Enjutsu (EUNE)
: I think it would be worth mentioning when could players expect e-mails?
It definitely would be worth mentioning, buuut we sadly have no clue how long this will take :/ We've already started filtering out the applications we got, so people will hopefully get an e-mail a few days to a week after the deadline!? I can update the thread about the status once the submission deadline is reached :)
: Thank you very much Torpedoship! And just to know, who was responsible for that warning? A volunteer, a Rioter or the automated system? It is interesting to know
There's no automated system on the Boards. Riot's sometimes get their hands into moderation, but pretty much all of it is done by us Volunteers. Mistakes happen, but yeah, we're always open to review them if you ask about it ^^
: this is nonsense when remake duo to afk and 2 v 3 clearly player is not afk especialy when that person writes in chat and actualy buys items and moves to lane.
: Riot doesn't understand humour
Alright, just had a quick talk about this with the team. We do believe you that you were only joking, we're aware of that meme, and it's obviously fine to use it here. The thing that made your comment seem a little personal was the "You've stayed too long". You should make sure your intentions are very clear when joking around on the Boards, it can always be a little difficult when talking to strangers. We apologize for the scare and will scrap this one from your history :) _You're clean again, yay \o/_ ---- Thanks for pointing this out. GL;HF!
: Riot doesn't understand humour
Hi Killler12308, I'll have a look and talk to the team about it. I know it feels bad to be punished for something that doesn't seem justified, I can already tell you that you've gotten the most mild warning possible, so it's nothing to break a sweat about. Still, we'll take a proper look at it again and get back to you :)
EagerBrad (EUW)
: Was half way through filling out the form when it was closed :( Lost all of those answers. Ah well. I've got a couple of questions: 1. Does it matter if I'm not actually from Europe? It means I probably won't ever be able to attend any event in person. [From South Africa] 2. This is on the EUW board, but is it limited to EUW? I ask because I'm from South Africa, and basically a new underwater cable will make the South American server significantly more playable than EUW, ping-wise, and so it's possible I may move there in a few months. Thanks
Oh sorry, that's unlucky , I'll open the form again :> Technically it's not restricted to Europe, but you're right, events could get difficult to organize (though not impossible). Doesn't really matter if you're actively playing on EUW/EUNE either.
: Can a Rioter answer this?
I don't think the artist concerned themselves with the accurate representation of airplanes too much. Though there must be a source of inspiration. She shows a resemblance to the pin-up girl nose art that pilots painted on their planes. So the whole thing is rather American. http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/p/288996/1830474/1233633905527/kbsmacpherson04.jpg?token=4RIBFQeUtJbMgrVtKsL4oYz8vc0%3D --- If you look closely at the bombers in the background, they have unusual tails, with two vertical rudders. Just like the B-24's. http://nycaviation.com/newspage/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/b24-liberator-620.jpg ---- ~~For the aircraft she's sitting on... No idea.~~ ~~The position of the wing doesn't really make sense, and I don't think there's a high-wing plane with such a nose :/~~ **EDIT: **Nvm that, she's sitting on the engine of a Bomber, no a single-engine fighter like I first thought. **EDIT 2:** I don't think bomber engines looked like that, I only know these aerodynamic noses from small fighters. Bombers always had bulky engines with flat fronts from what I've seen.
: Can you give an indication of how many volunteers you are looking for? Is it just one, or do you need more?
Because we have to introduce new Volunteers into our program, we prefer smaller groups. 3-10 are generally easy to handle, but if there are more applications we like, we will simply get them onboard in multiple stages :) I'd be happy with 8-20 new Juniors from the Emi recruitment. _(Though we do have plans for more recruitment posts this year)_
: As someone who is concerned about the future of League of Legends. What impact will this make to the future? Thank you.
Hard to tell, the impact you have really depends on the ideas you have and the projects you start. You obviously have limitations there, you won't be able to stick your nose into the game design of League. Let's say you're not gonna be able to single-handedly decide the fate of LoL. But you _will_ be able to improve many players' experiences with whatever you decide to do here.
DutchPro1 (EUW)
: Why would you not get paid for this job. I am not interested in the job but as is pointed out in the post, it is a pretty important stuff building the community. Why not get paid, it's not like Riot is not a multibillionair company which could use all the help it needs. For children, elderly care, school community I understand they want volunteers since their budget is so low. Riot has plenty to spend, why so greedy on a few extra loans?
Volunteers are actually an important part in community management. More and more companies learn the importance of it and build their own Volunteer programs. Even Google uses Volunteers. ---- Becoming a Volunteer is just much more accessible and flexible than being a Rioter. If this was a paid position, the competition and pressure wouldn't allow for students or people with no professional background to join. ---- It seems like you think Riot is letting Volunteers do their "dirty work" to save money. But that's not the case, we never get told by Riot what to do. We are running by ourselves, we work on whatever projects we want, and while there are a few limitations to what we're allowed to do with the community, Riot can be a big help for us.
: Already applied last year, got turned down. Honestly I don't think I'd be able to talk to people as patiently as the emmisaries do all the time, otherwise... Well, good luck everyone! :)
>Already applied last year, got turned down. Hmm, are you talking about 2016? We picked some people off the Boards last year, but had no applications iirc ^^ ---- Honestly, it can be tough to not give snarky comments at times, we all know discussions with some people can get really stressful here.
