Pankhart (EUW)
: Bad atittude better for winning??
> [{quoted}](name=Pankhart,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=yQtHYdx8,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-07-05T15:32:59.120+0000) > > Why when I tryhard my socks off, call summoners, ward everything, play safe af, communicate well with team, am supportive in chat if someone fails and crush my lane, I still lose a lot of my games. > > Then I get drunk af and decide to just yolo and not care with my mate, we troll our team in chat pretending we are 12 year old russians with bought accounts, we win 4 games in a row sitting on a couch with notebooks while watching rick and morty and playing lol as a background.... > > Overall I dont think Ive ever lost a ranked game I was "trolling" in, idk how this works. Yup, thats how it works. I had as much success with support Riven as I have with my mains. My stats are shit, but you get carried. So who cares? That what Riot wants: a game where the matchmaking makes up for the complete lack of motivation to better yourself and win by playing as a team.
: Good player but flamer or hard feeder that don't type nothing in chat??? [RANKED]
Good player 10/10 times. Because he wouldn't flame if you play correctly.
: Tribunal
Never. "Everything is awesome!" - Riot 2016
: Can't go a game without someone being verbally abusive.
Riot only cares about people flaming, but not about the most common reason people flame in some games: assholes, that behave like shit. How can it get any better, when the amount of players that troll, feed and generally con't care about teamplay in rnaked games can keep playing?
The Wukong (EUNE)
: Why do people flame? How does it effect the game? How can it be stopped?
If you do stupid things, I will give you advice (without flaming/insulting) or I will ask you to maybe try something different next time. If you continue to do stupid things or go berserk and feed/troll after constructive criticism, I will call your decision stupid. Thats why I am "toxic".
B1GLeo (EUNE)
: Improving game quality is real
No. This is perfectly acceptable behaviour in this game. Thank Riot for it.
JakiStow (EUW)
: How to climb faster by thanks to basic psychology
Good guide. However, one example is a bit off and completely negates the problem this game (and otehrs like it) have: > You wouldn't call someone a f*cking waste of life if you were losing in a game of Monopoly, right? Then why do it online? Because you can't actually see or hear the person? That's a very poor excuse. If someone in a game of Monopoly would come over and rip up the money or cards I have accumulated so my chances of winning / having fun are significantly decreased, you can bet you ass that most people won't take that sitting down. It is not about losing (at least not for me), but for players purposefully acting against any team interest even if asked (sometiems even begged) to join in with the other 4. This is what Riot also gets backwards: people would never ever show the attitude in any group / team actitivity that some show in LoL. Mainly the "my fun is more important than our experience as a team, fuck you!"-attitude that quite a lot of players have. You know what would happen to a person on a sports team, that is competing against others (= ranked play) and jepoardizes the teams success because of their own agenda? They'll get booted from the team and they will probably get some criticism, too (and depending on whom they play with, it won't be very constructive either all the time). In LoL, you can pull this shit and have to fear absolutely nothing. So apples and oranges here. And as long as Riot does not really get that, as they themselves habve repeatedly said, the 5% truly toxicplayers cause all otehr toxicity with their actions and behaviour, nothing will ever change. They punish the reactions to toxic behaviour. But don't punish the toxic instigator most of the time.
GLurch (EUW)
: At the end of the chat log i could clearly see toxic responses.If karma was flaming,mute her and report her after the game.I wonder if you even played,with this much chatting.
