: I can see that you are just an akali main that doesn't like his champion getting nerfed xd
My champion is bad at assassinating people that AD bruiser is actually good to play.
Ðusk (EUW)
: That seems pretty bullshit, the vast majority of mains I know from the AkaliMains discord seems to really dislike the revert idea, with most high elo master+ mains not really caring since they like both, but preferring the new one's mechanics! But sorry to burst your bubble but hmmmmmm a revert just isn't happening, ever. Riot has 0 incentive to revert Akali, especially since the playerbase seems to not want it :)
Wait what's bigger, the discord or the subReddit + boards? Most would want a revert since this champion is absolutely impossible to 100% balance and satisfy the old Akali mains. Your delusional to think that the player base don't want it lmao.
: its childish to attack the person instead of his argument .. he says her kit is toxic your response : **nuhhh ** "but you are bad" he : 'still toxic' you : 'still bad' [caution methaphors] you realize how you arent arguing but only actualy attacking mindlessly ? thats exactly how akali feels to play against btw .. you cant hit her because she isnt actualy playing league .. she is in her own crowd--game hitting you personaly instead of in the game .. evading every confrontation with reality(your skillshots) while just poking you down with weird easy to hit aoe (things you could say to everyone like "you are just bad") (ofcours this was a bit hyperbolic) but still .. your op.gg says you have a 56% winrate with akali for ~ 50 games this season .. if akali would be sooo bad why on earth do you have that winrate ? how can you play her with succes and tell others that she needs a buff ? let me tell you : because you arent objectivly talking .. you are only talking like any main reacts ..
No shit, I want my heal back, the only thing that old Akali from got removed.
: >I do think about both sides, you don't. > >I don't mind her getting gutted in a state for a bit mate you dont even realize what i was talking about .. i want her to be remade entirely because her current kit cant be ballanced .. she cant be at 50% and healthy .. it is simply impossible with that kit of hers that is why i said that even if she were at 10% w/r she is still toxic .. because her viability has nothing to do with wether or not she is toxic to fight .. i said to you .. making 1 akali main happy while he tortures 5 enemys is not the way to go .. that are both sides .. akali needs a total change to her kit .. not numberchanges >but removing her heal was bull shit. why that ? since when are all assassines suposed to have sustain ? >Yasuo, Liss and Kha. They are always viable, but never gutted. yasuo should also be changed .. but he is more or less bareble compared to akali .. lissandra was nerfed to the ground until a couple months ago .. khazix .. i cant say .. dont play enough vs him for enough of an argument >Most Akali mains play mostly 3 champions including Akali and some two or one trick. what if i say most if not every riven main only mains riven ? does that mean she is not allowed to be nerfed ever ? >Revert? Old Akali was way more tolerant to play against than this abomination. i havent exactly spoken about a revert .. but yea i agree .. so whats your point ? are you saying 'yes current akali has indeed a way too toxic kit and should be changed' ? if you do then we are on the same wavelength .. so shouldnt akali be f tier until they rework her into something everyone can enjoy or atleast something that doesnt torture most of the comunity.. right ?
Heal = Akali. Shroud was never the core of Akali, it was just another defensive ability before the rework. Not sure why you think otherwise, if you never played her before then you probably don't even know the champ correctly.
Svinjex (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=VolatileAkali,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ycxacE4E,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-16T14:49:39.117+0000) > > Your bad mate, I literally can't win games and half of the time can't even win lanes that I am supposed to. If you can't win against her you just suck and need to git gud. going s every game and losing i need to get gut xd. 1 guy gets caught in 40mins after 500pings and you lose a game since riot is making the game based on 20 champs and 20 meta items. Im saying that the reward and sustain she gets for having '0 brain and skill needs to get removed. Energy overall needs to be switched with mana so bad people dont clear the lane and harras without risking anything.
Well my champ is basically a minion, what's your point again?
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: You need to wait for the {{item:3146}} powerspike ;)
It heals like 60 to 90 which is NOTHING in fights, I want my actual passive heal, in a Q form or a PASSIVE form.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Well, in that case, you should stop searching. There is no champ like Akali. And that is why she was gutted. She broke the basics of League.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Well, there is only one champion left. But he is D-tier mid laner atm. Try my beloved friend Fiddlesticks :)
Well he isn't Akali-esq champion though.
: then you would like a champion who has the passiv to just either win or loose at the start of the game with a 50% chance ? a game always needs rules .. you can call me closeminded or whatever but saying a toxic champion should be viable even though fighting that champion is pure cancer feels to me very childish .. no matter how strong my mains would be nerfed i would accept it if i would play toxic champions who definitly dont deserve to be viable .. also .. isnt it closeminded to not even think about the other side of the coin and to only think "but the akali player must have fun" instead of thinking "hey the 5 people playing against this dumb champion need to have fun" ? in a way i can understand you .. but 1 akali being happy or 5 enemys being happy is for me not even arguabel .. in any situation i would make rather 5 ppl happy then one .. and akali makes 5 ppl unhappy .. so make her unviable for most ppl ..
Your wrong. So shun a community, because a champion got reworked into a worst state, %%%% off mate. Most Akali mains play mostly 3 champions including Akali and some two or one trick. Yasuo, Liss and Kha. They are always viable, but never gutted. I do think about both sides, you don't. I don't mind her getting gutted in a state for a bit, but removing her heal was bull shit. Revert? Old Akali was way more tolerant to play against than this abomination.
: Other than Diana or Riven I think Akali might be a good one for you.
Your gonna blow my brains out.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Don't hate me FeelsBadMan Try Katarina?