Shlashpro (EUW)
: It's not very easy to be passionate about the game anymore, having to face a imense amount of toxicity 2/3 games. Can i still apply, i got some ideas which the League of Legends "COMMUNITY" would simply love. {{sticker:slayer-pantheon-popcorn}} PS. Whatsup sheepo?
As we mentioned, you certainly don't have to support everything Riot or certain community members do. But we don't think some of the negative nancy's who constantly complain about all the terrible things in League are the best fit for our program ^^ Feel free to apply though, always interested to hear some ideas.
: > Every other week we meet on our Teamspeak to brainstorm and organize our projects. Active participation is important here! I don't know much about teamspeak but does that mean that I wouldn't be able to apply if I am mute ?
Not necessarily. We actually have one Emissary who can't join our TS meetings. It's no big deal if you can't join, you just unfortunately miss out on _some_ of the important planning. However, you can generally catch up later.
: Become a League of Legends Volunteer! - (Applications open)
#/ / / FAQ \ \ \ _If you still want to know more about the Volunteers or are simply curious, we're happy to answer your questions._ https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1b/Does_Not_Compute_Emote.png/revision/latest?cb=20171120235504 #**What happens after I apply?** > We will review every application and discuss the potential candidates internally. If we think you're a good fit for the program, we'll send you an e-mail and invite you to our teamspeak to get to know you better :) >After that, we'll inform you about our final decision. >(_We will try to send you an e-mail informing you if you didn't make it_ ) --- #**Do I have to be a certain age?** > No, there is no official age restriction in the Volunteer program. However, minors might not be able to do some of the cool stuff we get to do. > (_eg. can't attend live events without adult supervision_ ) --- #Do I have to be a native speaker to join the EN program? >Nope, while we do expect you to be fluent in English, you don't have to be a native speaker. _Fun fact, none of the current EN Volunteers are natives._ --- #How active do I have to be as a Volunteer? >**Real-life always comes first!** >That's one of our most important rules in the program. There are no set requirements regarding activity, some might spend one or two hours a week doing Volunteer stuff, others are active much more. >As long as you communicate it, going inactive during a busy time is no problem! Read more about the requirements below. \v/ ---- # What does a Volunteer do behind the scenes? >We're talking A LOT internally, whether it's discussing current events, the projects we're planning, or just off-topic chit-chat. You will hopefully check your app or computer frequently. >Just as important are our "Townhalls". Every other week we meet on our Teamspeak to brainstorm and organize our projects. Active participation is important here! ---- #What do I get for Volunteering? > You largely create your own benefits depending on the work you do. The Volunteer program allows you to learn a lot of different skills, which can help you later on if you're looking to apply for universities or jobs. >Some more direct benefites are the following: - A colored name on the Boards. - A huge international group of friendly people. - Creating content for the entire League community. - Rare(!) real-life experiences (eg. Volunteer summits, trainings) >The rewards won't be worth it unless you actually enjoy doing the work. If you do though, you might get to experience things that any League player would love. ---- # I have been toxic in the past, can I still apply? >Exemplary behavior is what Volunteers stand for and breaking the rules can result in you being kicked from the program. >That being said, previous punishments will naturally be forgiven if you've improved your behavior since then.
Rioter Comments
: Riot baned my Account without me violating the Terms of Use
>Since not doing anything wrong and not having good experiences with the Riot Support in the past (...) I told them that I wouldn't do that What exactly did you try to accomplish with that? Sorry, but you're kinda being the classic "annoying customer" there by not cooperating. They're trying to help you out, because there are clearly concerns about account sharing. Bans due to "safety concerns" are generally related to suspicion of unauthorized access to your acount. When people get their login credentials stolen, fell for a phishing attempt etc. ---- I don't know what your problem with providing a new e-mail is. You just said "_nope, I'd rather have my account stay banned._"
: Well beacause they know its their fault losing the game,and not mine. If you could look at my last ~20-40 games u will see win/lose win/lose and it's call beacause of the team not me. Like in winter holidays i played around ~12hours and all games were like win/lose. So i got angry about that. "Because the people you play with have roughly the same skill than you" Not at all,as i said i'm the one who carries the game,not the team. Take look at my op.gg stats havent you noticed some thing diffrent? If i had the "same skill level" as them i should have kda 1/2 or lower.
>Well beacause they know its their fault losing the game,and not mine. I'm talking about 95% of players who never get any kind of punishment. Are they all worse than you and solely responsible for losing? I doubt it. > it's call beacause of the team not me. That's a pretty arrogant attitude, don't you think so? Are you saying you didn't make a single mistake that game? I'm sure there are plenty of things you could've done better. ---- > If i had the "same skill level" as them i should have kda 1/2 or lower. That would only be true if K/D/A = Skill. KDA doesn't really mean much in League, many essential aspects of your decisionmaking can't even be represented by stats.
MadEclair (EUNE)
: As I said, it is probably due to technical limitations of our client.
Hmm, my guess would be that it's simply nicer to look at. You can see yourself rising through your group. If there was just a whole pool of every single player in Bronze 1, it might be discouraging to see yourself on place 172.689.
: Perma banned for trash talking trollers and gamethrowers.
