Wex0r (EUW)
: i feel for your dude but i feel for the other 9 people who´s game is ruined becuase u didnt connect more. I know its not your fault but if they didnt have a punishment in place people would just quit games when they didnt get the champ they wanted ect.
> [{quoted}](name=Wex0r,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Wzj8LhY7,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-15T16:05:01.578+0000) > > i feel for your dude but i feel for the other 9 people who´s game is ruined becuase u didnt connect more. I know its not your fault but if they didnt have a punishment in place people would just quit games when they didnt get the champ they wanted ect. With the remake system in place they lose what, 3 minutes of their day?
Farce (EUNE)
: You don't get banned for quitting one game in 50 tho
> [{quoted}](name=Praise the Fox,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Wzj8LhY7,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-11-15T16:00:08.531+0000) > > You don't get banned for quitting one game in 50 tho I'm not banned, I have low priority
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Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SorryBuddyBoi,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=0000000100020000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-16T12:29:41.111+0000) > > If you were sitting in a cafe, and some people **at another table** were loud enough for you to hear, that doesn't mean their conversation is your business, and it definitely doesn't mean you can get offended. If you were loud enough to hear you '*at another table*', in a cafe, rest assure both your language and the loudness of conversing would be annoying, to say the least. Also. Wrong parallelization example. Instead of cafe, try a basketball court. With complete strangers as opponents **and** strangers included in your team and then tell me that your '*buddy talk*' wouldn't get you into trouble.
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=00000001000200000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T13:56:42.670+0000) > > If you were loud enough to hear you '*at another table*', in a cafe, rest assure both your language and the loudness of conversing would be annoying, to say the least. > > Also. Wrong parallelization example. Instead of cafe, try a basketball court. With complete strangers as opponents **and** strangers included in your team and then tell me that your '*buddy talk*' wouldn't get you into trouble. Lol only if the strangers were oversensitive pricks
Estti379 (EUW)
: Reporting needs only 2 clicks from you. How can you even consider that an hassle? There are actually people who claim that having such a simple reporting system is more of a problem than a blessing. (I'm not one of them) >REPORT FOR FEED This kind of behaviour is not accepted, it is considered to be toxic and it can leads to punishments. I mean, report calling is the bad behaviour. Many people don't realize it, but saying stuff of the likes of "report this, report that" is considered toxic, and the automated system reacts to it, that is, if the player saying that kind of stuff gets reported. In the end, the report system, as it is right now, is the "respectful, honourable and quiet" player's tool to deal with toxic behaviour. Each report is akin to a vote. By reporting, you are telling the selflearning machine from riot what kind of behaviour you find toxic and which you would like to lead to punishments. If enough other people report players who show a similar behaviour, then the system will pick it up and start punishing people who do engage in such behaviours. So, no, it isn't the voices of the loud minority who is heard by the report system. It is the voice from the silent majority which is taken into consideration ;)
> [{quoted}](name=Estti379,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=KKTEGz9b,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-16T12:58:06.035+0000) > > Reporting needs only 2 clicks from you. How can you even consider that an hassle? > There are actually people who claim that having such a simple reporting system is more of a problem than a blessing. (I'm not one of them) > > This kind of behaviour is not accepted, it is considered to be toxic and it can leads to punishments. > I mean, report calling is the bad behaviour. Many people don't realize it, but saying stuff of the likes of "report this, report that" is considered toxic, and the automated system reacts to it, that is, if the player saying that kind of stuff gets reported. > > > In the end, the report system, as it is right now, is the "respectful, honourable and quiet" player's tool to deal with toxic behaviour. > Each report is akin to a vote. By reporting, you are telling the selflearning machine from riot what kind of behaviour you find toxic and which you would like to lead to punishments. If enough other people report players who show a similar behaviour, then the system will pick it up and start punishing people who do engage in such behaviours. > > So, no, it isn't the voices of the loud minority who is heard by the report system. It is the voice from the silent majority which is taken into consideration ;) This is nitpicking, I know, but I'm a machine learning major and I know for a fact that this system isn't "self learning". It's far too complex to apply machine learning to. I digress, I personally am in the vocal minority. I report every time I see toxic behavior. My point is less that there aren't enough keyboard warriors, but rather that I've noticed the people who get punished are the people who piss off toxic people, rather than the toxic people.