Oh, I never said I do not deserve the reports / restriction. And of course, I report players (I write a short text even, if it is this bad). This is no "I am not toxic, but Karma is!"-thing for me. But for me, Riot is out getting the toxic _reaction _to toxic _behaviour_. They themselves have repeatedly said that only 5% of the players are truly toxic and everything else is basically just a reaction to that. But do tehy act like it? No. They get the _reactor _and not the _instigator_. If I hat trust in the fact that people, that intentionally troll/lose games (be it by feeding or other means) _and even say so explicitly in chat_, would be punished the same way I am for arguing with them (and, yes, insulting them in the process), then I would be more at ease. My point is that there are many (not a majority, but enough to be significant) players out there,_ that are losing games on purpose_. In a competitive game, in a competitive mode (Ranked). Not because you are mean or toxic to them (see the below game). I get literally trolled for succesfully roaming a losing lane as a mid laner, giving them an assist (+ free farm, + exp advantage etc.), because I "KS'ed" (in one istance, one Ahri foxfire from my ult-dash hit and killed the target, the only damage I did). That happened twice in the last ~20 games with a top lane Darius. Or the above mentioned jungle game, where I cannot even ask someone to try to not die 1vs1 after every teamfight we win after 20+ minutes of constant complimenting every single player on my team. So yeah, I don't like being this frustrated and I try to be better. But I see absolutely no protection from these kind of players. Zero. > I wonder if you even played,with this much chatting > 1. 60 minute game. 2. Also, pretty asinine comment when you see that match history for this game. Did you even care to look at it? Probably not... 3. As you very well see, I don't only talk shit. In fact, I am pretty encouraging as long as you don't intentionally troll me. P.S.: Another thing that highlights this is shit like in these games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkIdStc7jcc
iluwenDE (EUW)
: Fuck you Riot, I am gonna troll now. Seems to be worth it!
25 game chat restriction for this game: http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2699012661/213983423?tab=overview Spot the point where Karma starts trolling. You can see that I am an extremely positive player until she starts to troll. I would highly appreciate Riot posting the whole chat log to show what this guy said all game. I don't even insult him or anyone until he starts insulting me for telling him to stop the 1vs1 duels. > only later tahm [zahm wants Teemo to get "camped" by me] i gank mid or bot first then prolly base, do red and then come top just use tp if u have too :) gj gyus nice! thanks bro panth nice! gj karma sry karma i took his blue tho gj nice gj feed the fish :D gj u had one teemo but what about a 2nd? ;:D gj np well worth it gj lucian :) nice gj guys damn+ too much hp :D the little fucker ? lel :D wp karma nice! red still up for u lucian damn i have 3k gold :> my bad u made me jungle :>>>>> [bot lane complimented me for my jungling after I gave Lucian adc in champ select] gj guys lucian red wow teemo tanky af :D bard stop pushing alone pls [I ask Bard politely!] ur 1/7 in a winning game guys if we lose this game thats the fucking 2nd time [24 minutes in: Karma 1vs1s Ezreal for the 2nd time and after an easily won teamfight and getting a turret (1st time exact same thing at 22 minutes)] u 1vs1 ez and die after a won TF yup lel okay are u serious? [Karma flaming me "U did nothing all game noob"] gj 3rd time [31 minutes in, Karma dies a 3rd time after we win a TF 4 kills to 1 until she dies...) who cares lol ask the team [Karma flaming me again "U did nothing all game noob"] u fucking moron LOL dude u already are [Karma flaming me "I will lose this game now"] fuck off dude i had 5 succesfull gnaks before my 1st back lol dude i just want u not to 1vs1 die every time gj why dive 3vs5? :> lol dude u just died 1vs4 stfu karma yup u cannot play better i see that now sure ur not gj look at karma [Karma farming away in top lane while we try to get an inhib and actually get it 4vs5 at 45 minutes. we are 16k ahead at this point, the game is essentially over] useless sucker np we don't need u ur a mid laner lel [Karma "Lets see the damage after the game" --> tellign that to a full tank Lee SIn and well, she is actively losing the game at this point] whatever dude ur such a toxic kid mid is already down guys gj bard bard why u push solo? [Bard dies again in a solo split push, remember he is the support and even premade with the ADC] again? i am done lets lose karma troll and u cannot even group bot u don't deserve to win :) preamde bot does this kinda shit do i look like i care? karma trollign the game away, bard splitting alone. what a game! gg wp anyway i guess they can't [Tahm Kench trying to rally the troops for like the 10th time, urgingthem to group which they never do, even the premade is always split up somehow] i play don't u see? bard is splitting 100% of the time the plays [At 50 minutes we kill Viktor after a flash R from me, the rest of the enemy team is low and retreats. We can do Baron or Elder Drake (we have 4 drakes at this point (+1 Elder already)). But the 4 people split up, 3 of them die, we only get Elder Drake, opponent gets Baron and kills our base --> game over] yeah, split up guys lmao this team... i gave up adc for the premade and i get this gg wp report these trolls pls lol bard u don't get it do u? [Bard still i ndenial, hops that Karma will group and we can win (which we easily could, still more than 10k gold up...)] troll what a team.. ur such an idiot tahm [Tahm TP-suicides and the game ends] gg>
