Rioter Comments
: Of course, i know my opinions only are opinions and nothing else. I get what you are saying, that my attitude is still there, but my attitude here does not affect either your or my games. Its a big difference between having that kind of attitude in game or in a discussion.
> [{quoted}](name=LiquidHookerSE,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=1dJ23fYm,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-17T10:17:19.948+0000) > > Of course, i know my opinions only are opinions and nothing else. I get what you are saying, that my attitude is still there, but my attitude here does not affect either your or my games. Its a big difference between having that kind of attitude in game or in a discussion. So are you saying you have a completely different attitude in-game? I'm sorry but I don't buy that at all. And yes it does affect me because you are justifying the bad attitude that others will then replicate.
: I would not assume that i am being negative this entire post, im just telling you guys what i think and how i feel atm. And no, i am not feeling good about this and i am not being super super positive in this post but im trying to keep it at a certain level if you get what im saying. But im not spreading any negativity in games although im feeling like this, Its just here in my little díscussion and my ''negativity'' here doesnt really affect your games, thats the difference, being in a forum and expressing feelings and opinions is a whole different thing from expressing it in game because it will totally ruin the feeling of being a team, well i think you get what im saying. In my opinion a support is supposed to first of all: Ward river bush and also our jungle if we have lost a turret. (and yes of course im also supposed to ward with a control ward and my trinkets) Engage whenever there is a good oppurtunity for one. Try to save the adc in situations where its needed. And last, the support can try to get a good engage where the adc can get some kills and the support should not be afraid to die if the adc can get some really worthy trades that worth for both the team and the adc. Best regards bud
> [{quoted}](name=LiquidHookerSE,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=1dJ23fYm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-16T22:14:14.027+0000) > > I would not assume that i am being negative this entire post, im just telling you guys what i think and how i feel atm. And no, i am not feeling good about this and i am not being super super positive in this post but im trying to keep it at a certain level if you get what im saying. But im not spreading any negativity in games although im feeling like this, Its just here in my little díscussion and my ''negativity'' here doesnt really affect your games, thats the difference, being in a forum and expressing feelings and opinions is a whole different thing from expressing it in game because it will totally ruin the feeling of being a team, well i think you get what im saying. > > In my opinion a support is supposed to first of all: > Ward river bush and also our jungle if we have lost a turret. (and yes of course im also supposed to ward with a control ward and my trinkets) > Engage whenever there is a good oppurtunity for one. > Try to save the adc in situations where its needed. > And last, the support can try to get a good engage where the adc can get some kills and the support should not be afraid to die if the adc can get some really worthy trades that worth for both the team and the adc. > > Best regards bud You may not say it but the attitude is still there. The attitude of "my teammates are useless all the time". The flaming and general negativity in the chat is just the end result of this bad attitude. It's very hard to think positively when you pander to the "1v9" mindset. How about a little experiment. Ask yourself honestly, when one of your teammates does something you believe is "wrong" in a match, do you think: A. "omg what a fuc.king ret.ard" B. "why is this guy trolling/inting?" C. "wow, that guy made a mistake, oh well." D. "I didn't expect them to do that." From my experience most players think either A or B which is where a lot of the negativity stems from. Oh and on a side note, your opinion on what a support is "supposed" to do is just that, an opinion. There is nothing in the game's Terms of Use of Summoner's Code that says what a support should or shouldn't do, and a lot of people have different opinions on it. Not only that but there are many many different ways to play, and different ways to win. Your way isn't the only way, and may not even be the best way, despite what you might think.
: On level 2 the max you can do is ward and play and know where jg started helps a lot. Is a bit obvious twitch level 2 ganks, you know he probably will gank so you need play arround it
> [{quoted}](name=Kitty Girl,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=MAtevFXA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-16T20:52:12.999+0000) > > On level 2 the max you can do is ward and play and know where jg started helps a lot. > Is a bit obvious twitch level 2 ganks, you know he probably will gank so you need play arround it Where can I ward though? He goes into stealth well away from the lane and then comes in. I was playing on Red side btw.
Rioter Comments
: Why are cuss words punishable when not aimed at anyone?
Because the system can't tell the difference between untargeted insults and direct insults....
: My view about community nowdays.
> Well well, i got hella pissed because right now i am pretty damn tired of this community, no one is positive anymore, people are just blaming each other and seeing the less good things their teammates do, and not the good things at all. You mean like you are doing in this entire post? Also I have to ask, what (in your opinion) is a support "supposed" to do?
: Greatest Idea Ever For The Elo System
I understand where you are coming from here but the problem is that it would cause players to pick low winrate champions that they have little experience with in the hopes of winning and gaining the extra LP. And as said above, it screws over one trick players quite a lot.
