lootboxes that tap into people's latent gambling addiction for example. However, as countless people who have gambled their life savings away in some shady Las Vegas casino can tell you, gambling addiction is in no way a problem that is exclusive to teens. Also, what's with your obsession of trying to turn the discussion towards EA or Activision? I (and probably a lot of others here too) have never played any of their games and frankly I couldn't care less about what they do. If you want to complain about EA, go to their forums. And of course, despite having had this much time to mull it over, you've still failed to address my central argument and show WHAT exactly the things are that league supposedly does to specifically exploit teens. Oh and one last thing. If you're trying to convince someone of something, or even just trying to foster a civilized and fruitful debate, you might want to stop being so disgustingly patronizing. Just because someone calls you out on your bs, doesn't mean they must be some "triggered teen". It just means you're wrong.
"you might want to stop being so disgustingly patronizing" everyone like yourself who's done the down vote and attempted to passive aggressively tell me "i'm wrong because..." has got the same behavour reflected right back at them. Yes again that includes you. "League isn't fortnite. As I have already said, all the information we have points to the percentage of players in their early teens being very small" . The age range on many sources was found to be mostly 18 - 20. That's also the age range FIfa targets. Now you can have young 18 year olds and mature 18 year olds. The 18 year old's hammering Lol and other games like it, with leanings towards anime and cosplay, they are the ones most subjective to spend in this genre, and that's what this game has been catered for. "Young teens". "obsession of trying to turn the discussion towards EA or Activision" They are the prime examples of MTX, due to the court cases recently, and current news events happening right now. Tencent are less known because they intentionally keep out of the lime light. Obviously talking about EA and Activision will have a higher chance of people understanding the basis of my point (how did that confuse you?). "gambling addiction is in no way a problem that is exclusive to teens." It's not exclusive, but it's a demographic the gaming industry is currently targeting due to the reasons I've already explained. "learn a bit more about neurology" The prefrontal cortex not fully developed in teens resulting in irrational behaviour, mood swings etc has been widely known and documented on for the last 20 years or so. It's something I've come across from retail, into actual telesales marketing, right up to complaints management. It's even something I've discussed with workers of council youth centres . Now you're telling me you have/are studying this in uni is fascinating, truly, BUT i'm telling you, sincerely marketing for these games USE that when they are doing the MTX stores. It's how they go after the young whales. So are you seriously telling me there's no difference to how much expenditure a teenager impulse buys with their pocket money on these games, compared to a mid 20 year old who's earned that money and will think about where it's going because they quite possibly have bills to pay etc. Is that the argument you are attempting with your uni speech? You may have been to uni, but how many sales/conference calls have you sat in for the gaming industry. How many devs from studios have you actually talked to about this. How many games testers do you know. I was a manager for Gamestation where I pitched the sale of Pre orders and DLC to people your age daily for bonuses. I've sold to and talked to regularly a dev from Team 17 (do you know who they are), I know game testers for Travellers Tales and Rebellion. I now own my own business and i'm the director and trading manager. I deal with Neca, Bioworld, Sony, Activision, and Nintendo UK daily. You.... what. Are at uni and love LOl. That's the basis for your argument.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: > How often do you honestly think people really get those rare drops? very often It seems I got both Elementalist Lux and Pulsfire EZ form Loot boxes (one was a reroll) I do not buy skins I stopped givign them money for years now. got 2 Legendary and a bunch of epics from boxes as well. most of the ppl I know got at least 1 ultimate out of those loot boxes. those influencers you say they open over 200boxes. its almost certain they wil get at least 10% of them with the rarest skins etc. last event (not the one we currently have) I only opened one Orb and got the goody bug where it unlocked 3 skins for me instantly. its just luck and numbers I did not play only 2 seasons. from what backwater website you are viewing my profile ? I am playing since s4. I will not drop to silver as well. although I believe you would like that =) . look now you attack my rank. I am typing as I read. Last season had both queues on gold with again in less than 200games combined . if we comparing what did you? I dont have over 200+ games and in sivler 4. you cant judge your inability to climb to my play... > Not unless you duo or boost. did you fall that low and called me boosted here? getting to gold is not that hard. well at least now.. but beyond that its really hard for me right now. I need to improve in so many parts I will never get to Diamond. I am not that good. I might possibly get to Plat in a season or 2. but Diamond i dont think so. but now you be honest with me. do you think you ever getting to gold? cause your argument says otherwise
Ok first off, you can't be boosted and Gold 5. I wouldn't say that because if a booster was tryign to elevate you and you were still there.... no one could help you, it would be tragic. You won't get to plat. You wont. In regard to backwater site. I use Porofessor which many pro gamers streamers use. Off the top of my head Huzzy uses it (search on YT for Huzzy games) Go and get that app and install it (league partner streamers use it so it's not something that gets you into trouble). It allows you to see not only the full stats of your team but the ones you are against on the loading screen. I gather you're not checking any of that while you play, as it's never occurred to you hence the back water comment. Ever noticed dodges happen when you're in lobby, well that isn't just due to someones champ being banned or then getting a role they don't like. They check stats of you all straight away. I own my own business as a seller on my own site and eBay. Maths are important. My partner/Girl friend has a degree (currently studying for her Masters) in high Maths and analytics. It's people from that skill set that are hired for games like these to do the matching algorithm. This is how we both found the patterns, and noticed loss win streaks were predicted, along with who you're with on promo matches etc. After I found this, I went about researching why this would be. That's how I learned about Tencent, the working conditions for Staff at Riot (check glass door) and other information. See you like the game, and play the game often (you're playing today and were early while I was typing). I've actually studied this game, because what's going on in the Industry disgusts me (Anthem angered me greatly along with what's happened to Bioware). You and many other mistake me for someone crying due to rank progression or a ban for being toxic or some such, never once considering I'm trying to make some people aware of what's going on, who are miserable. A majority of you don't see further than your own obsession. That's your choice of course, but start telling me i'm wrong just because you love something, well obviosuly you will get a response.