Lsayu (EUNE)
: I suggest that you concentrate on improving, not on people's shitty attitude or their trolling (whether it's legitimate or they're having a bad game and feeding, or they're inexperienced with the champ they selected so they don't know the boundaries yet). It seems that right now games are causing you a lot of stress, so I suggest you mute every single player at the start of the game (that's what I do when I'm really cranky and know that I'll play bad (in normals). Don't worry about punishments and rely on your team mates to submit a report (I'm very diligent in reporting and there are a lot of players that are like me). There is a separate system for identifying trolls and it's constantly improved, both by rioters who tune them or work on it, and the system that is learning as well is how to identify trolls based on players reports (because it makes most sense that it's based on machine learning). And again. There are many occasions when you think someone is definitely trolling, especially if you're pissed, then people tend to think everyone is against them (that's based on my experience). So good luck and hugs and I hope you're not going to troll because that will only lead to punishment and maybe even cost you your account.
Well, it is kinda obvious if people say it in chat. Somehow that is hard to detect tho.
iluwenDE (EUW)
: You don#t get it: I won't lose more. I bet you 20 Euros. 1st game: Riven support. I never played Riven before. We are winning hard. I will keep you posted.
Team can't group with 2 opposing inhibs down. (we did not lose a T2 turret at that point) gg, we lose at the end.
: According to your own definition (i.e. everything beyond 1/3/2 is not just bad playing anymore) you already troll in at least 60% of your games, your stats are often waaaaay worse than that. And thats okay, you are not perfect. No one is. > I play better in 50% of my losses than most players on my ELO in wins. How exactly did you measure that? Because your personal perception definitely isn't a good method for that, since everybody tends to think he is better than his teammates. Did you compare stats? How did you calculate these 50%? Of course I might be wrong, but to me it looks like you are simply mad because you just lost a game with pretty decent stats. It might be worth mentioning that despite your good stats, the Karma you keep complaining about had even better stats, so whatever she did was pretty damn successful. She had the most kills, the most assists in your team, the most gold in the game, the highest CS in your team, by far the highest damage on champions, took very little damage from the enemy, Thats a very odd way troll. I wish I had trolls like this in every game! Anyway: Lets ignore that Karma for a moment and talk about intentional feeding in general. There is a system called "feederbuster" and occasionally we see its victims complaining about their ban on the boards. Intentional feeding DOES get punished and according to those getting punished, it doesn't even take very long to be recognized (the last guy who complained died intentionally 6 times in just one match and got a 2 week ban for it). So no matter if this Karma trolled or not, in general intentional feeding DOES get punished.
Of course the stats are worse at the end of a loss, when things snowball too hard. I am talking about the laning phase. Check the games at 10-12 minutes. Or look at how my teammates did in those games. Thanks. Edit: Also Karma did not feed. She just went wherever the team was not. When we joined her, she left. So we we could not end despite being 16k and 6 dragons(!!!) ahead. Read the post again, please. If you could read the chat, you could see that she trolled on purpose. But alas, this thing will never get reviewed or punished. Also, I never said I consider having bad stats "trolling". Trolling for me is this Karma that intentioannly refuses to win the game. Or a Darius top lane, who is losing lane, gets a roam from me and starts feeding after I "KS" (as a mid laner, when one(!!!)R-Foxfire from Ahri hit his opponent) his opponent. Even after I explained that we get more gold this way and I did not intentionally take the kill, he rages and flames to no end despite us winning the game at that point. Happened twice (different games). The guy then dies 6 times within 10 minutes and we lose. Again, one could read the chat but it will never get punished. Trolls have free reign in this game.
iluwenDE (EUW)
: Fuck you Riot, I am gonna troll now. Seems to be worth it!