: > And no, the IFS cannot detect context in any way, which is why I get punished for going afk in a 3v5 match where my 2 remaining teammates refuse to surrender and the enemy team intentionally drags out the match as long as possible. No, I'm assuming you got punished because you reacted negatively to your team mates not surrendering (which is not breaking the rules). Edit: >Have you ever seen the film "Rush Hour"? There's a lovely scene that highlights this kind of thing perfectly. A black guy says "what's up my [N word]" to another black guy and everyone is cool with it. But then Jackie Chan says the exact same phrase and the whole place turns crazy. Not an accurate comparison, at all. Also multiple slurs used in quick succession. Come on man, don't even try to justify what was said in this screenshot. You can do better than that.
> [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=0004000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T13:47:49.412+0000) > > No, I'm assuming you got punished because you reacted negatively to your team mates not surrendering (which is not breaking the rules). > I got punished for "disruptive behaviour" and when I asked Riot Support about it, they clarified that it was because I had gone afk in that match. Quote from AlphaAntidote of the Riot Support Team: > while I do agree that having those teammates can be quite discouraging and perhaps even infuriating, we cannot tolerate giving up and going AFK(I hope this also answers your last question) under any circumstances. I get that this can feel unfair, but everyone is subject to the same rules, no matter the situation that they are in while playing a match. Here's the problem. Just because someone breaks the rules doesn't mean they did the "wrong" thing. Likewise you can follow all the rules and still do the morally "wrong" thing. It's all very well saying everyone is subject to the same rules but our world (even when playing a game) isn't black and white and sometimes rules need to be broken. Most people understand this concept. A computer system cannot which is why the IFS is such a failed system.
Red Erica (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZpVFGGFq,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T13:13:44.673+0000) > > And what do you expect Riot to do about it? If you have a suggestion I'd love to hear it, and I'm sure Riot would too. What are you okay? People have been making suggestions for years. For example they want a way to deal with champ select griefers. And I also made suggestions. Simply punish it harder and in order to do that implement a damn algorithm that can read the severity of the inting and therefore weigh it correctly. We can probably get rid of the reporting system too then.
> [{quoted}](name=Red Erica,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZpVFGGFq,comment-id=00010000000000000001,timestamp=2019-09-15T14:14:58.078+0000) > > What are you okay? People have been making suggestions for years. For example they want a way to deal with champ select griefers. And I also made suggestions. Simply punish it harder and in order to do that implement a damn algorithm that can read the severity of the inting and therefore weigh it correctly. We can probably get rid of the reporting system too then. Yes and the majority of the suggestions made either won't work or are too impractical to be implemented. Your suggestion for example wouldn't work. Riot already hands out perma-bans and players who get banned just make or buy a new account. There also isn't a system Riot could come up with to punish based on the severity of the inting. That would require the system to learn and determine context which as we know it cannot do.
: No no Riot is a company that's trying to make money while hard ignoring every single customer...Sounds weird right?
> [{quoted}](name=IWDodgeTheGame,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZpVFGGFq,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T13:03:58.557+0000) > > No no Riot is a company that's trying to make money while hard ignoring every single customer...Sounds weird right? And what do you expect Riot to do about it? If you have a suggestion I'd love to hear it, and I'm sure Riot would too.
: I don't understand what context was missed in the provided screenshot that would make saying that in general, let alone with another person outside your friend group is seeing it too, where this would be acceptable. IFS can detect context to a degree - no where near perfectly of course, but it can.
> [{quoted}](name=A Snarky Cyclone,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=00040001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-15T12:59:11.935+0000) > > I don't understand what context was missed in the provided screenshot that would make saying that in general, let alone with another person outside your friend group is seeing it too, where this would be acceptable. > > IFS can detect context to a degree - no where near perfectly of course, but it can. Have you ever seen the film "Rush Hour"? There's a lovely scene that highlights this kind of thing perfectly. A black guy says "what's up my [N word]" to another black guy and everyone is cool with it. But then Jackie Chan says the exact same phrase and the whole place turns crazy. And no, the IFS cannot detect context in any way, which is why I get punished for going afk in a 3v5 match where my 2 remaining teammates refuse to surrender and the enemy team intentionally drags out the match as long as possible. There's a reason why courts still use a human judge and jury to decide who is guilty even though it would be a hell of a lot faster and more efficient to have a computer do it instead.