: How to have a good time playing league
How to not have the games fans try every attempt to flame/insult you on this board: Don't post anything anti LOL.... like ever.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: LoL is bad. but what you are saying with the ranked and microtrasactions is invalid if you cant understand this I am sorry. you put up arguments with Jim sterling a video on which I have watched,. A topic that I have been part of in Reddit (not actively) but ive seen arguments over tens of videos. read articles. I have my opinion on this matter. and I do hate the Micro transcriptions. but you are truly misunderstanding this subject. or you just know half of the truth. yes Riot is shady with its practices none has ever said otherwise. but the thing that you believe ranked is based on this is just delusional you can find videos of players getting fresh accounts to D5 over 30games. and you using arguments cause I defended something with VALID augments by telling me my mom and dad buys me stuff (which on it sself its very childish and that was the main reason I did not want to have a discustion with you. cause that was immature, you dont know me and yet you attacked me personally like that. did I hit a nerve ?) . and then coming back to tell me I am blindly defending league. With again no arguments against of what I gave you. its more sad. when you can actually give me an argument on why you believe this . then I will accept you as a person who understand what he is saying. all you do now is telling me I am passively aggressive against you while being aggressive against me. with again NO ARGUMENTS . just saying I protect league. all in all. you just refuse any other argument that yours by saying we blindly defend league and that we are passively aggressive towards you...
"just delusional you can find videos of players getting fresh accounts to D5 over 30games." There are certainly players with that skill. I've never said, EVER there is not. What I said is, the ranked system is not made really for them though, that percentage of player is very small, like 1% pf the player base. The majority of players are silver or gold, like you or me. The problem with streamers or influencers is they make people like yourself believe YOU can easily climb, due to their skill. That's similair to when streamers open loot chests online, or FIFA boost packs, and they get amazing loot. How often do you honestly think people really get those rare drops? You're posting from a profile right now that says gold 5. I'd predict looking at your LP (2 as i'm typing) , match history, and last season rank (you've only played 2 seasons I've played since 2012 on and off btw) I don't think you're getting out of gold. If anything unless you stop playing ranked, it will drop you to silver in the next few days. Not unless you duo or boost. Do you think you can get Diamond? Answer honestly, because I think you are labouring under the hope you one day will because streamers can, I promise you, you won't.
: Well every online game have incredibly hostile toxic community. Ever played Mordhau or Rust for example?
I've been gaming for a long time. As an example I was playing Star Craft online on the day of its release. Not the recent one mind the original. I've played most online games with a community, be it E sports or MMORPG. This game, especially now, has the worst I've experienced. So much so, Riot devs won't step foot on this board anymore. I know this, because one of the volunteer mods literally told me that on this forum this week.
Sefi (EUNE)
: Thanks you.
You're very welcome. Just please tell me you're not buying in that store when drunk, only playing drunk eh?