You don#t get it: I won't lose more. I bet you 20 Euros. 1st game: Riven support. I never played Riven before. We are winning hard. I will keep you posted.
Rioter Comments
: Why is Tribunal never up?
The tribulnal is NOT working. It only punishes offensive language and nothing else. How else are you going to explain 26% win rate shaco top mains, that go 1/1X/0 in every single game they play to continue playing hundreds of games? The dude even said he goes afk for 10 minutes in every game to "to roll something" and then comes back and feeds some more. And it is his main champion/strategy. Fuck this system and fuck Riot.
: Primary role some kind of joke?
Yep. I go Mid/Support every game and when I play alone, I NEVER get mid. Never. 100% support games. This makes me not want to pick Support 2nd, although I really like the role. I just want to play maybe 30% of the games as mid.
L Xpecial (EUNE)
: 10+ minute Queues - Whats up with it?
The problem is the system itself. Since it _**ignores**_ your 1st choice when your 2nd choice is in high demand (read: Support or "fill in" that ends up being Support), a lot of the players that were actually _able and willing to play Support in ranked_ games have had to abandon it as their 2nd option, because they would never ever get another role. This results in an even lower number of Supports in the system and the cycle begins again, leading to even fewer Supports and so on... I want to play Mid/Support (1st/2nd) and I would be absolutely fine to play support 70% of the time,** if I would get Mid at all with this system**. But I don't, **I get 100% Support games**. So I had to abandon it and am "gaming" the system by choosing Mid/Jungle since Jungel is a heavily contested role which ends up putting me into Mid the most. So unless Riot starty implementign a system that doesn't ignore your FIRST choice at all i nfavor of your SECOND choice, this will only get worse, I think.
: I need advice
In that ELO, {{champion:25}} is also really strong. 1. You can safe a "bad" ADC with Bindings and Black Shields from any gank or engage. 2. If you hit your Qs, you make countless plays, both in lane and in the later stages. 3. If you have good games (which is really easy to do), you develope into a 3rd/4th carry. Against bad players, you can win a 1vs2 lane a support Morgana. So maybe give her a look :)
: New Dynamic Queue forces me/my premades (4) to play support
You are playing as 4 people and not one of you is able to play support? Your fault in my opinion.
: You can blame everyone else if you played absolutely perfectly and made no mistakes... as that's impossible that means there is something you have done wrong which means you should carry some of the blame (the final mistake might not because of you but you made mistakes along the way). So in other words, it's everyone's fault.
> [{quoted}](name=swampert919,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=57TJ3o7m,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-01-30T15:06:23.069+0000) > > You can blame everyone else if you played absolutely perfectly and made no mistakes... as that's impossible that means there is something you have done wrong which means you should carry some of the blame (the final mistake might not because of you but you made mistakes along the way). > > So in other words, it's everyone's fault. So let me get that: If I don't play like Faker in every single game, I am as much responsible for losing a game as the Olaf that went 0/12/1 in lane (4 deaths in the first 5 minutes)? I tend to disagree :)
Zuenie (EUW)
: Longer queue time ranked
+1 This needs to happen or I will have to quit queuing with Support as my second role, since I NEVER get the mid lane (~1 in 10 at most).
: I'm not sure how they worked out the primary/secondary thing when it comes to you getting your role, yesterday I played 6 games with a mid/support but changed the primary and secondary each game to see if it changed what I would get, I got support for all 6 games regardless of what my primary/secondary was set to, as it is it's definitely not a 50/50 chance of getting either role.
