: Why do People have the need to smurf?
Cause its the only real way to test out champions. Normal game's are brain dead, its uneven and the game never lasts long enough for you to do anything. Also there is nothing to gain after hitting the rank you want. Me personally i'm a diamond player very comfortably, i have no reason to torture my self and try to hit anything above D4 because its not worth the time or stress to have to deal with coinflips. If riot didn't cap the crappy rewards at gold, then more people would climb and try improve. Climb above gold is either to test your skill or boost your Ego. So its either be forced to play really bad and boring normal game's, hit up flex or make a new account to semi challenge your self.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=3o08PTIp,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-05T19:38:02.557+0000) > > https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ZQ3WELTy-tahm-top Made the post about 6 days ago and on wait down voted. People will not accept something is broken, unless the pro's abuse the shit out of it. Casual League players, as soon as you complain about something they start shrieking about it. Even if the complaint is valid. Especially with bugs, which I totally dont understand. There are some champs that I play that have severe bugs or things that don't quite work as they should and I say it. Every time I do I get screamed down for it, people have to leave their anger from losing games somewhere, guess the forum is the best place to do so.
I'm Diamond player and have played this game for years, i understand when a champ is broken. Unless pro players abuse the champ then the boards won't care because they haven't faced it yet, or it isn't norm. Just like sion and banner of command, no one carried until it broke the game and every person around abused it to the point of no return. Tahm top is pretty much un counter-able unless you have some mad dps to get through his tankiness. Also his q hit box is next level, i've had it miss and still hit.
: Punishment system.
https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behaviour-en/R3Yi2s4N-permanent-bans?comment=0003 There was a post made about this... https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/off-topic-en/8wcMr1Jh-improve-your-bloody-ban-system Or this.
: Yeah for some reason most people here defend the game like it's perfect or something.
Small minded people hate seeing their free ticket to climb nurfed, aatrox and tahm need addressing, but people will defend it all they can. Cause hey its free lp at the end of the day if you're semi decent.
: How come Tahm is not disabled yet?
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ZQ3WELTy-tahm-top Made the post about 6 days ago and on wait down voted. People will not accept something is broken, unless the pro's abuse the shit out of it.
Rioter Comments
Adama (EUW)
: so many trolls in low diamond lmao I've played this game for 7 years and never have I seen it worse.
You think you have it bad? I hit P1 with 72% win rate, and I've lost 3 diamond 4 promo's in less then a day because all i get is boosted ape's, now i'm down back to 0 lp because i'm getting monkeys who give about 5 kills in the first 5 mins of the game, then proceed to troll. So i'm slowly start to troll as well, they wanna lose my game's ill lose them Lp. Sadly its the only way to go, the more i try to win and climb the more trolls so i get. So if i can't beat them, ill join them. Oh ye and last season i hit D3 promo's lost both because extreme feeding, then dropped back to D5 in less then a week. Diamond is not worth it anymore duo how bad match making is.
Cypherous (EUW)
: Not sure how that counts as "good" it means you've done something stupid before and i remembered your name :P
Cypherous (EUW)
: Your name is familiar :P
Rioter Comments
: You can play drafts. Or Flex. To learn how to play around them.
you're still not getting the gist are you? Unless you're playing some heavy dps champs you're not gonna do shit against them. I've played this game for 9 yrs i can see op shit from a mile away.
: That's your personal problem that you don't even want to overcome.
I've tried and lost enough lp, i'd rather tank that 3lp loss then the 14. Tell me how you going to beat em, when you're dead before aftershocks worn off? Where talking going up vs D4 players, not silvers.
: Runing from fears is not good option...
Nah man just isn't going happen, ik free loss when i see one.
Rioter Comments
Trias000 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UWEn7EcA,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T23:18:12.287+0000) > > i'm just a lot better then these people. My climbing is stopped by others. Said every player in League of Legends.
