CylaxK2 (EUNE)
: Lissandra
You're totally right , she needs more damage she already wasn't that op
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Eveninn (EUW)
: I can see little difference other than the yellowish particles. However, just due to how they align they accentuate her dress-like figure more (or actually make it look like different platforms stacking up to a pyramid), while with the plain pictures it is hard to see it being dress shaped. :o If that's what you are referring to. :s
Here i put the two together , focus with the bottom of the dress https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmpsPEvXsAAmHSm.jpg
Eveninn (EUW)
: I can see little difference other than the yellowish particles. However, just due to how they align they accentuate her dress-like figure more (or actually make it look like different platforms stacking up to a pyramid), while with the plain pictures it is hard to see it being dress shaped. :o If that's what you are referring to. :s
I understand you cant notice it cause you havent seen her moving , but usually the program skin has lissandra moving on green 2d triangles , but the changed one was walking on 3D particles that had more density and seemed much better to me ; But when in the skin spotlight or in the replay , the skin looks like the top picture thats why im so confused maybe only ennemy program lissandra looks like that like atlantean syndra ? or its some sort of bug
Eveninn (EUW)
: It seems like a common visual bug to me. I don't know how it gets triggered, but sometimes particles of any sort of spell can just stick to a character even when it wears off. (I think it only can happen to enemies, probably has something to do with losing vision on them at an exact timing.) I assume the bottom example was hit by some sort of spell effect (I'd guess a slow, maybe singed goop? can't say for sure) and simply kept those particles for the rest of the game, giving her this look.
I know she seems hit by spells cause i took the bottom picture screenshots while in combat , lissandra had brand ult and soraka heals with her ... but i'm not concerned about the color as much as the particles she walks on , if you concentrate on them they seem completly diffrent , and i dont think any spell is allowed to change a champion's look like that
Eveninn (EUW)
: Just the floaty crystals, not the yellowish particles. (Unless I really missed something. x3)
lol if you look closer in the two images , not only the colors are different , but the bottom of lissandra (the thing she walks on ) seems like in 3 dimensions in the second picture , while the normal program lissandra skin doesnt have that Edit : yes you missed my point x)
Shamose (EUW)
: Taric W.
Rioter Comments
: My honest and deep opinion on what needs to change.
Lissandra's passive wont be out until after worlds cause they cant just release something that could break the meta straight onto to the worlds
PzyXo (EUW)
: is there a way riot can help with 25 RP ?
Send a good drawing to support and see if they accept it
Ravnir (EUNE)
: League of Legends books?
the war of the three sisters (freljord)
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asasinpuia (EUNE)
: Azir and his fate
i think he's still pretty strong actually , but not an easy play
Hansiman (EUW)
: No, they're personal to you.
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Toxxygen (EUW)
: Has anyone ever had fun playing with or against an Illaoi?
BesniStakor (EUNE)
: Relog. They will appear.
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: > Only a fool can say that , Lissandra was one of the strongest characters (not to say the most) of freljord , not only she is an ancient princess with pure icoborn blood , but no one knows her true identity (the ice witch) , which gives her the advantage on almost everyone , cause she was disguised a human frostguard leader pretending to serve ashe waiting for the moment to strike... You realise by weak I meant her character was weak, as in personality and motive... not weak in a fight. Her entire lore summed up to she is evil and wants to rule the world for reasons we can’t think of so we will pretend it’s mysterious... it’s lazy writing and made her 1 dimensional... this is much better for her. > are you serious ? from with the watchers , to against them , from fought against avarosa , to sacrificed her , from plans to rule the world , to plans to protect the world ... the only thing that stayed the same is her blind eyes Well no... still made a deal with the watchers, still was a servant of the watchers, and her dynamics with the sisters is still the same, still wants to rule and get power, still rewrites history to suit her, still a betrayer. The only thing that’s happened is that instead of mindlessly betraying her sisters for the watchers for no reason she chose to sacrifice her sisters in order to trap the watchers... it ultimately makes more sense for her to betray the watchers than her sisters. > All what your saying is unclear in the new lore and , i think , if they want to make a complete 180 change in the story at least they should give us a good writing Again it’s not a complete change, still the same character her goals have just shifted... still all about the return of the watchers. And remember it’s unclear because we know nothing about the frejord... all of that lore was retconned, so things will be clearer with context > yes obviously , we all noticed that , but there is always youtube for the fans , and in youtube you can find not only that video , but other ones about lissandra release story video ... there are even songs made about the old her (falconshield : this is war 4) and it has 5,8 million views But that’s still retconned... doesn’t matter if you can find it on YouTube it’s now outdated information and should be ignored in these discussions...