Katarina is a delay machine.
: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dKukoUkx39Y5wy3a7
That hurts in so many levels man.
: >I just literally explained she needs to use everything to burst the enemy, don't you understand? [before you read this : do note that i am talking about pre nerf akali since you and the op want her to be buffed into a similar state again] .. i am not talking about that .. i talk about the fact that her whole combo can be used to engage aswell as disengage .. overall her kit is too toxic to fight .. if khazix engages with e then he risks his life and he can **only** use his e out after he kills you (which isnt reliable if he isnt fed).. if akali uses one of her gapclosers to engage she can either use the same gapcloser again to dissengage imedeatly or just w out .. it feels like fighting toxic gas .. it just damages you over and over and you cant realy deal with it (hit it) except if you have huge aoe and can predict her movements very well .. she can literaly have a 10% winrate and i would still tell you that she should stay nerfed .. because if she becomes even close to viable (50% w/r ) she is the most cancer inducing saltmachine in the game .. for me just because a champion can be "ballanced"(to a 50% w/r) doesnt mean the champion should be buffed to achive it by all means .. example : imagine a champion that has the passiv to at the start of the game flip a coin .. if its heads he wins the game if its tails he looses the game .. the champion has a perfect 50% winrate but the problem is that it is toxic to fight that .. it sucks all the fun out of playing the game to begin with .. akali is similar as she is just extremely hard to punish for her mistakes because she can use so many escape spells and heal herself .. on top of that she doesnt even need to burst you 100-0 .. it is enough to burst you 100-50 wait for her w to come back up and take the rest of your hp in a "towerdive" (if she was played well then she could actualy avoid all but one towershot pre-nerf) ..
Sorry, but I'm not an idiot who likes champions to be a dumpster. Even I hate Zoe, but I still want her to be viable to play for the mains. If you think Akali should be always gutted for eternity then I don't need to argue with someone as close minded as you.
: except she can use e w and r to gtfo while khazix must either hold e and never engage or suicide jump and hope he kills you to escape ..
I just literally explained she needs to use everything to burst the enemy, don't you understand?
: Have you tried our Lord and Saviour, Emperor, God-tier, who reings in Ritto heaven... only true skillshot master, balanced beyond mortal minds, The one that banish Void, the one ultimate, progidy of alpha-omega, AO of all champions... {{champion:157}} Sorry for using only half of his titles.
His play style is very different than old and reworked Akali, never liked to play him for a long time.
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: Have you tried {{champion:131}} or {{champion:92}} ? They seem fun.
I hate you. On a serious note, yes but they are not fun to play like old and new Akali.
Rioter Comments
Svinjex (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Insidiøus,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ycxacE4E,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-15T22:04:45.203+0000) > > They removed her heal this patch. She souldnt be able to 1 v 2 at level 6 unless she is 10/0, 1 Q uses up almost half her energy (and you should probably learn how to keep your mana and use it properly instead of spamming your abilities like an ape). Also idk why you are crying because if i look on your opgg, in the last game you played in ranked, the enemy akali was 2/2/2, the enemy irelia was 6/1/1 and was mvp, and the enemy vayne was 8/1/3. So you are complaining about the wrong champ here buddy lol. Im complaining cause im outplaiyng a guy on top out CSING him out smarting him in every possition and he still gets the same dmg reward even more escapes than me for being a braindead spammer. He gots a better CS clear and push for free so if he gots mana he would be out of it in 1st 2mins and get rekt but no Riots logic always make the most easy to play heros with energy and give them sustain. Point is the game is to much team balanced now and not a lane carry type of game its like a coop. I was 2000 elo in s1 and d1 on main just got back into the game a few weeks ago even if you out cs a guy by 100 and he gots a lategame 3 20 1 vayne he will comeback for free not cause he is good or smart just cause of the items combined with the champ. basicly the game is played around 20 items for the 20 meta champs every season. Even the koreans are saying they are only plaiyng for the money.
Your bad mate, I literally can't win games and half of the time can't even win lanes that I am supposed to. If you can't win against her you just suck and need to git gud.
: Gold Talking
Still bad at the game bro.
: you wana tell me her 2 r dashes and her 2 e dashes and her w true stealth is not enough to escape ? also .. khazix e almost never matters .. he uses it on you and done 0 mobility until you are dead .. no jumps and reangages .. khazix cant dash on to you, stunn you, q you, attack you then dash away, again dash onto you q you, attack you and then dash through you to execute you .. he has 1 jump .. he must literaly kill you before he gets it back or he is punnished for using his only escape .. also his burst is the highest if you are isolated .. this happens like never when you actualy play mindfully if he attacks a non isolated target and he isnt fed into the next dimension then his burst is actualy very manegable .. he just doesnt heal constantly and cant dive you constantly also .. akali has enough burst especialy considering her ult stunns and has execute dmg ..(pre nerf .. post nerf i have no idea since i basicly dont see her (which makes me very happy (: ))
Lmao it isn't. First, her W is used in the middle of fight so she can't get one shotted, then her Ult is used to stun then execute AND her E is used to dodge skill shots or CC skill shot abilities. She doesn't have enough burst to kill them and use her E to gtfo out of there.