: Wow. This is quite impressive. In that I'm impressed by how much misleading, pseudoscientific, unsourced and straight up false bullshit you managed to pack into one post. 1) First of all, your claim that league is particularly targeted towards teenage gamers is completely baseless. You just say it is, and then move on, without providing any sort of explanation/proof whatsoever. For one thing, afaik riot does not provide any official information regarding the age average of their player base. Every statistic we have however, points decidedly to the average being above 20, which does not exactly support your claim. For another, I can not find any element in league's gameplay that would specifically target teens. The gameplay has more depth and requires much more strategy than things like Fortnite, and the narratives surrounding the game are usually mature in tone. 2) Despite how you and the overly reductive article that you linked make it seem, teenagers aren't psychologically damaged or impaired. While they are more prone to exhibit certain behaviors than adults, the differences between individuals are much more pronounced than the differences between the same person as a teenager and as an adult. Your character doesn't magically turn into something completely different once you hit 20. 3) Who the hell cares about EA or games that exploit toddlers for microtransactions, this has nothing to do with league. 4) Yes, ranked is frustrating by design. Because competition is frustrating by design. One competitor has to lose. The only difference between ranked and any other sport is that since games are shorter and played in quicker succession and at a higher frequency, the effect compounds compared to a football match where you only feel the frustration of losing once. 5) That's not how you use the word "commiserate". 6) Most people on here claiming to be addicted are "addicted" in the same way that self-diagnosed teens on tumblr suffer from [insert psychological disorder of choice here]. Most are full of crap. 7) League is not designed to get you banned. It is solely your responsibility to get your shit together, and if you can't do that it has nothing to do with some imaginary neurological deficiency you suffer from due to being a teenager. It just means you're an asshole. And getting older ain't gonna fix that. Rant over.
It always surprises that someone can type so much, and not understand a single part of what's been put in front of them to read. How can you supply so much information from your head but not truly be taking anything in??? "Despite how you and the overly reductive article that you linked make it seem, teenagers aren't psychologically damaged or impaired" Teenagers have not yet had that part of the brain fully grow that's responsible for decision making and behaviour under stress. They haven't matured yet. That's literal biology of the human body, and you're honestly trying to tell me that's not true. Look if you're in school at the moment PAY ATTENTION. This is precisely what company's like EA and Activision use to get in your (or should I say mum and dads) wallets! There's sincerely no wonder games like Apex Legends, or even Star Wars Battlefront 2 (which is better now) have attempted such outrageous mtx attempts, because players like yourself are too BUSY RANTING about what they enjoy, to properly look into what they're playing/paying. I wonder just how many players LIKE YOU, are currently playing Apex Legends and going after that axe that you need to pay over $100 to get. I wonder how many of them would rant at me, that there's nothing wrong with that.
: Ofc it has to be addictive so people will play it more and spend money on it. But that's nothing new, every company wants us to get addicted to their product. Even fast foods like Mcdonald or KFC are trying to make us want more.
Yes and that's very, very true. However this game in particular has an incredibly hostile toxic community, and it does have a young player base. If just one person reads what I've put here (and some how ignores the fans trying desperately to insult, or flame etc) and stosp to think for a moment about how much time/money they are putting into LoL but still feeling miserable. Then that's worth it. All the players posting here with the usual routine, they're already too far gone. They will defend the game until they drop, but you can bet they are still in game, loosing their shizz flaming and having tantrums, and when they get banned they are posting "this isn't fair". Because they won't be told they are addicted to something, they just protect their digital crack.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > there BUT normal games, or any other modes DO NOT have the draw of ranked. What the **quack** are you talking about? "Draw of ranked"? First time I've heard that. *** > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > TLDR (to make it easier for you) The condescending tone is really unnecessary, especially when you're the one that doesn't understand much about this topic. *** > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > LOl ranked is made to be a grind, it's a grind for a reason, to keep you playing. There's other mechanics involved in there to hopefully encourage you to spend. Here we go again with the conspiracy theories. Ranked is a "grind" for some players because many of those are unwilling to improve their skills. Some players just hit their peak, after which point they can't climb any further. There are players in Iron with 500+ games this season alone. Some of those players spend money on the game. For your theory to be correct, those players should have left Iron a long time ago. Occam's razor: the explanation that requires the least assumptions is usually the correct one. In this case, why would match-making, Ranked in particular, be affected by spending money? It's not impossible to create such system, but why would they bother? They make enough money without shady tactics. Players are matched based on skill. That's the only thing that matters. Get a Challenger player, give him a fresh level 30 account and see where he ends up after 1 month. *** > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > I also wonder was it money you earned yourself too, or was it mum and dads? If you want to be taken seriously, you shouldn't go around being passive-aggressive, especially when you say something like this: > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > or busy trying to be passively aggressive saying "no offence"
Oh P.S. someone who's ignoring the other people attempting to flame or anything else, and then say "if you want to be taken seriously"... no that's more on you. If you want to be addressed in a civil manner, then answer or talk about the factors I Put forward, The current freemuim model, Tencent, the current unrest about this season, the high level of toxicity. Telling me WHAT you believe is true, just because, with nothing to back it up, doesn't make it so. No matter how many quotes or paragraphs you set that in.
