Rioter Comments
MMD (EUW)
: idk
I think it means you were the best performing player on the losing team. Just a guess though.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: Does anyone use seperate runepages?
Since I only play 2-3 champions at a time it's easier for me to have separate runepages for each, and then tweak them on a match by match basis.
aniakhaki (EUNE)
: I see that you understand what he did. But i do have a question: Why would you further que as support? I mean he played support last game as you said so he was going to get guaranteed whatever lane he picks. And I have another point. Have you ever seen a match won by a support gone rogue apc?(I have never). So in my opinion he basically made that 50% chance to win into 0% chance to win. And if that does not deserve ban I don't know what does
> [{quoted}](name=aniakhaki,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=2fArhP46,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2019-01-16T07:39:28.623+0000) > > I see that you understand what he did. But i do have a question: Why would you further que as support? > I mean he played support last game as you said so he was going to get guaranteed whatever lane he picks. > And I have another point. Have you ever seen a match won by a support gone rogue apc?(I have never). So in my opinion he basically made that 50% chance to win into 0% chance to win. And if that does not deserve ban I don't know what does He's a support main so chances are he never plays any other lane. Just because he can play Xerath as support doesn't mean he can play it as a mid laner. I agree that he shouldn't have queued up again in such a poor emotional state, but we've all done it at one time or another. Here's the problem: You are wanting to ban someone for essentially being tilted. Now can you honestly say that you have never been tilted during a match and made stupid mistakes in a fit of anger and rage? By your logic you should be banned for that. And of course at the same time we need to ban around 95% of the playerbase. Where do we draw the line between someone who is tilted into making bad judgements and someone who is legitimately trolling? Are you qualified to make that judgement based on a single game?
Ròkkles (EUW)
: Getting a 14 day bann for calling trolls and toxic people idiots and dumbasses.
Which "trolls" are you referring to here? Care to give an example?
: How not to get frustrated?
I know it's not what you want to hear but statistically speaking there is a higher chance of trolls on the enemy team than there are in your team. If we assume that you aren't a troll yourself, then there are 5 potential trolls on the enemy team but only 4 potential trolls on your team. Anywhoooo.......The way I prevent getting frustrated is by muting everyone the moment I get into a match, every match. As soon as the match starts I type "all muted so I can focus" and then mute everyone. This makes it clear to my teammates that I can't read anything they say and I don't have to read any of the nonsense they type. I have no patience for it and I know that anyone below Diamond isn't going to say anything useful that can't be explained by pings. That way I avoid getting into pointless arguments and flame-fests and can focus on my own gameplay. No distractions means better gameplay.
Ahyum (EUW)
: Best adc !!!!
You play normal blind pick matches and you're surprised that you aren't playing with people of your own standard? Are you for real?
aniakhaki (EUNE)
: Is riot taking trolls seriously?
You know, I see a lot of these threads and a lot of the "trolling" mentioned is either false or hugely exagerated. But that Xerath you had in your match....oh my god it made me sad to watch it. For a plat 3 support main to act out like that is unacceptable. The thing is, I can kinda see why he did it. If you check that guys match history you'll see in his game just before that he was playing Xerath support and went 0/3/1. I took a quick look at it just to see how he played there. In that match he played like a proper support, letting his adc farm and poking out the enemy bot lane with his spells as much as possible without pushing the wave. Unfortunately in that match he was laning with an overly aggressive Draven who traded at completely the wrong times, resulting in them losing the lane. I got tilted just by watching it let alone playing it out, so I can understand how Xerath would have felt. After a match like that it's not surprising that he would attempt to carry the next game solo, not trusting his adc to do it and therefore taking all the farm and exp he could. I've felt exactly the same after a bad game and it's very tempting to do what he did. Does that excuse him trolling you in your match? Absolutely not, but at the same time I can understand what happened and the thought process involved, and in my opinion it doesn't deserve a ban.