: This is happening for at least a couple of years now... It's obvious that Riot doesn't want to ban any behaviour except flamming because as you know if they ban every single bannable behaviour they are going to lose a lot of money because a lot of customers are inters,griefers,leavers,wintraders etc...They just want to make as much money as possible.Simple...They don't care about anything than production of skins,events etc
> [{quoted}](name=IWDodgeTheGame,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZpVFGGFq,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-09-15T12:49:16.250+0000) > > This is happening for at least a couple of years now... It's obvious that Riot doesn't want to ban any behaviour except flamming because as you know if they ban every single bannable behaviour they are going to lose a lot of money because a lot of customers are inters,griefers,leavers,wintraders etc...They just want to make as much money as possible.Simple...They don't care about anything than production of skins,events etc Wow, a games company that is trying to make money, what evil is this??!!!!
axilirate (EUW)
: > Soooooo my issue is that if you are in a losing game, where side lanes can't win and team fights are a lost cause, because your team has no engage adc has 70 cs. Team still does not want to give up and keeps you hostage in a game that is 100% lost No game is 100% lost. Anything can happen like their ADC may go AFK or they can make some huge mistakes. With that attitude it will be really hard for you to climb. Just had a game where our Master Yi went AFK after 10 min into the game. My friend just wanted to surr and start next when I told him League is not about the games you win it's about what you learn and how you improve from them. Really if you play like silver don't focus on getting gold, try to get better in every game and thank your bad teammates for making the game more challenging.
> [{quoted}](name=axilirate,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=wjp4Gxn6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-15T04:59:20.546+0000) > > No game is 100% lost. Anything can happen like their ADC may go AFK or they can make some huge mistakes. > With that attitude it will be really hard for you to climb. > > Just had a game where our Master Yi went AFK after 10 min into the game. > My friend just wanted to surr and start next when I told him League is not about the games you win it's about what you learn and how you improve from them. Really if you play like silver don't focus on getting gold, try to get better in every game and thank your bad teammates for making the game more challenging. Huh? This has nothing to do with climbing the ladder. I've been in situations like the OP is describing many times and it is very frustrating. In fact, I went through a phase of whenever my teammates refused to surrender a lost match (in my opinion) I would ask them "How do we win this match?" I never got an answer to this question. From my experience there are 2 groups of players who refuse to surrender: 1. "Never give up, never surrender!" - These players, for whatever reason, have this never give up mentality even though they have no idea how to win once they fall behind. 2. "I want you to suffer with me" - These players are so angry and spiteful that they will literally never surrender because they want their teammates to suffer as long as possible, usually due to some imagined slight. Yes you are right that no game is 100% lost, but expecting the enemy team to all DC at once in order to win is not realistic.
Red Erica (EUW)
: Inting and leaving unpunished
Are you referring to the Nami in your last match who went 1/12/14, or are you referring to yourself when you went 0/11/6 a few matches earlier?
: > To start off with, you need to know that the system is calibrated in such a way, that it will not trigger a review unless someone reports the individual, so that means that someone in that match decided to report him Speaking of context, it's not the system that's at fault.
> [{quoted}](name=Legendsofthedark,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2019-09-15T11:24:49.741+0000) > > Speaking of context, it's not the system that's at fault. You're right, it's not the system's fault. It's Riot's fault for implementing such a system.
: Daily reminder that matchmaking needs to be looked at
Hmm let's see, everyone in that game was Gold 2-4 so I'd say the matchmaking was working as intended for that match. What exactly are you complaining about again?
Declined (EUNE)
: Greetings CurlyBastard, You have a few facts wrong about why or how the system is set up, so I thought I'd clarify by correcting those details. To start off with, you need to know that the system is calibrated in such a way, that it will not trigger a review unless someone reports the individual, so that means that someone in that match decided to report him So if no one had reported him that match, he could easily said those things and gotten away with it, without any repercussions. The IFS you're referring to, is designed to give the player(s) feedback within a couple of minutes, so that the memory of the games are still fresh, and they know exactly what type of behavior was unwarranted. So I think you mean to say that the punishment system is erroneous, rather than the IFS being at fault.
> [{quoted}](name=Declined,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-15T10:35:55.025+0000) > > Greetings CurlyBastard, > > You have a few facts wrong about why or how the system is set up, so I thought I'd clarify by correcting those details. > > To start off with, you need to know that the system is calibrated in such a way, that it will not trigger a review unless someone reports the individual, so that means that someone in that match decided to report him > > So if no one had reported him that match, he could easily said those things and gotten away with it, without any repercussions. > > > The IFS you're referring to, is designed to give the player(s) feedback within a couple of minutes, so that the memory of the games are still fresh, and they know exactly what type of behavior was unwarranted. > So I think you mean to say that the punishment system is erroneous, rather than the IFS being at fault. That's all well and good but if the system can't distinguish context (which it clearly can't) then how much use is it?
axilirate (EUW)
: How are they supposed to know?
