Kabakadamn (EUNE)
: New Ban System
I think your idea would cause more problems. The toxic people get more frustrated, because they lose stuff and get demoted. That causes them probably to be even more toxic. Also manipulating the ladder is never a good idea. When the people get less LP, they just need longer to climb, but still should be placed higher. The ladder should show how good you are, not how nice you are. Same thing for demoting to lower tiers of the ladder. Another problem: When you manipulate the LP, you also have to think about the MMR. When you just reduce LP/placing, the MMR stays the same. The Gold 3 Flamer still ist in Gold 3 MMR, but is placed Silver now. He still plays against other goldplayers. Because of this, he has to get a lot of LP for winning. After all, his LP are calculated, based on his MMR. When you decide to manipulate MMR also, you just create an artifical smurf. What happens now, if the player gets his Gold MMR and placement reduced to Iron? He plays against other Ironplayers and stomps them. That sounds more like the opposite of what you would like to achieve. Also, you would cause a lot of deflation in the system. People lose MMR and LP but nobody gets it. Reducing the points in the system with every punishment. The system would need to handle that in some way. For example, over the season, more and more players get into lower tiers, making higher ranked players pretty rare. Or it could cause players to climb the ladder, without doing anything, because they get pushed up by the deflation.
nonamerx2 (EUNE)
: wait what? German? what nuttenbengel even means :D wrong account you got there. I am from estonia.
What are you talking about and why did it take you 2 month to read this? I talked to Mcgalakar. He asked, if there ever was a permaban without prior punishments. I showed him one case in the german board, that got verified as instaperma. Also "nuttenbengel" means something like "bastard" or "son of a whore". But I allready explained that one, before you asked.
Cwendir (EUW)
: You know what I would LOVE to see? Only honor level 2+ Can play ranked, this would defiantly create the positive community we need for this game! I like your concept, just needs a little tweak.
That sounds way better than paying every month for ranked.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
Thank you, now I will go educate myself about the Fair Play Alliance.
: It has been 3.5 years since I got permanently banned, for being toxic.
>If you're expecting me to create a new account so that I buy your products again, that will never happen, I'm playing Dota 2 where the worst punishment is about 6 months and not permanently in case of extreme toxicity. Actually, Riot tried to tell you with the permaban, exaclty that. Go somewhere else, they don't want you as a customer anymore. If Dota2 has no real consequenzes for toxic behaviour, that is Dotas problem, not Riots. >I already went through 24 hours ban in 2016, as next comes 1 week and then 6 months whenever one is within the worst behavior qualification. Did you come back to the League boards, to tell us, you are still toxic, but in another game? >In case of dedicated players who are likely to feel real passion for a competitive game, different types of emotions play an important role, but when it goes out of balance, it should be punished but not in this way IMO. And I think, you deserved your permaban and that way of punishing toxic people is the right decision. If you can't behave like a normal person, don't play League.
D4rkNexXx (EUNE)
: Ah the old fashioned : "I can't possibly lose an argument so let's say that he has no real arguments left even though my point is proven by the minute everyday."Goodbye sir.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but Zyzyx is right. When you decide to flame a troll, you are not helping anyone. In the worst case, that encourages more toxicity, in the best case, everyone mutes/ignores and reports you.
MattBGIYI (EUNE)
: My problem isn't specifically about me getting a penalty, it's about them not getting a penalty as well. I think that should have became clear by now.
It doesn't look like that. You are complaining about a system, you claim, is not working right. But you obviously lack crucial informations to judge the system. If you don't want informations about the report system and that includes getting corrected, you shouldn't talk about the report system.
MattBGIYI (EUNE)
: It is the Riot games nevertheless, it happened in the same game, in the same company. I'm pretty sure his case isn't the only one, but not everybody is e-celebrity so not everybody can offer the same resistance and influence and fight against unjust decisions, so people are just left to "deal" with it. Not to mention that this game represents SJW more and more, you can get banned for numerous things, when in the same time other people get away with ruining somebody's day. You can't say any swear words, so what's the point of the automatically enabled chat filter anymore? Nowadays this game requires you to be a pacifist and feel no emotions at all or suppress them on the inside and pretend it doesn't matter, which obviously isn't healthy. Getting harsher system and inquisitive bans and punishments on small heated arguments without personal insults clearly doesn't work. It's like wanting to ban alcohol so nobody drinks alcohol or make drugs illegal so nobody does drugs, but it doesn't work, does it. The only thing that this serves for is to make people more unsatisfied and unruly. People now are afraid to speak because every time they show they're displeased it can be viewed as flame and "omg toxic". {{champion:63}} Surely you can figure out why this game's popularity is dropping and why many people left it for dead, leaving mostly addicted people like myself to play it. People don't like ultimatums for superficial things.