: akali pre heal nerf : uses q heals 200 -> replenishes costs by using passiv (and its energy so come on .. 10 per sec) khazix : uses w heals 200 at best -> has longer cd, only works if you stay in a lot of targets because the heal only works in melee, costs a good amount of mana which he cant regenerate fast (through normal means) at some point he cant use w because mana issues .. yea khazix says "where are my buffs ? i want 4 second cooldown on w, let it heal me as long as i hit anything and let it refund 50 mana on hit so i can actualy use it like akali does"
You forgot the best thing about him, his amazing burst. He can go in kill a target and gtfo away with his evolved E, Akali can't. His burst is one of the best between all assassins, that alone compensates for his long W cd heal. As I always say, Kha'Zix once over level 6, the mana he spent are negligible.
: She still jumps all over the place, goes invisible, deal plenty of dmg. Assassins with build in life steal is just a bad idea to begin with.
Kha'Zix says hello.
: her kit is so toxic, that she needs to be weak.
Your bad the game mate.
Zanador (EUNE)
: It has been done several times in the past. Riot sometimes just wants people to stop playing with a champion while they figure out what to do with it. Happened to Poppy, Evelynn, Azir, Heimer, Kayle, Singed and quite a few others. In some cases, like Poppy, Eve and now Kayle, we end up with a rework and in others like Heimer or Singed, Riot just slowly lets them sit on the bench as a niche pick. But this does not mean that they are useless. Heimer is a good example: he used to be quite bad, because his main counter was any ADC. But as soon as a meta was implemented where ADCs became rare or weak, he became a dominant power for months. So in theory, based on what Riot's balance team decides we have two main paths with Akali: either something in her kit will change, not necessarily something big, just something, or we will see small gradual buffs to her stats over the next months to see how much is just enough.
Her kit in design is broken. It needs very massive changes, it needs huge mechanic changes all over her kit.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: I still strongly feel like taking away her shroud would take away way more from her identity than taking away her healing. I'm pretty sure if Riot took away her entire shroud and replaced it with something like "your next basic attack will heal you" instead of taking away the healing from her Q, most Akali mains would be more sad than happy. Nice lying skills.. https://www.masterypoints.com/player/Silent%20Note/eune And the thing about ranked is not true. Normal games are more difficult than ranked unless you're above diamond, because in ranked, you're playing against people around your elo, which is really easy to do. Meanwhile in normals you are matched up against high platinum and diamond players, sometimes even masters. While I was playing ranked, I found it ridiculously easy to climb. There are also way more afks and inters in ranked, which makes the entire thing even worse.
Well does most of the Akali community agree with you? They don't. Most want her dashes and her heal back not her broken ass designed shroud. Yeah that's a shit design, That's more of a passive not a basic ability. They don't put stand alone passives in a champion ability slot these days. Mastery points don't mean shit if you don't play her anymore. I can say that, because I don't play Kennen anymore and yet over multiple accounts I have 300k MP. Your WRONG. Normal games are easier, because of many reasons that I'll list. 1) People don't try hard as much as in ranked. 2) People tend to NOT play their best champions and they often play roles they are not familiar with. 3) They tend to want to have fun and build stupid shit on their champion. 4) Ranked players always try hard and play their best champions + Roles. 4) If someone is Gold 3, he'll get matched against gold 2 up to plat 5. Sometimes even hitting as high as plat 3 or as low as silver 1. If I listed more it could be annoying to read. "Easy to climb" Then climb up to plat 3. It doesn't matter if there are more AFK'rs or inters. If you say it is easy to climb then climb. Just because you play ARAM and normals 24/7 and say stupid shit doesn't mean your correct even if you have 100k MP on Akali. You don't play her regularly at all. The last 10 days you only played ONE Akali game.
: > Heal + Triple dash = Akali. Shroud was the enabler ability not her heal. Her heal was the thing that made her unique than other assassins. A lot of assassins have invisibility, even if they change it to obscure, it's still invis. Except you’ve contradicted yourself here... 9 assasins have invisibility (true assasins), 3 being camouflage so a big difference to akali so that knocks it down to 6, 5 if you disclude akali. 8 assasins have a heal (not including akali for obvious reasons) ... that means that compared to assasins with invisibility (not camo, again different enough to be counted separately) healing is more common than invisibility. So what you’ve just said is outright wrong... if your looking at unique things her W was more unique among assasins than her heal (especially as it’s the longest form of invisibility). > They have enough damage from runes, and base stats to kill you. Oh, did I forget they have so much defensive abilities in their kit that they negate you from every getting close, and if you do. You get out-raded simply either because of grasp of the undying or after shock. Because they counter you. League works off a Rock Paper Scissors system... tanks beat burst, burst beats dps, dps beats tanks... akali is a burst champion, i she could be tanks and fighters in a 1v1 then something has gone horrifically wrong. So your complaining that someone who should beat akali is beating akali. > Gun blade healing in skirmishes and team fights is negligible, or mediocre at best. Until you stack ravenous hunter + get more AP. Your healing is not comparable to 9.2 Akali. She’s an assasin not a drain tank, Her healing should be mediocre. > The shroud got nerfed so many times, that it's not as good as Pre-reworked Akali shroud. The only good thing the new shroud has is that it's an obscure type not a normal invisibility like Per-reworked Akali shroud is. Except it’s the exact same... that’s the funny thing riot didn’t change her shroud, besides making it last longer and have a bigger radius. Detection still worked the exact same minus the tower interaction... now that’s gone obscure works the same way as invisibility. > Without her ult, she can't burst for shit (Unless ahead by a lot). Her ult is what actually made her burst, specifically her execution. Rework this ability, it's more toxic than the Shroud. That’s the point... assasins are meant to be ult gated, their ults are where their burst comes from. So what you’ve just said is what an assasin should be like. > Do you know why I think Akali is a hybrid of bruiser and assassin? Because her burst is low. Why? Well her shroud