Yep. I am a very good support player but prefer to play mid at the beginningof the season because I have more oofan impact on the game. I won 60% of my games as Ahri last season (most played champion), so it works for me and the teams. With "Main Mid / Second Support" I get the mid lane maybe 1 out of 10 games. That just plain sucks, Riot! And the worst thing is, becuase of that lack of geeting your first role when you chose Support second, many players will quit chosing support (or fill in) at all. To even have a chance at their first role. That will increase the problem. They need to do something about this!
Agareth (EUW)
: This is all fine and dandy but..... Why the fk force us to do placement matches to tell us our rank????? Clearly the system ignores the placement matches outcome regarding your rank. Why wait until we do them to tell us our rank? It would be far better just to get rid of placements and just tell us our rank instead of pretending that the outcome of the placement matches serves a purpose. It would p*** off a lot less people if they just tell us the math behind the decision and our rank. Period. «Yo…. S7 beginning and this is how we decided what rank you are: **Rank=(Sugar+spice)/(everything nice*luck ratio)-(average of people that can’t last hit or ward in your games)**. Congrats, you’re Bronze 5. Suck it up.» Jokes aside, Wouldn’t it be better then going through the 'magic gates' of placement matches that mean sh*t and be B5 even if you win 10 matches?? Btw… 10 wins B5 it’s a true story.
Excatly. The placement matches serve no pupose at all. You end up playing the same ppl as you did at the end of last season anyway (+- 50-100 MMR points). Riot only does this to make you play more. Which is smart, but ofc shitty. They pretend your results matter when in reality, they don't.
: > [{quoted}](name=iluwenDE,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=qwEMZaN8,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-01-25T12:58:45.650+0000) > > What if I told you that I have had 56% win rate, 3.0+ KDA over all champions and played the vision game like a mad-man for the last 2 seasons and always the same happens: I get placed in Silver (no matter if I go 8:2 or 2:8 in placement matches), climb up to Gold I/II with the ~200 games I play each season, ending up playing 60% platinum players - only to get placed in low Silver again next season after going 8:2 in placement matches. > > The system is terrible. If you were placed in Bronze at any time and don't play 300+ games (or more) per season, you cannot get up if not for some streaks of luck. I couldn't move up more than one leagueat a atime even when I was on a _23-game winning streak _ last season. > > And spare me the examples of players that did it. If a challenger/high diamond level palyer ends up in lower leagues, ofc it works. Getting ahead when you are not MILES better, but only significantly better than your current ELO has nothing to do with individual play. The system is fine, you are supposed to drop to have to climg again and since you manage Gold when you climb, you belong in gold, easy as taht, you are a perfect example of a system working.
Obviously, in a game that tries to "force" 50% win rates for everyone, someone winning 56% of his games is in the right league. #logic You should try to get a job at Riot!
radicator (EUNE)
: Season 6 even worse, please help.
> I played this game to have fun, and imo winning is fun but not the most important thing. Well, here we go. I don't want to play with guys like you. Your personal "fun" (whatever that means in a team game) is more important than your team winning. I can imagine whta games with players like you are like, because they ruin my games on a regular basis :) If you play a team game and winning is not your #1 priority, expect people to disagree with that attitude.
: If i were to put my finger on why people complain so much after their placements ended...
The placement matches are simply useless. Why let people play placement matches if they barely matter? Going 8:2 or 2:8 places you in X2 or X4 with X being 99% determined by the previous season. Why not simply have all players go into one league and match them up with their last season end-MMR (reduced for everyone). Would basically be the same thing without the illusion that your placement matches matter --> less frustration.
Ekoby (EUW)
: Dear Riot, any idea when the Tribunal will be back up.....if ever?
Riot is happy with "flamers" being punished. They apparently don't care for trolls, feeders and notorious non-teamplayers etc. Even if those cause most of the flame-wars during games. That's why many players want the tribunal back, you could actually punish at least some trolls etc.