>I'm pretty sure his case isn't the only one, but not everybody is e-celebrity so not everybody can offer the same resistance and influence and fight against unjust decisions, It is not necessary to be a celebrity. Just send a ticket and reply in it, if they answer, until they checked your punishment again. Everyone can do that, not only people with a fanbase. The only problem is, in most cases, the ban is justified and not unjust. What means, the ban will not get lifted and the people claim, they get treated different. >You can't say any swear words, so what's the point of the automatically enabled chat filter anymore? You can use swearwords. Just don't use them towards others. "%%%% you" can get punished "%%%% me" will not get punished. >Nowadays this game requires you to be a pacifist and feel no emotions at all or suppress them on the inside and pretend it doesn't matter, which obviously isn't healthy. You just are not allowed to let your anger decide, what you type in the chat. Calling other names, will get you punished. Telling your premades in voicechat or your screen, that you have the worst XY ever in your team, will do nothing to your account. > People now are afraid to speak because every time they show they're displeased it can be viewed as flame and "omg toxic". I am not afraid of using the chat. But I never used it to flame anyway, so I will get no CR or ban for my chat behaviour. I had a lot of nice moments, even in allchat with the opponents. >Surely you can figure out why this game's popularity is dropping and why many people left it for dead, leaving mostly addicted people like myself to play it. People don't like ultimatums for superficial things. As far as I am aware, the popularity since season 6 dropped just a little bit. There might be a lot of people leaving LoL, but that doesn't mean a decrease in player numbers. Old players will leave and new will join. It depends on what group is bigger, if the player base increases or decreases. And sooner or later every person will reach the point, where they stop playing league. I mean, I played MTG a lot, but haven't invested money or time into it for years. I just had less interest in MTG than in other stuff, meaning, I will do more other stuff and at some point that meant, my interactions with magic reduced to sometimes looking at cards of people I know or talk about the past.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sirrkas,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pqQHPxQ3,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2018-06-10T21:30:14.326+0000) > > The warning actually showed up, if you recently got more reports than usual. That would mean, for a nice player, for example, 2 reports in 20 games. > > I got a warning after getting reported as a "cheater" because I used Mikaels to heal my allies and safe them. That is probably also the reason, warnings don't exist anymore. They would only confuse clean players, if they are not well informed about the reportsystem (what nearly no one is). Even if a warning was given out like that, it had nothing to do with whether you were going to get a punishment or not. Getting invalid reports will never get you banned.
I am aware of that. But most people got worried, they did something wrong, even though, they just got reported without reason.
: I disagree.
I agree (to you), your excellency.
: > [{quoted}](name=MattBGIYI,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=pqQHPxQ3,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-06-10T15:30:49.634+0000) > > Also another bright example of how riot convinced me that their tribunal system doesn't work was in their old honor system. > I played a Blind Pick game, called jungle, locked the role and then some Shaco instalocked and wanted my role. > Turned out they were all premade and 10 minutes into the game, they all left, saying they'll report me. > Whole enemy team honored me, ally team reported me and after the game I got a warning about my "behavior". > There's no way you can convince me this game isn't bullshit. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}} The amount Reports themselves doesn't matter and more reports won't give you a punishment or warning if you don't deserve one. If you got a warning, it's because those reports were actually valid.
The warning actually showed up, if you recently got more reports than usual. That would mean, for a nice player, for example, 2 reports in 20 games. I got a warning after getting reported as a "cheater" because I used Mikaels to heal my allies and safe them. That is probably also the reason, warnings don't exist anymore. They would only confuse clean players, if they are not well informed about the reportsystem (what nearly no one is).
Sir Veigar (EUNE)
: If you go to 1 game, type "idiot" once and nothing else and get banned, the tribunal system would be f*cked up.
It wouldn't be %%%%ed up and furthermore, there is no tribunal anymore.