was OP as %%%%, her execution is toxic to play against and her heal might be a problem, but those two are the biggest problems. Her heal could've made into her passive and it could've fixed it by a bit. Her burst isn’t low... not in the slightest... it’s ult gated which is the entire point of assasins. She no different in burs to anyone else. > Sure his ult is the only defensive tool, BUT if you count runes (Which you should). His offensive abilities makes him a monster, and if he gets Spear of Shojin and Ults you. He can just stun (Which are two autos) + AA get his Q and continue the cycle. Actually you shouldn’t count runes... anyone can pick them so they ain’t much of an advantage... plus renekton goes for offensive runes so still no defences > Lmao the "He's gonna get out scaled" No he isn't gonna get out scaled hard, he has amazing items and abilities to carry hard. His heal is decent too, especially with 50+ fury. Late game he either goes full damage and dies before doing anything, or tanky and doesn’t do anything. If you think he isn’t going to get outscale that’s just you being bad. > She did and still does have weaknesses, her shroud was nerfed (8.24b and 9.3) to have multiple effects that HELPS YOU DIRECTLY. That’s not a weakness that’s just counter play... big difference. And considering she was still pick or ban showed those changes did very little. > Her heal is %%%%ing trash at rank 1, 2 and 3 (Is decent at rank 4 and gets good at rank 5). If you didn't poke her a lot then it's your fault. That's what people say to me when I'm against Nasus, you need to poke him so he doesn't sustain and then kill him (Like Akali). It is unhealthy, but they could make it less problematic by moving it to passive. Mission accomplished. So you just admitted that havin the heal was unhealthy. More so moving it doesn’t accomplish much, you’ve still got the heal and she still doesn’t have that hard of a time using it if you know what you are doing. > Her mid game was the only thing that is strong for her, and you can't get objectives fast enough to actually carry your team. You rely on your team which other assassins unsurprisingly don't. Her early game is only strong against Melee champions, you can just swap with your mid laner or camp her every time she uses W. Most Akali mains use it offensively to trade with you. Let them use it and ping your jungler to gank. If you can’t carry as an akali that’s just you being bad, not the champion. She was stronger at carrying than any other assasin because she could influence a fight for longer. > If that happened to your champion, you'd be a hypocrite. It has, plenty of times... you just adapt, simple as that. > They didn't hit hard, they gutted her. No need to "look if she is struggling" she is literally struggling the moment they removed heal. > I am 100% if they don't bring her heal back up, she needs insane bursts or buff back her defensive abilities heavily and you will regret that you said "Akali heals too much!" > That happens when you remove one of the strongest assets of a champion then make them stupidly strong at something (In Akali's case, Burst). Actually that’d be a fair trade off and one I’d be happy with... giving her an increased weakness for an increased strengh is a good change and one that actually allows this rework to do its job... her burst has outplay potential, her heal didn’t. > It's very easy to fix her Heal, put it on passive and nerf it's early game healing a bit and buff it's mid to late game. It can work again, your just annoyed at the fact she has a heal on ranged which can be easily countered by GW. She isn’t a drain tank, she doesn’t need that heal. And putting it there turns her into a drain tank, which creates a whole plethora of issues, least of all is her following in tank ekko’s footprints. If riot did that they’d have to keep nerfing akali... we’d end up to this low one way or another at least now you get to have her playable sooner. > Imagine nerfing 50% of Nasus sustain healing, that would gut him right? He's already buffed heavily stat wise, so it's not bad right? Honestly I’d love that change... nasus healing is a massive issue which reduces counter play and increases frustration. > Well it is bad, even if he's over stat as %%%%. Nasus healing is literally covering his early game weakness, why do you want Akali heal removed and not Nasus? He's mid game and late game are way better than her. Once he get's enough stacks (Which by the way isn't long now since they buffed him). He will decimate your team. A champion shouldn’t have their weakness covered... if a champion is able to cover their own weakness they might as well not have the weakness to begin with... the point of a weakness is to exploit it, healing like nasus or akali prevent weak early games from actually being weak. > Just because I played for a year in THIS account doesn't disqualify my experience in my older accounts. I have played this game since beginning of 2016 and I literally only played Akali. Oh by the way, I peaked at platinum 5 in school and literally got decayed back to gold 5, because I literally had no time to play 24/7 like other people. Oh, and that's with OLD AKALI. Then if you’ve got an excuse don’t try to judge others who might also have an excuse. I’ve only got time and motivation to play ranked once a month if that... last year I got to gold with a 70% win rate then didn’t play ranked again because I knew I didn’t have time to play enough for ranked decay... I’m too busy with university. > There are people who played since 2017 and are better than me and you. Probably have better knowledge of the game than me and you. So stop discrediting me as you said that I discredited you. If you try to discredit me I’ll discredit you, that’s fair. If you can’t takr it then don’t think you can get away with giving it. And a player from 2017 won’t know anything from before then losing valuable insight. You might have been playing since 2016 but I’ve experienced akali since 2013... more so akali got reworked in 2016, so you experienced a newer akali, I’ve been dealing with akali since her original form and therefore bring more insight into this descussion. > Ranks = Skill. No more, no less. Ranks are the definite thing that reflects your skill in every game that has it. I at least peaked at Plat 5 and needed to take a break for school. Actually it can also mean time, those with more free time have more games and therefore can climb higher, you said that yourself. Same with motivation, those who can’t be asked with climbing won’t regardless of skill. Also skill =/= knowledge... there are challenger players who are ignorant or have no idea about the game... really not hard to know more than them if you just pay attention
Ekko, Pyke, Kayn, Kha'Zix (Noct isn't an assassin and more of a diver). That's 4 champions that heal. Healing isn't common. If you include items like gunblade then they heal. I'm talking about assassin that have heal in their kits. Idk why I'm arguing with someone who literally can't check champion's kits.