> [{quoted}](name=axilirate,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ThbAtjHV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-09-15T08:53:17.505+0000) > > How are they supposed to know? They aren't, which is why the system fails because context is important. If I call some random person on the street a %%%%wit that would be harassment, but if I say it to a friend during a piss-up in a bar that is playful banter. Context is important.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Bq6FEdgV,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-12T16:16:03.306+0000) > > I literally had this exact same scenario and it ended with me getting a 14 day suspension. I queried it with Riot support but they said there is never any excuse for going afk or quitting a match. This is why automated punishment systems are awful because context is important. you have to leave like 10 games in a row to get even close to 14 day ban... so stop talking lyes... **I left 3 ranked games recently (the last 20games) **cause 1 remake dude trolled us (we flashed in the enemy base for the lolz cause he was afk and it was remake, then 1 sec before he came back and we couldnt remake). **And i didnt even got Leaverbuster punishment. Not a warning, nothing... Guess why... cause i played over 200 games season9 without a single leave** > There is a game buffer about leaving/afk. If you play a few hundred games and then leave a few times its fine. nothing will happen, you wil not even get flagged. >If you leave to often: (my experience/experience from friends) _1 Leave/AFK on ~20 games is "acceptable", if you leave more oftern you get flagged._ >° Low priority Queue 10 min wait time >° Low priority Queue 20 min wait time >° Low priority Queue 30 min wait time >° 14 day ban? >° Perm ban? **I dont know a single person who ever got banned for leaving/afk. so the rate is pretty high.. but of course if you leave/afk 3 rankeds in a row you will get 10 min wait time.. if you leave again 20 min. then again 30 min... etc..**
> [{quoted}](name=Jannanomana,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=Bq6FEdgV,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-09-14T21:11:26.756+0000) > > you have to leave like 10 games in a row to get even close to 14 day ban... > > so stop talking lyes... > > > **I left 3 ranked games recently (the last 20games) **cause 1 remake dude trolled us (we flashed in the enemy base for the lolz cause he was afk and it was remake, then 1 sec before he came back and we couldnt remake). > **And i didnt even got Leaverbuster punishment. Not a warning, nothing... Guess why... cause i played over 200 games season9 without a single leave** > > **I dont know a single person who ever got banned for leaving/afk. so the rate is pretty high.. but of course if you leave/afk 3 rankeds in a row you will get 10 min wait time.. if you leave again 20 min. then again 30 min... etc..** Yes you are right that I had a history of leaving matches (for various reasons that aren't important here). My point is though that this was a time where my leaving the game was justified and I got punished for it. As I said before, the system cannot distinguish context which is why it fails so often, and the Riot support staff seem to have explicit instructions to defend the system regardless of the situation.
SLS MUSIC (EUW)
: i didnt said it to anybody trundle said it to me so wrote what trundle said to me
> [{quoted}](name=SLS MUSIC,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=7MUHcq7s,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-09-14T07:41:52.780+0000) > > i didnt said it to anybody trundle said it to me so wrote what trundle said to me Unfortunately the system doesn't care about context. All the system can do is pick up certain words and phrases and hand out punishments based on what is written, regardless of the reason.
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: one thing riot doesnt allow and one thing you need to control the masses
Peer pressure is irrelevant in LoL because the chances of you encountering the same player twice is very slim until you get to Master or higher.
: why do people call each other gay?
It's an old school yard insult that some people unfortunately never grow out of.
: Power Creep
Yeah I'll be honest I'm getting a little sick of it. It seems that no matter who I ban in champ select there is always someone on the enemy team who can 100-0 me in under 1 second. I don't remember it being this bad in previous seasons. Sure you would always get the occasional champion that does insane amounts of damage, but you can usually ban any such champions in ranked. Now though, there are too many to ban and it's frustrating to face.
: Is ekko's ult balanced?
Yes it's a strong ability but very predictable and easily countered, so I don't see a problem with it.
: New player LF beginner team/clubs/community and/or coaching/help!
Hi. I can help you if you like. I've added you in-game :)
: Hardstuck in Plat 4
It's hard to get a clear idea of what is going on without a replay to watch. If you link to the account you play ranked on I can take a look and see what is happening.
: software for a mouse with multible buttons can get u banned aswell.
> [{quoted}](name=me and 4 chimps,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=sxr7E4gI,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-09-13T08:06:24.411+0000) > > software for a mouse with multible buttons can get u banned aswell. Is that confirmed?
: Yeah I agree on that but that isn't the main issue I've been experiencing. The main issue is that the average Gold player I have in my games doesn't belong in Gold or at least doesn't play like it. I get that people have bad games, but a Singed running it down 2/13 is just him being horrible. Or bot lane who plays aggressive even after dying twice while being camped by the enemy jungler.
