: Control wards, how to do it with the gold cut?
Future's Market. Super underrated rune that allows you to go into debt. I can usually get exra 1-2 potions and 1 control ward. Next time you recall you will have already probably paid off the debt.
Nagarider (EUW)
: Unsatisfying Honor Reward
"I understand we get stuff throughout the season for getting honors in form of orbs ... but the contents stack up really fast and are basicaly meaningless later on in the game" No, you don't understand. If you get free shit given, you don't complain, you feel thankful.
: > Nowadays, i dont know what is happening with matching, but in almost every game there is one guy who dont know basics of the game and basically ruins everything You're Silver ... (Edit, since most ppl mistook this point for some reason ... i added a quote, making the reference clear, basically it references to the whole of the original post, except the last added part) > Yea almost forgot, FIX JUNGER EXP, beacuse if u give up on farming for ganking and ur gank fail, u will end up a lot behind.. Quite the opposite, many ppl say, rubberbanding leads to jglers not having to care if they fall behind on cs, while camping a lane. > but in almost every game there is one guy who dont know basics of the game and basically ruins everything does this mean, he loses lane? he does not rotate properly? he chases after opponents instead of taking objectives? maybe he does not know the matchup or is just inexperienced? Smart pings can help, but it's soloq and ppl have their own head. I think in every elo, you have frustrating moments, where one teammember was not quite on the same page with you ...
> [{quoted}](name=Kicherkeks,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=GvuGsq46,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-24T16:44:47.801+0000) > > You're Silver ... > > Quite the opposite, many ppl say, rubberbanding leads to jglers not having to care if they fall behind on cs, while camping a lane. > > does this mean, he loses lane? he does not rotate properly? he chases after opponents instead of taking objectives? maybe he does not know the matchup or is just inexperienced? Smart pings can help, but it's soloq and ppl have their own head. I think in every elo, you have frustrating moments, where one teammember was not quite on the same page with you ... Diamond with barely 50% WR, lol
: Ivern is really weak now.
NEVER seen an Ivern underperform in my games. Strangely enough, they always stomp or play well. I can't agree with this post, but I don't play Ivern and rarely see him.
Leebac (EUW)
: Starting to be little frustrating
Trash company and trash game.
: I think flex uses solo/duo MMR so that means that people who are equally skilled to you are gonna be lower rank, but similair mmr to you. Mainly cos Solo/Duo players are just better at micro/macro, because they have to solo/duo.
> [{quoted}](name=Doby flonk u mom,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hyfJk8ev,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-11-25T07:59:44.467+0000) > > I think flex uses solo/duo MMR so that means that people who are equally skilled to you are gonna be lower rank, but similair mmr to you. > > Mainly cos Solo/Duo players are just better at micro/macro, because they have to solo/duo. Solo/Duo has nothing to do with being better or not. People just don't give a shit in flex.
POMÆ (EUW)
: You're hella smart fella i say. Riots just finished what they tried to implement in season 3. Viable support role with good income and providing vision for the team. Supports were never supposed to be the strongest role for the first 10 minutes of the game, they were meant to... well, support! Prior to season 10 changes ad carries could only rely on getting good support otherwise line was completely lost, now botlane is a lane for 2 people. If you want to do most damage in the team, why not just play midlane? Good support still makes a huge difference against a mediocre one, all you need to do is shift your expectations from getting more gold and damage in team to helping your team get more gold and do more damage. And now about your screenshots. You don't account for the facts of getting tower plates, huge shutdowns or killing enemies worth only 100 gold. Also in the second game your opponents don't even have a support. So much for a master tier. P.S. while jungle changes are healthy for the game they make literally half of the junglers outclassed by those who have good clear.
> [{quoted}](name=POMÆ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Pad648B6,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-11-25T02:40:19.715+0000) > > You're hella smart fella i say. > > Riots just finished what they tried to implement in season 3. Viable support role with good income and providing vision for the team. Supports were never supposed to be the strongest role for the first 10 minutes of the game, they were meant to... well, support! Prior to season 10 changes ad carries could only rely on getting good support otherwise line was completely lost, now botlane is a lane for 2 people. If you want to do most damage in the team, why not just play midlane? > > Good support still makes a huge difference against a mediocre one, all you need to do is shift your expectations from getting more gold and damage in team to helping your team get more gold and do more damage. > > And now about your screenshots. You don't account for the facts of getting tower plates, huge shutdowns or killing enemies worth only 100 gold. Also in the second game your opponents don't even have a support. So much for a master tier. > > P.S. while jungle changes are healthy for the game they make literally half of the junglers outclassed by those who have good clear. Support could be a god in Ardent Meta, NEVER since or before, LAMA%%%%INGAO? You %%%%%ing because im doing good damage until lvl 5 when there's little disparity on stats? Supports after 5 only have their utility. What are you gonna say next, roams? YEah utility is good, CC is always good in games. Don't wanna get killed by someone roaming? ward. Toplaners roam, midlaners roam, the only ones who don't roam are adcs. I don't play fake supports, you can two shot an enchanter without even using your ultimate. Cry me a bit more when supports keep shredding you.