: Akali has counterplay now, You just gotta adapt and realize than you will not autowin every matchup :)
Old Akali had more counter play, this Akali has none before 8.24b nerfs. Now she has too many, and she is literally a broken design.
Metauriel (EUW)
: The old akali was just stupid op but this akali was fine untill these nerfs in my opinion
"op". Don't make me laugh, she had almost no high elo presence, no pro play presence. Was a stat check champion and was just viable the whole time. She wasn't good or bad, just decent/viable. Nothing special beside that she healed a lot and had 3 dashes. Maybe count shroud as a special thing but I consider invisibility common in league.
: > [{quoted}](name=VolatileAkali,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=aMQN17vH,comment-id=0000000000000000000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-09T17:24:17.394+0000) > > I do not mind point and click assassins removed, but this "No dancing around fights, no special gimmicks." is true for a lot of assassins. Most don't dance or have special gimmicks anymore beside a few. They just nuke you and get the %%%% out, Akali doesn't and is probably the hardest assassin to play, yet people keep complaining. > > Who by the way are just support mains. I meant that as mechanical depth more than anything else. Which most assassins have in some way, shape or form. Also, nice not so suitable jab there buddy.
Sorry needed to say that since most who complain about her are support mains that don't know shit about her. I needed to jab.
: > Lmao I don't care about the point and click abilities of old Akali, but I care about the heal. It is the identity of this Akali. Her heal has never been her identity, it’s been an enabler ability not her identity... if you want an identity for akali it’s her mobility and W... her heal is as much of an identity as her point and click hence the example. > Tanks already have multiple defensive abilities already, plus they have damage to be the aggressor after spectral cowl or any MR item. Yes tanks have multible defencive abilities, but maokai only has one, his heal. Plus they don’t have damage after first item, their damage is base stats so the longer a game goes the less damage they do. > That heal is infinitely better than Akali, I don't mind him having a heal, but Akali too has limited defenses. Her Heal + shroud is her defense as an assassin bruiser-ish champion. Her E is mostly used backwards to get close to the champions and sometimes to hope over walls (Though rarely). Firstly akali uses gunblade as a core so that increases her healing by a lot. Secondly she has a shroud, invisibility is an extremly powerful and near uncounterable... Sylas has a shield and that’s it... her defencive tools are still a lot stronger. Thirdly akali is a burst champion, Sylas is a sustained damage champion, different damage profiles require different tools to accommodate. Fourthly the fact that you think akali is or should be a bruiser/assasin is exactly why the heal needed to go, assasin/bruisers are extremly unhealthy and dont have a place in the game. > He doesn't need to scale if he's ahead of the enemy laner by a big margin. He has already multiple defenses abilities + mobility. He has one other defencive tool which is ult gated. And he doesn’t scale, even when ahead he will get outscale and needs strong early game tools to succeed... and for that matter his heal barely scales either. > The problem is her kit no matter what it will be good against melees, removing heals makes her worse at mid AND top lane. I don't mind her getting a shit early laning phase for a better mid to late game. Removing heal wasn't a good way to do that. She needed a weakness, before the change she had barely any real weakness... her heal allowed her to bypass a weak early game by healing through poke and her W allowed her to ignore engages... that’s unhealthy. She alrwady has a strong mid game and after first item spikes extremly hard, she needs an exploitable early game to be balanced and she didn’t have one. > ????? This one really was a WTF moment. She WAS pick or ban, but right now she ISN'T. It’s almost like the point of nerfs is to make champions weaker, mission accomplished. > She is one of the most useless champions in the game maybe even THE most useless champion in the game. This is how balancing works... they tried to be soft and it didn’t work, so they then hit her hard. Now they look to see if she is struggling and if she is they can buff her back up. You can’t do it all in one step it just doesn’t work like that, you gotta do it in stages and your complaining about the changes when riot ain’t done yet. > Her heal removal gutted the champion into nothingness. Her heal made her functional, since Akali's release as the original 40 champions. The heal made her function through all the years, your just ignorant to know that. I’m well aware her heal kept her functional but that doesn’t mean it’s healthy, it worked when it was a melee ranged on hit ability, that worked because it was counterable. Now with akali moving away from point and click abilities it was no longer healthy. Riot needed to remove it, and then find another way to make akali functional, without something like a heal allowing her to ignore a weakness. > I just noticed you don't play ranked, so I'm pretty sure you don't know what your talking about. Ah yes going to ranks just to discredit people because you’ve ran out of things to say... typical Ironically you’ve just looked at this season, which I haven’t done placements for due to being too busy. Last year I was gold with a 70% win rate... you are also gold with a lower win rate than me. More so you look like you’ve only played since S7, correct me if I’m wrong but that means I’ve played this game 4 years longer than you have. So I know full well what I’m talking about.