> [{quoted}](name=Sinister Cup,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=96svOwXt,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-13T00:55:54.579+0000) > > Yeah I agree on that but that isn't the main issue I've been experiencing. The main issue is that the average Gold player I have in my games doesn't belong in Gold or at least doesn't play like it. I get that people have bad games, but a Singed running it down 2/13 is just him being horrible. Or bot lane who plays aggressive even after dying twice while being camped by the enemy jungler. Skill is all relative. Put me against your average Iron Player and I will turn into a god and slaughter them. But put me against a Challenger player and I look like a complete newbie.
: Matchmaking
With so many smurfs running around it's almost impossible to have decent matchmaking. There isn't much Riot can do about this. Yes the matchmaking sucks but the players are just as much to blame for that.
: I got Perm banned for third party programs, i never cheated in my life and will never do
First, make sure your account hasn't been compromised. Check your match history to see if there are any games you don't recognise and change your password. Botters often use hacked accounts to test out new programs and scripts. After that, contact Riot support and ask about your ban: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
: > [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lZn3owxb,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T21:58:11.574+0000) > > No problem :) If you like, point out one of your recent matches that you'd like reviewed and I'll take a look. If you don't mind This one https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/4188478126/41477956?tab=overview i think i could do better in lanning phase
> [{quoted}](name=Já Te Vou Foder,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lZn3owxb,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T22:12:04.173+0000) > > If you don't mind > This one https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/4188478126/41477956?tab=overview > i think i could do better in lanning phase Sure thing. Hmm, Jhin+Pyke is a pretty scary lane to face, especially when you have a short range adc like Vayne. Personally I wouldn't have even try to contest for the level 2. Their level 2 is a lot stronger than yours and even if you hit level 2 first, chances are you won't be able to make use of it. As it stands I would have last hit the first wave and then pinged your adc to back off right to the turret. Yes you may lose a couple of minions but at least it will keep you safe. Your priority in this lane is to survive. Once Jhin and Pyke recalled you needed to help Vayne push the wave in. If the wave had frozen near to the enemy turret you probably would have lost the lane right there. When laning, don't throw out your bindings unless you know you can land them and follow up on them. The threat of the spell is worth more than constantly spamming it. When Hecarim came for the gank and killed Jhin you had the perfect opportunity to go for dragon. Ping it, pink it and go to it. Make sure you ping Vayne away from the minion wave because she will want to farm it and will likely die to Pyke. Alternatively, ignore Pyke and hard push the wave into the turret then immediately recall. Again, ping Vayne back as you recall to let her know what you are doing. There have been so many times when I've recalled and my adc hasn't been paying attention, then stays overextended thinking I was with them. You need to be more patient with your skillshots. When you walk up to someone they will expect you to throw a skillshot at them and start juking preemptively. Use this opportunity to close the gap with them, then wait for them to pick a predictable escape route before you use your skillshot. You'll find you land a lot more shots this way. Hope that helps.
: If i cant play the game because the server craps itself do i lose LP?
The only time you won't lose LP for a lost match is if Riot is aware of server issues and presses the big "loss prevention" button. Oh and because you left and couldn't rejoin there is a good chance you will be automatically flagged for punishment by the leaver buster, which doesn't give a shit about context.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lZn3owxb,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T21:27:47.280+0000) > > When communicating for objectives, the way you do it is very important. When you tried to get your team to go baron all you did was do the "baron is alive" ping. This kind of ping only puts text in the chat, and a lot of players ignore the chat and don't see what is written there a lot of the time. Instead, doing "on the way" and "assist me" pings usually get more of a response because they make a sound. The same goes for warding, if you know you are going into a dangerous place to put down and clear wards, ping for assistance and only go if you have backup. If your teammates flame you for not warding then tell them you need help to place and clear wards. Ok, i usually do ping about the objectives but not for vision. But i'll try to be more consistente about that! THX
> [{quoted}](name=Já Te Vou Foder,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lZn3owxb,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T21:32:18.343+0000) > > Ok, i usually do ping about the objectives but not for vision. But i'll try to be more consistente about that! THX No problem :) If you like, point out one of your recent matches that you'd like reviewed and I'll take a look.
: I shouldn't have played this game. I was a bit tilted from my promos. I never do that invade when i'm not tilted. After lanning phase and first Drake i pinged my team and said to play arround the rift. Then there is a play where we kill Eve and i pinged the team to do baron. I think i had a pink and the oracle rdy but none of my teammates reacted to the call. Garen missed some opportunities to take down top tier one turret (he was autofilled so i can't complain much). At 27min when we did the drake i knew zed was pushing top and i used ult to stop ali engage and jinx follow up. Unfortunatly Eve killed cait and garen. Kayn kept on trying to kill them. After the loss of his GA he started to flame me because i didn't went to help him. I knew Eve was near and i couldn't get to him. Zed came from top and died. They do baron obviously and after that was everyone forthemselves... As for the vision, i usually try to ward accordingly to the objectives my team is going to do, but in this game kayn was chasing kills, my team was not helping me clearing wards ir puting some so i didn't knew where was teemo and eve. The vision score don't show how many shrooms i cleared but sometimes i could only use Oracle to clean 3 or 4 shrooms because i had no teammates to help me clear it. After this i appreciate the effort to point out my mistakes and i'll try to improve accordingly.