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: you have no idea what you are talkign about. you even ignored my entire post on the offense part. by starting your OP as :"I will get downvoted" cause you knew you where talking nonsense from the start. its very clear you dont understand the topic you have opened . this reply proves it by a large margin. I have explained very clearly why what you said is wrong. replaying to me the same thing in a different way is just a waste of my time. this is the last reply you get to have from me. i tried to have an discussion with you but you are too blinded by your opinion good bye
You tried to tell me free to play games like this, are different to AAA with MTX not as aggressive. Look bottom line, you like many others are primarily interested in defending playing league. When anyone like myself suggests all is not well here and it's primarily made to get as much money & time out of you as possible, with healthy gameplay on the back seat, people like yourself who hammer this game are obviously going to spend time trying to tell me otherwise. I just don't have a single one of you yet actually construct any compelling counter point to do so. You all ignore the Tencent involvement and what they are known for, and the only answer I ever get to that is some vague kind of "oh you just believe conspiracy" lol NO it isn't a conspiracy, it's a business practice, in effect RIGHT now. You won't like answering me because there's no way in hell you will accept: Lol = bad. Nor will you tell me how much money you've spent on this game, honestly anyway....
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > there BUT normal games, or any other modes DO NOT have the draw of ranked. What the **quack** are you talking about? "Draw of ranked"? First time I've heard that. *** > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > TLDR (to make it easier for you) The condescending tone is really unnecessary, especially when you're the one that doesn't understand much about this topic. *** > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > LOl ranked is made to be a grind, it's a grind for a reason, to keep you playing. There's other mechanics involved in there to hopefully encourage you to spend. Here we go again with the conspiracy theories. Ranked is a "grind" for some players because many of those are unwilling to improve their skills. Some players just hit their peak, after which point they can't climb any further. There are players in Iron with 500+ games this season alone. Some of those players spend money on the game. For your theory to be correct, those players should have left Iron a long time ago. Occam's razor: the explanation that requires the least assumptions is usually the correct one. In this case, why would match-making, Ranked in particular, be affected by spending money? It's not impossible to create such system, but why would they bother? They make enough money without shady tactics. Players are matched based on skill. That's the only thing that matters. Get a Challenger player, give him a fresh level 30 account and see where he ends up after 1 month. *** > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > I also wonder was it money you earned yourself too, or was it mum and dads? If you want to be taken seriously, you shouldn't go around being passive-aggressive, especially when you say something like this: > [{quoted}](name=SinsanitY,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:16:28.580+0000) > > or busy trying to be passively aggressive saying "no offence"
OK to begin with, and after this there's not much else to say really as your dissertation there is again nothing more than a defence for a game you love: Ranked prestige is not a myth, folk lore tale, or conspiracy. Young players will spend an incredible amount of time (like yourself) trying to obtain as a a rank as possible. Playing x amount of normal's or Aram is not why many people spend so much time on lol. Players who don't like the stress will obviously avoid it, but then they don't get boast how great they are, or come on these forums to bully others etc. There are boosters making boat loads of cash for a reason! To even try to tell me people aren't mainly attracted to playing ranked is a farse, and it's not one that's ever going to be convincing, despite typing a small novel. I'm sorry.
: No matter my performance, I get flamed almost every game I play jungle.
I think it would be more accurate to say "no matter where/how I play I get flamed". If not playing with friends I'd sincerely use the mute chat option that was recently added. Use pings and emotes and you'll be fine. There's quite honestly no positive reason to use chat in this game now the way it is. It won't help the match, only hinder it.
Shamose (EUW)
: > You're putting a fair bit of effort into something you claim doesn't concern you. Yeah just because it doesn't happen to me I shouldn't talk about it or acknowledge it. I'll just distance myself from all the problems happening to other people just because it doesn't happen to me. I'm gonna say this one last time. I'm not denying that lootboxes are a problem in modern gaming. I'm not denying that people, not just teenagers, can get addicted. I'm just saying that this thread that you posted is just you saying that you think everyone here is an addicted teenager. No numbers, No facts nothing. It's just you speculating.