Heal + Triple dash = Akali. Shroud was the enabler ability not her heal. Her heal was the thing that made her unique than other assassins. A lot of assassins have invisibility, even if they change it to obscure, it's still invis. They have enough damage from runes, and base stats to kill you. Oh, did I forget they have so much defensive abilities in their kit that they negate you from every getting close, and if you do. You get out-raded simply either because of grasp of the undying or after shock. 1) Gun blade healing in skirmishes and team fights is negligible, or mediocre at best. Until you stack ravenous hunter + get more AP. Your healing is not comparable to 9.2 Akali. 2) The shroud got nerfed so many times, that it's not as good as Pre-reworked Akali shroud. The only good thing the new shroud has is that it's an obscure type not a normal invisibility like Per-reworked Akali shroud is. 3) Without her ult, she can't burst for shit (Unless ahead by a lot). Her ult is what actually made her burst, specifically her execution. Rework this ability, it's more toxic than the Shroud. 4) Do you know why I think Akali is a hybrid of bruiser and assassin? Because her burst is low. Why? Well her shroud was OP as %%%%, her execution is toxic to play against and her heal might be a problem, but those two are the biggest problems. Her heal could've made into her passive and it could've fixed it by a bit. Sure his ult is the only defensive tool, BUT if you count runes (Which you should). His offensive abilities makes him a monster, and if he gets Spear of Shojin and Ults you. He can just stun (Which are two autos) + AA get his Q and continue the cycle. Lmao the "He's gonna get out scaled" No he isn't gonna get out scaled hard, he has amazing items and abilities to carry hard. His heal is decent too, especially with 50+ fury. She did and still does have weaknesses, her shroud was nerfed (8.24b and 9.3) to have multiple effects that HELPS YOU DIRECTLY. Her heal is %%%%ing trash at rank 1, 2 and 3 (Is decent at rank 4 and gets good at rank 5). If you didn't poke her a lot then it's your fault. That's what people say to me when I'm against Nasus, you need to poke him so he doesn't sustain and then kill him (Like Akali). It is unhealthy, but they could make it less problematic by moving it to passive. Mission accomplished. Her mid game was the only thing that is strong for her, and you can't get objectives fast enough to actually carry your team. You rely on your team which other assassins unsurprisingly don't. Her early game is only strong against Melee champions, you can just swap with your mid laner or camp her every time she uses W. Most Akali mains use it offensively to trade with you. Let them use it and ping your jungler to gank. If that happened to your champion, you'd be a hypocrite. They didn't hit hard, they gutted her. No need to "look if she is struggling" she is literally struggling the moment they removed heal. I am 100% if they don't bring her heal back up, she needs insane bursts or buff back her defensive abilities heavily and you will regret that you said "Akali heals too much!" That happens when you remove one of the strongest assets of a champion then make them stupidly strong at something (In Akali's case, Burst). It's very easy to fix her Heal, put it on passive and nerf it's early game healing a bit and buff it's mid to late game. It can work again, your just annoyed at the fact she has a heal on ranged which can be easily countered by GW. She will never be functional unless they over buff her to the point where something is too strong. Burst might be way too fast and strong. Her E and W might get huge buffs, maybe her Q gets damage buffs over and over. Riot made mistakes like this, it might happen again. Imagine nerfing 50% of Nasus sustain healing, that would gut him right? He's already buffed heavily stat wise, so it's not bad right? Well it is bad, even if he's over stat as %%%%. Nasus healing is literally covering his early game weakness, why do you want Akali heal removed and not Nasus? He's mid game and late game are way better than her. Once he get's enough stacks (Which by the way isn't long now since they buffed him). He will decimate your team. Just because I played for a year in THIS account doesn't disqualify my experience in my older accounts. I have played this game since beginning of 2016 and I literally only played Akali. Oh by the way, I peaked at platinum 5 in school and literally got decayed back to gold 5, because I literally had no time to play 24/7 like other people. Oh, and that's with OLD AKALI. There are people who played since 2017 and are better than me and you. Probably have better knowledge of the game than me and you. So stop discrediting me as you said that I discredited you. Ranks = Skill. No more, no less. Ranks are the definite thing that reflects your skill in every game that has it. I at least peaked at Plat 5 and needed to take a break for school.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: > Nope. Her identity was never the shroud. Her identity was the heal + triple dash. The shroud currently is unrecognizable to the old Shroud. Her identity was always that she could go invisible with the shroud in the middle of teamfights. Do you know who comes to my mind first when I hear "heal + triple dash"? Ahri. Not Akali. Do you know who comes to my mind first when I hear "shroud"? Akali. And I bet you that if you made a "Guess the champion" post here, and gave the word "shroud" as a hint, 95%+ of people would recognise you were thinking of Akali. > You don't play Akali LOOOOOL, Akali is literally my second most played champion. > and you don't play ranked. What does that have to do with Akali's identity?
Shroud wasn't the core identity of Akali, not sure where you going at. Champs have similar identities, nothing new there. Just because she is the only person that has shroud doesn't mean she's Akali, you can slap shroud on a new in development champion and remove it from Akali and bring back triple charged dashes + heal and most Akali mains will be more happy than sad. No she isn't, since OP.GG is down I checked blitz.gg (and LeagueofGraphs) and you don't even play her not once of your recent games you played her. Stop spouting bullshit. Nice lying skills, you almost only play Sona and Ahri. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/eune/Silent+Note Ranked = Skill and game knowledge. If you don't play it at least half of your games than you don't have as much depth about Akali or most champions to that matter.
Haze97 (EUW)
: Here comes more crying, oh boy.
Says the guy who is in the bottom ranked ladder.
