: Do you ever think zed will get a reliable nerf?
The pick/ban rate doesn't skew his 50% winrate. His winrates have never been anything outrageous. This pick/ban rate is just a psychological thing. OH SHIT QSS NERF ZED FREELO 'cause now he's no longer useless lategame because zhonya's/exhaust/cc/teamfights somehow don't counter the shit out of him anymore because hey qss got nerfed. I don't know what it is. Somehow Zed is just the one champion that players refuse to counterpick in favour of flocking to the boards with their sobstories aka "i am gold and i have nothing left to learn in this game and i cant beat zed therefore busted".
: Let me put it this way, at the start of this season I had over 250 normal wins than losses. Today I have 4 more wins than losses! Does this mean that I have forgot 5 years of game knowledge since the start of the season? Yes games are decided at the 3 - 5 min mark, because at 10 -15 mins I'm trying to defend 3 inhib turrets at the same time. I don't mind having a player with 16 normal wins on my team but when 4 of my team have less than 100 normal game wins each that are matched with an enemy team with no less than 500 normal game wins each, then that is just a stomp! I don't know why you think that changing champ will change anything? If at 10 - 15 mins your 6 turrets down, playing a different champ will not change this. It all comes down to experience, you don't see someone who has been learning to Box for 3 months matched against a 10 year reigning champion! Thank you for your post but you are clearly not experiencing the miss-match making that many other players have noticed this season. I am very happy for you that your games are equally balanced and are fun and enjoyable to play. Have fun on the rift :) Edit; I have just read a post from someone one the other side of the problem, they have just reached level 30 and are wondering they are being matched against players with over 500 wins? Things have gotten so bad this season that I have posted in the New Player Advice "TIPS ON HOW TO WIN GAMES" please have a read and tell me what you think? :)
: If this is your 1st year of playing League then your spot on. Realize your mistakes and you will get better at the game. Now how do explain it if this is your 5th year of playing League started playing in March 2011, and now I just can't win games? Just played 3 jungle games as Heca and in all 3 games all 4 of my team mates had died before I had finished my 1st clear and then proceeded to continue dying the moment they got back to lane. I'm still in shock about it actually. So what mistakes have I made in the 1st 3 mins of the game that I can improve on so this doesn't happen again? This season I win 1 then lose 5, win 1 lose 6, win 1 lose 4, win 1 lose 7. I have been checking after game how many wins everyone has and to my surprise all my team mates have around 100 wins or less and yet the enemy team has no one with less than 500 wins. Games are now decided at the 3 -5 minute mark and are complete stomps for the enemy team. The games I do win are 45 - 60+ minute games that are hard fought with low death counts at the end of them for both teams. I think something is clearly wrong this season.
Okay. ALLOW ME TO POINT OUT YOUR MISTAKE. "So what mistakes have I made in the 1st 3 mins of the game that I can improve on so this doesn't happen again?" It'll happen again. Don't think it won't happen again. It'll happen multiple times and each time you'll want to hang yourself to just make it stop and then you have a snack and you're okay again. Think of it like this. Statistically, for every 100 games you play, you'll have an x-amount of unwinnable games, an x-amount of free wins and the remainder is decided by you. The better you are, the greater that last number will be. And it's a statistical extreme improbability that the number of unwinnable games you get are a lot more or a lot less than the number of freebies you get. It's a coin flip. You might get tails 10 times in a row. You won't get it 50 times in a row, followed by another 50 times tails. It evens out. If you're actually, on a consistent basis, winning 1 and losing 5, then learn to accept that you're part of the issue. If you feel most of your games are decided at the 3-5 minute mark, then don't play Hecarim jungle. Play Elise or Lee or Nid or even Shaco or some shit, some jungler with strong early-game presence/ganking. Just don't make -the- most common mistake of all, deluding yourself into thinking that there's "nothing you can do" when 9 billion other players can climb higher than you.
