: Can we talk about this? - Frostblade Irelia
"I think riot should start from the bottom" I see what you did there
: so nothing, he asked what the joke was, i asnwered.
: instead of making pool party ahri they made pool party zoe
...............................................................so?
: Have you at least read Kai'Sa's passive before calling it another {{champion:67}}...?
Yes, read and played Kai'Sa, what's your point?
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Taskun56 (EUW)
: Yea but the the counter-argument is that the bubble amplifies the damage. Zhonyas removes the true damage aspect, does it not? So really a better balance would have been to tone down her Q a bit (but not this much).
Yeah but I mean, they could have just made Zoe's E nerfed down without touching the other damage abilities and people still would complain like champions like Veigar or Xerath or Fizz or Vel'Koz do not exist. I would lane a (old version of) Zoe anytime instead of 1 of those 4. They made now her E so that you can cleanse or QSS it or spellshield it, and that was the only thing they should have done. I struggled winning games as Zoe before (I mean, she was a living sniper but her teamfight potential in the lategame is meh), I cannot imagine how is it now.
kupuselefes (EUNE)
: Zoe nerfs consequences
People still ban her like....what the heck is wrong with you
RazerX (EUW)
: It's the reason I made this topic. I want to find her weakness. God, I'm asking for peoples advice and all I get is bashing. And Karthus cannot one shot people from anywhere on the map unless you are low or he is superfed. He doesn't automatically one shot. I try to give an example of an exaggerated champion, but you even have to fight me on that. We can't have a conversation if you're not willing to understand me.
Don't worry, they're reworking her (because all those changes are like a small rework) on patch 8.24 so all your whiney pro players will be satisfied and will be back complaining about another random pick you can't lane with. No bashing here, you've talked non sense so I answered back like that, so. I'm frustrated and annoyed and angry at Katarina and Fizz, and yet I never complained about them because I admit it's ME who can't play around their weaknesses.
RazerX (EUW)
: Yeah that's not a good reason. If I designed a champion that can point click instakill anyone anywhere on the map people would complain, but by your logic: she. is. designed. to. do. that.
Of course that is a good reason, if you can't play vs a Zoe well *that* is not a good reason to complain, she doesn't have 100% winrate, and to be honest she doesn't even get to 50% winrate at the moment so don't know why you like to complain that much instead of getting better at the game. Plus, your argument is just stupid because 1) Karthus can do that but you're not crying over him and 2) that is by far the most stupid thing because that's a random non sense thought that has no counter play, and there's no strategy or skill around the clicking to hit anyone everywhere in the map, while there's a category of mages called "BURST CHAMPION" and they're called like that for a reason: they have strenghts and they have weaknesses, and if you can only see strenghts that's nobody's fault. So maybe you wanna think before writing something like that.
RazerX (EUW)
: So the full engage assassin or ranged poke mage is the way to go I guess. Still, I just saw a match in pro play where Zoe dealt like 2200 damage with one Q after resistances. No other abilities nothing. 2200 damage with a single ability. That's just dumb. And Veigar's R cannot do that anymore since the changes, unless the game is like 2 hours in.
She. Is. DESIGNED. To. Do. That. And you can always dodge it if that's just her Q.
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RazerX (EUW)
: So what is the counterplay?
So basically hany assassin vs a non-mobile mage is effective, in particular, an high mobility assassin is very effective because Zoe has only 2 spells to damage and those are skillshots, furthermore if she misses her E he doesn't have any chance to win a 1v1. That said, with Zed and Katarina is easy to go all in on her dodging her E (I would have said LeBlanc and Talon too but LeBlanc is underperforming so maybe would not be easy to counter Zoe with her, and Talon goes on her face with no escape chance, which makes easier for Zoe to land her E). Yasuo is her main counter, since your W can make everyone uneffective, and if you have only 2 damaging abilities, shielding even one of them is essential (not counting the drowsy effect lets you use W everytime to shield everything if used properly). Galio is the anti mage champion (I would say Kassadin too): you can't really easily die if you play carefully on early game and build enough mr. Syndra is my personal pick, it's something I found myself strong with, against Zoe, so isn't really a counterpick but something that works with me. Basically because her stun or her poke is just superior and easier to land and R is just clicking R (and the damage is very high without worrying about making your Q travel a lot :D). Fizz could work as well. I get all the complaints against Zoe for her damage but really she is DESIGNED to be like that, just like Xerath is designed to be annoying, or Veigar is DESIGNED to outscale you no matter what. And Veigar is much more annoying than Zoe in my opinion because his stun is wider and his passive is stupid and his R is point and click. So while I get the complaints because she can be annoying I don't get why people still haven't figured out how to play vs her.