>how can u not RAGE/flame your team when you are doing good in 95% of your games,and then there is 1/2 guys who throws the game. It's pretty easy actually, but it depends a bit on self control. You have to understand that we all experience the same things here. Everyone has had great games dragged down by teammates, but don't fool yourself, it works the other way around too. Because the people you play with have roughly the same skill than you. --- Why is it that you flame and rage, and the others don't? You should probably take some responsibility for your actions.
Skyè (EUW)
: i think the word you're looking for is sexism, not racism. you see, females aren't a race
Wait, so you're trying to tell me these mysterious creatures are human?
MrGerund (EUW)
: Thanks! I believe i saw this graph somewhere, but wasn' t too sure if it was the correct one. Anyways, so leveling up gets harder only to get an emote then resets... Doesn't really feel worth it with the current xp-gain system as it goes really slow and only rewards WINNING every day, still glad xp gain resets tho.
>Anyways, so leveling up gets harder only to get an emote then resets... Well it's better than nothing - which we had before ^^ League was never built around leveling up, it just didn't play a huge role after a certain point. It's still far from being an essential part of the game, but at least now you have something nice to look at, and it reflects how much time you've spent.
: How to win.
Think about this: Why are those feeders only on your team? The enemy team has random players just like yours. And it gets even better, because they don't have you (who is not a feeder), they will have 3-4 feeders every game!
Downinhell (EUNE)
: As if you have any credibility towards a lot of people?? Feel welcomed to check dunkeys video on the exact topic of why he quit the game.. and while doing so check the amounts of likes and dislikes.Atleast thats one true statistic about a toxic opinion out there about flaming in gaming.. 200 + k likes to 20k dislikes.. My opinion is more credible and that video can be used as proof.. I feel exactly like dunkey feels. Just watch the video type: I'm done with league of legends in youtube see for yourself. You just want people with different opinions and people who dont wanna get along with the likes of you banned.. instead of being a man and compete with or against them.. and ur given the complete tools to ignore them or given the technology to perma mute an extremely toxic person, and i happen to know very toxic people who would flame y really hard just for 1 mistake and 1 of them was diamond. Extremely toxic if he gets matched with people lower than his skill. So him flaming literally typing like a machine didnt affect his rank or how good he is at the game.. u should learn context. - The reality is people expect to justify their agenda to feed their ego while Riot is abusing that. Because they know they arent the green apple like someone of the followers here said as an arguement against the success. When people say baby community they arent wrong.. even if its 1 person saying something completely wrong therell be atleast 1% truth in it.. Now i hope you understand why i said " I dont think ur worth listening to" Because if im the one who does the changes i would never use discrimination as a tool for money. I aint wrong for questioning it. I aint scared of being confronted anywhere from anyone. > Yeah, that's the problem I mentioned. All of that is your opinion, and you don't have any credibility to add to your arguments. Really? There are people who agree with my opinion all of my friends actiually do. Some dont care because they never flame. But they cant deny my logic and are more from my side.. and i already gave u a direxction to an opinion like mine in youtube see for yourself. > Flamers have a problem with their attitude, they get irrationally mad about a videogame and act respectless towards their teammates. They blame others which in turn hurts their own performance. You said u didnt need respect tho.. Plus i know plenty of plat players that rage.. a lot of good players rage.. shaclone, tyler1, even the best rage.. Is this the credibility you speak of.. what a joke. Most of what you say isnt true and its based on what you think. Youre like "He needs to be banned" hahaha
>As if you have any credibility towards a lot of people?? Did I say that I am 100% sure my opinion is a fact, no that was only you. Your argument has no substance, there's is nothing you base your views on. All you are saying is "_This is the best way because I said so_". ---- I'm not acting like I know what's best. Although I am making an educated argument based on research and in-depth knowledge of the game's player behavior systems as well as a basic grasp of psychology. >200 + k likes to 20k dislikes.. You aren't seriously trying to use Dunkey's video as **proof**, are you? Do you know who watches Dunkey videos? Dunkey's fans! Your audience is as biased as it gets, these people are not a representation of the League community! Just like your friends. ---- >even if its 1 person saying something completely wrong therell be atleast 1% truth in it.. That means it is not "completely wrong." (_You wanted to lecture me about the words I'm using earlier, remeber?._) ---- >Because if im the one who does the changes i would never use discrimination as a tool for money. I aint wrong for questioning it. You also aren't right just because you question it. On what basis is that argument built? What concrete proof do you have that Riot is discriminating people for money? ---- >You said u didnt need respect tho.. Nope, I didn't say that. I think you're getting confused here. ---- > a lot of good players rage.. shaclone, tyler1, even the best rage.. Yup, never denied that. ---- >Is this the credibility you speak of.. what a joke. I did not speak of credibility. I mentioned that you aren't credible. ---- >Most of what you say isnt true and its based on what you think. Most of what I say right now is about you not knowing basic rules of debates and quite frankly, making ridiculous arguments.
Downinhell (EUNE)
: ***
I know what an excuse is, you claim people are making excuses. I've seen none of them, would you provide a link? ---- >you're simply denying thay there are more valid punishments? There you are treating your opinion as a fact. How do you know that there are better punishments? ---- > but i know i am 100% right Yeah, that's the problem I mentioned. All of that is your opinion, and you don't have any credibility to add to your arguments. ---- > rather to deal with individuals who dont know what simple words mean adding some context to spice that action for you and me hoping that you comprehand anything I say. And there you are attacking me personally for absolutely no reason. You misunderstood the point about excuses, and I'm to blame ^^ --- > i wish more banned people just dump this game and regain their pride as human beings At least we agree on this one.