But my win rate show's that... I'm better. If i wasn't good then i'd be sitting at 50% win rate, not 72%. Also its more about being allowed a dodge in promo's so you're not forced to lose game because other can take advantage of your situation. You can say all you want, but my stats show that my skill is a lot higher then my current rank. Since i manged to go from P4-P2 and skipped p3 which usually is impossible.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=UWEn7EcA,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T21:53:12.032+0000) > > It means i have to play more games then needed to climb On average - no. You will get "free" loses when you get bad comps, autofilled players etc. But you'll also get free wins when that happens to the enemy team. Overall, you gain nothing and lose nothing. Ironically, you only really lose time when someone dodges.
https://gyazo.com/3141e4fc82722b3f3e6f9a665cc0f8bd Ye climing because "others" Nah i'm climbing because i'm just a lot better then these people. My climbing is stopped by others.
Trias000 (EUNE)
: So what's the problem? If you're good enough, eventually you'll win your promos. Losing one of them is not the end of the world. Especially with a free win after that.
It means i have to play more games then needed to climb, if you're not dodging game's then you're going to struggle climbing. The higher the elo the more you have to dodge so you don't get %%%%ed over by match making. The chances you winning a game in D+ with some who never plays the role are slim as %%%%.
: Autofill jgl, autofill sup, autofill top. Have a nice promo, sir.
Third time i went 3-0 with normal teams, and with no one auto fills. already in p3 promo's with 70% win rate.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > I never said i was stuck? Note the "if" > If you've got under 50% win rate in your own elo then you're clearly boosted. Not really, it just means you were incorrectly placed which can happen a lot during placements due to the massive gains you're given for winning, so if you got pretty lucky you could easily be placed far too high and you would need to lose quite a bit to be demoted correctly > (This account is boards account which was sitting at 60% win rate before 8 game losing spree in plat. But my other account is at 68% win rate Would of been 70+ if hadn't go trolled in 3 promo game's) So the first question is, why do you need 2 accounts and why are you not posting on that account, i mean, you're ranked higher on this account than the one you linked, and considering you're smurfing in a lower ELO bracket a higher winrate is hardly surprising, it would be like a challenger playing in bronze, doesn't really indicate their actual skill level
How am i playing in lower elo when i'm vsing plats and diamond in gold? That's not low elo...
Cypherous (EUW)
: > There is no winning when your team is boosted to oblivion. Do you have evidence of ELO boosting or are you just making assumptions about things? my money is on the latter > Stop trying to give me advice i've got a D4 account i know how to climb. Cool, then go and do it, i mean if you're stuck that clearly means you don't have what it takes to climb, especially if you're just out to blame your team for losing > Or else my win rate wouldn't be 70% would it? If your winrate was 70% you wouldn't be complaining about the occasional bad player as you would still continue to climb even with them there, your winrate as of 10 days ago on op.gg was 56%, and looking at the last 10 days of ranked matches you have 0 ranked matches played according to your match history, so where are you getting a 70% winrate from exactly?
I never said i was stuck? When did i say i was stuck? Where am i'm i complaining i can't climb? I simple asked that we have a dodge available for game's i now full well are losses. If you've got under 50% win rate in your own elo then you're clearly boosted. (This account is boards account which was sitting at 60% win rate before 8 game losing spree in plat. But my other account is at 68% win rate Would of been 70+ if hadn't go trolled in 3 promo game's) https://gyazo.com/859c855a4f6ab4f221b8b3a9584fa3de I can carry game's every easy as long as my team doesn't go on feeding spree and loses the game by 15 mins. Your advice is piss poor, have you even played ranked before at a decent level other then bronze?
Cypherous (EUW)
: Yes i saw the screenshot, and you "carry" by taking charge during the match and by being positive and by trying to get your team to work as one, i'm willing to bet there was a lot of pointless flaming going on in that match, some of it probably from yourself, you win by keeping your team together as a leader, if you can't do that then you deserved the loss, its the same for the matches i lose, its because I didn't do enough to keep things working, stop looking at everyone elses failings and think what YOU could have done better to assist them
There is no winning when your team is boosted to oblivion. Stop trying to give me advice i've got a D4 account i know how to climb. Or else my win rate wouldn't be 70% would it?