Playerh8a (EUW)
: Garen - Newbie Questions
I don't play Garen but this video might help you with some things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDE__AAlBp8
: Opinions on Off Meta (Example: Ezreal Top)
Here's what I think. If nobody ever experimented with new picks in new roles then the meta and the game would become very stagnant and boring. And before anyone says something like "oh leave that to the pro players who know what they are doing." I would like to point out that a lot of strategies that became meta were originally thought up by low ranked players. It was a silver player who thought up the Blue Ezreal Build that brought him back into the meta. It was a low ranked player who first started playing Malzahar support. The pro players copied these and brought them into pro play and made them meta, but they started with someone in low ELO experimenting.
DELDE115 (EUW)
: My opinion goes as follows. - If it makes sense, I dont care. - If it doesn´t make sense, then Im not a fan. By "makes sense" I mostly mean if the champion´s kit fits the role.
> [{quoted}](name=DELDE115,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uyqOeMqj,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-15T17:40:06.983+0000) > > My opinion goes as follows. > > - If it makes sense, I dont care. > - If it doesn´t make sense, then Im not a fan. > > By "makes sense" I mostly mean if the champion´s kit fits the role. Ezreal's kit definitely doesn't fit the traditional role of a jungler, but it worked perfectly well.
Cavalier707 (EUNE)
: You can almost play anything top lane. The lane has the most versatility in the game. Off meta pick are fine as long as the are reasonable. You can Play Amumu support because he has tons of CC, but you can't play a champion with no poke or utility like Yi support because that's trolling, not off meta.
> [{quoted}](name=Cavalier707,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=uyqOeMqj,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-15T18:03:56.483+0000) > > You can almost play anything top lane. The lane has the most versatility in the game. Off meta pick are fine as long as the are reasonable. > > You can Play Amumu support because he has tons of CC, but you can't play a champion with no poke or utility like Yi support because that's trolling, not off meta. The role of the support is to provide pressure in the lane and allow your lane partner to freely farm. If you can manage that with Master Yi then why not use him as a support?
M3GTRDragon (EUNE)
: teemo can be picked...but most people dont know how to use him xd the ward master xd
> [{quoted}](name=M3GTRDragon,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zEsZB6o8,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-01-15T10:17:02.473+0000) > > teemo can be picked...but most people dont know how to use him xd > the ward master xd Indeed. Teemo support is actually very strong. Poison ticks do quite a bit of damage and Blinding is insanely powerful in all-ins against auto attack reliant champions. Plus in the mid-late game Teemo shrooms are essentially free wards for your team. The problem is that a lot of people who pick Teemo support are obsessed with staying in the bushes, which doesn't achieve anything. All you have to do to counter it is stay on the river-side of the lane and you can ignore the Teemo completely, effectively turning the lane into a 2v1. In fact, this is a trend I see from a lot of low ELO supports I face. They are obsessed with having bush control and will just sit afk in the bushes instead of playing with their adc.
Maın (EUW)
: 78 kills on your most killed, thats so low, what random teams are you facing all the time xD i only see the same champs
> [{quoted}](name=Maın,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=PompKEVy,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2019-01-15T09:15:01.535+0000) > > 78 kills on your most killed, thats so low, what random teams are you facing all the time xD i only see the same champs Well, as a support main it's not too surprising.
: This. Not sure if freezing is a good idea. You want to put pressure. Freezing offers nothing to the (your)team. Objectives come to a cost: tempo. Some objectives should be neglected as a laner. You want that objective? Put pressure somewhere else and let the jungle take it for free. Low elo is a blast.
> [{quoted}](name=Lilandblue,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zEsZB6o8,comment-id=00070001,timestamp=2019-01-14T15:09:05.476+0000) > > This. > Not sure if freezing is a good idea. You want to put pressure. Freezing offers nothing to the (your)team. > > Objectives come to a cost: tempo. Some objectives should be neglected as a laner. You want that objective? Put pressure somewhere else and let the jungle take it for free. > > Low elo is a blast. When done well freezing does apply pressure as it forces your lane opponent to do one of three things: 1. Stay safe and be denied Farm. 2. Overextend and use their abilities to break the freeze, leaving them vulnerable to ganks. 3. Call their jungle to help break the freeze, relieving pressure from the other lanes.
xNeekø (EUNE)
: I feel like it could block a whole combo,I just feel like that but yeah,ya never know! It would be pretty exciting tbh.