: > [{quoted}](name=VolatileAkali,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=aMQN17vH,comment-id=00000000000000000000000200000000,timestamp=2019-02-09T12:51:26.939+0000) > > Ok I'll list you some assassin that literally just nuked a champion with some that don't have special gimmicks. > > Talon: He's one of the best assassins, amazing roaming, damage, burst, passive + ignite can kill you at lvl 2 very easily, still useful at late game. > > Kha'Zix: Evolve mechanic isn't special since Kai'sa has it too. One shots and either gets out or jumps again and kills somebody else. He might need to get ahead to be useful, but it's very easy once you get a kill or two. > > Kayn: SA form is pretty much a nuke in itself, W + Q + Auto, and if they didn't die you R. Why? Because he's passive deals Magic Damage, so armor doesn't affect him as much. He also builds lethality therefore giving him so much one shot potential. > > Zed: He's kinda shit, but still one shots. > > LB: Literally nukes you from ranged with extreme safety at all stages of the game. > > Rengar: This champion is literally jump one shot and get the %%%% out. Not much counter play when ahead, like nearly every champion. > > Kass: Late game nuke, once he gets his core and gets a few kill, he might be unstoppable in a lot of match ups OK, you latched onto the completely wrong part of my point and are using it to argue yours. The point I was making it, is that having a high burst damage champion being entirely point and click is not healthy for the game. Out of all of these, which one is fully point and click outside of Rengar (who is also pretty binary in his gameplay)? Oh, right, none of them.
I do not mind point and click assassins removed, but this "No dancing around fights, no special gimmicks." is true for a lot of assassins. Most don't dance or have special gimmicks anymore beside a few. They just nuke you and get the %%%% out, Akali doesn't and is probably the hardest assassin to play, yet people keep complaining. Who by the way are just support mains.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: They didn't. Her identity has always been her shroud. Her old shroud didn't have true stealth either.
Nope. Her identity was never the shroud. Her identity was the heal + triple dash. The shroud currently is unrecognizable to the old Shroud. You don't play Akali, and you don't play ranked.
: I mean her point and click abilities where also there since her launch but that didn’t give them immunity to being removed when they proved a problem. > Why does mao have heal? Why does Sylas have a heal? Why does Renekton have a heal? In order A tank so requires at least one defensive tool to be a tank, aka a heal Melee mage with limited defences, before you say it akali has her shroud. A bruiser so needs something to help win trades and have dominance in lane as he doesn’t scale > All of them can defeat Akali with or with out the heal, No shit Sherlock they are all bruisers and tanks, aka the counters to assasins... If akali can kill them easily something has gone horrifically wrong. > Her W got gutted and is sub-par, E is just a better lee sin that is used defensively, Ult is high cd because we don't build items that have CDR. And yet she was still pick or ban with extremly high burst potential... her heal removal just opens up a valid weakness it doesn’t at all affect her strenghs
Lmao I don't care about the point and click abilities of old Akali, but I care about the heal. It is the identity of this Akali. "A tank so requires at least one defensive tool to be a tank, aka a heal" Tanks already have multiple defensive abilities already, plus they have damage to be the aggressor after spectral cowl or any MR item. "Melee mage with limited defences, before you say it Akali has her shroud." That heal is infinitely better than Akali, I don't mind him having a heal, but Akali too has limited defenses. Her Heal + shroud is her defense as an assassin bruiser-ish champion. Her E is mostly used backwards to get close to the champions and sometimes to hope over walls (Though rarely). "A bruiser so needs something to help win trades and have dominance in lane as he doesn’t scale" He doesn't need to scale if he's ahead of the enemy laner by a big margin. He has already multiple defenses abilities + mobility. "No shit Sherlock they are all bruisers and tanks, aka the counters to assassins... If Akali can kill them easily something has gone horrifically wrong." The problem is her kit no matter what it will be good against melees, removing heals makes her worse at mid AND top lane. I don't mind her getting a shit early laning phase for a better mid to late game. Removing heal wasn't a good way to do that. "And yet she was still pick or ban with extremely high burst potential... her heal removal just opens up a valid weakness it doesn’t at all affect her strengths." ????? This one really was a WTF moment. She WAS pick or ban, but right now she ISN'T. She is one of the most useless champions in the game maybe even THE most useless champion in the game. Her heal removal gutted the champion into nothingness. Her heal made her functional, since Akali's release as the original 40 champions. The heal made her function through all the years, your just ignorant to know that. I just noticed you don't play ranked, so I'm pretty sure you don't know what your talking about.
: > [{quoted}](name=VolatileAkali,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=aMQN17vH,comment-id=000000000000000000000002,timestamp=2019-02-09T12:25:02.475+0000) > > New Akali is 100% more feast or famine play style than old Akali. Are you sure that you played both Akali's enough to know that? Old Akali was entirely point and click with her damage. No dancing around fights, no special gimmicks. She either had to nuke down a target faster than people could react, or she would likely just end up feeding a kill. She was binary as hell and that gameplay pattern is unhealthy.
Ok I'll list you some assassin that literally just nuked a champion with some that don't have special gimmicks. Talon: He's one of the best assassins, amazing roaming, damage, burst, passive + ignite can kill you at lvl 2 very easily, still useful at late game. Kha'Zix: Evolve mechanic isn't special since Kai'sa has it too. One shots and either gets out or jumps again and kills somebody else. He might need to get ahead to be useful, but it's very easy once you get a kill or two. Kayn: SA form is pretty much a nuke in itself, W + Q + Auto, and if they didn't die you R. Why? Because he's passive deals Magic Damage, so armor doesn't affect him as much. He also builds lethality therefore giving him so much one shot potential. Zed: He's kinda shit, but still one shots. LB: Literally nukes you from ranged with extreme safety at all stages of the game. Rengar: This champion is literally jump one shot and get the %%%% out. Not much counter play when ahead, like nearly every champion. Kass: Late game nuke, once he gets his core and gets a few kill, he might be unstoppable in a lot of match ups
Ðusk (EUW)
: Dude, they literally removed her E ability back then, and kept her in a permanently nerfed state where only Akali mains played her because she was a stat check. Any time Akali got close to being meta, she got nerfed. Just like old Poppy. You're talking out of pure nostalgia but, old Akali was one of the unhealthiest champions in the game. Akali will be treated like Zoe, she's going to be kept on the down low, and people will realize she's shit, and then she'll slowly get balanced out so she can be played in all elo's at an okay level. Riot's fixed it before, they'll fix it now. And if that doesn't work, I'd rather they rework her again. Reverting her is simply not an option.