RazerX (EUW)
: There's one big difference. Zoe is incredibly mobile and her skillshots have huge AoE. It's really hard to miss with those things. Remember when Nidalee spears were nerfed in width because they did so much damage? Well they made a nidalee champion with hard cc in a huge AoE and a short cooldown spear that does triple nidalee damage. I don't even understand how this champion was even considered to be balanced from a kit perspective. Sure it sounds cool, but it's just asking for trouble.
>Zoe is incredibly mobile Kappa
RazerX (EUW)
: Zoe counterplay
Seriously? {{champion:238}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:55}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:134}}
: Can any champion win a stat-check against yasuo`?
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: > [{quoted}](name=Trenitaliyah,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=VQEc6Zby,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2018-02-05T18:11:49.612+0000) > > I think I clearly wrote the worst English possible, since no one understood what I meant xD I don't know about your english, but if you are italian like me your nickname is the best I've ever read. I died laughing.
VibeYT (EUW)
: Akali's upcoming rework
Redmercy (a famous streamer), went to Riot Games LA office for a tour and to try out new things: new champions, new items, new reworked champions, and said that the new akali is cool but isn't finished yet, so would say late summer.
Rismosch (EUW)
: {{champion:17}} Teemo has many builds: Full AP, AD/Crit, splitpush, tank, onhit/attackspeed.... You can play himTop, Mid, Jungle, ADC, Support, feed, AFK......he fits in every role!
I think I clearly wrote the worst English possible, since no one understood what I meant xD
: is anybody else winning alot in ranked?
You're obviously too good at the game, I mean, B3 to S4 that's just....wow. I'm only playing placements from now on, and no ranked games whatsoever it's not evern worth the stress.
Smerk (EUW)
: {{champion:141}} ?
Kind of. But unfortunately I don't like him or his kit :(
: From the top of my mind {{champion:84}} {{champion:63}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:131}} {{champion:245}} {{champion:81}} {{champion:105}} {{champion:59}} {{champion:10}} {{champion:99}} {{champion:90}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:98}} {{champion:48}} {{champion:23}} {{champion:29}} {{champion:161}} {{champion:62}} {{champion:101}} {{champion:157}} {{champion:115}} {{champion:26}} {{champion:143}}
That's not what I meant, they all have the same build (except very few exceptions but they don't really work well) and the same playstyle wherever you play them. I meant a champion that can do different things depending on how you play him, sort of like Kayn transforming.
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Blitzz (EUNE)
: being able to play in the old patches
I get the nostalgia, for most things in life, but I truly don't get why would you pay to play an older buggy useless crappy version of a game.
Blinkks (EUW)
: WHen is SHEN getting a Ultimate skin?
: 3vs3 Rankeds CHill/Fun Suppmeta
Hi, me and my friend play/used to play 3v3 a lot. Add me if you want :)
Rismosch (EUW)
: Damage. You are asking for damage. You cannot trade, you cannot poke the enemy, you deal 0 damage with Rakan. To make him viable as a solo laner he needs damage, because that is literally the only thing he is missing.
I tried him solo lane a few times, and the most difficult thing was farming, I'd need AD runes (back then) and long sword for starter. Then the itemization was weird for a solo laner because no matter how heavy AD/AP you're building, your damage is poor, but it's fine: what I like about him is his utility, the massive help he gives to the team, I like to deal damage but it's okay if he's not *that* good at it. I don't know, it's just sad that full AP he's not a good midlaner, full tank he isn't a good toplaner, he can't jungle and he's not an ADC so...kinda sad.
MadEclair (EUNE)
: > [{quoted}](name=Trenitaliyah,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=xge90lIW,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-01-28T12:57:01.693+0000) > > Consider giving us the possibility somehow of playing whoever we want where we want, and making it work mechanically fine, not forcing some boosted stats or weird items to do so. This is exactly how the League started and you can see it clearly even till this very day in kits of various champions, Nunu being the most notable example of that. And I doubt RG will return to the core after realizing that giving players any champion for them to put them in any late makes the game chaotic and even more unbalanced. Main problem with champions like Nunu is that he doesn't really conform to any role in general and while it makes him semi-viable in many different roles but the jack of all trades is master of none. And RG followed this pattern for many years by creating characters that might be picked and build in many ways. This is the reason why old champions had both AP and AD ratio on skills, even though they had only one optimal build for either AP or AD. It's more than unnecessary, it sometimes drives developers to force champions into meta by giving them powerful buffs that really make the champion overpowered _(see the Juggernaut update Morde or current Nunu that shouldn't have this stupidly good AP/AS buff)_ instead of remaking the kit to make it more fitting and healthy. So to answer your question - current champions are created with filling exclusively one or two roles in mind due to balancing purposes.