> [{quoted}](name=xNeekø,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=BZy3cB5V,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-15T04:12:48.906+0000) > > I feel like it could block a whole combo,I just feel like that but yeah,ya never know! > It would be pretty exciting tbh. Well they could always change it so that the clone only has 5 health, meaning it will die to literally anything in a single hit.
xNeekø (EUNE)
: I've got to agree on that but maybe that would be too broken? I don't know how it would work if the clone could block everything that fast as well
> [{quoted}](name=xNeekø,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=BZy3cB5V,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-15T04:00:20.334+0000) > > I've got to agree on that but maybe that would be too broken? > I don't know how it would work if the clone could block everything that fast as well As it is the clone can only block 1 spell before it's destroyed, so I don't think it would be too broken.
TB Sadik (EUW)
: Nasus needs to be fixed
I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit salty about Nasus right now as I just lost a match where the enemy Nasus single-handedly destroyed our base while my team was taking Baron. Inhib died in 3 hits. Nexus Turrets died in 3 hits and the Nexus itself was destroyed in 5 hits.
Khaliffah (EUW)
: GOT TIRED OF THIS NONSENCE
so typing "/mute all" is too much effort for you? Wow, that's just sad.
xNeekø (EUNE)
: Let's talk about Neeko.
I think Neeko is fine as she is. The only thing I would like to see is for her clone to become hittable as soon as it appears. Right now when the clone is in stealth all skillshots pass through it, which makes it very hard to use it effectively to block anything.
Ramzez (EUW)
: I feel you XD New player myself and it's so hard, but I like the challenge of it. But i've been wondering too if maybe there is a sort of course you can do online where you can learn about all these aspects. That would be so nice! The way you talk tho is almost if you dont enjoy the game. Maybe try to be more patient and give it more time? Accept the fact you can't learn it overnight. =)
> [{quoted}](name=Ramzez,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=BUisW5Jm,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-14T20:36:56.932+0000) > > I feel you XD New player myself and it's so hard, but I like the challenge of it. But i've been wondering too if maybe there is a sort of course you can do online where you can learn about all these aspects. That would be so nice! > There is: https://www.skill-capped.com/lol/courses
: sorry to say, and i don't mean to offend you but this is bullshit. first off, hooks ARE low risk high reward if you eat a brand W in the face it's one thing, if you hit a blitz hook in the face you're dead. "If you constantly position yourself in a manner that makes it easy for you to be hooked, then the fault isn't with the champion design." we can't possibily avoid any skillshot directed toward us at all time, and being hit by one should not mean certain death
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=wwEvUK6M,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2019-01-14T15:00:47.409+0000) > > sorry to say, and i don't mean to offend you but this is bullshit. > > first off, hooks ARE low risk high reward > > if you eat a brand W in the face it's one thing, if you hit a blitz hook in the face you're dead. > > "If you constantly position yourself in a manner that makes it easy for you to be hooked, then the fault isn't with the champion design." > > we can't possibily avoid any skillshot directed toward us at all time, and being hit by one should not mean certain death That's because players in Silver don't know how to punish Thresh or Blitz for missing their hooks. Without their hooks they are pretty useless in a fight and in high ELO missing a hook or not winning a trade from a hook means a loss in pressure, depending of course on who you are against. On a side note I love picking Neeko into Thresh because I can block every single Thresh hook with my W clone. The wind-up on the Thresh hook gives me just enough time to get my clone out in time. This doesn't work too well against Blitz as his hook is a lot faster, but it works really well against Thresh. Secret counters are awesome! :D
: Did any one else get Yasuo as both their most killed and most killed by?
Surprisingly no. I got killed most by Jhin (125 deaths) and killed Thresh the most (78 kills).
: Please RIOT make Kayn good again.
I personally think Kayn is fine, and I definitely don't want to go back to the time of Red Kayn 1-shotting everyone whilst being unkillable.