> [{quoted}](name=Já Te Vou Foder,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=lZn3owxb,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-12T21:04:46.082+0000) > > I shouldn't have played this game. I was a bit tilted from my promos. I never do that invade when i'm not tilted. After lanning phase and first Drake i pinged my team and said to play arround the rift. Then there is a play where we kill Eve and i pinged the team to do baron. I think i had a pink and the oracle rdy but none of my teammates reacted to the call. Garen missed some opportunities to take down top tier one turret (he was autofilled so i can't complain much). > At 27min when we did the drake i knew zed was pushing top and i used ult to stop ali engage and jinx follow up. Unfortunatly Eve killed cait and garen. Kayn kept on trying to kill them. After the loss of his GA he started to flame me because i didn't went to help him. I knew Eve was near and i couldn't get to him. Zed came from top and died. They do baron obviously and after that was everyone forthemselves... > As for the vision, i usually try to ward accordingly to the objectives my team is going to do, but in this game kayn was chasing kills, my team was not helping me clearing wards ir puting some so i didn't knew where was teemo and eve. The vision score don't show how many shrooms i cleared but sometimes i could only use Oracle to clean 3 or 4 shrooms because i had no teammates to help me clear it. > After this i appreciate the effort to point out my mistakes and i'll try to improve accordingly. When communicating for objectives, the way you do it is very important. When you tried to get your team to go baron all you did was do the "baron is alive" ping. This kind of ping only puts text in the chat, and a lot of players ignore the chat and don't see what is written there a lot of the time. Instead, doing "on the way" and "assist me" pings usually get more of a response because they make a sound. The same goes for warding, if you know you are going into a dangerous place to put down and clear wards, ping for assistance and only go if you have backup. If your teammates flame you for not warding then tell them you need help to place and clear wards.
: But ingame loading is same order Top - Jungle - Mid - ADC - Support. and janna is placed on adc position and adc on support position and trynda on top. So who is wrong game loading or op.gg?
> [{quoted}](name=Kitty Girl,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZZGbzvIk,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-09-12T18:21:45.717+0000) > > But ingame loading is same order Top - Jungle - Mid - ADC - Support. > and janna is placed on adc position and adc on support position and trynda on top. > So who is wrong game loading or op.gg? You're right, it does. I'm not sure then. It's a mystery.
: Im not sure.. Maybe? I didnt pay attention until we went into the game. But if she was, she didnt say anything to tryndamere in chat. Wouldn't they explain what happened? There was no tension at all, just this unexplained trolling from Janna. Even tryndamere kept telling her to go bot... Im thinking that - Even if she was meant to be top, why would she pick janna? and not toplane? And even if she was top and trynda picked top on purpose, why didnt she say it? And come bot for the sake of actually winning the game? Instead she stayed top and fed, along with tryndamere, and I was 1v2 and had the only positive score in team..
> [{quoted}](name=He Soo Sexy,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=ZZGbzvIk,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T17:07:51.143+0000) > > Im not sure.. Maybe? I didnt pay attention until we went into the game. But if she was, she didnt say anything to tryndamere in chat. Wouldn't they explain what happened? There was no tension at all, just this unexplained trolling from Janna. Even tryndamere kept telling her to go bot... Im thinking that - Even if she was meant to be top, why would she pick janna? and not toplane? And even if she was top and trynda picked top on purpose, why didnt she say it? And come bot for the sake of actually winning the game? Instead she stayed top and fed, along with tryndamere, and I was 1v2 and had the only positive score in team.. *shrugs* I don't have access to the chat logs so I don't know. What I do know is that on op.gg the teams are always arranged in the following order: Top - Jungle - Mid - ADC - Support. On the op.gg: https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=G%C3%A3mmaBeast for that match she is on the top of the list which indicates she was assigned Top as her role. And she picked Janna because she often picks Janna, for both adc and top lane.
: Improving my gameplay, any tips?