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Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SorryBuddyBoi,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=00000001000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T11:47:36.083+0000) > > I'm sorry, but that's just dumb. I clearly don't want my friend to kill himself, and he knows that and he says the same thing to me. We love each other, and that's obvious. Friends talk trash, and that's perfectly socially acceptable. To consider it a "death wish" is to be oversensitive, and create an even more toxic environment where people are afraid to express themselves. Dude. Understand this simple thing. Learn to separate how you talk to your buddies with how you talk to complete strangers. They are not the one and the same. I don't care how you talk to your friends, but when you are using the Chat feature, you either /r (or /msg) your friends or don't use "jokes between buddies" in the general Chat unless you are a **FULL** premade (which you don't designate in your OP, thus I am lead to believe you had someone who wasn't premade in your team). And even then, the line is drawn to where the /all chat begins. Why ? Cause not all share your subjective view on the matter. Not even common sense, but that's another chapter.
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=000000010002000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-16T12:02:29.064+0000) > > Dude. Understand this simple thing. Learn to separate how you talk to your buddies with how you talk to complete strangers. They are not the one and the same. I don't care how you talk to your friends, but when you are using the Chat feature, you either /r (or /msg) your friends or don't use "jokes between buddies" in the general Chat unless you are a **FULL** premade (which you don't designate in your OP, thus I am lead to believe you had someone who wasn't premade in your team). And even then, the line is drawn to where the /all chat begins. Why ? Cause not all share your subjective view on the matter. Not even common sense, but that's another chapter. If you were sitting in a cafe, and some people at another table were loud enough for you to hear, that doesn't mean their conversation is your business, and it definitely doesn't mean you can get offended.
Aezander (EUW)
: I am not so sure if the enemies were the one's that reported him as he claims ... > [{quoted}](name=SorryBuddyBoi,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-09-15T23:28:08.818+0000) > > So, I know this chat log isn't exactly an honorable chat log, and I get that. I was messing around with the enemy premade because **I was in a premade group**, and we were just having fun talking a little trash. I don't think I crossed a line there, especially considering the severity of the punishment. The only thing I could see as bannable was the "%%% %%% %%% WEEB" joke **I was saying to my premade friend**. > > If that's not the reason, then I'd like to have an explanation that makes the punishment seem deserved. I think if you looked through most of my chat logs you would say I'm far above average in terms of politeness and positive attitude. > > What do you guys think? I find no indication to assume that he was in a *Full* premade group ... So, I am inclined to believe that they had non-premades in his team ... It's a slight possibility, but it's there.
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T12:09:09.451+0000) > > I am not so sure if the enemies were the one's that reported him as he claims ... > > I find no indication to assume that he was in a *Full* premade group ... So, I am inclined to believe that they had non-premades in his team ... It's a slight possibility, but it's there. No, I don't think they were full, I just know that they had 3, because they all had the same clan tag.
Aaltih (EUNE)
: Toxicity ban system is trash, that's all I want to say. You can't defend yourself, you can't make jokes with friends. Now I just mute everyone in the game, because I am afraid of giving advice to people and not getting banned.
> [{quoted}](name=Aaltih,realm=EUNE,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-09-16T11:51:15.757+0000) > > Toxicity ban system is trash, that's all I want to say. You can't defend yourself, you can't make jokes with friends. Now I just mute everyone in the game, because I am afraid of giving advice to people and not getting banned. Exactly! I just wanna be able to have fun. Hate speech, I understand, as well as harassment, but this is just too much.
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=SorryBuddyBoi,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=000000010002000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T10:58:52.759+0000) > > First of all, "Death Threats" is a huge mischaracterization. I never said, "I'm going to kill you!!!". **However, more importantly, "K Y S" is a well known joke online, and I don't think anyone in their right mind would take it seriously.** No. The *Kill Yourself* acronym most definitely is not a joke; its use was **justified** as a joke online. There is nothing positive about spamming that acronym in a high-adrenaline, high tensions environment like LoL, or any other teambased environment. And no. It's not really a mischaracterization it is a death **wish**, you could say that it's not a death threat, but only in so far as the actual action is concerned, because you are the sender of that phrase, thus you are responsible for the *inciting death* side of it, cause you are actually "pushing" the target into seeking to end his own life. NOTE : Because of the how that phrase is worded, *Kill YourSelf* is **not** a **wish**, it's a **suggestion**. Just to be clear. You are suggesting, no worse, you are **prompting/urging** the target of that phrase to take his own life.