The post I've done here is due to what's on the boards, here, right now. You're free to disagree with it, but attempting to frame a narrative on if it's true or not is just that, an attempt. There's more than enough information out there, regarding reception to the current season (how many have stopped playing due to match making), how many streamers are finding it hard to show content of ranked games, and the information on Tencent (which you have ignored or put down as speculation) to I think get an educated view. If you like this game, and you're not addicted, I will say for the last time (see what I did there) that's completely fine. ALLLL fine. I just wouldn't spend any amount of time posting, like you have, if it wasn't relevant to me..... And no the "I'll just distance myself from all the problems happening to other people just because it doesn't happen to me" is not at all convincing I'm afraid. Anyway thanks for stopping by. Be well :)
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: what you fail to understand here is EA games are AAA games where you pay 60-70 Euros to buy those games have micro transactions in them and hide content where you already pay for behind pay walls. Example maps of Call of duty, weapons in loot boxes etc. now Riot on the other hand does not sell League of legends, their revenue is coming purely from micro transactions and e-sports. > Well ranked match making is more to keep you playing. The more you play the more you'll see other players with cool looking skins etc, some of what are behind pay walls etc. this makes no sense at all. you have the same chances to see players with skins in all game modes. I think that what you are trying to say is "Match Making is more likely to match you with opponents that have skins you might like and want to buy" but riot does not follow this tactic. the match making is not like activisions where they will forcefully match you with players that have skins you view just to tempt you in to buying them. Its cool and all to try and quote youtubers, but I truly think you did not understand the message they are trying to pass. most of it might have gotten over your head. no offense.
> [{quoted}](name=DarkG0d,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EOVi9p7I,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-08-21T15:03:26.846+0000) > > > > this makes no sense at all. you have the same chances to see players with skins in all game modes. > It perhaps doesn't make sense because you're confused, or too busy trying to be passively aggressive saying "no offence" (don't worry you can't offend me, but I think you're offended by this post). Either reason is the same result. Yes people can play normal's and see skins, your logic is fine there BUT normal games, or any other modes DO NOT have the draw of ranked. Now I think if you were to be honest (and that's unlikely as your mount your defence/point here) you'd admit you know that already. As an example people grind for ages and then suddenly get Diamond. What do they do, well they come here of course to state that. Fair play if they earned it. Ranked is where the draw is, for prestige. Again you do know this. The sentence about Youtubers etc was humorous, but the person who doesn't understand, or wilfully chooses not to, is you. TLDR (to make it easier for you) LOl ranked is made to be a grind, it's a grind for a reason, to keep you playing. There's other mechanics involved in there to hopefully encourage you to spend. Like absolutely any other free to play game out there now. You only fool yourself if you think otherwise. I wonder how much you have spent on this game, and would you ever be honest in saying so. I also wonder was it money you earned yourself too, or was it mum and dads? We have of course no way to prove the above either way, but your word on it. Pardon me if I take that with some salt, if you get my meaning.
Shamose (EUW)
: >I think the percentage may be high, but I alone am an example of not everyone being so. > If I read someone sharing the information I have however, I wouldn't be down voting them or being defensive. Think about the message you are giving but not typing, hmmm? Sharing info? You think the percentage is high? Unless you come up with some actual numbers from an acutal study you aren't sharing info. You are speculating. Just posting a study midly on topic and then saying "Y'all mfers addicted I think." Isn't really spreading knowledge.
You're putting a fair bit of effort into something you claim doesn't concern you. I have to be honest, anyone in say their 20's/30's approached with the notion this game is made for a younger audience and to encourage MTX, especially with the new content behind paywalls, doesn't really start down voting etc. Are you about to tell me you didn't do that? Riot are heavily involved with Tencent. If you know about Tencent, like really truly know, you wouldn't even be typing here really other than talking to me about it and agreeing, like others have done on another post of mine recently. https://www.scmp.com/tech/article/2136128/gaming-addiction-debate-reignites-tencent-spotlight-after-mobile-games-compared You asked for something like actual numbers. Well there's plenty of this easily accessible online. Go and look. If you haven't already when news a few years back broke of them buying shares of Riot, why on earth not?
DarkG0d (EUNE)
: What I dont get is why you think this affects ranked. Jim is talking about Loot boxes. in Leagues case the chest. and skins you can buy, but there is not a pay to win mechanic anywhere in league of legends. buying skins does not make you win more games. Edit: I think you miss understand what Jim is saying in general and why loot boxes are a problem. but again you did not say much about it so. who knows you might get what he is saying.
Well ranked match making is more to keep you playing and that is how it alters match making to keep you playing longer. The more you play the more you'll see other players with cool looking skins, emotes, borders, some of what are behind pay walls I now believe etc. It's basically anything that ensures each day you want to log in. Daily quests etc keep that up, or games that simply give you a logging in bonus like Elder Scrolls Online etc. It's not always malicious mind. Anyway I don't misunderstand what Jim is saying, he is definitely talking about games like this. He talks about mechanics in games that are geared towards spend. He does say free games are less a problem compared to pay to play games, but they are still a problem.