Thank you so much for your reply! I wasn't thinking to that actually :)
: Let me rephrase what you just said - I started with Garen btw.: Why can't I jungle with Garen? Why can't I mid with Garen? Why can't I adc with Garen? Why can't I supp with Garen? You can do all that though and you will suck at that. Just because you like a champ doesn't mean that he's fit for every role ;)
mmh am I missing your point or....? I asked about Rakan, and I didn't imply I want to play him in every role, hmm....you're confusing me
Pyrosen (EUW)
: You can play any champion anywhere you want, rakan is just most optimal for support. I've seen many AP rakans in the mid lane, some winning most losing lol
Rismosch (EUW)
: Well, Rakan is mainly balanced around his CC. Giving him more damage would make him stupidly strong.
I didn't ask for damage, I asked for something that could make him viable as a solo laner: an item that helps him farming, some kind of self shielding from his E, duno something like this...
GPet (EUW)
: You can play him mid. You also can play him Top. If you want you can play him ADC or Jungle too. If you now say 'but it's very suboptimal!', then consider if he would be made for all roles, he will be stronger on 1 or 2 and suboptimal in all others. (Let alone hat different roles need different things, and if you give all of those to 1 champion we are back to some 'overloaded' cries.)
You mean "you can play him mid if you get vs people who got no idea on how to play the game"? Because that's really it, he doesn't stand a chance vs A Tier midlaner in this patch, imagine God Tier ones. His waveclear for solo lanes sucks, trust me I've tried so many times, and his ratios are awful (AP or AD) :(
Rioter Comments
: Changing Mastery Emote
: Faker use it, must be OP.
I've said pretty much the opposite but go off.
: Hardest Champion in league as of season 8
Vsec Exile (EUNE)
: Besides the odd carries that can make use of jungle items late or midgame
I've seen Faker taking it on Zoe like....really? xD Not that I'm questioning Faker, but still was wondering.
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Fajerk (EUW)
: TT has special version of the items. http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html
Uhm, thank you, but I can't find the information anywhere in the article ç_ç EDIT: Nvm, it opened the wrong page for a sec. Thank you!
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Fajerk (EUW)
: Is it possible to get rid of champion mastery?
I don't think so, but they should give you the option to do this!
: Honestly there are more variables than that... but simply put you should go for the champions that you outright find the most fun... you will learn faster on them, you will be able to main them without it feeling like you wanna,quit, and you will prob do better if your having fun as less prone to tilt. But objectively speaking... you have a control mage and a burst mage... that's two magic damage champions... So maybe lean towards an ad champion as your third so that you can supply physical damage if your team is heavy on magic already... So maybe zed or talon...
As weird as it might sound, I cannot play AD champions somehow :D I perform waaaaaay worse on AD than AP
: {{champion:103}} Solid, alllround, got some dashes, a sustain, true dmg. She's just generally pretty good. I consider her to be more of an assassin than a real mage, due to her mobility and pin point accuracy. Dashes, Q's and E allow for some mechanics, but not the most difficult. {{champion:131}} She's a pretty good assassin, that's got a bit of a tough early game, but gets fairly brawly late game. Will delete squishies and is a serious threat. Just not mechanically very challenging (not the same as easy to play). {{champion:245}} More of the same as Diana, but with a different flavor. Not the most high mechanic intense champ, but when he gets rolling he's a pretty good mage assassin. Can build tanky, or can be fairly safe when you have to play from behind. {{champion:84}} Bad early game, but enemy has to focus you, or lose the teamfight. Meanwhile you sustain all the dmg they try to get onto you. Only having a dash in means you'll have to consider your moves quite a bit...but the effecive threat range, and sustain makes up for a lot. Can definately solo carry if not taken care of by the complete enemy team. {{champion:238}} It's zed. Has a few mechanics with the whole shadow thing, but the payoff is stupid high. nuff said. I hate this champ. {{champion:91}} CAN BE GOOD. Though I have a feeling he might have a difficulty curve or situational viability like running into a brick wall. {{champion:7}} See her do pretty well occasionally. Needs a nice degree of mechanics since the rework. But could be a bit on the weak side atm. I think you'll have to judge that on your own.
Duno why but I can't play Ahri whatsoever, must be some sort of innate hate I got for the champion or something but I really feel bronze playing her. The rest is pretty good, yeah. Diana and Ekko are tempting on the list, I'll give you that. Might give a look to Katarina as well. Thank you!
Pelmorr (EUW)
: Should i wait to play provisionals?
If you're not in a rush, if you're just gonna play placements games and nothing else maybe wait a bit more, it's healthier later on. If you just wanna rank, go ahead, you can start climbing anytime.
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: You know when you get happy about earning a chest, open it and...
These days I only want to drop emotes, better than skins for me atm :D But yeah, keep it up
: Can not login
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N1ghtOG (EUW)
: So like when do the preseason changes get reverted?
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