Sicc0 (EUW)
: Two proposed changes to the game
I think the runes and keystones add a lot of good to the game, including making a lot of champions viable that would otherwise be useless. You are right though that power creep is a problem, and I don't think nerfing items is going to do it. Base damages are insanely high thanks to keystones. One of the reasons why I like Neeko support is because at level 3 I can take half someone's health with my basic E-Q-AA combo. That's with no items against someone the same level as me. It's insane. I can do the same thing with Bard's Q-AA combo at level 2 thanks to electrocute. It gets to the point where a single bad trade can lose you the lane, which is a little unfair.
: Maining or playing meta?
If you look at most Challenger ranked players (especially in Korea), you'll see that they will typically only play 2-3 champions at a time, and will constantly change depending on who is currently strong in the meta. Then as soon as a new patch comes in and the power balance changes, they immediately switch to the new stronger champions.
ζζζ (EUW)
: and yeah, try to carry as aatrox 1v9 and not play sona and neeko all %%%%ing game. Your a support, your a %%%%%. And you're probably a girl too. You response is useless, lol.
> [{quoted}](name=ζζζ,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=W3ZAAO6x,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-01-14T12:30:08.113+0000) > > and yeah, try to carry as aatrox 1v9 and not play sona and neeko all %%%%ing game. Your a support, your a %%%%%. And you're probably a girl too. You response is useless, lol. Touched a nerve I think there. It's hard to hear how bad you are. Still, if you insist on always blaming your teammates for your own mistakes, you will never get out of Bronze.
: thresh only streamers are rare but if you follow any lcs support player you will find thresh games of them
> [{quoted}](name=IamgayforXayah,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=deOViodZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-14T12:04:34.699+0000) > > thresh only streamers are rare but if you follow any lcs support player you will find thresh games of them Agreed. Thresh is such a versatile champion that all the pro support players use him. He's nearly always a viable pick so there's plenty of footage of gameplay.
: This makes sense, but what if the ADC does not know what he's doing in Bot Lane. Ive had that a lot recently... and I don't know. I can't use my champion to her fullest then can I? For example, Nami's W can bounce to enemies, but most of the time the adc disengages from a fight where all abilities have been exhausted.... and I don't know. Its been extremely depressing lately. Dropped 2 divisions as well... I don't know what to do with my life anymore.
> [{quoted}](name=PandyToast,realm=EUW,application-id=00edEA0o,discussion-id=yROj9wAM,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-14T15:55:28.992+0000) > > This makes sense, but what if the ADC does not know what he's doing in Bot Lane. Ive had that a lot recently... and I don't know. I can't use my champion to her fullest then can I? For example, Nami's W can bounce to enemies, but most of the time the adc disengages from a fight where all abilities have been exhausted.... and I don't know. Its been extremely depressing lately. Dropped 2 divisions as well... I don't know what to do with my life anymore. Most adcs below high Plat or even Diamond don't know what they are doing. When I'm laning with a very passive adc I generally just sit back and wait for the opponent to make a mistake. Also don't be afraid of using your pings. Ping like crazy to either get your adc to back off or push up with you, but be aware of your positioning at all time.
Cavalier707 (EUNE)
: I played in all ranks frim Bronze 5 into Gold 4. I can approve the ADC players skill scales the worst with rank. The difference between a Bronze and a Gold ADC is much smaller than with any other roles. ADC in Gold still can't farm, control the wave, they fight 1v2 when you roam, they cry if anyone else got a kill they participated in and they can't dodge skill shots. My advice is that you need to play a poke-heavy support (Lulu, Karma, Sroraka) or a mage and abuse the enemy ADC, because the support player is much more likely to dodge skill shots.
> [{quoted}](name=Cavalier707,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zEsZB6o8,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-14T09:12:15.469+0000) > > I played in all ranks frim Bronze 5 into Gold 4. I can approve the ADC players skill scales the worst with rank. The difference between a Bronze and a Gold ADC is much smaller than with any other roles. > > ADC in Gold still can't farm, control the wave, they fight 1v2 when you roam, they cry if anyone else got a kill they participated in and they can't dodge skill shots. > > My advice is that you need to play a poke-heavy support (Lulu, Karma, Sroraka) or a mage and abuse the enemy ADC, because the support player is much more likely to dodge skill shots. Agreed. It's only once you get to Diamond that you see adcs who are any good. I quite often play normals and get matched with and against Diamond bot laners. Having a Diamond adc as my lane partner is a breath of fresh air compared to the people I play with in ranked matches. I don't need to ping them to all-in at level 2. I don't need to tell them to push or to recall, they just do it.