At least she was more viable and more balanced than this shit. Not sure why you want this champion to live when she doesn't even resemble Akali, your in the minority. The vast majority of mains want her old self to be back.
: While yes she has always had a heal that doesn’t mean she should continue... the game evolves and with it so do champions, the heal on akali is no longer healthy (due to her safety being improved, having gone from 3 targeted dashes post 6 to 3 free cast dashes, ones being before 6), therefore it got removed It’s not a big part of her kit, and with the game evolving to the point where it’s an issue it needed to be removed.
"Not a big part." Are you sure bud? The heal was with her since her release, even if the games evolves. Riot never should've took the heal away. Why does mao have heal? Why does Sylas have a heal? Why does Renekton have a heal? All of them can defeat Akali with or with out the heal, Her W got gutted and is sub-par, E is just a better lee sin that is used defensively, Ult is high cd because we don't build items that have CDR.
Haze97 (EUW)
: I once tried playing Jax into her. The rest is history.
I once defeated top laners by sheer skill. The rest is history.
Haze97 (EUW)
: Honestly speaking, as a Katarina main I have never struggled against Akali while playing midlane. And I couldn't give a damn about how many skins you've purchased. Now if you think getting hit by a turret is a weakness then you're better off playing Pantheon.
Kata mains are rubbing on our faces since the day we were born. Iron 3 and talks shit as our champ takes no skill. Our champion is on the 10% of champions that are hard to play and hard to master. We don't have resets to back us up in team fights if our team killed the enemy, we only have one chance to kill the carry. You have problems against Akali, probably why you made this post.
Sefi (EUNE)
: Assassin logic right here: Cant one shot someone in 0.1 seconds = unplayable...
Not unplayable, useless once you hit 25min+ mark. Assassins are solo carries, Akali since the rework couldn't carry for shit.
: > [{quoted}](name=Tempest of Flame,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=HJyNeLVg,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-06T08:59:21.805+0000) > > Yes they are. Way too far. At this point they might as well revert the rework, cause she's going to be nigh unplayable. Not because of the turret stealth, but because of the heal removal. > She was already a bad pick when played by the 99% of the playerbase that aren't dia 1 or above, and now she's going to be absolute garbage. But since low elo players see akali making plays when caps is using her, and because they prefer to project their own lack of skill onto riot's failings instead of just learning how to play against akali, she was still somehow considered op... Well, she's still fundamentally the same, just without all of that safety (seriously, name another assassin with that much in combat survivability). The main purpose of this nerf was to find what her X-factor was, and the gradually buff the rest of her kit if needed.
Her kit fits a bruiser, her damage and her execution is the only thing that actually gave her some burst. Just strip that away and she becomes a bruiser.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Riot said they wanted to kill the champion, and then buff her slowly in order to balance her.
: > [{quoted}](name=DemonicWolfs,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EEwhItmZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-06T22:17:42.467+0000) > > it was super weird for everyone that they removed both stealth and heal at same patch, like they wanted to make sure she won't get perma-banned, but really outdone themselves. > anyway, her win rate is going to get in the bottom of the list. guess we have no choice but to wait for a revert. > > i really loved old akali's passive, it was great and fun to play around :) Yeah, really fun for Akali and literally no one else. Also, they are never going to revert her. Too much time and resources went into her VGU, they're not going to scrap it at this point.
I'm 100% your just speaking bull shit right now. Your just a support main that never played both Akali's enough to warrant that "It's only fun for the Akali and no one else." Well I have also something to say. It's only fun for the Morgana player and no one else. If that's your argument, then I don't need to say more than that.
: > [{quoted}](name=M3GTRDragon,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=aMQN17vH,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-07T10:13:53.718+0000) > > pre rework akali was far more balanced than post rework:D I disagree, but that's neither here nor there. My point was game health and unfortunately, a point and click heavy assassin, with high sustain and feast or famine gameplay pattern wasn't really the healthiest thing in the game.
> [{quoted}](name=The7thSeal,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=aMQN17vH,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-02-07T10:41:58.133+0000) > > I disagree, but that's neither here nor there. > My point was game health and unfortunately, a point and click heavy assassin, with high sustain and feast or famine gameplay pattern wasn't really the healthiest thing in the game. New Akali is 100% more feast or famine play style than old Akali. Are you sure that you played both Akali's enough to know that?
: Ok, name another melee assassin that that much safe sustain. The issue was that Akali was an extremely safe champion and made her really frustrating to play against.
> [{quoted}](name=The7thSeal,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=aMQN17vH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-07T08:03:14.394+0000) > > Ok, name another melee assassin that that much safe sustain. > The issue was that Akali was an extremely safe champion and made her really frustrating to play against. Yet many champions can heal way better than Akali, and have better all-in potential. Renekton, Sylas and others that can do Akali job with heal and better.

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