Rarylith (EUW)
: So true and if you get disconnected then you automatically loose promo, that has happened a fair few times, or someone will be mad because someone else banned their shaco and will play disco nunu and you loose your promo cause no one dodged
Its not even that, like one game i had a cait with 36% win rate, look at the screen shot and the other 2 game's both my junglers where autofilled top mains, who'd never jungled! How the %%%% do i compete with that when match making is %%%%ing me from the get go.
Cypherous (EUW)
: Yes you still need to prove you deserve that promotion, you odn't get to pick and choose your battles when it counts, if you can't carry well enough to deal with this sort of stuff then do you really deserve it
Did you even see the screen shot? How do i carry that? Care to explain? I played the 3 promo's game's 2 day, I had 2 top mains as jungler's and both did shit, and one game a team with a combined total of over 30+ deaths. So tell me how do i win?
Cypherous (EUW)
: No, because you're supposed to prove you deserve to be promoted and that you can carry a team, also, unless you're psychic you don't know the scores until the match ends when you can't dodge :P
Prove to riot i'm not gold when i'm playing p2's and d4 in gold 1... While the P2 players are getting 10+ deaths plus...
Rioter Comments
: Solo Queue is not worth the grind for Plat+
To be honest no point playing after gold, But anything around Gold 1 and Plat 4 are just a bunch of boosted players. I get better players in silver and low gold then i do high gold/low plat. The higher i go the worse the team gets, since they're un-carry able people. The worst elo is 100% plat %%%%ing 4.
Black0Price (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=LordBadToo,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R3Yi2s4N,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2019-05-20T14:08:23.995+0000) > > I've gotten feedback that people were punished for games I have reported in which all the guy did was say "You suck, uninstall". > > So your wrong about that. > > Also if you really want to see a guy banned, you make a ticket, then their is a real person who is going to look at that game. That can get you banned as well. > > No one wants toxic players in their game, this isn't about being buttheard, this is just integrity and respect for the E-Sports community. You want to be a trash talking infant, go do it elsewhere. - I just wanted to say something , when making a ticket to riot about a player like reporting or something , they don't really care if u didn't report him after the match, they don't do anything with tickets because I have submitted about like 3 tickets for some negative players and all they can do is to say we can't do anything , u have to report him after the match ... so Riot agents cannot help you actually even if u had solid evidence of screenshots ... also The reporting system after the match is handled by AI system
The ticket system is a bot also, its very rare any ticket will be acted upon. I've send video evidence and its always the same response. In all the tickets i've sent 1 person has got punished and that was because he was taking smite bot lane as support and trolling. Dude was 0W-20L. Averging about 12 deaths a game, and i repeat only got banned because i sent the ticket or else the system wouldn't of got him.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R3Yi2s4N,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-05-19T11:41:14.185+0000) > > I've said this before and will say again if you're getting butt hurt over words, when you're playing an online competitive game then you really shouldn't be playing the game. Its funny how you can get a Perma for being toxic, while there are several options to mute some one, yet its near impossible to even get any sort of flags on your account for running it down mid/soft inting and trolling. Riot will never change their policy because it generates them more money to perma ban people and the easiest way to do that is through chat, as long as you don't speak you can soft int 50+ game's in a row and never receive a punishment. I've gotten feedback that people were punished for games I have reported in which all the guy did was say "You suck, uninstall". So your wrong about that. Also if you really want to see a guy banned, you make a ticket, then their is a real person who is going to look at that game. That can get you banned as well. No one wants toxic players in their game, this isn't about being buttheard, this is just integrity and respect for the E-Sports community. You want to be a trash talking infant, go do it elsewhere.
You think tickets work? I've sent tickets with video proof of people trolling in my game and i get the same response. A bot. Riots ban system is only made to ban people who type in chat, its simple as that. Players go 20+ game's inting yet nothing will be picked up, but so say a few bad words to some one who's inting and bam chat restriction or even better a ban. No one wants toxic player's well unlucky, its competitive online game people get mad, such is life get used to it. Don't like the words mute em and move on. Go find me competitive game that doesn't have toxic people i'll wait.