: Season 6: Uncarriable
??????? Why is everyone just casually ignoring the fact that the OP here is a LoL player who's going "I'm not good enough and wanna get better at this game". Is this a thing people do now? And also, the "I need to play with better players in order to improve" is a thing I hear from quite a few of my pals who feel they've stagnated somewhat. It's sure to have a positive impact, granted, but I don't believe it's strictly necessary in order to improve. Or at all, even. There are other ways to accomplish the same ends. The only thing you really need in order to become better at this game is to identify all the shit you're doing wrong. And the easiest method to get that underway is to watch players who are better than you are. i.e you don't need to play with them, you just need to watch them, as in use the internet. Do research. You can either spam-play games and try to sort out everything yourself, or you can choose to not re-invent the tootsie roll and take advantage of all the knowledge that other players have already dumped on the internet. Find some VoDs from specific champs/matchups you want to learn and study exactly what the player does and why he does it. Then try to apply what you learn to your own gameplay. The recipe's as simple as that. But yeah, it's still going to take time. The time required for you to understand exactly what you're looking at. As in, on your first viewing of a VoD, you'll obviously miss a lot of things. An arguably large part of continuing to make the same mistakes, is not being aware of the fact that they're mistakes. But given enough time and with a good ratio of studying players who are better than you are + playing games yourself, improvement will come of its own accord. In my experience though, the issue with this is that most players, even those who genuinely do want to improve, aren't prepared to invest the time and effort required to do so and end up spending their time trying to uncover some non-existent gimmick that propels to the elo they truly deserve. That's what you call ironic. In summary, having to play with/vs all the stormtroopers in Gold shouldn't impede your progress as a player. You only require a way to identify the mistakes you're making. Once you're aware of those, it doesn't matter who you're playing against. Every game, regardless of opponents, is an opportunity to correct those mistakes. When you've corrected enough of them, you'll hard-carry enough games in your elo to climb, until you hit another wall, requiring you to fix more mistakes before you can progress again.
Scrinnid (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=TetsuKiller,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ELz8E0oU,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-11T08:05:05.076+0000) > > I have a rhetorical question for you. When was the last time you saw a low elo player on the forums respond with "Oh okay, I get it now thanks for clearing that up." I stopped reading here. Just because a person is low elo, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about.
> [{quoted}](name=Scrinnid,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ELz8E0oU,comment-id=00020000000000000001,timestamp=2016-05-11T12:06:12.981+0000) > > I stopped reading here. Just because a person is low elo, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is talking about. If you had kept reading instead of taking personal offense and getting all huffy and indignant at some perceived slight, you'd have found: "Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing everything you say out of hand simply because you're gold." I'm aware the term 'low elo' doesn't actually mean shit. It's all relative. A low elo is only low compared to a higher elo. My point was simply this: It is a statistical likelihood that when someone on these boards is wanging on about something being OP, they're more often than not plat or lower. And yes, that's in no small part due to the fact that nearly everyone who plays this game is plat or lower, but another relevant factor is that it's mostly 'lower elo' players who refuse to learn, in favour of bitching about OPness. A big part of why a lot of players don't climb is precisely because they feel they have nothing left to learn from anyone and the only thing impeding their staggering progress is the OPness of certain champs. Meanwhile all the challenger/LCS players are busy spending 87% of their waking hours trying to get better and learn more about this game, practicing tirelessly and watching episodes of 'How does Faker do this shit exactly', because they're aware of the fact that they don't know everything and that there are players out there who are even better than they are/know more than they do. But hey, just because LCS pros still have a lot left to learn, doesn't necessarily mean low elo players don't know what they're talking about. This is the part where the twitchtards these days say 'Kappa', I believe.
: And this is EXACTLY how i picture a civilised discussion. I present a point and support it with arguments, try to make the wall of text (since Zed has a wall-of-text amount of problems in his kit) readable enough and what do i get. A comment, just unneccesarily copying my thoughts to create a block of uselessness, just to share your great mind-blowing addition to our problem. If you have nothing nice or clever to say, don't say anything at all.