I'm currently watching the following replay: https://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/4188493760/41477956?tab=overview And I have some thoughts. Big problem right off the bat. At 1:04 you invade the enemy jungle alone to put a ward on the enemy red buff. This was a huge risk for very little reward since you can generally tell where the enemy jungler is starting by the laners movements. Gold players are pretty lazy and very rarely fake leashes for their jungler. The lane you had was quite interesting - Leona + Cait vs Alistar + Jinx. Both sides had a long range adc with cc abilities, and both supports are tanky engagers. Generally speaking, unless there is a gank coming in there is very little need to fight before level 6. I know why you engaged at level 4 because you knew Eve was top side, but there was really no need. Instead, use Caitlyn's wave clear potential to get a free push into the wave and start chipping down on the turret. Fortunately for you the enemy bot lane overstayed after killing you and you were able to get a revenge kill on Alistar. The gank mid at 7:20 was a good idea but poorly executed. Nothing else to it really but Yasuo should have died there. The follow-up gank bot by Zed should never have worked. Alistar could have just walked away after saving Jinx but he got greedy for the kill. The Eve gank at 9 minutes was predictable. Often if a lane gets ganked their immediate reaction is to ask for a revenge gank, especially with the sheer amount of cc and kill potential their bot lane has. Also once the Eve gank started you had a couple of options. Eve was targetting Cait so you could have just left her and escaped yourself. Alternatively you could have engaged onto Alistar to stop him from getting to Cait. This meant you probably would have died but Cait would have lived. As it was, you both died when you didn't need to. 13:43 Jinx is at half health and you engage with your ult. Alistar stops you by knocking you back. At this point Alistar and Jinx are separated, leaving you free to kill Alistar. Instead you try to reingage onto Jinx which causes you to lose the fight and die. Fortunately for you Kayn arrived to clean up the mess otherwise you would have lost your turret. At 17:00 I'm looking at the map and it appears that the enemy team are focusing on the top half of the map. Teemo is hard pushing top and Alistar and Yasuo are pushing mid, plus there is herald on the table for them to easily take. With that in mind I would place all my wards around the top side jungle. I would also save my sweeper for the inevitable teemo shrooms in the top side jungle. I'm not gunna lie I had a chuckle when Jinx literally stood in front of you and started channelling the herald buff at 20:35. Did she really expect you to just let her summon it like that? 21:26 you got an ace on the enemy team. At this point I personally would go for baron there but I guess 2 mid turrets and a dragon is fine too. 23:40 there is absolutely no point you farming minions alone in mid. If Eve was around you would have died for nothing. Either stick with Cait or make sure you have vision for the next objective. Personally I would be calling for the top turret and baron as the next objectives. Pink ward on baron and a couple of wards around the enemy blue would have been really good here. At this point in the game it all comes down to positioning. Both Kayn and Eve have the potential to instantly kill anyone on the opposing team, so good vision is needed. 27:20 you have just taken dragon and zed is pushing top lane. It's 4v5 so there is no point in fighting. Ping your team to back off and leave Garen to die. After that the game spiraled out of control and you lost. When it comes to objectives and getting teams to follow your calls, I find teams more willing to listen when you have good vision control. A pink ward on baron, vision of all the entrances to the area, etc. Ping it clearly and teams might be more willing to follow. It doesn't always work but it's more likely to when you have good vision. I hope this helps.
: There should be a system in place to detect players that put teams at disadvantage
Are you sure the Janna was assigned as support? Because looking at their op.gg it looks like she was assigned to top lane and Trynd was assigned as support. They appear to be an adc main who plays ad janna quite a lot.
fraidei (EUW)
: Enemy don't want to end wasting my time
I literally had this exact same scenario and it ended with me getting a 14 day suspension. I queried it with Riot support but they said there is never any excuse for going afk or quitting a match. This is why automated punishment systems are awful because context is important.
: About roam metha
I support the whole team, not just the adc.
CJXander (EUNE)
: People just have too much time on their hands!
It's not so much that people play too many games, it's that they continue to play even after getting tilted and angry. Seriously, if you are tilted or angry from a previous match, DO NOT QUEUE UP AGAIN. Take a break, go for a walk, burn off some steam, I don't care, but queuing up when you are angry isn't going to do any good for either you or your teammates.
: An article about every role in part , summed togheter in a whole article , would increase the gameplay and skill performance overall , because people not understand at all , and not even search videos , or riot articles to read... , they just waiting for riot to teach them the game ,as the tutorial is pretty rubish and just learns you how to move , attack , stay away of towers damage etc.. , rubish tutorial =rubish players , my thoughts is that the people have no ideea and no acces to information where they can read about roles and what they have to do ... client tab menu "Informations" ,with informations about every role in part could at least removes from confusion ,and could at least remove from troll/grief... client tab menu "Informations" describing actions which are considered grief/troll and punished 14 days would be also cool to be added into client + informations about toxicity and how to avoid it , is something necesary as long as toxicity can highly impact games. client tab menu "Informations" where you can find articles about performing better in your roles ,such as tips and stuffs which improve your gameplay significantly , i am tired of having poor quality games...