Downinhell (EUNE)
: ***
>Does it work tho? Judging by the amount of people who write posts like yours, yes. I know you say you weren't banned, but most people were, and they're not shy about it. >So far only excuses.. I've never seen any "excuse" about that. ---- >like muting an account completely and forever? Those people might still resort to other forms of toxicity. There's no "one size fits all" solution. And even if they do "nothing bad" after a permanent mute, I think I disagree with that. Flamers have a problem with their attitude, they get irrationally mad about a videogame and act respectless towards their teammates. They blame others which in turn hurts their own performance. Wouldn't it be better to force those people to change instead of constantly giving them what they want? ---- >I dont think your worth listening to.. That's exactly what I meant. Are you gonna listen to _anyone_ who doesn't share your opinion? Nobody likes to be confronted, but if you're mature enough to have a discussion, you wouldn't be afraid of entertaining different viewpoints. I mean, you came to a discussion platform.
MrGerund (EUW)
: quick question about leveling
Greetings. As long as my information is still up-to-date, the XP it takes to level up doesn't rise in the long run. Every time you reach a milestone, the required XP is gonna "reset" to the lowest amount. https://i.imgur.com/gMx52R0.png[/img] [The orange line is the current Xp curve] The rewards don't get better, except for when you receive a Glorious Champion Capsule. But the XP also doesn't increase into infinity.
Vaskalair (EUW)
: I completely agree with this post, this community is very "safe spacey" and it makes me too quite annoyed. But alas this is the generation we live in and Riot is honestly just catering to it.
People _love_ to compare this to SJWs and all of the ridiculous things that come with that agenda. That's because it's easier to devalue the people saying you're wrong rather than adressing the point in a fair manner - [Cognitive Dissonance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance#Related_phenomena) has a lot to do with that. --- In reality, nobody is "offended" if you call them "noob" or "idiot". Most people don't give a f*ck if you tell them to get cancer ... But they will still report you, because you are being a jerk. That's no person anyone wants to play with, League of Legends is a major precursor of eSports. The community should show sportsmanship, not act like they're in a daycare group. If we want to be taken seriously, we should not try to bash in the heads of other players.
Downinhell (EUNE)
: The reason I quit this game..
>To the people who say/think that getting banned is Riots way to tell you "we dont want you".. When did they say that? They already said that ages ago when the IFS was developed. It's kind of a fundamental idea the system is built on. >_"permanent suspensions will always be a last resort used by the systems to try to completely remove a player from the game."_ > Source - Riot Lyte's ask.fm Riot wants you to reform, but if you don't, they're not going to go easy on you. --- >To me it seems like Riot at some point said "here have some freedom to ruin someone's that's addicted and takes game and wins seriously so he can flame you and so we can ban him and he'll create another account to spend money on Then why does Riot spend so much time supporting sportsmanship with time, resources and research? The smartest move would be to just instantly ban people without saying anything about it. Riot is also a major parttaker in the [Fair Play Alliance](http://www.fairplayalliance.org/), an initiative spanning over many gaming companies to support, as the name suggests, fair play. _But maybe they're simply a secret council thinking about how to screw their players over in the best way. _ ---- You're not looking for any facts, let alone others' opinions. Why doesn't it occur to you that you are the minority here? You try to devalue others, and accuse us of all sorts of things instead of thinking about what others are saying.
CalmN (EUNE)
: A little bit of reality check for everyone playing league.
>I have some advice for others in the future 1. There is no "heat cooldown" period, if you were toxic a couple of years ago and got a few "chat bans" temp bans like for 10-20 days, etc. Your account is blacklisted forever, get this enough times in your lets say 5-6 years of gameplay - the next chain of reports might get you perma banned. Where's that "fact" coming from? Sorry but that's completely false, it is possible to bring your account back to a normal standing after a punishment. That's no secret. --- If your friend got permabanned for mild toxicity, it's because they were toxic for a long period. A few games of getting mad doesn't just get you permabanned, you need consistent negative behavior for that. That means you friend ignored a 10-game chat restriction, a 25-game chat restriction and a 14-day ban. I think those warnings are enough to stop being toxic.
: > best players of league are toxic if they r not in chat they r on their own streams Kind of a generalization, and even _if_ they are toxic on stream, it's certainly not the same. For some, raging and flaming in streams is a majority of their content. Some people enjoy watching it, that's pretty different from actual ingame flaming. But even if pros seemingly talk shit, you have to keep in mind that in many cases, they actually know the people they're addressing. There's obviously more tolerance within the community of pros/streamers than strangers. That's why you can make jokes with your friends you can't make with anyone else. ---- > it's normal you can trash talk them I'm not sure if you know what trash talking means, because it's certainly not what flamers do when they talk to people who "ruin their game". Trash talking goes in line with competitive banter. People (often somewhat sarcastically) disrespect their opponents, in rare cases their teammates. But once again, who you're talking to matters a lot! ---- > all it takes it's just one word like "stupid" get you 14 days ban then perma-ban . That's simply false. You do not get banned that easily. Instant 14-day and permabans are only given for extremely toxic behavior like racism, homophobia, sexism etc. If all you do is call people "stupid", you will get chat restrictions after **frequent** display of toxic behavior. --- >for me it's allowed to trash-talk them and say how bad they are including me i can't be so good at all games when i'm bad i truly deserve trash talking This mindset is flawed due to the fundamental attribution bias. The threshold of "bad teammates" is much lower than the one for your own performance. Ever wondered why your teammates are always worse players than you? Fundamental attribution bias makes up a large part of why you think so. ----- > they just don't give a %%%% because they know you cant trash-talk them They also won't play better if you "trash talk" them.
