: I read your answer and most of the MMR topic you evoked I already told you in my answers. You even contradict yourself. You didn't realized it. e.g. You wrote: > "The current lp gain is dependant of the MMR of the player, the position in rank (plat 3 20 lp), and the MMR of the players he plays with. 3 Major dependencies, 1 of them is basically a 2nd rating which is sluggish. The formula has other stuff in it but its just simplyfied." > > The MMR gain is based on where they are currently ranked and if they win/lose, the system will check to see if their current MMR is above or below the rank they are playing at and will adjust LP gain/loss depending on that single factor, i mean those details are literally in the matchmaking support article Just looking at this part. What does "where they are currently ranked" mean for you? You said single factor. But you mentioned at least 2 or 3 depending what "currently ranked" means for you. YOU mentioned 2 dependencies: - MMR - above or below the rank they are playing at (That's the MMR of the other players and a 2nd dependency) The 3rd dependency would be lp-rank: (- lp rank, because you cannot get 80lp in one game when your MMR is diamond 3 but you're ranked at gold1, how would you give points for it if you don't bring the current state of itself into the formula) **Matchmaking **Guide sais nothing about the **LP GAINS**: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752954-Matchmaking-Guide Your whole thing you answered is just nonsense (criticizing the wrong points or points you did not understand how i meant it). You didn't understand what I wrote and answered with answers you don't even understand. I played ranked in season 2 & 3. And also experienced elos beyond silver. > ELO != MMR I don't understand what you understand under those 2 terms. What they mean for me: ELO: rating of player, used for match making and is shown in season 1-3 as rank MMR: just another name for it. elo is named MMR in the context of match making They used ELO as rating: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=12029
ELO != MMR If you think thats still true then read this: https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/de/c/ligen-gewertete-spiele/RUN4LR3n-was-ist-die-mmr-elo-usw It is another long discussion between users and a mod. The users claim ELO != MMR. But it's wrong. The link is from the German board. It's just an issue of wording. In German they name it Gegnersuchenwertung as synonym for MMR or Elo-Rating. Literally it means enemy-search-rating.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > Don't just copy links in there and don't be stupid. I'm doing neither, and all you did was copy links in there, so i'm curious why you think you're more correct when you're just reading from a fanmade wiki :P > The main point of this conversation for you is to defend your nonexistend argument. Not really, i mean common sense tells you that you need MMR to exist prior to even reaching ranked as normals never had ELO rating, or do you think they used magic and psychic powers to matchmake you prior to actually getting to level 30? > You switched now from MatchMakerRating to MatchMakerSystem. Where did i switch? i've always said MMR means matchmaker rating, i said ELO is a rating system, its literally written on the wiki article that its a rating system > The number was the ELO and a MatchMakingSystem had to be there. Otherwise there wouldn't be any matches? Yes you needed a matchmaker rating to exist before you even hit ranked > ELO back then wasn't hidden. ELO != MMR Both systems existed, ELO was public, MMR was not, rocket science this is not > MMR always existed. Yes, also called ELO. It wasn't hidden. And again, MMR is NOT the same as the ELO system that was used, i would ask you to prove me wrong but its actually impossible to do without getting riot confirmation, people "assumed" they were the same thing nothing more, much like people assume a lot of incorrect things, i've still seen people claim surrendering loses you more LP or the most common misunderstanding, that report calling isn't against the rules, the community makes a lot of assumptions > Gaining strange amounts of lp. Did you see all the player crying why their lp gains/losses were strange at the start of the season. You DO know that part of the placement process is massively increased LP losses/gains right? and yes i am more than aware how MMR affects the amount of LP you gain/lose, riot literally has a support article that tells you how the matchmaker works > The current lp gain is dependant of the MMR of the player, the position in rank (plat 3 20 lp), and the MMR of the players he plays with. 3 Major dependencies, 1 of them is basically a 2nd rating which is sluggish. The formula has other stuff in it but its just simplyfied. The MMR gain is based on where they are currently ranked and if they win/lose, the system will