Shamose (EUW)
: Why are you trying to make me look like I refuse to acknowledge the existence of lootboxes and addiction? I know what lootboxes are. I definitely know they exist. And I goddamn well know how dangerous they can be. I'm just saying, not every person here is an addicted teenager. Not every teenager is addicted.
....and no one else said either of those things either. I think the percentage may be high, but I alone am an example of not everyone being so. If I read someone sharing the information I have however, I wouldn't be down voting them or being defensive. Think about the message you are giving but not typing, hmmm? No one is making you do, or be anything, but it's how you come across that's key.
: Community is disgusting
It's bad yes, but sayings on these board, where there's more absolutely fanatic religious followers of this game is a little futile, no? I mean I waste my time talking of ranked match maker and how the game is aimed at keeping younger players addicted and hopelessly angry and going through accounts like water, BUT I expect down votes and fans to try and come at me, it's the ones who read and say nothing I HOPE to reach. I honestly think there's little to be gained from trying to be involved with any big form of community around this game (or any like it). Just carefully pick/add people here and there and gradually you'll have your own group of positive friends to talk to about the game. On the whole there's just a collection of very angry, frustrated, and angsty addicts here, who honestly know no better. Abuse is pretty much a cert.
Shamose (EUW)
: > Well generally yes. Only they don't try, there's no try involved. >Just look at this board. Teenagers ARE addicted. So where is the statistic that all teenagers are addicted? > Are you saying you're not? I'm not addicted and I'm not a teenager.
Uh huh. A gambler or alcoholic when asked, would probably give the same answer. If you're not a teenager, then this post obviously isn't for you. If you don't think there's games out there trying to get young players buy loot boxes etc, then I have to ask where have you been the last two years? Do you know of EA, are you playing literally anything other than LoL???? Just look at Apex legends right now and what's going on there!
Shamose (EUW)
: Just a repost from 3 years ago citing an article even longer before that basically saying that LoL tries to get teens addicted.
Well generally yes. Only they don't try, there's no try involved. Just look at this board. Teenagers ARE addicted. Are you saying you're not? feel free not to answer, looking on how much you comments on these board daily, I think I have my answer eh? ;)
: tl;dr pls
I could have done a TLDR (usually do) but I feel all that in my OP needs to be read properly. If you CBA, then that's fine. It's free to read laddie, it's not EA dlc. You're free to click on.
JustClone (EUNE)
: So, steam data was in fact correct, right son? And MOBA games are not on losing population? Just wanted to make sure it is clear...
Here's what's clear: you're often incredibly rude to others on this board. You're completely ignorant of anything said to you other than your personal beliefs & fanaticism.. ....and more importantly I believe I said once I seen you have a trend for being a naughty ill mannered little scamp I told you to run along. I did all that in clear sentences too, do you need pictures maybe, would this help?
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Pxerkza (EUNE)
: https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif
..... and what's what? Do I seem to you like someone who dwells on 4chan or something (if you don't know what that is don't go on it your parents will go mental)? A little meme or video doesn't suddenly make a good clap back when you pulled for b/s.
JustClone (EUNE)
: Son, last time I ask. Will you provide any proof for your statement or not? Is the data provided by Steam incorrect or not?
Little one, All i've said you can look for yourself. When I took a few seconds to do so, you .... did what. "oh I don't believe that, it wasn't steam player counts etc etc". Posting to multiple people on here as Son, does not make you mature, or really actually really able to use the term. You're neither a gangsta from west side or old enough to be a father. You just need to stroll through your post history to get that information. You even told someone at some point "i'm not sure your brain is set correctly" or something to that effect. You're one of the rude little denizens of this board who like to randomly chip in to belittle someone to rank shame them or some such. I sincerely don't have the time or patience for any of that. I think we've conversed enough now though so why don't you scamper on along and go find a kid to berate some where else on this board for not playing the video game correctly. Go on, there's a good lad. Off you pop now.... and try to be nice, or i'll tell your mother you're being rude to other kids on the internet.
JustClone (EUNE)
: It shows how the player base changed in the last 5 years. Since you never used any reliable sources, and just random "google" stuff. You need to click where it says "ZOOM", and select the scale "ALL". You will see that April 2015 has ~1m players. April 2017 has ~1m players and April 2019 has ~1m players. If you average the values, you will see no indications that there has been any decline in the last 5 years. This is why you should not read random shit from random places on the internet son... It is full with sponsored content and instead of "facts" it fills your head with "unreliable shitty data"...
Youngman, there is nothing you're typing there to again change the reality. You love MOBA's, I get that. Real fan of them. Little one, they are on the way out. If only because there's only so many champions they can come up with and rework before there's absolutely no balance anymore... Pretty much like the current meta of LoL. Explain the recent Buffs to Jax as example. Go on... tell me that was done by a team who actually play this game anymore...