Sorry, what? Almost none of the things you say are true, why are you just making up these lies? >koreans are more disciplined than any other western countries and have better life With better life you must mean high poverty rates, bad health and a non-existing work-life balance? According to [OECD's Better Life Index](http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/korea/), Korea ranks **worse** in the aspects of - Housing; - Income; - Jobs; - Community; - Environment; - Civic Engagement; - Health; - Life Satisfaction; - Safety; - Work-Life Balance. **Education** being the ONLY aspect that they are ahead of the USA. It seems to me like you are basing your idea of how great Korea is **solely** on their performance in videogames... ---- > even with the rates of suicide because if you base on that you should tell who's top of most rates in the world : danemark is the first country #**DENMARK IS NUMBER 105!** Not number 1. ONE HUNDRED FIVE, how can you make that up? ---- >being afraid to say one word that will get you banned for 14 days or perma. What word is that exactly, give me an example of a word that can do that for you. PS: I am not a Rioter, but I'll take the compliment.
Rågê (EUW)
: Voice Chat
Yeah it would be cool to have voicechat for random teammates ... Theoretically. In reality, there are a lot of challenges you have to overcome like language barriers and verbal harassment. I'll just drop some random facts. >_Players in voice chat were up to 126% more toxic in text chat to the players who were not in voice chat! The players in voice chat also received 50% more reports, even though in many cases the other players were not aware these players were in voice chat._ --- >_In the external study by a university, they found that a player using voice chat with a female voice compared to a male voice had significant differences in harassment received. The female voice received up to 300% more harassment, even when they were saying the same things as the male voice._ >(Taken from Lyte's ask.fm page) You can't just ignore these problems :/
: >That's why they only ban 0,006% despite it being such a big problem maybe? ^^ We talked about that two days ago. {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}} Riot does not set out to ban exactly 0,006% of the worst active players. I explained to you why this is a pretty shallow way of viewing things. People get banned for being jerks, the standards for that are set by Riot and the community. If they continue to be jerks, they will eventually be permabanned. Only 0,006% of people **happen to be jerkish enough for a permaban**. ---- >Probably it's because their research suggest flamers make more players quit LoL than inters do. Do you have any source for that? Never heard of that, and I also don't think it would make much sense. ---- >Riot as a business, might very well be legally obligated to further the shareholders interests. Riot is "owned" by Tencent, but they are completely disconnected from Riot's decision process. They are completely autonomous in the things they do for LoL. A bunch of cool things are clearly done without direct profit in mind, but you can't even use that as an argument, because then people are gonna scream "advertisement". Riot could donate millions of dollars to charity and people would still scream _"OMG they only do it for money, this is advertisement for them"_. ---- I know that Riot is looking to make profit, I'm not stupid. But people use that same argument for the exact opposite of things. - Riot doesn't ban someone: "They only want them to spend more money". - Riot bans someone: "They only want them to spend money on another account". You. Just. Can't. Win. Anyone can make up arguments like that, and I've seen the weirdest things people try to explain with "Riot is greedy".
It's just that Riot can't predict players' behavior. A certain amount or intensity of toxicity is gonna get you banned, Riot has no control over how many people actually reach that amount, which is why that 0,006% result from it. (whether the number itself is still accurate is another story) --- Sure Tencent looking to get money out of it. But they're not going to push Riot to monetize harder or release something sooner like we're used to in the gaming industry. --- >Yes, of course. That's often because that's one of the main reasons for a company to do such a thing. My example was supposed to show that Riot might do things that are very unlikely to be profitable or with no business interest in mind, they _do_ care about providing cool shit for their players. --- >There is no use in trying to win anything because frankly there is nothing to be won. That phrase was about Riot, not our discussion ^^ It doesn't really matter what Riot does, some part of the community will always complain. It's exactly like you mentioned, everyone has a different opinion, but many people don't get that. My problem is when they're unable to understand that and accuse others of something completely unrelated. ---- _Where are we going with this discussion now?_ Back to the start :P > but they could at least try better than they do now. That's what we started with. Of course Riot should do better in punishing feeders. Their problem is that they can't find a good way to do it, not that they're afraid of losing the feeders' money.