: ^^^glad someone had the balls to say it on boards, everytime somebody says it you get massively downvoted, streamers have experimented inting and have gotten away with soft inting/griefing but any mention of "%%%" and you get an insta ban its crazy. Got one of my accounts unbanned and i had to give massive context to the Rioter and after extensive search he removed the bans
https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/off-topic-en/uifN7jtJ-perma-ban?comment=00120000000000000000000000000000 I made this same post 6 months ago, when they banned my main of 9yrs. https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/off-topic-en/8wcMr1Jh-improve-your-bloody-ban-system And check this out...
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R3Yi2s4N,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T14:57:07.728+0000) > > Oh yes you do when you're investing your own time into trying to climb, yet other people are destroying the fun and enjoyment. Yes maybe i can take a loss or 2 with out being mad, but when you've lost 8 game's in a row because you're bot is feeding, or the junglers is autofilled even so when your team refuses to listen to calls and loses you the game. That's a lot of time you're not getting back. I'm losing game's to less skilled players before of others poor choices, because match making sucks. - Why should they follow the calls of someone that is not better than them (Matchmaking has you at their exact skill level) - Why would their feeding autoamtically be intentional instead of simple mistakes ? You have your skillset, they have theirs. Spoiler alert : even in Challenger skillsets differ from one player to another. And as a closing argument : Flaming someone that ints just contributes to deteriorating the atmosphere, thus lowering ONCE MORE the fun your other mates can have. Remember those other mates also invest their time. You're too entitled. Grow up.
I smurf a lot i enjoy getting new account to diamond since high elo game play is very stale and mostly one sided. Right let some stop you right there, i'm current on my new account at 70% win rate, yet match making still matches me with players who'm are not even at 50% with the old system with that kind of win rate i'd playing with low plat's, instead i still play with low golds. I'm very good at giving advice and dictating the game, but when people refuse to listen to simple calls it gets me mad. One of many example's ( I'm a Feed pantheon i can 1 shot the adc or pull at least 2-3 people bot side, so i tell me team to go baron, my team refuses and i die with us getting nothing) The trade of would been a free baron for 4 members of the team, while i either get a even trade or we get baron. But they'd rather waste time and roam around getting nothing. People are just bad, and can't accept when some who's a tad bit more skilled offers to help them out, then complain when you're getting mad because they keep refusing to listen to sound advice to help with the game. (Like play safe you're behind, just cs, don't enter jungle with no vision) I could go on.
: > [{quoted}](name=Son of spartar,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R3Yi2s4N,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-05-19T14:45:23.720+0000) > > That's the point, they're focusing on the wrong people, its an online competitive game you're expect to see people get mad, when they're losing game's which are out of their hands. So banning people for being toxic shouldn't really be a thing, expect unless is extreme. But calling, people bad, boosted, crap shouldn't be a cause for a perma ban when you still got people running it down mid. I'd rather have a flamer then a inter any day of the week. I'll have none of them. The tragedy of this reality is that the worst offender is the harder to detect. Removing both types of toxic behaviors is the end goal. I don't know why you should focus more on the "competitive" part of the expression "competitive game". Yes, LoL is competitive. But it's also a game. You don't get to behave like an asshole due to your extreme sense of competition.
Oh yes you do when you're investing your own time into trying to climb, yet other people are destroying the fun and enjoyment. Yes maybe i can take a loss or 2 with out being mad, but when you've lost 8 game's in a row because your bot is feeding, or the junglers is autofilled or even when your team refuses to listen to calls which end up losing you the game. That's a lot of time you're not getting back. I'm losing game's to less skilled players before of others poor choices, because match making sucks. I loss in diamond means you have to play 2 more game's just to get back your lp, that's an extra 40 to 120 mins wasted because of 1 loss.
Yraco (EUW)
: Keep in mind that soft inting is pretty hard to detect compared to typing in chat. Toxic chat is super easy to spot because the logs are right there as solid evidence of the fact that someone chose to do something against the TOS; soft inting is difficult to spot because there is no solid evidence that they weren't simply playing badly.