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: https://eune.op.gg/summoner/userName=askin before i transfered to euw https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=ornndyr2k19 after i transfered to euw i told you i was diamond because you were spewing uninformed garbage and i was hoping that you would be smart enough to stop but i guess not
No, you lied. You literally lied. It's quite simple, if you can't make a point in a mature manner without making stuff up, don't. The minute, the SECOND you do, you're done. Over. A liar has no point to make, they're just either trying to blag a person or themselves. Either is equally as tragic. You are indeed done here. Feel free to utter a " I hate you" as you leave in a sulk. I've talked to many teenagers before.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: you are delusional to think that diamond players that got to diamond are shit just because there are a lot of ebay accounts also delusional to assume i paid for my account just because i am telling you that the skill of diamond players is way higher than what streamers lead their twitch viewers to believe boosted players exist in every elo win trading is a thing in challenger even if your go to argument is to dismiss my argument on the basis that there are boosted players in general then i have nothing more to say to you
Like i've had to do with a few other people on here: Hang on a moment YOU said you were diamond. Before you type anything else, literally anything: SHOW ME where it says your diamond. Or in fact playing ranked matches at all. You are all so very, very quick to type up a storm about make believe, but EVERY time I ask one of you to back up your claims while attempting to be elitist, you will eventually fall quiet. Because, you're not diamond, and anyone.... anyone with a few moments to spend can see you're not. "if your go to argument is to dismiss my argument on the basis that there are boosted players in general then i have nothing more to say to you" , this by the way doesn't work. That's not how you quickly scamper away when you've been called on the b/s you're trying to sell.
JustClone (EUNE)
: The thing I want you to do is to SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENT, that League of Legends and Dota 2 population has declined. Here is my source... https://steamcharts.com/app/570 You said and I quote here: >Have you ever heard the saying "facts don't care about your feelings". MOBA gaming as a whole is on a downward trend. Show me where is this downward trend you talk about. I do not want to read shit about fortnite or anything else. I want only proof that MOBA gaming is going away... I do not want to hear about streamers, money or anything irrelevant... If you cannot find any proof (good luck) of player base decline, I want you to state it EXTREMELY clear. I want to hear that that you have no proof that MOBA players are stopping playing MOBAs...
Well first, showing me Dota's stats on Steam prove what, exactly? ..and again a search on google that took me seconds literally seconds: https://www.game-debate.com/news/26054/fortnite-has-8-3-million-concurrent-players-over-6x-dota-2s-highest-peak-player-count That's from November last year. Fortnite's player base has gone up since, not down. Before the recent Loot box crap. Apex Legends was also breaking records. I'll tell you for the final time, MOBA's are indeed on a downward trend.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: you are delusional
So I personally have something going on in my mind? That it. Despite the many posts on these boards that are pretty much saying what I am. Or do you mean the possibility you're not diamond, and never have been https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/eune/PXERKZA Did you somehow think I wouldn't check this, despite the fact I've said numerous times I use Profofessor and check people's stats? You're about to tell me this is wrong, and a smurf account right?
Tasty Bread (EUNE)
: what can i say ur just bad or u some how tilt them hard thats the main problem if u shaco main u should watch some streamers iron-low gold is super easy to carry with shaco and ganking with him ... if u play lane u should extend your lead if u have it just by roaming to mid or from mid to top/bot or if u playing bot after destroying yourlanes tower ( and ur snowballing) u should trade lanes with top or mid so u can push...
> [{quoted}](name=Tasty Bread,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wqyBacVE,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-08-20T23:05:56.732+0000) > > what can i say ur just bad or u some how tilt them hard*snip* > so u can push... So your main point there is, for reasons you're not completely sure of I'm just bad. So bad infact I made other players randomly int, or go afk, even while helping them in game. Do you see the problems with your logic there. All i'm seeing here is: "Look right stop bullying my game, you're just bad a poopy head and I hate you. I love this game and instead of reading properly what you or anyone tells me, i'm going to defend this game and the skins i've brought and loot boxes and everything else..." All of that is fine, truly fine, BUT it doesn't stop the reality of the game that many even on these boards are trying to tell you. You can go at them one by one, suggesting "you're just bad" BUT that still won't change the situation: Ranked, the client, The Meta, the community, the punishment system, and champion balance and LoL in general are the worst they have been in 10 years. That's the reality. You can ignore it, you can deny it, but you personally cannot change it, only accept it. It's inevitable.