check to see if their current MMR is above or below the rank they are playing at and will adjust LP gain/loss depending on that single factor, i mean those details are literally in the matchmaking support article > The pure elo-gain from before had just 2 major dependencies: MMR/elo and the elo of the other players of the game. Not really, the gains were also fairly arbitrary back then, you could gain a lot for one win and then next to nothing for the next, its the same as the current LP system, wait, do you think that could possibly mean, no that would make too much sense, a hidden MMR value dundundun I played through seasons 1 and 3 in ranked so i have lived it and seen it in action first hand > Now it is your task to point out where the misunderstanding between us happened. So that we can end this discussion. The misunderstanding is you seem to think the ELO system which by default gave you the value 1200 i might add is the same as the MMR system used to matchmake you As i said an MMR system had to exist prior to ranked even existing, MMR predates the ELO system because of this, its literally the chicken and the egg, one has to come before the other
I read your answer and most of the MMR topic you evoked I already told you in my answers. You even contradict yourself. You didn't realized it. e.g. You wrote: > "The current lp gain is dependant of the MMR of the player, the position in rank (plat 3 20 lp), and the MMR of the players he plays with. 3 Major dependencies, 1 of them is basically a 2nd rating which is sluggish. The formula has other stuff in it but its just simplyfied." > > The MMR gain is based on where they are currently ranked and if they win/lose, the system will check to see if their current MMR is above or below the rank they are playing at and will adjust LP gain/loss depending on that single factor, i mean those details are literally in the matchmaking support article Just looking at this part. What does "where they are currently ranked" mean for you? You said single factor. But you mentioned at least 2 or 3 depending what "currently ranked" means for you. YOU mentioned 2 dependencies: - MMR - above or below the rank they are playing at (That's the MMR of the other players and a 2nd dependency) The 3rd dependency would be lp-rank: (- lp rank, because you cannot get 80lp in one game when your MMR is diamond 3 but you're ranked at gold1, how would you give points for it if you don't bring the current state of itself into the formula) **Matchmaking **Guide sais nothing about the **LP GAINS**: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752954-Matchmaking-Guide Your whole thing you answered is just nonsense (criticizing the wrong points or points you did not understand how i meant it). You didn't understand what I wrote and answered with answers you don't even understand. I played ranked in season 2 & 3. And also experienced elos beyond silver. > ELO != MMR I don't understand what you understand under those 2 terms. What they mean for me: ELO: rating of player, used for match making and is shown in season 1-3 as rank MMR: just another name for it. elo is named MMR in the context of match making They used ELO as rating: http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=12029
Cypherous (EUW)
: > You have 8,8k lifetime upvotes and yet you are unable to understand points and get facts. You produce endless pinpong shit. Citation needed > Just read this: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Elo_rating_system I am aware of the ELO system, you seem to think that this was the only system that existed, you do realise MMR has to exist before that right? i mean, do you see a rating on your normal games? the ELO system was used to show you a rank yes, the exact same way the league system shows you a rank, however MMR still existed in the background, ELO is a rating system, not a matchmaking system, but i mean you would know that if you actually knew what the ELO system actually was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system It only allows you to assign a rating to people based on factors like who they beat, beating a person below you gains you very few points while beating someone above you gains you more points, however, its not of any use for an actual matchmaking system on this scale because your ELO doens't always represent your actual skill its just gives you an indication of how your rating differs from those around you and the 2 systems can quite easily exist side by side, one for a visual indication of "skill" and the other for actual matchmaking, i appreciate it can get a little confusing for people who aren't that backend inclined, ELO was just a more visual system, but i appreciate people who may not have played much back then obviously don't remember how everything worked > No actually not. Only a small amount of the people on this world are intelligent enough to understand complicated things. Indeed, and its why most people don't understand how these systems are actually built