Pyrosen (EUW)
: Oh I only joined up in S7 so I wouldn't know, sounded like fun though
It really wasn't fun. It even was more likely, the least popular gamemode ever.
: The Bilgewater event for ARAM is the best thing riot did since the last 2 seasons
>The map is fresh The map was part of an event before. [Building butchers bridge](https://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/game-update/special-event/building-butchers-bridge-bilgewater-event) Seems like it was 3 years ago. [Promo](https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/bilgewater/) But the ARAM changes are nice so far.
: Was it 3 days ago? It seemed longer... oh well, thanks anyways! :)
I just hope the prices get out to the players before the event is over.
: no man there is a big difference about guys which has a mental problems and the man who are annoying from feeding enemies , soraka isn't an Uzi has a 100 % cooldown reduction , most adcs thinks that they are the best and their support is bad , there is a big difference between u are talking about and about mine
No, you said, trolls cause flame. That might be right. But trolls are not the mainsource of flames. Flamers that think, they have to tell their team, they are idiots, just because the match is not going in their favor, are way more often toxic. Real trolls are pretty rare. At least I interpret your statement about the reason of flame like this. If you, just like avi1g think being bad should be punishable, I have to say, No, it should not be punishable.
kriegnes (EUW)
: doesnt your brain focuses on the good memories? dont they always say that because the brain only really remembers the good stuff people tend to say that back in the old days everything was better?
I am not sure if that funktion has something to do with nostalgia and how it cancels the other out.
: No, there is not.
: It's a variation of Keep Yourself Safe, Kiss Your Sister, Knoxville Youth Sports, Know Your Students and so forth. You get the idea *wink wink*
I allready know, what was there, I just wanted to know, if there is an option to turn profanity off. Makes it easier to read chatlogs.
King Lego (EUNE)
: Very well then. Thanks.
Just to warn you, it will take one hour to see all of the videos and they are quite old. Edit: In the first video, he says, 98 % of players have the behaviour with the occasional bad days. It is around 3:40.
King Lego (EUNE)
: And i said "if it really is" {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} Who even has the statistics on toxicity?!? I don't even know if Riot has data on that.
Here are some infos from Riot about it. http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1017940/The-Science-Behind-Shaping-Player http://gdcvault.com/play/1022160/More-Science-Behind-Shaping-Player
King Lego (EUNE)
: If it really is 80%, then are we surrounded with snowflakes?!? What the hell is the point of the mute button if the chat toxicity is that high and game affecting?!?
It looks like you should work on your reading skills. English is not my native language, but "lets say" should mean something like "assume" right?
: are you actually trying to cover up the fact that you said k**? that word usually gets you instantly banned if you get reported
Is there a option to disable the profanity filter in this board? For me it shows just %%% in that line.
avi1g (EUNE)
: exactly this. The main reason for flaming is feeding sequence of terrible playing and Riot cant find a way to solve it. They have report for flame but no for the cause of flame.
No, the reason of flaming is flamers don't know how to behave and often misjudge situations or try to blame their mistakes on others.
: Riot doesn't have a good Rules for playing , they are giving a ban for the flaming and doesn't give a ban for the cause of flame , i think the Prevention is better than cure so they must change their judgment and their rules . (The Bogey Man)
Well, most of the time the flamer just start flaming because they "think" someone did bad. While actually, they just misjudge the situation. I had a Tristana, that flamed me, because I didn't heal her every 2 or 3 seconds as Soraka, an ADC that flamed our jungler, for "counterjungling" while he actually got caugth near drake and tried to execute at the enemy second tower but sadly, Morgana got some damage on him and she got a kill. Our jungler even distractet the enemy botlane and jungler for about 30 seconds, which means free farm for our ADC, but he didn't even notice, why the enemies were missing, resulting in free farm for him. To remove the cause of flame, we would have to remove all flamers or make them understand, that their flame is not the right thing to do. They don't flame because someone is trolling, they flame, because they want to. Often, to cover up their own mistakes. For example the Tristana above, jumped into Jhin, with his 4th shot ready, while she had 50 HP. She was allready out of range of him and could have easily escaped, but she wanted to die and blames it on the support.
kriegnes (EUW)
: you sure you play league of legends and not something else?