JesRect (EUW)
: Can Riot please help players understand this complicated game?????
A lot of the complexity of this game wasn't really intended by Riot. For example, being able to buffer dashing abilities using flash to increase their range was never an intended feature, despite being in the game since season 1. Players just naturally discovered it and started using it so Riot just left it in rather than removing it. Things like wave management, positioning, lots of mechanics. These are things that the players have found out on their own. So really, if you want to blame anyone for the complexity of the game, blame the players, not Riot.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: You missed one thing. That you can't roam mid without your adc starting to cry about you leaving them alone, even though the enemy botlane just backed.
> [{quoted}](name=Silent Note,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=zEsZB6o8,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-01-14T08:10:47.004+0000) > > You missed one thing. That you can't roam mid without your adc starting to cry about you leaving them alone, even though the enemy botlane just backed. Well, I have everyone perma muted in game so I don't see those complaints. What I do see is when we get kills in the lane, push into the turret and then I go roam or recall and my adc stays in lane on low health, gets caught and dies. Then the spam pinging begins.....
Rioter Comments
ζζζ (EUW)
: Problem in my games
Ah I love the replay function we have in LoL, it tells us so much. Time for a little transparency here. I'm currently watching your recent match where you lost going 22/8/9. You complain about feeding teammates and yet you are 0/2/1 just 2 minutes into the match. Your 1 assist at this point was only possible because Ashe burned both her summoners securing the kill after you overextended, which meant she had nothing to defend herself against Pyke in her own lane. Skip forward to 16:42. Your team just took dragon and there's a fight in mid. It starts off well with you chunking out Pyke, but then for some unknown reason you back out completely when Pyke jumps back in to ult Udyr. Yes you haven't got your ult but you are full health and fed to hell. What exactly are you afraid of here? Then Pyke jumps onto Heimer and you are still too far away to do anything. That Pyke should have died twice during that fight but instead he lives. Anyway, you get a trade kill onto Kaisa but then you get greedy, running into Kindred and Pyke when you are at half health and die. Who's fault is that I wonder? Your teammates? You could have backed off after the kill on Kaisa but instead you gave a huge shutdown bonus to Pyke. I'd also like to point out here that that was a 4v3 fight that you started and lost. As a result you lost a total of 3 turrets. Your next death at 19:17 was completely unnecessary. You were absolutely fine split pushing top lane and then went into the enemy jungle without any vision looking for kills. Why? The rest of your team were pushing bot lane. All you had to do was wait to see what the enemy team did. You are strong enough to 1v1 anyone on the enemy team, so they have to send 2-3 people to kill you (which they did). If you had stayed safe when they sent people to kill you, your team would have easily taken the turret bot lane and then kept pushing. As it was, because you died your team could no longer push since there was no pressure on the other side of the map. If you hadn't died there you might very well have gotten multiple turrets and even the top inhib if you played it right. Skip forward again to 20:58. You just killed Annie completely free and had Jayce pushing top and Heimer pushing bot. You are 3 in mid against 4. I'm not sure why you are grouping even you should be splitpushing, but whatever. Your job right now is to NOT get caught out, because eventually Heimer and Jayce will push into the enemy base. But what happens? You get caught out by Darius Flash E. Still, this was a very desperate play by Darius and should never have worked. The fight starts off well with you chunking out Kaisa and her flashing away. At this point Kaisa is completely out of the fight. She is at half health and has no summoner spells. If she tries to walk up again she will die. Their carries are zoned out the fight which would leave you in a 2v2 against Darius and Pyke. But instead you flash to try to get the kill on Kindred, who flashes away and now you are overextended. At this point you should have just run and in fact you did...sort of. You moved away into the enemy jungle and could have escaped. But again that greed. You could have walked away but instead you jumped back in, got baited by the Kindred ult and died for nothing. At this point the enemy team could easily have taken Baron, but instead they go for the mid