> [{quoted}](name=Vlad To Kill You,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=EuuRAL6w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-12T00:40:06.628+0000) > > An article about every role in part , summed togheter in a whole article , would increase the gameplay and skill performance overall , because people not understand at all , and not even search videos , or riot articles to read... , they just waiting for riot to teach them the game ,as the tutorial is pretty rubish and just learns you how to move , attack , stay away of towers damage etc.. , rubish tutorial =rubish players , my thoughts is that the people have no ideea and no acces to information where they can read about roles and what they have to do ... > > client tab menu "Informations" ,with informations about every role in part could at least removes from confusion ,and could at least remove from troll/grief... > > client tab menu "Informations" describing actions which are considered grief/troll and punished 14 days would be also cool to be added into client + informations about toxicity and how to avoid it , is something necesary as long as toxicity can highly impact games. > > client tab menu "Informations" where you can find articles about performing better in your roles ,such as tips and stuffs which improve your gameplay significantly , i am tired of having poor quality games... Overloading new players with information isn't conducive to effective learning (in other words, what you're suggesting won't help).
: Junglers and their issues
Since when is it Riot's job to teach players how to play to the standards of the community? Here's the thing about players and tutorials. A lot of players are very arrogant. They either think they don't need to be told how to play or just want to figure it out for themselves. You can't force them to watch/read tutorials just because you think they aren't playing "correctly". If players want to learn and improve there is already a wealth of fantastic information available on youtube, on streams and on other websites. Adding more tutorials from Riot won't make any difference.
: Most likely that's it, but the game has a stacking fail situation where the more you die the worse it is
> [{quoted}](name=TwinGodesses,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=WUW82v1A,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-11T16:57:24.960+0000) > > Most likely that's it, but the game has a stacking fail situation where the more you die the worse it is Yes, champions can snowball out of control very quickly. That is the nature of the game.
isdan (EUW)
: my friend is a bad adc
The way I see it you have 3 options: 1. Keep things as they are and keep getting annoyed and tilted by your friend's bad attitude 2. Change to a different role and let someone else try to support your friend 3. Stop playing with that friend entirely
: I define a decent teammate as someone who doesn't die once in lane and then say "FF this is over", or someone who actually listens to calls instead of splitpushing all game despite being an adc and going alone in lane knowing they will die because they are tilted.
> [{quoted}](name=DementedBrit,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=knpqQbxo,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-09-12T04:00:57.708+0000) > > I define a decent teammate as someone who doesn't die once in lane and then say "FF this is over", or someone who actually listens to calls instead of splitpushing all game despite being an adc and going alone in lane knowing they will die because they are tilted. That's called being a bad player, and time of day won't affect that at all. During the day time you might get more mature players but not necessary better players.
: >I'm not saying trolls and inters don't exist, just that they aren't in every single match. that's not what your post says tho > [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MpcEiWQY,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-11T04:15:07.547+0000) > >Do the trolls really exist or do people just want them to exist to use them as a scapegoat for their own failings? https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/why-you-lying.jpg?quality=90&strip=all
> [{quoted}](name=Sinful Succubus,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MpcEiWQY,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2019-09-11T11:28:32.313+0000) > > that's not what your post says tho > > https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/why-you-lying.jpg?quality=90&strip=all Taking a single sentence out of context isn't a good basis for an argument. It just makes you look petty and ridiculous.
: they should remove the in game chat problem solved, that in game chat loses more games than winning them, soft inters exists because they don't get banned, if they remove in game chat almost every ban is going to be a ban for feeding or soft inting then you will see trollers stop.
> [{quoted}](name= I Yasuragi l,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=XVK90YuN,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-09-11T11:07:38.468+0000) > > they should remove the in game chat problem solved, that in game chat loses more games than winning them, soft inters exists because they don't get banned, if they remove in game chat almost every ban is going to be a ban for feeding or soft inting then you will see trollers stop. The problem is that the chat is just an outlet for the rage, not the cause of it. Taking the chat away won't solve the problem that people's attitudes suck. Also if you take away the chat, those flaming players will resort to trolling and inting to express their hated instead.
: > [{quoted}](name=Wandering Mist,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MpcEiWQY,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-11T04:15:07.547+0000) > Now don't get me wrong, I've seen evidence that there are trolls out there, Seems you answered your own question already.
> [{quoted}](name=Sunney Drake,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=MpcEiWQY,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-09-11T09:09:48.684+0000) > > Seems you answered your own question already. No. A lot of people on here seem to believe they have trolls in all their matches. While I do get trolls in my matches they are very rare, and often they only start trolling as a response to being flamed.
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