> [{quoted}](name=Yraco,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=R3Yi2s4N,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-05-19T13:53:36.093+0000) > > Keep in mind that soft inting is pretty hard to detect compared to typing in chat. > Toxic chat is super easy to spot because the logs are right there as solid evidence of the fact that someone chose to do something against the TOS; soft inting is difficult to spot because there is no solid evidence that they weren't simply playing badly. That's the point, they're focusing on the wrong people, its an online competitive game you're expect to see people get mad, when they're losing game's which are out of their hands. So banning people for being toxic shouldn't really be a thing, expect unless is extreme. But calling, people bad, boosted, crap shouldn't be a cause for a perma ban when you still got people running it down mid. I'd rather have a flamer then a inter any day of the week.
mcheema4302 (EUNE)
: Permanent Bans
I've said this before and will say again if you're getting butt hurt over words, when you're playing an online competitive game then you really shouldn't be playing the game. Its funny how you can get a Perma for being toxic, while there are several options to mute some one, yet its near impossible to even get any sort of flags on your account for running it down mid/soft inting and trolling. Riot will never change their policy because it generates them more money to perma ban people and the easiest way to do that is through chat, as long as you don't speak you can soft int 50+ game's in a row and never receive a punishment.
Murdarici (EUNE)
: yes so many inters in this games like this guy https://i.gyazo.com/99345344d94167de20dfd3e9639d430f.png pls riot
The nunu game wasn't even my fault for starters, and i just gave up on the yi game because why not. When all your lane's are solo losing there isn't much to do expect enjoy dying to the over feed enemy jungler.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: I don't think he was inting, he may have just had a bad game. I really hate Yasuo players too, don't get me wrong, but looking at the kill map, he died on your side of the map 90% of times, never under enemy tower (which is impressive for a Yasuo player), and several times under his own turret. I haven't seen the game, but purely based on the kill map, he just got destroyed and didn't do it intentionally. Edit: checked the times, his first few deaths have been very close to his own turret. He probably underestimated Jax once, Jax got a kill, and snowballed that much that Yasuo wasn't even safe on full health under his own tower, and this snowballing just got worse and worse. I find it highly unlikely he was inting. The kill map really reflects the deaths of someone who died a few times, then got dove, and no matter where he went he got killed because he was in such a big disadvantage. Both his CS and damage to champions just confirm that he was actually trying but got annihilated by Jax. There's also a chance Jax was a smurf.
Wanna know why he died at his own turret? Cause he just kept walking to jax and letting the guy just kill him. In he is own words "Don't care about this game anymore, not going to try" then proceeded to run into the enemy and just give him kills even under turret because he wasn't fighting back. Then went split pushing and died a few times to eve, even tho he was pinged to sit in base and farm. That's inting to me.
: the one whos flaming them will get permabanned
Sadly that's always the case. Run it down mid 50 game's + nothing, say a couple bad words and bam your account is gone.
Smerk (EUW)
: it's kinda hard to say without context. Just based on that picture I would guess around 0% chance
There is always 0 chance, as its classified as a "Bad Game" as long as he doesn't speak or say anything offensive. 30 min game.
Rioter Comments
: https://i.imgur.com/4G1z43R.png[/img] Also me. My friend is pretty much kinda a beginner and im around Silver I because I tried last season to do the placements but still why do I have to play gainst dudes that are almost diamond {{sticker:sg-shisa}}
New system won't allow me to play with higher ranked players, so i didn't have to deal with all these hard stuck noobs. All i wanted to do was get my account to diamond, and enjoy the ride, instead i have to play 100+ more game's because match making suck ass. (This game's ins't new player friendly)
: ***
The problem is that the company has shifted its values to make as much money as possible and boost the pro scene instead of actually trying to make the game more fun and enjoyable. All we can do is suck it up and carry on or complain and wait for changes that are never going to happen because riot won't listen.