I have a rhetorical question for you. When was the last time you saw a low elo player on the forums respond with "Oh okay, I get it now thanks for clearing that up." But okay I'm bored, hence my being here so let me spend the next 5 minutes of my life convincing you of things. You have no arguments. You have an opinion that you 'support' by more opinions, which you don't realize are faulty opinions, not arguments. "Zed is frustrating to play against. <- That's your opinion, followed by: "Zed has no counterplay." "Zed has no hard-counters on lane". Yeah, excellent enumeration of arguments. Zed has somehow become this season's Master Yi. Below a certain elo, people have no clue how to deal with him. Above a certain elo, barely anyone even talks about him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing everything you say out of hand simply because you're gold. I'm mid-diamond. I'm also crap at this game. I'm just slightly less crap than you are. But the bigger difference between us is that I don't have the arrogance to believe that my opinions as a crap-tier player are facts. I never found Zed to be horribly broken, but I did at one point have trouble dealing with him. Then I looked to players who are much better at this game than I am and tried to see what they did. Now Zed's not really a problem anymore. Diana/Karma/Chogath a good leblenk, a good Azir, all are major pains for a Zed on lane. Cho in particular is just total wankerballs to play against. Not to mention his other weaknesses. It's been said time and time again. Zed's first and foremost a splitpusher. His teamfighting is penis. His poking/waveclearing compared to AP mids later in the game, is penis. Splitpushing not only requires him to be ahead (significantly, vs certain champs), it also requires that his team doesn't die 4v5. Which is the reason why players like bjergsen and jensen have repeatedly said they don't like picking Zed in soloqueue, 'cause splitpushing without teleport just ends up with your team flaming you for not being there when they initiated their 4v5 teamfight and all died. He has strengths, he has weaknesses and the sum total of those make him a pick that has its uses, but he doesn't even come remotely close to something that "can be picked 24/7 into every kind of matchup".
: Why is Zed frustrating to play against? 1) He is a melee champion with ranged harass. The ranged harass hurts even when standing behind minions, even more so when he can basically spam it without drawbacks. When you have no sustain on lane, be it by Q or W/Q, Zed is going to whittle you down. He has far too huge area of control for a melee champion. 2) He can support his long-range manaless poke with a sudden all-in. For a champion with so much mobility and poke, his burst damage is still unreal. 3) Jukes. He is behind minions and at the same time right in front of you. And also, wait, he is untargetable. I'm okay with a skilled player dodging skillshots but when i press that Vi ult, i want results. Zed is one of those who has one-too-many tools in his kit. Untargetability should be a Fizz or Vlad thing. Why is Zed's ult so good for diving, escaping AND avoiding everything? 4) Snowballing. You managed to outplay the mofo on midlane, you outCShim and even kill him once. You ping he is missing. Bam, double kill on botlane. All your efforts are in vain, he is fed and will proceed to get more fed. Assassins are godlike roamers. 5) Counterplay. There is literally 0 counterplay for Zed's desired target (a squishy). By the time you get to Sterak's/GA as ADC, Zed is already 2 huge items ahead. Anywhere you encounter Zed and you don't have a support right on top of you with exhaust, shield or a stun ready, you are going to die with no questions about it. Map awareness doesn't really help since Zed is naturally much more mobile than your average ADC. No wardjumping (Lee, Kat), no "only offensive" dashes that need a target (Talon, Xin). Walls are only a mild annoyance. Also, Zed has no "hard" counter. I mean, the type of champion that makes Zed go "oh man, it's HIM, if we don't permacamp 3v1 kill him for the rest of the game, his kit counter's mine so hard i will be useless". Zed's kit is way too adaptable while being very strong in all the aspects. I wish Riot gave him the "Riven" treatment. She used to be broken as hell but a tiny few number changes along with the metashift and we ended up with a champion that is still very strong but just CANNOT be picked 24/7 into every kind of matchup. EDIT: Yeah. There used to be an unoutplayable AD assassin counter. Old Soraka with her heal+armor buff and a point and click long duration silence. Those were the days.... Too bad she was "unhealthy" for the game (read, unhealthy for assassins)