: An explanation about why people get placed lower than last year
OP is right. But this shows how stupid the system is: they put players of vastly different skill levels together. Your placement matches practically don't matter at all, tehy are the difference between being in Sivler I or Silver V, which have players from plat I to gold V in them anyway. The result is matchmaking from hell for everyone. I have a lost a 5vs4 game with a 10k Gold lead because my team didn't stop pushing into Soraka/Anivia. I have had 3 players go 2/38 combined. Thats not just random results that should happen if matchmaking and placement would mean SHIT ALL.
: Ranks, Placements and the "Unfairness as they say"
> [{quoted}](name=ToP Valpen,realm=EUW,application-id=2BfrHbKG,discussion-id=qwEMZaN8,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-25T06:07:33.682+0000) > > Okay so ive been around since season 1, didnt start Ranked until season 3 which i was Super bronzie in, Season 4 i managed silver and Season 5 i managed Gold ANYHOW this is not about me, people claim that the System treated them poorly blah blah > > Why is it then that the same people end up in Diamond / Challenger etc, EVERY SEASON, is it because they magicly get amazing team mates?, no its because THEY are the main reason they win, they outplay and outduel everyone else > If you have been silver for the past 3 seasons, chances are you make too many mistakes and deserve to be there. > > Getting sick and tired of seeing people whining about this and that, also one last thing > PEOPLE WHO DESERVE GOLD > Dont have 5-45% winrates with a Super bad KDA and build the same damn items every game. What if I told you that I have had 56% win rate, 3.0+ KDA over all champions and played the vision game like a mad-man for the last 2 seasons and always the same happens: I get placed in Silver (no matter if I go 8:2 or 2:8 in placement matches), climb up to Gold I/II with the ~200 games I play each season, ending up playing 60% platinum players - only to get placed in low Silver again next season after going 8:2 in placement matches. The system is terrible. If you were placed in Bronze at any time and don't play 300+ games (or more) per season, you cannot get up if not for some streaks of luck. I couldn't move up more than one leagueat a atime even when I was on a _23-game winning streak _ last season. And spare me the examples of players that did it. If a challenger/high diamond level palyer ends up in lower leagues, ofc it works. Getting ahead when you are not MILES better, but only significantly better than your current ELO has nothing to do with individual play.
iluwenDE (EUW)
: Warnings/Restrictions for getting reported for team communication has to stop!
The problem with the current system is, that it is completely non-transparent. I wouldn´t accuse Riot of "lying" regarding the system, but at the same time they have every incentive to make it look as good as possible. Faith only goes so far in matters like these. Where the Tribunal listed the games, the chat and a lot of other information and showed how cases were decided, **the current system is a black box**. Acceptance of punishment and willingness to change behaviour is directly related to _understanding why punishment is happening and what behaviour is not acceptable and should be changed_. The current system does none of that. I have talked to quite some players who have received various degress of restrictions. While I do not generally doubt the justification of their punishment, I was surprised that even in cases were players were completely blindsided by the punishment and wrote elaborate pleading support tickets_ just to know when and what they did wrong_, the reponse was always that everything was done fairly, but that it was impossible to provide _any_ information. Now, if you hand out severe punishment and are not even able to maybe list the number of games a player was reported, for which games he was reported and (ideally) which "phrases" were unacceptable, then there will be no understanding or acceptance. Also, since the removal of the Tribunal, all the effort is focused on offensive language and the like. Riot themselves have often said that the "innately toxic players" are a very small minority within the community. But they spread frustration to other players who then become toxic themselves for a few games. Offensive language is often a reaction to something else. And while it certainly doesn´t justify foul language or verbal abuse, it is as important (or even more important) to get the **instigators** of such behaviour as it is to improve players reaction to them. If you imagine a scene on a basketball court, where one player intentionally hits another with an elbow to the face and the other player shoves the player in response, Riot is more concerned with punishing the latter than the former. And I don´t think that increases trust and acceptance of their punishments which in turn decreases their effectiveness and also leads to new frustrations for players who might otherwise be happy.
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