Don't just copy links in there and don't be stupid. The main point of this conversation for you is to defend your nonexistend argument. You switched now from MatchMaker**Rating ** to MatchMaker**System**. The number was the ELO and a MatchMakingSystem had to be there. Otherwise there wouldn't be any matches? You said: > Knowledge bomb time, MMR always existed and was always hidden ELO back then wasn't hidden. You did not understand my post in the first place. What I worte: > At the moment there are two ladders for every player (league points/divisions and MMR which is hidden). What you said: > Knowledge bomb time, MMR always existed and **was always hidden** MMR always existed. Yes, also called ELO. It wasn't hidden. My point was that the League system with the hidden MMR creates a sort of rubberbanding for one player (when MMR is to high or too low). Gaining strange amounts of lp. Did you see all the player crying why their lp gains/losses were strange at the start of the season. The current lp gain is dependant of the MMR of the player, the position in rank (plat 3 20 lp), and the MMR of the players he plays with. 3 Major dependencies, 1 of them is basically a 2nd rating which is sluggish. The formula has other stuff in it but its just simplyfied. The pure elo-gain from before had just 2 major dependencies: MMR/elo and the elo of the other players of the game. The old system was like walking in deep snow or sand. The new system is like walking on sticky tar or chewing gum, you have to walk fast otherwise your shoes get stuck easy. (The stickyness (lp) are holding you back) I am aware that the new system can catapult you faster up if you have too MMR, you skip divisions. But that shows that the LP system is just a false smile. Now it is your task to point out where the misunderstanding between us happened. So that we can end this discussion. But it is still fact that you posted less knowledge about stuff than me. I seriously thought that I misunderstood something about the old matchmaking until you answered after I asked you for source. With the last paragraph I just added the needed amount of salt for lol players.
: Well i like it and you hate it. We shall agree to disagree.
: Nahhhhhh it's fine how it is.
No, it's not. I want the nonsense to be deleted. Flex is one of the inventions which we don't need. People just like it because it's there. But in endeffect it would be healthier for the players to not exist. There are multiple similar examples: The EU entry for the brits, plastic bags, nuclear powerplants, network-cameras without password protection, and many more. Alot of people here have just half assed shit opinions in their mind without realizing it. Shit opinion can also be the majority. In my knowledge it would improve the game significantly. There are 3 summoners rift queues for casuals. Riot is just not able anymore to handle all servers anymore. See clash or chinese servers with old ranked systems. If you don't want to think out of the shell then that's how you'll end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM You know it was fine how it was. hhhuuuhhhh
Cypherous (EUW)
: > No, show me a source to prove me. Well you understand what MMR stands for right? MatchMaker Rating, its the rating, that the matchmaker uses to create matches, without MMR you don't really have a matchmaker based on skill, so yeah its always been there > Season 6, i think Funny because i remember playing ranked solo/duo every season since season 1, its always been an option, what you're confusing is that there also used to be a full team option in the same menu, your choices were solo/duo or full 5 man premade, and that existed prior to flex but it was never the "only" option > The only point you made why flex should stay is that the players still like to play it. Implying there needs to be any other reason > Then riot should rename it to normal and delete normal draft. Normal draft is unranked while flex is ranked, so yeah not the same thing > There is a meme: "It's just flex" Not really sure the relevance, people can make a meme out of anything that doens't really mean the queue needs removing
You have 8,8k lifetime upvotes and yet you are unable to understand points and get facts. You produce endless pinpong shit. It's utterly hilarious. So annoying. No actually not. Only a small amount of the people on this world are intelligent enough to understand complicated things. And I think you are not one of them. Just read this: https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Elo_rating_system
: They aren't investing any time into flex. it's already a great queue for friends who want to win more than just xp. Flex is a good queue and will stay.
Then rename flex to normal and delete normal draft. Normal 5v5 without draft would be still available.