inhib, Darius stays too long and dies. Moving on. Shortly after that you get a good catch onto Kaisa, kill her and then ace the rest of the team, getting the mid inhib. As the mid inhib falls I'm looking at the death timers on the enemy team. Kaisa is alive already, and Annie and Pyke are 13 seconds from being revived. This was the time to recall because then you could be in position to stop the enemy team from taking Baron. But what do you do? YOU (nobody else, just you!) pings for the nexus turrets. You say your team doesn't listen to you and yet you pinged for the turrets and your team followed. The result? You all died and the enemy team took Baron. Nearly there. Shortly after that you enter the enemy jungle (for some unknown reason) with no vision of the enemy team. If I were playing I would have wards on that entire section of the map because the top inhib is the most obvious target for you to try to take. Fortunately for you nobody was waiting for you there otherwise you probably would have died. The next fight was hard because Jayce was frontlining (not sure why) and gets caught out. You survive and are in position to run top lane and take the inhib. Kindred chases you but she isn't a threat to you at all, and you could have traded inhibs, giving you an advantage to work with. There was no way the enemy team could have ended before your team respawned. You get a good catch onto Annie and kill her, again making it a 4v5. But again you have an open inhib top lane but instead YOU (yes you!) ping for the nexus turrets. You have no minions at this point so trying to take down those turrets is pointless. Get the free inhib and then back off to take dragon. Then after that you decide to jump in 1v3 to try to kill Annie and die for free. Heimer tries to help you and dies as well. One more lost fight later and you lose the match. My conclusion? Yes you won your lane and got an early lead, but then you threw it away with stupid mistakes and bad calls. Your team did follow you, they did listen to you, and you failed them. You are as much to blame for that loss as they are. Getting fed against an Annie who clearly hasn't laned against an Aatrox before is easy. Carrying to game after you get fed is hard. You could have carried. You were strong enough to do it, but you failed.
Holymanster (EUNE)
: Is this game still for gamers and having fun or ...
If you think you can do a better job balancing the game then go right ahead. If you think all the bugs have easy fixes then do it yourself. I'm sure Riot would pay you all the money they get from skin sales if you did that..... Oh wait, you have absolutely no idea how to do any of that and are just mindlessly raging, and yet have to gall to call others children.
: > [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T22:01:57.100+0000) > > I'm really not. His argument is the classic "Assassins can't beat mages in any circumstance". I even admit I don't play perfectly in point 1, which is obvious since I am gold not challenger. But I will check out the video. Hope the video helps. Dopa is a legend and watching his wave control is a thing of beauty.
> [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T22:16:59.671+0000) > > It helps vs a relatively immobile in lane assassin as ~~TF~~ Talon with a jungler. I would love to see the same thing with a Zed or Fizz who can be on you from further away. And without jungle pressure, because hey, who gets that in Gold? Well, there are plenty of other videos on that channel to watch. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHJMVmWYZnI Veiger vs Irelia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqP3DrOzmc Orianna vs Akali Or here is the exact match up you had, if you want without the analysis commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB5_6capp0M Notice that in this match up Ziggs is constantly throwing out his Q to harass Zed, while killing minions with auto attacks to avoid pushing too much. Even if the Qs don't hit they force Zed to keep moving so he can't last hit well, resulting in an early cs lead.
: I'm really not. His argument is the classic "Assassins can't beat mages in any circumstance". I even admit I don't play perfectly in point 1, which is obvious since I am gold not challenger. But I will check out the video.
> [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T22:01:57.100+0000) > > I'm really not. His argument is the classic "Assassins can't beat mages in any circumstance". I even admit I don't play perfectly in point 1, which is obvious since I am gold not challenger. But I will check out the video. Hope the video helps. Dopa is a legend and watching his wave control is a thing of beauty.
: 1) as Ziggs my main CC and disengage is the same thing. And no, I cannot throw it perfectly yet. 2) So die to his no-ult all in? Sure 3) Hardly. Maybe 1 if I am lucky.