: It's impossible to have a decent discussion about this. Riot and fanboys will give you as an example, smurf, which they go quickly to diamond+... but guess what 95% of the people playing the game are not smurf. Many are trying to climb in a decent way and then you get this: (a B4 feeder Sejuani) https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/4025891935/32217842?tab=overview and the next match was exactly the same.... you play with unranked people that has no clue about matchups, what SS is, wards, roaming, or anything in between... so all of you can defend the MMR as much as you want but is clearly not working. For god sake, I have a 52% winrate and sometimes I went to 60%+ and still, most of the time I get 16/19 LP when I win and I lose 19, which is plain ridiculous. And forget for a second the competitive ranked part, and let's suppose you wanna enjoy the game.. the only time I do is when my team stomps the other... because usually there is no in-between, and you can see the same in MSI, once a team gets a lead that's it, is 90% guaranteed they will win which is boring at best. Why do you think Riot tried positional matchmaking? Because the system is working fine as it is? Please
Fan boys will always be fan boys, its the moto has always been you'll climb if you're good. No you'll climb if you put over 200+ game's a season just so you bloody go even. Current game Jungle and bot 34 deaths. How the %%%% do you carry or even try to break even when every mother %%%%ing lane around is feeding the ass off. Unless you're playing some next level 1-5 champ or you'd duo abusing the chances you're hitting diamond are very slim.
: I dropped from 60% to 51% wr, hmm. How did that happen? Well, botlane. Issue is, silver/gold elo botlane is like aram. Either your side stomps or gets stomped. And since there's 2 people on bot, if 2 players are losing and 2 players are hard winning it becomes a 3v7 at the **VERY** least if the rest of your lanes are not feeding. I also had dogpoop mm after I got 60% wr, consecutively placed with 40% wr players just done enough to get back to silver 2.
Ye its a piss take, even in plat i keep getting these low win rate players. Its been like that from bronze to plat so far. https://gyazo.com/1f54b44c60d061b21c399826ff43e91b Current game 3 people with 10+ deaths.
: So it must be some kind of troling day probably in Riot HQ
Doubt full, its just really bad match making most of them time.
: Is it trolling day today?
Don't worry i've also lost 4 game's today because of trolls. Riot excellent match making.
Chrysies (EUW)
: You are refering to the very start of the season which have been corrected, as well as a reset from Diamond and above. Riots match making does not factor into the error they made with LP gain & losses. You need to learn to seperate the two.
That was a factor, cause last season i was skipping division with 60%+ win rate, this season i manged to skip Silver 4-2. Cleary the new division and and lp gain/loss has %%%%ed match making up. It mean people manged to climb a lot easier because they where gaining more lp per win... So player who's should be in the division got a free ticket.
Chrysies (EUW)
: The new tiers have zero impact on their match making mate, nothing has changed in that regard.
Every thing changed, see what happened if you had rank last season, you'd pretty much start of at the ranked. But every loss only made you lose about 3lp so its was possible to be at a super negative win rate, while also maintaining your current rank. But also you gained really high lp gain if you was keeping a decent win rate. Earning 30+ compared to the 15-20 last season made a lot of people jump division when they clearly don't have the skill. So now you get ranked full of unskilled players who don't belong there.
Chrysies (EUW)
: Riots match making is purely looking to average the **_teams_** MMR, which is why a shitload of games are wildly unbalanced, and why you see people with dogshit wr.
riot %%%%ed match making when they added the new tiers and forgot to keep the Lp gain the same, so every noob who was gold last season manged easy plat this season because they where earning 30+ lp and losing 3-10Lp because the system is %%%%ing broken. Every unskilled player manged a free division increase because riot didn't cap the %%%%ing lp.
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Antenora (EUW)
: You also used Stoneplate.......... Don't buy or use stoneplate vs Vayne/Kog.......
Stone plate wasn't even activated properly or else my hp would been a lot higher then 3.4.k...
: I don't know if I am mistaking here, but I think you don't get lifesteal from truedamage? So she would just heal from her physical damage like everyone else would too.
(I may be wrong tho) I'm sure you still heal and more since its (True damage) or else how can a vayne with 200hp withstand thornmail with only BOTRK. But item do help the more Attack speed/effect item increases her dps meaning more true damage taken in a shorter time. If she had I.E or Witz end most likely would never even been able to touch her.
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