Cypherous (EUW)
: > Many players play this queue casually. Meanwhile the queue times for normal games are higher than in the past. That isn't the queues fault > In flex you can get matched 5 v (2+2+1, with 2 being competitive the other 3 being casual). Casuals should just play normals. Duo's should play solo/duo ranked. If you want to play as a team, join or make one. Again, not the queues fault > Serious players who some people dislike generally don't want to play half-assed game modes like flex. They want to play Team vs Team or prove themselves with randoms against randoms. Flex feels just like pooping without cleaning ass. Just look how people disliked the season where there was only flex. When did we have a season where only flex was available? solo/duo was always available > I think riot should remove flex ranked queue. And maybe bring back bring back 5v5 rank queue for players who want to play in teams. And what is to stop casuals from playing in that queue exactly? > You could make your team name and tag. That was quite cool. But ultimately it failed and was pretty pointless as there was no real matchmaking done so you could easily just have high ELO's play with low ELO's > At the moment there are two ladders for every player (league points/divisions and MMR which is hidden). Just make one like it was before. Knowledge bomb time, MMR always existed and was always hidden, even back when they had the ELO visual system before leagues you still had an MMR > Ranked nowadays is too grindy. It's work, doesn't feel competitive. Ranked is the new normal queue. Ranked will ALWAYS be grindy, you're trying to fight your way to the top, thats just how those queues work by design Not really seeing anything that would be solved by removing flex lol
> When did we have a season where only flex was available? Season 6, i think > Knowledge bomb time, MMR always existed and was always hidden No, show me a source to prove me. The only point you made why flex should stay is that the players still like to play it. Then riot should rename it to normal and delete normal draft. There is a meme: "It's just flex"
: add more mastery levels?
Another thing riot abandoned. I think mastery levels are useless in some way. Mastery points are not. I don't like the grading system. If you want to get S on some champions, just play them well on a other lane. To do that you need more general game knowledge than champion specific knowledge. If you can mastery7 one champ you can easily do another one. With mastery points or levels solely by mastery points you could see that a player has experience with that champ. If you want to see his skill with that champ, then see his stats from ranked. Also stats like those meon nothing for some players who played alot before champion mastery existed.
Rioter Comments
mAsfer (EUW)
: Aurelion Sol is the bost badass champion in the game yet the most boring to play
I think he is the opposite of boring. Just use his strong mobility. You push the wave and/or kill your opponent early if he underestimates your dps. It's all in or nothing if you are bad. He's king in roaming. After pushing a wave, roam and fly through walls to gank a lane with an aoe stun and ranged dps. The only thing which sucks about him is: vulnerability to meele, mages with better waveclear and higher range. If you want to shoot stars from the sky, there is Soraka or the star guardian skins.
: Looking at Qiyanas ability trailer you can allready tell that she will be broken.
: You have to do all this to counter 1 champ? Most of other champs only need 1 step from the list to be countered. And that is CC, not even timed CC.
"all this" That are normal things for junglers. It is even simplified.
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: About surrender
Totally agree. I played this game 3 years without knowing how to surrender. Surrender is just used by plebs.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: It's not trolling to deny a strong champion from the enemy team.
Yes, you shall ascend to the master trolls.
: Why was I permanently banned for this ???
I decided to ban you because I like it.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: If there's an op champion I don't want to play against, and enemy has first pick, of course I'm gonna ban that champion.
Yes, TROLL THEM. Make them suffer. Make them drink their own blood. Make them eat nutella with bare hands.
: Flamed for one game, got permanently banned.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Well this happened...
Well at least you came. The flaming jungler is not good. Kill it with fire. I play jungle myself. When I get into a situation like this I ping like this: Danger pings + ping on enemy jungler + missing ping on every other part of the jungle + help ping at entrance of my jungle + help ping at ally champion + help ping where i want him to go. Thats what I usually do. But they never move. A jungler would never give his buffs to players who are unworthy.
: Graves bothers me and i can't be the only one
Why does he reload a bullet when he reverse-moonwalks into you to fire his shot in meele distance.
Nhiire (EUW)
: was a ban for this deserved?
Yes. Now you shall burn in the land of the banned.