πET (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PUVr7TqY,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-19T09:00:02.068+0000) > > Flamers buy RP too... > Why does Riot ban them when their income is so important? That's why they only ban 0,006% despite it being such a big problem maybe? ^^ > The portion of flamers is huge compared to inters. Probably it's because their research suggest flamers make more players quit LoL than inters do. So again players who quit LoL don't buy those sweet Riot Points. > People try to blame literally anything Riot does or doesn't do on money. It makes no sense. It makes perfect sense. Riot is a business. It's main purpose is to make profit for their shareholders. I'm not a 100% sure if this applies to Riot as well (Because I don't know who their shareholders are and how the shares might be distributed), but I assume that where they are based, Riot as a business, might very well be legally obligated to further the shareholders interests. I would also assume the interest of those shareholders is making more money. Maybe it's not that black and white, but I hope you see my point. Riot is not a charity, so a lot of choices they make are in some way related to their core goal of making money. If this really makes no sense to you then you are truly blessed.
>That's why they only ban 0,006% despite it being such a big problem maybe? ^^ We talked about that two days ago. {{sticker:sg-ahri-1}} Riot does not set out to ban exactly 0,006% of the worst active players. I explained to you why this is a pretty shallow way of viewing things. People get banned for being jerks, the standards for that are set by Riot and the community. If they continue to be jerks, they will eventually be permabanned. Only 0,006% of people **happen to be jerkish enough for a permaban**. ---- >Probably it's because their research suggest flamers make more players quit LoL than inters do. Do you have any source for that? Never heard of that, and I also don't think it would make much sense. ---- >Riot as a business, might very well be legally obligated to further the shareholders interests. Riot is "owned" by Tencent, but they are completely disconnected from Riot's decision process. They are completely autonomous in the things they do for LoL. A bunch of cool things are clearly done without direct profit in mind, but you can't even use that as an argument, because then people are gonna scream "advertisement". Riot could donate millions of dollars to charity and people would still scream _"OMG they only do it for money, this is advertisement for them"_. ---- I know that Riot is looking to make profit, I'm not stupid. But people use that same argument for the exact opposite of things. - Riot doesn't ban someone: "They only want them to spend more money". - Riot bans someone: "They only want them to spend money on another account". You. Just. Can't. Win. Anyone can make up arguments like that, and I've seen the weirdest things people try to explain with "Riot is greedy".
: Did u know that you can surrender under 15 min .
Master Scar (EUNE)
: Xayah and Rakans Birthday
I love those two, _especially_ Xayah's "too cool for this" and constantly pissed attitude. ^^ No other champions have this much character imo. I think that's why they became instant classics in League.
: > best players of league are toxic if they r not in chat they r on their own streams Kind of a generalization, and even _if_ they are toxic on stream, it's certainly not the same. For some, raging and flaming in streams is a majority of their content. Some people enjoy watching it, that's pretty different from actual ingame flaming. But even if pros seemingly talk shit, you have to keep in mind that in many cases, they actually know the people they're addressing. There's obviously more tolerance within the community of pros/streamers than strangers. That's why you can make jokes with your friends you can't make with anyone else. ---- > it's normal you can trash talk them I'm not sure if you know what trash talking means, because it's certainly not what flamers do when they talk to people who "ruin their game". Trash talking goes in line with competitive banter. People (often somewhat sarcastically) disrespect their opponents, in rare cases their teammates. But once again, who you're talking to matters a lot! ---- > all it takes it's just one word like "stupid" get you 14 days ban then perma-ban . That's simply false. You do not get banned that easily. Instant 14-day and permabans are only given for extremely toxic behavior like racism, homophobia, sexism etc. If all you do is call people "stupid", you will get chat restrictions after **frequent** display of toxic behavior. --- >for me it's allowed to trash-talk them and say how bad they are including me i can't be so good at all games when i'm bad i truly deserve trash talking This mindset is flawed due to the fundamental attribution bias. The threshold of "bad teammates" is much lower than the one for your own performance. Ever wondered why your teammates are always worse players than you? Fundamental attribution bias makes up a large part of why you think so. ----- > they just don't give a %%%% because they know you cant trash-talk them They also won't play better if you "trash talk" them.
>why not make region's like korea ? Because Korea has an entirely different socio-political structure than the western countries we live in, more about that in a second ... > they flame people for 1 mistake or 2 with some shit like "your mom boom" and a lot of funny stuff That's a terrible example actually. In English speaking territories, “Your mom” can be silly or mean, but in Korea, “Your mom” is **always** deeply offensive! That's something the systems are adjusted to. ---- But you are not completely wrong. Verbal abuse with indirect effects on the game is not punished as harshly as in other regions. See below. https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/87f0d81d-de7d-4d64-b219-16bb2decfceb.png ---- However, you can't just attribute a certain tolerance towards toxicity to Korea's performance. Behind that, there's a pretty cruel social concept in Korea - called **Wang-tta**. Wang-tta is an excessive form of bullying present in Korean schools, workplaces and of course in games which includes the act of singling out one person in a group to bully or ostracize. This potentially leads to people sympathizing with the agressor's displeasure of another players' performance instead of the victim. ---- This is not all great either, there's an extreme social pressure on Koreans, and while you have to take a disproportionally large part of elders out of the equation, suicide rates in Korea are pretty damn high. In the WHO's ranking, South Korea is placed 10th in suicide rates across all ages. The USA is number 48, with about half as many victims. Most other western countries have even lower rates. While they might get to lift a trophy once a year, Korea's gaming culture **is not all great!** ---- >1 word in 1 game can lead to 14 days ban or perma ban Only if you display ZT phrases including racism, homophobia, sexism etc. You were supporting that, weren't you? ---- >cowsep did put light on this matter Cowsep, seriously? The most reliable source you can find, a random streamer ... They often talk crap which their followers will obviously swallow with no critical thinking whatsoever.