The ones the OP describes are actually pretty rare. Sure, I remember a lot of them, because of how toxic they were, but on the other hand, I can only remember one or two ADCs that were really nice and in those cases, I even forgot what they played, while my memory is way more accurate about the really toxic ones. But that is not the case because there are way more and way worse ADCs than nice ones, but because the human brain focuses on bad memories. For example, there was an Urgot ADC back in Season 2, that copied my items, because I got 2 kills in the laning phase as Leona. He said something about he is support now, because I got the kills and just bought exacly what I had. Then there was that Vayne, about 3 years ago, that started flaming me for "not using ult" as Lulu, while I clearly used it on her. That was during the time, a green dot showed if the ult was up but it often was buggy. I really don't get, how one can not see, to become huge and then blame me just because the dot is not working right. A Tristana about 1 or 2 years ago, that sought Soraka can heal every 2 seconds at level 3 and jumped into Jhin with his 4th shot ready, while she had only 50 HP and flames me for "not healing". I even pinged her my CD and she ignored it and flamed. On the other hand, a really nice ADC that had a bad game and said "mb" and "sorry" really often was in a match, where I can only tell there was a Gnar toplane, I supported in teamfights. I don't even remember, if I was Nami or Soraka and what my ADC was. Even though, that memory is way younger than the one from season 2 Urgot.
XxBen08xX (EUW)
: Don't worry I know that, I once got reported because I played Yi.
I got once got reported for "cheating" because I used the {{item:3222}} active to heal and rescue allies. As long as people will mainly report for sabotage, just because someone had a misplay, we should not expect to get a good system to check for trolls etc.
King Lego (EUNE)
: What same level yes? Flaming you can literally make the player shut up with the click of a button. Inting you can't do anything, and just sit there helpless and can't do anything except maybe pray you get fed enough to 1 v 9. So no. NOT the same level.
Well, the flamer still can make the other 3 players less productive. At the end, it doesn't really matter, if my team loses, because of a troll, making it a 4vs6 or a flamer, that starts a flame war and makes it a 3vs5. Also, there are way more people toxic in the chat than in their playstile. Lets say 80 % of the toxicity are from chat, why should Riot focus on the smaller 20 % of trolls?
: So, any updates on this?
> [{quoted}](name=Masantha,realm=EUW,application-id=yTagKVTg,discussion-id=WUk3OitA,comment-id=002b,timestamp=2018-06-03T15:10:59.040+0000) > Please be patient as it will take at least a week to get the shortlist to you all and open the voting, but watch for a new post when voting is announced! > > 3 days agot Masantha said, it will take at least a week.
: > [{quoted}](name=Sirrkas,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZHmHMA2h,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-06-04T22:11:33.507+0000) > > What Shiwah wrote. You get the message very rarely. There is no way to know, if someone got punished. Basing it on that message would just let it look like, nearly no one ever gets punished. But how can u be sure then, that someone is punished? It is not possible ? And does instant feedback comes only when there is a ban ? When there is chat restriction there is no message or i am wrong ?
As far as I am aware, the message seems only to be send, if it was a ban. But I am not totally sure about that.
RaresDRB (EUNE)
: Thanks so much, but i know maybe i was toxic, i think Game 1, all toxic words: %%%%%%ed yi, RIOT %%%%%%ed, 3 times i said stfu, urgot drunk, zoe go afk, go to school and learn english, stupid zoe, u %%%%%%, 8 times when i said "ff", %%%%%%ed players, u sucks. Game 2, all toxic words: 2 times i said stfu, u muted reported u useless, how stupid can be a player. ( this was in match ) and post game: how stupid can u are, you are so stupid, you brain is - idk if i rlly was toxic, this is ALL bad words in post game and in match. If its possible to get unbanned i will help you with PR, just saying{{sticker:cass-cry}}
Sounds like the ban is fine and will never be lifted. The ban is the consequenz of your decision to flame. Now you have to live with it. If you start a new one, you can try to become better in that regard.
meco78 (EUW)
: Wait correct me if im wrong as english is not my primary language . Autistic means someone selfish and careless about other humans feelings ? that s what i know from internet .In my country the term of KID isnt referred to age but to the act for being inpolite and rude .Autistic is for the act of being selfish . If i miss used the term then im sorry about it.
[Autism](https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-autism) That might help. It is just the first hit from google, so no guarantee it is totally correct, but should give a bit more insight.
meco78 (EUW)
: STOP YOUR UNDERGROUNG POV ABOUT SUPPORT -_-
That happens from time to time, but it is not tied to ADC and support. It happens on all positions.