: so why i hate girl champions! i am playing girl and boy champions but i have not any mastery 7 girl champion! xayah is ugly ! ahri is ugly miss fortune is the most ugly thing in the world so the real beautiful champion is jhin! look him voice! omg look flowers around him! can someone answer which champion can kill with essence of beautifully? 1_singed{{champion:27}} 2_cho'gath{{champion:31}} 3_zac{{champion:154}} 4_ #jhin{{champion:202}} 5_dr.mundo{{champion:36}}
> [{quoted}](name=Cherry Błossom,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=IBM648Eh,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-04T03:53:09.225+0000) > > so why i hate girl champions! > i am playing girl and boy champions but i have not any mastery 7 girl champion! > xayah is ugly ! ahri is ugly miss fortune is the most ugly thing in the world > so the real beautiful champion is jhin! > look him voice! omg look flowers around him! > can someone answer > > which champion can kill with essence of beautifully? > > > 1_singed{{champion:27}} > > > > 2_cho'gath{{champion:31}} > > > > > 3_zac{{champion:154}} > > > > > 4_ #jhin{{champion:202}} > > > > > > 5_dr.mundo{{champion:36}} {{champion:6}} & {{champion:44}}
Marcua (EUW)
: Vertical jungling! When and how to use it
But it's so lonely in the jungle. I'm happy if I see someone coming into my jungle.
iowa (EUW)
: Loading screen 0% (CANT ALT TAB, ALT F4, TASK MANAGER ETC)
Had something similiar. Got stuck after victory screen. Press ctrl + alt + delete, then logout. All the running processes will be killed.
DEOLO (EUNE)
: We need ig xayah
Rakan chose Camille, Irelia, Leblanc and Kaisa over Xayah. He probably did very inapriopriate things with all of them. He is now a cool kid. All your Xayah x Rakan dreams are now tainted.
G2 Xayah (EUNE)
: Ig Xayah
Rakan chose Camille, Irelia, Leblanc and Kaisa over Xayah. He probably did very inapriopriate things with all of them. He is now a cool kid. All your Xayah x Rakan dreams are now tainted.
naseszxc (EUNE)
: would it be great if we can change the rune page in the game in practice tool
Great idea. But I think that it will break Neeko, Sylas and Mordekaiser.
: xayah! is a new champion has 3 skins atleast ornn deserves 1 another skin
> [{quoted}](name=Cherry Błossom,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=IBM648Eh,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-03T16:01:32.515+0000) > > xayah! > is a new champion > has 3 skins > atleast ornn deserves 1 another skin I think that people have more erotic fantasies about Xayah than Ornn.
: That last part is TRUTH!!! Had a jgl fail their gank and then screamed at us and went AFK farmed rest of game. Ok thanks for securing our losses.
> [{quoted}](name=Chaocontrol64,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=399Ae5kg,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-03-31T17:01:08.265+0000) > > That last part is TRUTH!!! > > Had a jgl fail their gank and then screamed at us and went AFK farmed rest of game. Ok thanks for securing our losses. Says the player who lost the game because only one player played differently in a Bronze game.
: Ranked in Twisted Treeline, an absolute catastrophe.
On the image you only see the solo-q 5v5 rank. You have to go to the profile to check rank for the specific queue. Your team: unranked gold 1 gold 2 Their team: gold 1 silver 1 silver 1 but they were premades
: Perm ban
yay you banned {{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
: Hugs and kisses
hugs and kisses ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
4Aylon (EUW)
: Players Behaviour Survey
I would be insulted. But I would also realize that I failed in chat. But I'm playing with /fullmute all anyways.
Ashton (EUW)
: %%%% riot games boys
I would already report for: Specialist AGN: wtf Specialist AGN: did u actually Specialist AGN: just ban that Specialist AGN: why wud u ban lee? You are very negative.
CJXander (EUNE)
: Negative meta players
Report them after the game. It is like voluntary work. Filtering the scum from the ranked ladder.
: xd im higher than u will ever be. I dont understand how the main thread has so many upvotes, people clearly doesnt understand what is all this about. Riot have made a lot of work to avoid those games where u fall behind and u cant do anything to win till the rest of the game. Nowadays, u can have a bad start or your team and still be able to have fun and try coz you can comeback. The author doesnt make sense, he complains about kill row devaluation. Imagine your mid laner gets rekt and dies 5 times, imagine enemy mid gets 5x300 gold = 1500 gold advantage, at that point it wouldnt even matter how well u farmed or snowballed, that person would jus win yes or yes. Gosh why do i try to use logic with people who just enjoy complaining doesnt matter how wrong they are.