xD i'am sorry i meant to write "not one of the strongest characters"
: Haha FOOL it is exactly as the old lore STATED! she has infiltrated the traditions of the freiglord to make her look a hero in another act of deception, she is waiting for the opertune moment to unleash armogeddon!!! I hope
: You’ve really not understood the lore. > She was a really strong character who waited over a thousand years trying to find as many clues as possible to bring them back She was a weak character... there was no substance or motive besides she is evil... > Now she was their servant but no she didn't to follow their orders to rule the world in void ( I cant find the words since Im so pissed off ) so she follows hers sisters and make their own army. Then she betrays them ( Hello? Logic? ) then she seales the watchers by herself. Her mind touched the minds of the watchers, they promised immortality in exchange for servitude (so far exact same as before) She consulted with her sisters and they opposed it, then the watchers broke through Lissandra realised her mistake and had to make a choice, sacrifice her sisters for the world, or sacrifice the world for her sisters... she chose the former. So she was never following her sisters, she went behind their backs to achieve power, and used their power to seal away the watchers. ___ Her lore is largely the same... except instead of betraying her sisters for absolutely no reason she betrayed the watchers (which ultimately makes more sense)... her story has always been her gaining power, deceit, and changing the histories of the frejord to suit her... just this time we can actually see why she does it. > Even after arams ( when you win ) you can hear her talk about what happened and how she had revenge from Averosa who sealed the watchers. Actually... that interaction hasn’t been in the game for a while now. To trigger it you have to sit in the victory screen in game for a while, but a change happened whic automatically removes you from game and into the post game client if you wait a brief time without pressing continue... which meant that you couldn’t wait long enough to hear Lissandra. So that got retconned.
> She was a weak character... there was no substance or motive besides she is evil... Only a fool can say that , Lissandra was not one of the strongest characters (not to say the most) of freljord , not only she is an ancient princess with pure icoborn blood , but no one knows her true identity (the ice witch) , which gives her the advantage on almost everyone , cause she was disguised a human frostguard leader pretending to serve ashe waiting for the moment to strike... She even had so many connections with other champion's lores , such as {{champion:34}} {{champion:77}} {{champion:133}} , and in all those lores they recognised her power > Her lore is largely the same are you serious ? from with the watchers , to against them , from fought against avarosa , to sacrificed her , from plans to rule the world , to plans to protect the world ... the only thing that stayed the same is her blind eyes > So she was never following her sisters, she went behind their backs to achieve power, and used their power to seal away the watchers. All what your saying is unclear in the new lore and , i think , if they want to make a complete 180 change in the story at least they should give us a good writing > So that got retconned. yes obviously , we all noticed that , but there is always youtube for the fans , and in youtube you can find not only that video , but other ones about lissandra release story video ... there are even songs made about the old her (falconshield : this is war 4) and it has 5,8 million views
: Omfg. I was waiting for them to update her lore to know if the Watchers are finally coming or not... This is BULLSHIT. Literally. My favourite lore of all time and they had to ruin it. She was such a badass character who was wise and try her best to bring back the Watchers and now she was the one who sealed them? And they never mentioned they were from the Void. It makes no sence. Well. I guess it's not Riot if they dont %%%% up everything. #NeverBeenMoreDisappointed.
i usually like new updates , but this one is just ... i cant even .. i had "The watchers will return" writeen as my profile status note , now its just "tears" , i am a lissandra main and im supposed to consider the watchers as ennemies now
Èclair (EUNE)
: To be fair I didn't even know about lore update for her and Vel before you posted about it. My first big event was actually Battle for Freljord. This is why I do have sentiment for Lissandra. She's such a great counterpart for both Ashe and Sejuani. The new lore is just stupid and makes her look weak and indecisive instead of being this symbol of primordial power that's willing to wage war against both tribes to serve her masters. Ashe, Seju and Liss were trinity in wich each side represented diffrent aspects and goals in achieving control over Freljord. With her in hiding the balance is broken and the trio is no longer. By buthering her lore Riot successfully degraded in quality lore of the entire region and killed all chemistry between descendants of old queens and Liss. > [{quoted}](name=EtoileduNord,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=HwXf0aIH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-08-21T18:51:43.960+0000) > > Edit : What ? the aram ending speech is also redconed ? does riot have a problem with lissandra now ? It's no longer present in game on top of Lissadra stating that she never forgave her sisters for killing the Watchers, so I guess it's also part of the redconed lore. Sad.
Well sad for them more than for us , cause the old story was much more better , i will forget the new one and never read it again personally
: Less alone doesn't mean more right though. Don't get yourself fooled by that. We share the same opinion but that doesn't make it any more valid than any other. Just keep that small detail in mind in your future discussions if you want to do me a favour. Science > mass belief. Have a nice day!
Mass belief ? okay well that came out of nowhere , i meant just that it's good to see im not the only one seeing what they did to the amazing old lissa , thanks for your philosophy but i already knew that
: I just realized that I only read the new [bio](https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_US/story/champion/lissandra/) of her, which is probably not the best thing to do. If I actually read _the thing_, you might want to look at that comment. He seems to share my problems. [Comment](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/storyart/99Vd2rk2-lissandras-new-lore-is-amazing?comment=000000000001) [Thread](https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/c9akrooE-lore-update-opinions-velkoz-and-lissandra) Digging a bit in the NA boards I come to the comclusion that the lore needs a little bit of clarification at the least. The new lore doesn't win the heart of many and and it feels like it's whether an improvement to the character nor to the universe effectively. Thank you for the link, I might answer you once I've read it, I am unable at the moment. Maybe it wil clarify something.