King Lego (EUNE)
: I wouldn't be surprised if riot didn't bother with it. I guess too much money to pay?
A way bigger issue would be, manual reviews are way less objective.
: i can still browse the forums? is riot like actually %%%%%%ed?
Your board account and your ingame account don't share bans. Otherwise you would lose your account and the ability to play league, if you get a permanent ban in the forum.
: i m not a robot , yes i think i do the same... i dont know Riot why removed the "No team communication" report button? maybe Riot wants to be too many gamers , but every year many people leave this game
Because not talking to others is not considered toxic.
nonamerx2 (EUNE)
: Banned for being competetive
[Matchhistory](https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/EUN1/32093498) There is a gap in your matchhistory from 9th January to 25th. That ist just a bit longer than 2 weeks. Might it be, you got a ban at that time? There is also a 2 week break from 11/20 to 12/04. You could ask the support, if you received a 2 weekban and are not sure about it.
Mcgalakar (EUNE)
: If you do not agree with your penalty send a support ticket: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en But it is hard to believe to get a permanent ban without having a 14-days ban before (even if according to ToS it should be possible)
It happened. But the chatlogs were really, really bad. I just have one example in the german board, but that got confirmed by the support. [Link](https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/de/c/spielerverhalten-de/7PdEf3le-frage-perma-bann?comment=0009) Some of his insults are german. For example "nuttenbengel" would be something like son of a ####. But those cases are really rare. So far I have seen only 2.
: ***
You should read the whole topic, before you spam your links.
Orgo (EUW)
: Highlighting that player trolled is not a blame. I did not tell him directly. Calling player "bronze" is not an insult and I have never proven that, do not get where you pulling this from. I did not check their ranks. I just assumed it. I can assume anyone's rank and if they do not like it, it is their problem. I am typing this like fifth time. This is not an insult. If they are acting like "bronze" then I call them "bronze". If person is physically or mentally disabled, I call him disabled (this is a comparison). Other comparison would be, if I call person white or black I am just telling fact. If they get triggered it is their problem, not mine.
It is not my problem, if you insult people without noticing it and get a ban for it.
JenShen (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=The Cream Reaper,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Gf95jOaL,comment-id=0001000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-06-04T19:58:16.391+0000) > > by that logic, the laws and the police are useless because crime is still a thing. > > {{sticker:zombie-brand-facepalm}} again you didnt see my point ... if the crimes rates didnt lowered .. then the police is probably not doing a very good job and need to be improved and stop eating donuts i do not know, but if you live in town with 90% crime will you say hey the police is doing it's job ... you probably wont.
> if the crimes rates didnt lowered .. then the police is probably not doing a very good job Well, there could also be other factors that increased the crime rate, while the police did an excellent job, regarding the circumstances.
Orgo (EUW)
: Well, I do not know why there are words like "overweighted". Does calling an overweighted person "overweighted" instantly means that you are insulting him or her? It is not my problem if they see it as an insult. This is very similar. I called them "bronze" and "underages" because of their actions and behavior. If they are above bronze or mature people, they would deny that, but apparently they did not. I do not see a problem here.
If you are happy with your point of view, I am not preventing you from assuming that being right. But that doesn't change anything about your toxic chat.
Orgo (EUW)
: I am going to repeat myself last time. I did not blame anyone. Calling others "bronze" is not an insult and no one can prove that. Assuming player's rank is not forbidden. Off topic. I can see a lot of streamers using all these calls, insults etc. BUT they do it sarcastically or as a joke, everyone laughs and that is how it ends. There are loads of people watching those streamers who show example. Shouldn't they be viewed more strictly or something? I said that I am going to afk as a joke or called dude "bronze" and I got permabanned. And this is normal. I made this post to understand what others think, and I can conclude that this is becoming pathetic. As I said there will be time when one will get banned for talking stuff, which is not related to the game. Because that is the only way I can see Riot manage these things.