πET (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PUVr7TqY,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-04-18T14:16:13.192+0000) > > Yup, the system doesn't do a great job at catching this stuff. > I explained it in one of my comments above. > > But I can understand why Riot would rather let some inters go unpunished than banning innocent players. Of course, because banned inters are less likely to buy RP while banning innocent players also leads to them not buying RP. Now I'm not saying Riot should just go aggressively flailing around that ban hammer like some sort of titling Poppy, but they could at least try better than they do now. This game is so old and maybe it's just me having insanely amounts of bad luck in match making getting the most horrific players over and over, but it doesn't seem like there is much or any improvement on this.
Flamers buy RP too... Why does Riot ban them when their income is so important? The portion of flamers is huge compared to inters. People try to blame literally anything Riot does or doesn't do on money. It makes no sense.
LVinCi (EUW)
: well , best players of league are toxic if they r not in chat they r on their own streams . it's a part of being good at something when others just destroy your efforts in the game it's normal you can trash talk them , i mean not all of kind of toxicity i agree with , racism or phobia or something else shouldn't be tolerated but just take a look in this case and many thousands like it when a player get banned because he looses his cool for 1 game or 2 games , all it takes it's just one word like "stupid" get you 14 days ban then perma-ban . people are not all the same when your better than the others and just getting pain the ass because others can't even be help full well for me it's allowed to trash-talk them and say how bad they are including me i can't be so good at all games when i'm bad i truly deserve trash talking if someone get beyond that i just mute and accept it because i feel like i'm being a big rock on the back of my team but it doesn't i don't try there is plenty ways of how you can contribute to the win but most players today they just don't give a %%%% because they know you cant trash-talk them to try to play better and also there is no punishment or something will deny them from being ass-wholes . so this how league works now if you're so good and trying to grind for the glory people will just get in your way and this is what happening in each elo , low or high or whatever because the game now is only for lcs competitions , there is no such thing as hyper carry anymore this is one of the ways that making people toxic because you rely a lot on each one of them without forgetting that tank/adc meta never left the game for several years.....
> best players of league are toxic if they r not in chat they r on their own streams Kind of a generalization, and even _if_ they are toxic on stream, it's certainly not the same. For some, raging and flaming in streams is a majority of their content. Some people enjoy watching it, that's pretty different from actual ingame flaming. But even if pros seemingly talk shit, you have to keep in mind that in many cases, they actually know the people they're addressing. There's obviously more tolerance within the community of pros/streamers than strangers. That's why you can make jokes with your friends you can't make with anyone else. ---- > it's normal you can trash talk them I'm not sure if you know what trash talking means, because it's certainly not what flamers do when they talk to people who "ruin their game". Trash talking goes in line with competitive banter. People (often somewhat sarcastically) disrespect their opponents, in rare cases their teammates. But once again, who you're talking to matters a lot! ---- > all it takes it's just one word like "stupid" get you 14 days ban then perma-ban . That's simply false. You do not get banned that easily. Instant 14-day and permabans are only given for extremely toxic behavior like racism, homophobia, sexism etc. If all you do is call people "stupid", you will get chat restrictions after **frequent** display of toxic behavior. --- >for me it's allowed to trash-talk them and say how bad they are including me i can't be so good at all games when i'm bad i truly deserve trash talking This mindset is flawed due to the fundamental attribution bias. The threshold of "bad teammates" is much lower than the one for your own performance. Ever wondered why your teammates are always worse players than you? Fundamental attribution bias makes up a large part of why you think so. ----- > they just don't give a %%%% because they know you cant trash-talk them They also won't play better if you "trash talk" them.
: The system. You say banning players who have a bad game would be an ultimate slap. Well to me the ultimate slap is reporting that nunu for inting(he was autofilled support nobody wanted to swap) and checking his account today to find out he is still trolling.
Yup, the system doesn't do a great job at catching this stuff. I explained it in one of my comments above. But I can understand why Riot would rather let some inters go unpunished than banning innocent players.
: Then what for we have a button "mute"?
Muting is done to prevent toxic players from dragging you down even further. People shouldn't have to mute you in the first place, that's the point.
: Going 0-15 nunu with cleanse ghost for 20 games in a row is not having a bad day.
: https://ibb.co/eZgWsS look. This janna was with 1 assist 25 min of game. She just trolling me. I cant be peaceful when guy just ruin my game. its not funny. And when things like that just happen every 2nd game its blow my mind.
Trolling is against the rules. Flaming is against the rules. You're not allowed to break the rules just because others do the same. Two wrong don't make a right.
DR4V3N AK47 (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=nTBbk6gM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-18T13:24:25.181+0000) > > Hi, you can [submit a ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/requests/new) to the player support. > > But feel free to post your chat logs here, we might be able to save you some time. https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/34467441{{sticker:draven-pose}}
I can't do anything with that link ^^ But it looks like you found your way. Don't get your hopes up though, rightful permabans are never lifted.
: Oh god... Im not a crazy toxic player who just flame everyone in his games. I try to be friendly every my game. If my support bad and all what he doing its just feed enemy botlane i write "Go roam". Thats all! But insane ppl going troll me after this words. Srsly? I deserve it?