JustClone (EUNE)
: To be honest, I do not know where you get your data, that MOBA gaming as whole is on downward trend. (If you get your data from somewhere at all... and not just making up numbers) From 2014 to 2019, dota 2 has been on ~1m daily players. You can see fluctuations during the time, but there are the same number of players, that played this game 5 years ago. And there are no indications that this will change in the near future. As for LoL... it is more popular than dota 2 in magnitudes... So unless you have reliable data to prove, that MOBA gaming really loses their population, other than: "Ninja makes shitload of money"... Just step down son...
I will be sincere with you without personal bias or feeling (which is the complete opposite to your stance which is completely influencing your opinion & thus argument) this is from people from the industry and data you can access easily online, anywhere. As an example, not the best site but this was just plucked at random recently: https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/12/17456838/fortnite-125-million-players-tournament-world-cup This is from July last year. Another thing to mention for reasons unknown Minecraft has also exploded again and has pulled in more viewers than LoL recently on any major social media platform. You won't genuinely know any of this, as your not telling me any factual proper stats, just again a passion for something you're a fan of. There's a very important different here. As for calling me Son I HIGHLY doubt you're old enough to call many people that, even on these boards. LoL also by the way i'm sorry to tell you is definitely on a downward trend in popularity, Many streamers have moved on, the opinion of the client and ranked is most certainly not positive, and the company has many internal problems (just look at the staff protest recently and court cases levied against them this year). Son, and I know i'm old enough to call you that, the evidence is there for you to find about all of this. ALL the indicators are there.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: im a diamon player and im telling you how it is
There's absolutely no way to tell if you were boosted or straight out brought that account. I'll take the account of people I know, and streamers/ex pro players i'm afraid before I take the view of someone that very likely is highly bias about Riot and this game.
Pxerkza (EUNE)
: i think you misunderstood me by better i meant skill wise ie fewer lvl 30 clueless players inters trolls afks and toxic people are never going away from your games but the skill of the players increases the higher you go ofcourse it's subjective me saying that my teammate is completely braindead handless dumbass playing without a monitor in my diamond game doesn't mean that he can't stomp with ease in platinum for example
No, again you're still under the wrong impression. The higher skill you're talking about SHOULD be there in your matches, but it honestly isn't. Go ask Plat/Diamond players if they experience Rage Quits, feeders, etc. Go on, ask them. Also don't forget that the paid for boosting for higher elo (due to how taxing and negative climbing is atm) is absolutely everywhere now. So High gold, Plat, diamond and even Master has bronze/silver players in it.
: but its not tho is it otherwise id know about it.
It is. I've gone from Bronze to Silver with that option on. I've not read or used chat in game what so ever.
Zanador (EUNE)
: League has quite a few problems, but you seem to hold the misconception that being a team-based game is one of them. By your reasoning games like SC2, AOE2 or 1v1 modes in FPS games and CCGs should rule over all e-sports, but that doesn't seem to be true.
Team based games are fine. You are confusing LoL's lack of proper punishment or deterrent for toxic players as me saying ALL team games fall under that bracket. To be more clear LoL is the only major one I know of where trolls or an AFK player can determine your experience, with little control over it and possible punishment if you yourself go afk, and just keep you in game having a miserable time for 30 plus minutes. It has a surrender vote yest, but how often do people all say yes. You may say quite a few, but I know you'd be lying.
JustClone (EUNE)
: To say that Fortnite can replace LoL, means that you have no clue of gaming. It provides nothing to replace the experience of MOBA games. If anything, I would expect from you to make argument for dota 2... But even now, both games found a way to coexist. I play both of them on regular basis. And I do not see how animated version of hunger games can change the way I feel towards LoL or Dota... If I have to switch to something as someone from the Dota Allstars generation... I would swap to Minecraft. Not Fortnite... They run much better version of hungergames.
How you feel or what you prefer, has nothing to do with the reality. Have you ever heard the saying "facts don't care about your feelings". MOBA gaming as a whole is on a downward trend. I've been gaming for many years and worked in gaming retail for a good few. I know some people who work in the industry as well as Stream. Name me one, just one LoL streamer who makes as much as NInja or Doctor Disrespect. You will not find one. The current focus is (has been for last two years ot so) on Battle Royale, that's where the major money/ sponsorship/ and viewer counts are highest. I don't play those games. I'm not saying it because of what I personal enjoy, it's literally on factual evidence.
: thats league in a nutshell. actually the game won't get any better than this, judging by my own experience in plat
No i'm fairly sure it won't, and I don't think Riot expect it to either. TFT is just one of the new Revenue streams they will be working on now. They've had too many problems in house with staff and they are running real short on ideas now for champions etc as the roster is getting so bloated now. The client is also in need of a major overhaul, just look what adding TFT did to it for a few days after. In the next few years LoL's player base will decline accordingly.
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