>I did not blame anyone. Your chat log clearly shows the opposite. >Orgo: k Orgo: fiddle is trolling Orgo: nice Orgo: wp Orgo: he has stopwatch Orgo: never used Just because he didn't use it, he is not necessarily a troll. You just blamed him for forgetting the item. That can especially happen, if he just unlocked it and even worse, maybe you called him a troll, for getting the item right after his death. > Calling others "bronze" is not an insult and no one can prove that. You proved it allready. You called them "bronze" based on their "behavior". You are aware, that bronze is below gold and while both (MF and Fiddle) had finished at least gold for 2 seasons in a row, you called them bronze. >Assuming player's rank is not forbidden. Since you used "bronze" to insult them, it is. In a game of gold players, calling someone plat or dia, would be praise. Calling someone bronze an insult. Bronze is probably considered an insult in every ranking tier. >Off topic. I can see a lot of streamers using all these calls, insults etc. BUT they do it sarcastically or as a joke, everyone laughs and that is how it ends. There are loads of people watching those streamers who show example. Shouldn't they be viewed more strictly or something? I said that I am going to afk as a joke or called dude "bronze" and I got permabanned. And this is normal. Streames get basically the same treatment as everyone. If they misbehave in the game, they can get punished, like everyone else. If they are celebrities, they also might get ID-Bans. In that case, they get permabans on all accounts that are used by them. You on the other hand, could make a new account and probably never will get an ID-Ban. >I made this post to understand what others think, and I can conclude that this is becoming pathetic. As I said there will be time when one will get banned for talking stuff, which is not related to the game. Because that is the only way I can see Riot manage these things. If you think so, you are free to leave. It doesn't look like that for me.
Orgo (EUW)
: I listen to everyone who leaves a comment here. Your phrase with "velkoz" is not cool. Because there were 4 sentences in that case. "They" started blaming me for losing my lane and inting etc. (which I did not do). My opponent was Vel'Koz. So I replied: Orgo: cant i have bad games? Orgo: it happens Orgo: velkoz is a good player Orgo: very good And I did defend myself. Shushing them is kind of defense. All that "blaming" and "flaming" stuff. Did I do this? I just assumed they are "bronze" and "underages" because they were acting like that. I do not get why people think that is flame. They got called the way they were acting.
> Your phrase with "velkoz" is not cool. Because there were 4 sentences in that case. I don't get what you mean. I know there are more sentences regarding that. But I don't claim, that part was toxic. But the way you phrase the part about self-defence has as one option, to assume, you got punished for the part, you were not toxic in, what is not correct. > I do not get why people think that is flame. They got called the way they were acting. Telling what you think is true and insulting someone does not exclude each other. You can insult someone by calling him an a##hole, claiming it is the truth, doesn't make it not an insult. It would also be considered insulting, to call someone a fat cow, regardless, how fat that person is. But since you claim it was not insulting. Why should it not be meant to insult them, to call them the lowest possible ranking tier (what is in an ingamechat nearly allways used to insult) or assume, they were not adults, what in your opionion seems to be inferior to adults. > I just assumed they are "bronze" and "underages" because they were acting like that. That part alone should show, you are aware of these words being insults. Since you try to tell them with those words, to be inferior by acting like inferiors. Would you find it not insulting, if someone called you names, even though, from the other perspective it also could seem like you are acting like, whatever the person calls you?
Orgo (EUW)
: One chat log and permaban? No instulting. Nothing THAT severe. IMO it does matter, because the "system" is automated and it focuses on the match you got most reports on, or at least you got a lot on. It found something like "stfu" - PERMABAN. I literally got insta banned after leaving the lobby. How can human being be that fast reading all chat logs and looking into it closely?
>One chat log and permaban? One chatlog after your 2 weekban. >No instulting. Just because you claim calling others bronze and underage is no insult, doesn't make your log insult free. >Nothing THAT severe. For severe chat violations you can get a 2 weekban or permaban without any former punishments. >IMO it does matter, because the "system" is automated and it focuses on the match you got most reports on, or at least you got a lot on. No, it doesn't work like that. If you get reported, it checks your behaviour. If you misbehave to often, it highlights a few chatlogs and gives you a punishment. It sometimes show the wrong chatlog, but this one would have been enough to justify a CR and a 2 weekban + CR would become a permaban. The system doesn't care, if you got 1 or 9 reports in that game. It cares about your chat. >It found something like "stfu" - PERMABAN. It found a lot more. Calling others bronze, blaming teammates etc. >I literally got insta banned after leaving the lobby. How can human being be that fast reading all chat logs and looking into it closely? I never claimed a human would check it. The system works really good in judging chatlogs, that is why there is no need to check it manual again. If you complain about your punishment via supportticket, the support will check your chatlogs. You said they did and your chatlog was toxic. That means, your punishment will remain unchanged. If you want informations about how the system works, you can check the [volu library](http://en.volu-eu.org/library.php). But at this point, it doesn't seem like you really care about that. You probably just want to see someone telling you, you got punished unfairly, what is not the case.