> [{quoted}](name=Prugar Senpai,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ELz8E0oU,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-05-11T05:44:08.536+0000) > > Why is Zed frustrating to play against? > > 1) He is a melee champion with ranged harass. The ranged harass hurts even when standing behind minions, even more so when he can basically spam it without drawbacks. When you have no sustain on lane, be it by Q or W/Q, Zed is going to whittle you down. > He has far too huge area of control for a melee champion. > > 2) He can support his long-range manaless poke with a sudden all-in. For a champion with so much mobility and poke, his burst damage is still unreal. > > 3) Jukes. He is behind minions and at the same time right in front of you. And also, wait, he is untargetable. > I&#x27;m okay with a skilled player dodging skillshots but when i press that Vi ult, i want results. Zed is one of those who has one-too-many tools in his kit. > Untargetability should be a Fizz or Vlad thing. Why is Zed&#x27;s ult so good for diving, escaping AND avoiding everything? > > 4) Snowballing. You managed to outplay the mofo on midlane, you outCShim and even kill him once. You ping he is missing. > Bam, double kill on botlane. All your efforts are in vain, he is fed and will proceed to get more fed. > Assassins are godlike roamers. > > 5) Counterplay. There is literally 0 counterplay for Zed&#x27;s desired target (a squishy). By the time you get to Sterak&#x27;s/GA as ADC, Zed is already 2 huge items ahead. Anywhere you encounter Zed and you don&#x27;t have a support right on top of you with exhaust, shield or a stun ready, you are going to die with no questions about it. > Map awareness doesn&#x27;t really help since Zed is naturally much more mobile than your average ADC. > No wardjumping (Lee, Kat), no &quot;only offensive&quot; dashes that need a target (Talon, Xin). Walls are only a mild annoyance. > > Also, Zed has no &quot;hard&quot; counter. I mean, the type of champion that makes Zed go &quot;oh man, it&#x27;s HIM, if we don&#x27;t permacamp 3v1 kill him for the rest of the game, his kit counter&#x27;s mine so hard i will be useless&quot;. > Zed&#x27;s kit is way too adaptable while being very strong in all the aspects. > > I wish Riot gave him the &quot;Riven&quot; treatment. She used to be broken as hell but a tiny few number changes along with the metashift and we ended up with a champion that is still very strong but just CANNOT be picked 24/7 into every kind of matchup. > > EDIT: Yeah. There used to be an unoutplayable AD assassin counter. Old Soraka with her heal+armor buff and a point and click long duration silence. Those were the days.... > Too bad she was &quot;unhealthy&quot; for the game (read, unhealthy for assassins) lol
: Ranked: I cannot win a game.
Let's roll with the assumption that just like every other league player ever in the history of all time, you also simply have a startling amount of bad luck. Then what? Let me spell out your two options: a) continue sharing your sobstories with whomever will listen and remain confident in your knowledge that you're better than the shitters in your elo range b) quit fixating on your team's performance and concentrate solely on your own. Are you flawless at this game? If you can convince yourself that you're not, then that means there's room for improvement and something left to strive for. Focus on that. Not gaining elo. Accept that the only measure of control you have over your team is not making them play worse than they already are by typing things in teamchat. That's it. If you soloqueue, your team is simply an rng factor and you will have bad luck streaks. The most likely scenario is this: If you're not deluding yourself by claiming to consistently do well in lane then you're probably a bit better than most others in your elo range. The problem being that you're only - a bit - better. If you want to consistently win games, you need to be significantly better, to the degree where you can singlehandedly carry games. And that requires more than just winning your lane and telling yourself you did your part. Winning lane means nothing if you can't translate that advantage into an advantage for your team.

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