> [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:08:13.554+0000) > > 1) as Ziggs my main CC and disengage is the same thing. And no, I cannot throw it perfectly yet. > 2) So die to his no-ult all in? Sure > 3) Hardly. Maybe 1 if I am lucky. I feel like you are just making excuses at this point, so here, watch this video and it should give you an idea of how to play safely whilst still making an impact on the lane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NE5EcbpOpg Granted it's a different match up of TF vs Talon but the principle is the same. TF needs to control the lane to stop Talon from roaming to the side lanes whilst also staying safe from ganks.
: Was Zed nerfed recently? Only times I ever survived his ult with barrier was when I was straight under tower and he presses his R out faster than his combo. So what do I do? he misses combo, fine. do I go on him, poke him for 25% with a full rotation, because I have no AP, and lose trade to minion aggro and his no CD Q, or do I unload on the wave pushing it in in 1,5 to 2 rotations, have no mana and get ganked/ all-inned by Zed when it is finally oushed in and he has W up again? These are the situations. And yes, when you are half health under turret and your midlaner pings the assassin midlane is coming for you, you back the %%%% off to you t2 turret and base. Why die?
> [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-01-13T15:43:12.963+0000) > > Was Zed nerfed recently? Only times I ever survived his ult with barrier was when I was straight under tower and he presses his R out faster than his combo. > > So what do I do? he misses combo, fine. do I go on him, poke him for 25% with a full rotation, because I have no AP, and lose trade to minion aggro and his no CD Q, or do I unload on the wave pushing it in in 1,5 to 2 rotations, have no mana and get ganked/ all-inned by Zed when it is finally oushed in and he has W up again? These are the situations. > > And yes, when you are half health under turret and your midlaner pings the assassin midlane is coming for you, you back the %%%% off to you t2 turret and base. Why die? It's all about sending a message early on. If you Q him pre-6 every time he wastes his abilities or tries to cs, he will eventually be too scared to try walking up, even if he would win the all-in. I had a game very similar to this just now playing Sona vs Thresh. This is a very dangerous lane because one hook on me and I would die. But every time Thresh threw his hook and missed I immediately walked up and hit his adc. This happened 3 times after which he never threw another hook at me. He just sat back and gave us full control over the waves.
GoToSΙeep (EUNE)
: When to pick thats champions?
Each jungler has their own strengths. Master Yi is great if you have strong lanes who can take care of themselves while you farm up to late game. Lee Sin is great if you need to apply early gank pressure. Xin Zhao, Jax and Kindred are all strong duelling champions and should be taken if you plan on fighting the enemy jungler a lot and shutting them down. Xin Zhao and Kindred can also pull off strong early ganks but require laners with some kind of hard CC to set them up.
: how? When he is level 6 I use all my CD and half my mana pool to push the wave.
> [{quoted}](name=FluffyPidgeon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hdZ3BA2z,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T15:08:40.880+0000) > > how? When he is level 6 I use all my CD and half my mana pool to push the wave. I'm just watching one of your recent matches, a loss against a Zed and it confirms my suspicions. You aren't punishing the Zed when he's in lane. There are multiple times during the laning phase where Zed misses his basic combo on you and you don't punish him for it. Instead you back off and let him push you in, even though his W is on cooldown. Step up and hit him if he wastes his abilities, and if he all-ins you with his ult, just pop barrier and back off. Yes you pinged lots of times when Zed roamed bot lane, but it doesn't matter. Did you see what happened to them? Your bot lane (vayne + Zyra) were pushed under their turret at half health and got tower dived 4v2. They played it as best they could but couldn't do anything. Are you really going to blame them for that? Just as an example, go to that match (defeat Ziggs vs Zed, you were 1/2/3 by the end of it) and skip forward to 9 minutes in. Zed uses his entire combo just to push the wave, then jumps to his shadow in front of you with no ult, Q, W or E available. He has literally nothing except auto attacks. How do you respond? You throw 2 auto attacks on him. That's it. The guy literally jumps in front of you with no abilities to use and you hit him with 2 auto attacks. All your spells available and you use just 2 auto attacks.