Orgo (EUW)
: You know what I meant, If you talk like this then I am not responding to these sh*ttalks :)
Yes, I know what you meant: >So this game happened, where I got premade of two on my team. I noticed one of them was trolling so I said so (literally without any inflammatory). After that they started spamming chat, that I was flaming etc. I DID NOT do that. Yes, I admit that I had to mute them, **but for my information there is no rule that self defense is not allowed.** All I did was try to shush them, called them "bronze" and "underages", because they were acting like that. But is this offensive in any way? You either define blame and flame as part of "defending". That is not correct. You will also not get punished for claiming in the chat, not having done anything wrong. That are the only 2 options I can see, why you should phrase it like it is not allowed to defend yourself. If you haven't meant anything in that regard, why did you phrase it like that? I also don't get, why you ask for our opinions about your chat being offensive or not and then refuse to listen to others.
Orgo (EUW)
: They did abuse it, because they falsely shouted about things I did not do. And me not talking in all chat (not defending) ended up in every member of other team reporting me. That are facts and you cannot disagree with that. This is literal abuse of report system.
No, because they can't abuse it that way. Regardless of what they tell others in the chat about you and how many reports they can gather, you will not get punished, without being toxic yourself. If they would have abused it, that would have looked more like trying to force you to flame in chat, by threatening you. And in that case, you could get punished, but the support should revert the punishment and ban the abusers, if you write a ticket about it. Also, you can not know, how many reports you got. There are even players, who announce to report but don't do it.
Orgo (EUW)
: The part about their behavior I agree with. I was just wanted to make an opinion of what I was facing. Again with the "bronze". Still I do not see it as a mock and no one can prove that because no one is me, but myself. And I did defend myself. Orgo: cant i have bad games? Orgo: it happens Orgo: velkoz is a good player Orgo: very good ..................................................... Orgo: stfu already ..................................................... Orgo: did i say noob in this game? :DDDDD Orgo: get sober
You tried to make it look like, you got punished for "defending yourself". So, either you count blaming als self-defence or you just tried to tell me, you got a ban for "velkoz is a good player".
: > [{quoted}](name=Sirrkas,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZHmHMA2h,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-06-04T21:59:14.948+0000) > > You can't know if nothing happened. The message you sometimes get, is very rare and not getting it, doesn't mean, the player didn't get a punishment. The only thing you could check would be bans, if you stalk their profiles. If the player got a CR, there is no way for you to tell, if he got one or not. Wait, wait ! Explain me more because it seems i know wrong :D All i know is when i report someone after 5-10 mins there should be an instant feedback and from this feedback i m sure that he got punished. Right ?
What Shiwah wrote. You get the message very rarely. There is no way to know, if someone got punished. Basing it on that message would just let it look like, nearly no one ever gets punished.
Orgo (EUW)
: I understand that people sometimes fail and that is ok, I do it also. But when someone highlight it I do not immediately jump on them with curses etc. That is what they did. Like INSTA. And trust me, that player DID troll, you should watch the replay, I did not make an elephant out of it, they did. And with that "blame" stuff, I did not address directly to him, I just called it out loud. "You literally did what you're claiming you didn't." Trust me, if I said I did not, that means I did not. Still do not get that "sarcasm" part. Long story short, in overall League players are the softest and most sensitive (This is not an offense in any way, just my opinion). Everything went pretty simple, two dudes started screaming in all chat about how I flamed them (I deny this), AAAAAND then whole lobby made their opinion about what douche I am, which sums up in a lot of reports. These players just abuse report system and they win. Easy as that. And that is ok, let them do this. You know "everyone is equal". Pathetic.
You were toxic, regardless if the others were worse. They didn't abuse it, they just used it properly. That doesn't mean, they behaved right in the chat, but if you used the reportsystem correct, they will face similar consequenzes sooner or later, if they don't stop flaming.
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