> [{quoted}](name=We Can Enjoy,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Zf800U5L,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2019-03-26T14:21:06.670+0000) > > xd im higher than u will ever be. I dont understand how the main thread has so many upvotes, people clearly doesnt understand what is all this about. > Riot have made a lot of work to avoid those games where u fall behind and u cant do anything to win till the rest of the game. Nowadays, u can have a bad start or your team and still be able to have fun and try coz you can comeback. > > The author doesnt make sense, he complains about kill row devaluation. Imagine your mid laner gets rekt and dies 5 times, imagine enemy mid gets 5x300 gold = 1500 gold advantage, at that point it wouldnt even matter how well u farmed or snowballed, that person would jus win yes or yes. Gosh why do i try to use logic with people who just enjoy complaining doesnt matter how wrong they are. Riot confused the a for the player negative thing in a game with the problem of a generic software application. There are normal humans who work at riot. They are not allknowing gods. The rest you should be able to figure out. From an outstanding point of view I see you as a person with a lower intelligence level. To make it simpel: You are not intelligent enough to understand the problem. Your brain seems to produce immature answers. If you think that you have a right to speak here, answer with your original high-elo account. The account should have been at least plat 2 or higher since season 3, otherwise it's not valid.
: Picking up rift herald?
it does not like you because you slapped it
: Silver Kayle? Judgement Kayle? Nani?!
If they re-release judgement kayle like they did with championship skins, I'm never gonna play this skin anymore (I got aether wing and riot kayle from rerolls).
: Perma ban and your opinion
I would consider report you for your first line... If you think communication is the key to win, then learn to communicate properly. If you do not want to communicate properly learn to communicate without words.
: indeed. But in lane Xerath just destroys Bard
> [{quoted}](name=The Skáld,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7cT7EOcI,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-12T13:54:29.863+0000) > > indeed. But in lane Xerath just destroys Bard I destroy a silver-xerath in lane with udyr, ghost + cleanse.
: Our majestic River Shen
He played river shen wrong. Nowadays you have to queue up for support to play river shen. You go flash + ignite on olaf or pantheon. you walk in the river and kill the scuttles. You ward the enemie jungler and kill him when he's low. You gank lanes and help your jungler. Basically a support whos lane is the river not botlane.
: When do YOU report your teammates for flaming?
I /fullmute all. I report players who start to surrender - but not always, only if they are showing some giving up mentality (like spamming surrender/ standing around (probably writing)) and I remember it after the game.
DeGizmo (EUNE)
: matching
Level has nothing to do with solo-q-rank.
: Best compliment
You are a hacker.
: And I still want to shoot that teammates who press "no" when is 5 to 29 and one is afk. "we can still win"
> [{quoted}](name=TheToysTracker,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=5YQwZBmK,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-12T20:43:06.230+0000) > > And I still want to shoot that teammates who press "no" when is 5 to 29 and one is afk. "we can still win" Im voting no. Rank up to plat and beat me.
Ahries (EUW)
: Old game modes
Bring back real Dominion
: I suck at my main. Should I give up?
I think you should stop playing riven in ranked, even if your love is on hentai/waifu level. You won't get better just by spamming games. Otherwise it will be one of the sad stories of a anime hero like: "I want to a be pro player in the future. I play league every day for four hours. My whole family visits my tournament games. They have all faith in me. One day I will be a pro. But at the moment WE are preparing to reach Bronze with our team at the end of next season." I recommend play easy stuff like garen/malphite. And learn to win with them in normals. Just learn with them in normals if you want. You can still have riven as your main, but you use garen/malphite for general laning-training. You reached your goal when you can win a GAME as udyr with ghost/cleanse against a bronze-xerath. And your jungler always dies to xerath and the enemy jungle always comes to your lane. Then you will win easily as riven.
Vegito101 (EUNE)
: did you ever wounder why you get biggest league trash in promo games???
GodDoge (EUW)
: Mordekaiser Main are always passive trolling
: That is my solution when I played ranked, but some people are adverse to that because they think you need the chat to play effectively. This thread is for people who want to be able to use the chat without fear of getting banned for toxicity.
Oh I see. The sub-humans NEED chat to survive. I will note this for my reasearch. No joke. I really see your point now. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-thumbs}}
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