: What do i do when team insists on feeding enemy mid and jungle?
If an assassin is allowed to roam from mid you have already lost. If the bot lane is pushed up to the enemy turret you can ping the minimap a thousand times and have clear vision of the assassin all the way from mid, and it won't matter. They physically can't get to safety in time. I see you play a lot of Ziggs, who has fantastic pushing and harass against melee assassins. There should be no excuse for letting them roam from mid unless you get camped by the enemy jungler.
Lleajy (EUW)
: Hook/grab champion balance
Well, I ban Pyke every game, hardly see any Blitzcranks which leaves only Thresh, and even then I see more AP supports than him. *shrugs*
NotLegend (EUNE)
: Champion balance request!
Have you ever tried balancing a single champion, let alone 149 of them? It's an impossible task.
: Who should i play (fast paced)
There are very few champions that can beat Master Yi for raw movement speed aside from perhaps Hecarim. Hecarim is nice because of his passive, which links his damage to his movement speed. The faster he moves, the more damage he does. With the right items you can literally run over someone and one-shot them, which is very fun to do.
Sword Kr (EUW)
: when come chromas for skin soraka winter?
We just got one in the last christmas patch. What more do you want?
: You either already have the chest on the champ, or you used all your available chests.
> [{quoted}](name=ImainLilSatan,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=kouizHTb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-11T17:10:23.407+0000) > > You either already have the chest on the champ, or you used all your available chests. Yeah it sucks that you can only get one chest per champion. It means players like me who only play 1-2 champions never get chests. I have around 40 keys and no chests to use them on (and no, I'm not buying chests just to use the keys).
: Thank you, Doom Emissary! Your comment is super informative. It's amazing how we miss obvious things. It never occurred to me to go for Rift before first turret - I just assumed the play would be too risky. I was also hesitant to buy pinks while I had one active - but you're absolutely right - the zones of control change. I'm also selfish with my TP - I primarily use is to keep control of my lane - I'll try to look for good TP ganks more in future. Map awareness is a big factor with regards to scuttle fights, and something I'm actively working on. Again, thank you for taking the time to offer me this advice, I'll do my best to take it all on board!
> [{quoted}](name=Han Solotoplane,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=NxbuohBU,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-01-11T12:56:14.309+0000) > > Thank you, Doom Emissary! > > Your comment is super informative. It's amazing how we miss obvious things. It never occurred to me to go for Rift before first turret - I just assumed the play would be too risky. > > I was also hesitant to buy pinks while I had one active - but you're absolutely right - the zones of control change. > > I'm also selfish with my TP - I primarily use is to keep control of my lane - I'll try to look for good TP ganks more in future. > > Map awareness is a big factor with regards to scuttle fights, and something I'm actively working on. > > Again, thank you for taking the time to offer me this advice, I'll do my best to take it all on board! Teleport is one of the hardest summoner spells to use well, especially now since you can't cancel it. Once you hit that button you are committed to the play and this can easily backfire on you. Also there is nothing wrong with using your TP just to get back to lane every single time. I remember some time ago there was a video about a pantheon player who hit Challenger on NA on 3 separate accounts who used his ult just to get back to lane faster, because he knew the value of getting ahead in farm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xfOruzzTIU here's the video if you are interested. EDIT: On the same channel is a video about a Masters Garen player which you might find interesting to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDE__AAlBp8
: Constructive Criticism Please
When facing Trynd you need to be able to control the waves. If he is allowed to stand in the minion wave and build up fury he will out-trade you with crits. In both your recent losses against Trynd as Garen you let him get to the lane first, meaning he had built up his fury by the time you got there. Get there first and then every time he goes to attack a minion, Q him and then run away using the speed boost from your Q. If he wants to keep trading he will have to spin into your minion wave and take a ton of damage from minions.
: The Moment You Loved LoL
I think the rush of adrenaline is why a lot of people (myself included) keep playing. Those rare moments when you outplay your opponents, perfectly predicting what they will do and countering them to kill them in a close fight. That is what I strive for every game. I don't really care too much about winning, just about doing those epic plays.
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