: plat2 supp main, can attest, being unable to farm gold when playing Senna or Pyke when your ADC lags behind hugely nerfs the snowball potential which ultimately results in a duo-lane where one's ability to play is way more important than the other's. Ultimately lane is decided by which ADC is better at keeping the lead and support can't do anything anymore except for playing passively since taking a risk still gonna leave you behind
> [{quoted}](name=Goro Majima san,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Pad648B6,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-11-24T18:19:21.331+0000) > > plat2 supp main, can attest, being unable to farm gold when playing Senna or Pyke when your ADC lags behind hugely nerfs the snowball potential which ultimately results in a duo-lane where one's ability to play is way more important than the other's. Ultimately lane is decided by which ADC is better at keeping the lead and support can't do anything anymore except for playing passively since taking a risk still gonna leave you behind Im a support main, gold. Sometimes it feels that ADC is the support AND carry now. Me engaging usually results in a lot of HP loss and enemies escaping without using any summons. I now WAIT for my adc to engage... Also, after the lane phase, EVERYTHING one shots enchanters. It's so ridiculous and stupid. A shield barely protects anything at all. Senna and Pyke don't struggle as much imo.
Blaxonec (EUNE)
: Can you please explain to me why {{champion:99}} is not a real support ? Also {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:235}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:350}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:26}} ? All I can see is that you are not doing well vs mages. The thing is the there is no "support" role. There are 4 roles on the map and 1 undefined role that must be putted somewhere. Thats the support role. Its not a champ that, heals, shields, does damage, pulls or whatever. Its a champ that can fit in and have some impact with minimal items. The thing you dont understand is that before supports became a thing nobody wanted to play that role. Queue times were HUGE. Like 1-2 supports in 100 people. And it was normal because you were relying on your team, your skill didnt matter so much. Riot is pushing the changes again in this direction and a lot of people will stop playing it again. The problem is that if you are good enough , you are supposed to carry in some way. Doing damage or shielding .... it doesnt matter, you should be able to make an impact based on your skill. I am sitting currently at diamond and got there while supporting. I am playing support for... i dont know maybe 5 seasons. Before supports became a real role there was no room for climbing with them. If you want to be a shield/heal guard to some %%%%%%ed adc ....be my quest but at the core of the game you should be able to win the games with your skill. When you are duo'ed with some bad adc then you realize that janna, nami, sona, soraka (almost all of the list you provided) are not going to help you at all. Champs like {{champion:99}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:161}} (and many more) have the ability to overcome bad duos and be a fully capable team member. Also the list you provided.... all of champs are entry level champs except thresh who needs skill. Now I see that you are in silver with negative win ratio. Learn to play different styles. League and MOBA in general were always about adaptivity.
> [{quoted}](name=Blaxonec,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Pad648B6,comment-id=000b0002,timestamp=2019-11-25T13:28:03.859+0000) > > Can you please explain to me why {{champion:99}} is not a real support ? Also {{champion:111}} {{champion:555}} {{champion:235}} {{champion:201}} {{champion:350}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:26}} ? > All I can see is that you are not doing well vs mages. > > The thing is the there is no "support" role. There are 4 roles on the map and 1 undefined role that must be putted somewhere. Thats the support role. Its not a champ that, heals, shields, does damage, pulls or whatever. Its a champ that can fit in and have some impact with minimal items. > > The thing you dont understand is that before supports became a thing nobody wanted to play that role. Queue times were HUGE. Like 1-2 supports in 100 people. And it was normal because you were relying on your team, your skill didnt matter so much. Riot is pushing the changes again in this direction and a lot of people will stop playing it again. > The problem is that if you are good enough , you are supposed to carry in some way. Doing damage or shielding .... it doesnt matter, you should be able to make an impact based on your skill. > > I am sitting currently at diamond and got there while supporting. I am playing support for... i dont know maybe 5 seasons. Before supports became a real role there was no room for climbing with them. > > If you want to be a shield/heal guard to some %%%%%%ed adc ....be my quest but at the core of the game you should be able to win the games with your skill. When you are duo'ed with some bad adc then you realize that janna, nami, sona, soraka (almost all of the list you provided) are not going to help you at all. > Champs like {{champion:99}} {{champion:143}} {{champion:25}} {{champion:161}} (and many more) have the ability to overcome bad duos and be a fully capable team member. > > Also the list you provided.... all of champs are entry level champs except thresh who needs skill. Now I see that you are in silver with negative win ratio. Learn to play different styles. League and MOBA in general were always about adaptivity. Worst blob of trash I've ever read, damn. So supporting takes no skill? everyone just gets carried? hmm, let me search your op.gg to see what you play. Of course you pretty much play that dull champion: Lux xD should have guessed! If you don't know the definition of support stay in your corner and don't ever talk. You come from the said easiest region of LoL... But whatever, you're Diamond so I guess you're better.

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