> I try to be friendly every my game. Except for the games where you aren't. Look, a permanent ban doesn't just happen after one game. You were most likely banned before, and you most likely misbehaved in many games before this. You knew that what you're doing is not okay, why did you ignore the earlier warnings?
: Permanently ban
Okay, you had a feeder in your team. And you thought the most logical approach to improve this situation was to flame him? I'm afraid that doesn't work out as well as you thought.
DR4V3N AK47 (EUNE)
: PREMANENTLY BANNED
Hi, you can [submit a ticket](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/requests/new) to the player support. But feel free to post your chat logs here, we might be able to save you some time.
: Dishonorable
For how long have you been dishonorable now?
LVinCi (EUW)
: This has nothing to do with real life it's just a game . but let me simply the idea i want you to understand because i know it won't change anything . i'm with the thoughts that every player should be respected and stuff but isn't removing toxicity with the way system does will kill competitive game-play ? i mean all these years i see no enjoy playing league and new incomers as well , because nobody gives a %%%% anymore , people just go straight inting and trolling that's how they have fun in the game while toxic players at least they play to win i would any-day anytime having a full toxic players in my team rather than troll inting ones because i can and everybody can only mute and enjoy winning it's thousand time better than getting %%%%ed in the ass while try harding to win the game . that's in my opinion what really killing the game and making people quit because nobody enjoys a broken ass game with zero competitive and game-play , toxicity at least keep the challenge to grind and win games. doesn't have to be a %%%%% game every online platform have a big amount of toxic players it's just a part of it which mean while kicking people from the game won't resolve the money thing it will just make things worse and this is what happening these few years... Ps : toxic players are also customers
> isn't removing toxicity with the way system does will kill competitive game-play ? Toxicity is not benefitial for competitive gameplay. Toxicity is surely fueled by it, but you can definitely have competitive games without players who are unsportsmanlike. Not being able to flame doesn't stop anyone from being competitive. Of course people who int and troll are worse for the individual game, but that doesn't mean toxicity isn't harmful. [When players experience persistent abuse or toxic behavior in a game, they are on average 320% more likely to leave that game and never come back](http://www.the-vital-edge.com/artificial-intelligence-behavior/#_=_). Toxicity costs Riot real money! Taking action against it is definitely a smart decision.
LVinCi (EUW)
: i think it is true to say inappropriate but it's appropriate to discriminate a part of community for another one , is that in your opinion fair ? and people have to stop being soft , this game is intense when you attack on titans like you guys doing to toxic players it's just makes the game less competitive and boring especially with unbalanced game-play and boring meta's . it should have been better to find out more creative ways to control toxicity in the game like the loot system , its actually working well but you guys just jerking off there making riot lyte legacy as something that's actually working when it's not at all . just make a comparison between korea server and the others the level is too high and toxicity as well. league year after year becoming a lego game when it doesn't deserve such an ignorance to a great game . and your right real life talk isn't like chat game talk so take it easy and make more efforts on other stuffs rather than click ban .{{sticker:slayer-jinx-wink}}
"Discriminate"? Banning toxic players has nothing to do with discrimination. They have no right to play this game. People who disrespect the rules simply can't play. I'll have to bring another real-life example into this:The government is treating law abiding citizens differently than law breaking ones. They arrest the ones who break the rules. Is that discrimination? What makes you think the current PB systems don't work "at all?" Harassment and toxicity and reports have consistently decrease over the years. Satisfied customers are what makes money, why would Riot intentionally keep people unhappy. They would lose money.
πET (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Torpedosheep,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=PUVr7TqY,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-17T13:16:08.207+0000) > I think Riot is trying to stay away from band-aid fixes and instead want to come up with a great and waterproof idea to fix this issue. > > Well, that's not gonna happen anytime soon though, I'd much rather see more small improvements. (Granted, they did tune it up a few months ago) Well unfortunately they don't seem to make too much progress. I think simply changing that 0.006% to let's say 1%? could have massive impact. Don't tell me that banning 1% of the entire playerbase, the worst offenders, wouldn't change things up. I'm sure a lot of players would actually get scared of losing their accounts then. I'm not saying it's the solution to all our problems but 0.006% is just laughable in my opinion when you see all that's going on.
> Don't tell me that banning 1% of the entire playerbase, the worst offenders, wouldn't change things up. It's kinda funny, that's exactly what I'm about to tell you ^^ If toxicity was a simple problem, there'd be a simple solution. Unfortunately that's not the case. ---- It's easy to believe that the jerks in the community are responsible for League's toxicity. Ban a few of the bad apples, and things will be better, right? Sadly not. It's funny that you mention 1% of the entire playerbase, because that's the **exact** number that was given as an example in [this article](http://www.the-vital-edge.com/artificial-intelligence-behavior/#_=_). >By profiling players by their frequency of toxic behavior, Lin’s team discovered that** the worst 1% of players contributed just 5% of total toxicity** in League of Legends, which meant that it wasn’t just a matter of banning a few bad apples. Your suggestion would change things up ... About 5% of things. ---- I think you're misunderstanding that 0.006% figure. Riot didn't pick that number and banned the accounts within that threshold, it's simply the amount of players who end up with a permaban due to their consistently bad behavior. The number is created by the permabans, not the other way around.
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