: > [{quoted}](name=buddhaswrath,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=xVE6jTbG,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-12T18:08:11.765+0000) > > now i can't even win against silver elo because whenever i use w ability im a officially a turtle. You do know rammus IS a "turtle" right? I highly doubt any animal/person would move fast if they are using an ability/skill that would increase defence by a lot. The fact you can't win against silver elo isn't rammus his fault, its more likely you cant handle him well enough. If the slow gets removed from that skill, the winrate would at least double and there would be NO drawbacks from gaing a lot of defense.
İt had no self-slow pre-rework , was in a much better position and it is not a turtle it is an Armadillo.İ said it is a turtle only cuz it self slow itself by 30% and there was no self-slow in its kit before rework so stop writing for the things that you actually have no idea with.By the way i'm not telling to remove self-slow and let the other abilities to remain unchanged , i'm asking for a better balance with no self slow in it as the old one.
: I know you might be concerned, but as far as I've seen Rammus can oblidarate every champion in the duration of the taunt with just cinderhulk alone. He has crazy movement speed engage and damage. They had to give him some kind of draw back.
''in the duration of taunt'' as you said and its valid only for first 12 min of the game.İt has 40% winrate at top-lane.İ mean what is that for?İ was playing it as a top-lane main and kicking ass gold-plat elo at top lane , now i can't even win against silver elo because whenever i use w ability im a officially a turtle.
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DeltaDan (EUW)
: Jax is easy to play. In what universe do you need a spec of skill to play Jax?
No jax is hard to play. Easy to play champs malphite,rammus,alistar,mundo,garen .... even camille is easier to play than jax.
DeltaDan (EUW)
: Why are easy champs so much more op than the skilled champs?
{{champion:114}} gets shit on by any auto attacker wtf??? {{champion:24}} is easy to play wtf????
: > [{quoted}](name=buddhaswrath,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fznZYBzX,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-10-06T22:55:29.666+0000) > > that's not my main account , my main account is at Turkey which has (%55 winrate, was better before rework). > > İ didn't understand the potential of Rammus early and thats why i could only be able to play for 4-5 months.But during that time i played it every day regulary for 5-6 games and i reaally enjoyed to play with it. > > But the only thing good with his new kit is its jungling speed. İt cant do any damage now and it also cant survive from heavy damage now.You must expect the damage from your other team members. > > But if you cant do damage , you must be resistant which ''W'' ability prevents you to be so . > Riot has taken its damage , they also took its resistance indirectly. Rammus' new kit is just as solid as his old one, except that it's a tad more reliant on teammates more when vs heavy damage. Which is fine, Rammus was never meant to be a 1v5 tank anyway. And the resistance buff from his W has always been fine. At the moment i feel it's hard to play Rammus just using one runepage with and vs any team comp. Though it won't be long until new Runes/Masteries system comes in anyway...
> [{quoted}](name=ArchEnemyNemesis,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fznZYBzX,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-10-07T12:02:11.512+0000) > > Rammus' new kit is just as solid as his old one, except that it's a tad more reliant on teammates more when vs heavy damage. Which is fine, Rammus was never meant to be a 1v5 tank anyway. > > And the resistance buff from his W has always been fine. At the moment i feel it's hard to play Rammus just using one runepage with and vs any team comp. Though it won't be long until new Runes/Masteries system comes in anyway... Ok , its time for a little math i guess Now considering Rammus has 40 base magic resist and maxed its ''W'' ability at level 9. Old Rammus has 40 base +120 (from old ''W'' skill)=160 total magic resist without any magic resist items at level 9. New Rammus has 40 base + 20 flat + (20+40)*7/10(from new ''W'')=102 total magic resist without any magic resistance at level 9. Ok, now consider mid-game Rammus has 1 magic resist item and level 12 with base magic resist 45. Old Rammus has 45 base +55(from magic resist item)+120=220 total magic resist. New Rammus has 45 base + 20 flat + 55(from magic resist item) + (20+45+55)*7/10 =204 total magic resist. Now its time for late-game Rammus level 17 with 52 bas magic resist and has 2 magic resist items. Old Rammus has 52 base + 55x2 from items + 120 = 282 magic resist New Rammus has 52 base + 55x2 from items + 20 flat +(52+110+20)*7/10=309.4 magic resist İn conclusion there is no benefit of new Rammus ,since total damage is reduced by %50 because of thornmail rework + W self slow %30( :D) and there is a slightly difference only in late game by resistances except the whole team is ap or ad + Q can be channelled by a support.Maybe you can say that rammus has high win rate, but the truth is its winrate didnt changed compared to pre rework and its good only because at this current meta. They did the same thing to Aatrox and now they are trying to compensate it .İm wondering how much time will it take to understand them to buff this turtle.
: Looks to me like you did pretty well on Rammus though, going by your match history. Your winrate is what, above 60% on Rammus alone? I made Rammus level 6 in just over a week, 60%+ winrate, dropped to 50% this week. Thanks to trolls and generally really bad players, while at the same time trying to improve on Rammus. Just had the worst game this week though... troll jungle, troll midlane, troll botlane. Feedfeedfeed and whinewhinewhine match. Bah, just bah!
that's not my main account , my main account is at Turkey which has (%55 winrate, was better before rework). İ didn't understand the potential of Rammus early and thats why i could only be able to play for 4-5 months.But during that time i played it every day regulary for 5-6 games and i reaally enjoyed to play with it. But the only thing good with his new kit is its jungling speed. İt cant do any damage now and it also cant survive from heavy damage now.You must expect the damage from your other team members. But if you cant do damage , you must be resistant which ''W'' ability prevents you to be so . Riot has taken its damage , they also took its resistance indirectly.
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