> [{quoted}](name=Aezander,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=0000000100020000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T11:16:28.876+0000) > > No. The *Kill Yourself* acronym most definitely is not a joke; its use was **justified** as a joke online. There is nothing positive about spamming that acronym in a high-adrenaline, high tensions environment like LoL, or any other teambased environment. > > And no. It's not really a mischaracterization it is a death **wish**, you could say that it's not a death threat, but only in so far as the actual action is concerned, because you are the sender of that phrase, thus you are responsible for the *inciting death* side of it, cause you are actually "pushing" the target into seeking to end his own life. NOTE : Because of the how that phrase is worded, *Kill YourSelf* is **not** a **wish**, it's a **suggestion**. Just to be clear. You are suggesting, no worse, you are **prompting/urging** the target of that phrase to take his own life. I'm sorry, but that's just dumb. I clearly don't want my friend to kill himself, and he knows that and he says the same thing to me. We love each other, and that's obvious. Friends talk trash, and that's perfectly socially acceptable. To consider it a "death wish" is to be oversensitive, and create an even more toxic environment where people are afraid to express themselves.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=00000001000200000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T10:52:07.510+0000) > > The players themselves decided they didn't want death wishes in the game. > > Frankly, I think you shouldn't hide behind the "meme" excuse, because it enables toxic behaviour. Thete's literally nothing that could have prevented you from launching Discord or Skype and tell your premade to kill themselves in private. > > You don't normally go around spewing racism and death threats in public. So why do you think it's allowed here? > LoL bases its rules on common sense and social awareness, which aren't really hard to uphold if you possess both qualities. First of all, "Death Threats" is a huge mischaracterization. I never said, "I'm going to kill you!!!". However, more importantly, "K Y S" is a well known joke online, and I don't think anyone in their right mind would take it seriously.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=000000010002,timestamp=2017-09-16T10:40:56.807+0000) > > For the same reason the police arrests both thieves and murderers. If you go by severity of the offense, then the police would leave thieves alone and only investigate murderers. > But why should they do that, if both kinds of offense disrupt social peace I feel like if you can't handle a few memes in your games, you have more serious problems. There's a difference between hate speech and joking around, and it's fairly obvious that we were a premade, we had the same clan tag, we were talking to each other throughout the game. I think the question shouldn't really be, "Does this _technically_ break the summoner's code", because it's so broad that pretty much anything could be framed as going against the rules, but rather what we as players want the standard to be. In my opinion, if I saw this interaction IRL, or in game, I would not view it as a personal attack, or anything or that sort, and I think that most people would feel the same.
Aezander (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=meTajjA,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-09-16T00:10:05.244+0000) > > 14 days is extremely excessive for something of this caliber. Rather than banning someone for something petty like this, why not ban the more toxic players? If it is banter between the premades, the rest of the team has the liberty to mute the players. > > p.s. - who in their right mind would read through every single rule of the gajillion pages? You don't need a "*gajillion pages*" ... just this : http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code Also : One should **definitely** read through the Terms of Use **at least once**.
> Also : One should **definitely** read through the Terms of Use **at least once**. yeahhh, I think I'll pass.
Shiwah (EUW)
: ***
> [{quoted}](name=Shiwah,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T08:31:13.303+0000) > > Someone didn't take your death wishes as a koke, hence the report and the ban. I'm fairly certain that the reports came from the enemy premade, who had been exchanging snippy remarks with us when we would kill each other etc.
: Hey there, Just because it's your premade doesn’t mean you can disrespect other players in-game, while they're trying to (enjoy, or play serious). If you guys want to have a little fun, why not do it via a voice platform such as Discord ? Some players may find your words disturbing while they're playing. I would classified this attitude as ''immature''. There is rules, and rules are not to be taken lightly, I recommend you to read the rules before ''having fun talking a little trash''. Riot Games do not tolerate this kind of attitude, and you are lucky because it's a 14 days ban, it could have been worst, this is just a warning, make sure to be aware of things to say while playing with your premade next time.
> [{quoted}](name=AGE Lindow,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=jc5RuGi3,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-09-15T23:46:40.354+0000) > > Hey there, > > Just because it's your premade doesn’t mean you can disrespect other players in-game, while they're trying to (enjoy, or play serious). If you guys want to have a little fun, why not do it via a voice platform such as Discord ? > > Some players may find your words disturbing while they're playing. I would classified this attitude as ''immature''. There is rules, and rules are not to be taken lightly, I recommend you to read the rules before ''having fun talking a little trash''. Riot Games do not tolerate this kind of attitude, and you are lucky because it's a 14 days ban, it could have been worst, this is just a warning, make sure to be aware of things to say while playing with your premade next time. Really? I've seen much worse conduct and it not be punished. It was definitely clear that it was meant and taken as a joke.
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