Thank you for showing me this NA thread , i actually took a look there and found many other threads talking about the same thing as i , and disliking the change of the lore as much(not just about the clarification) , at least i feel less alone now
: > The whole protector thing doesn't suit any one of her quotes , nor her presence in other lores (Quinn's journal , udyr's (idk if they updated that one too) , ornn , her speech after aram ...) All lore got retconned... so quinn’s Journal isn’t cannon anymore. Uydr’s lore doesn’t mention Lissandra, orrn’s lore doesn’t paint her as evil just magical. Quotes are also from the old lore and was going to need to be redone anyway. > However ,try playing Lissandra for years and knowing her as the evil ice witch that awaits the watchers to return so they burry the world in ice , then finding out that its all changed out of the blue , and that she is now the one who emprisonned the watchers not the one who wants to free them... Well of course... she is litterally malzahar if she had her old lore... exact same motives and goals. Lissandra needed to become herself, needed to actually be a fully fledged character rather than just a generic witch with a generic plan. Plus the vast majority of champion’s have had their lores retconned and redone like Lissandra... most players know how it feels.
Udyr's lore acutally mentions lissandra as the Evil ice Witch[ here ](https://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Udyr/Background) :) quinn's journal is still in lol wikia when you put lissandra's page , Lissandra's old lore had a lot of connections i just can't believe they gave up all of that for the lame new one o.O > Plus the vast majority of champion’s have had their lores retconned and redone like Lissandra... most players know how it feels. are you serious ? i dont think other players got their favourite champion character changed to 180 degree , and even if they had , i dont care , it's the Ice queen we're talking about here
Èclair (EUNE)
: ➢ Makes a pact with powerful beings to stop the Void; ➢ Betrays them because she didn't want to fulfil her part of the bargain; ➢ Now the Watchers are allied with the Void because she betrayed them. Liss did 180° from powerful and feared villain to a pathetic mistake that lives only to cover up her failures. Exposing entities that can stop the Void to the Void itself might be probably the best %%%%up in the League's lore so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErmHQ4UN5sc Sad that this part is also redconed. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/59/Goodbye%2C_Friend%21_Emote.png/revision/latest?cb=20180224190901
I can't believe rito messed up my favourite character story , i wonder why aren't more people reacting ... i swear i'll just quit the game for this shit they put for the ice queen , and i thought that after 4 years of waiting after lissandra's release the would actually give us , her mains , something worth the wait like a freljord event or a good skin , but no they just give her a whole different persona ): look i'm not one of the those anti-change guys who always like old things to stay like they are , i love new things and updates of this game , i loved syndra new bio , and i was so happy when i saw that lissandra got a new one at first glance , but after reading it , i was just 100000% disappointed Edit : What ? the aram ending speech is also redconed ? does riot have a problem with lissandra now ?
: > "The watchers will return" but she doesnt want them to return now Doesn’t matter if she wants them to return or not... they are returning and a lot of her lore is around their return. > "All will kneel" new lore make the ice witch more a protector than someone who prepares to rule the world ? her plans aren't even mentionned anymore ? Protector but not a very nice one... she isn’t outright evil but she still made the deal with the watchers for power. > "i've killed so many queens i've lost count" also old lore mentionned lissandra killed previous queens of freljord and this one doesnt Actually it does > It was whispered that Avarosa and Serylda would one day return to unite the disparate tribes, and so Lissandra had any who were hailed as their reincarnations quietly killed. She doesn’t want Avarosa and serylda to reunite the tribes and undo her work... so Lissandra kills any who might be a threat... only reason why she hasn’t had Ashe and Sejuani killed is that right now there isn’t much chance of them reuniting. ___ Problem with Lissandra is that she seemed more like a Sunday morning cartoon villain... evil without any reason to be evil... black and white good and evil... she didn’t have a character or a back story she was just evil and wanted world domination. Now she has motive, now instead of just an evil ice witch we see who she actually is, a human... it’s ultimatly better
Yes i was wrong about the last one , didn't notice it at first. However ,try playing Lissandra for years and knowing her as the evil ice witch that awaits the watchers to return so they burry the world in ice , then finding out that its all changed out of the blue , and that she is now the one who emprisonned the watchers not the one who wants to free them... The whole protector thing doesn't suit any one of her quotes , nor her presence in other lores (Quinn's journal , udyr's (idk if they updated that one too) , ornn , her speech after aram ...)
Cypherous (EUW)
: Riot is retconning the lore, ingame stuff will end up getting updated once they actually nail down the whole thing
if they take out those quotes too it will be even worse ):
: I've just read the lore and looked into the boards because I find it very confusing too: Here's my summary * Lissandra loses vision, wanderes in dreams etc and ends up liking the idea of eternity for herself, her sisters and their followers. * Avarosa argued that the only thing worse than death was servitude. Not sure what that means in this context, whatever, the other sister wasn't pleased either. * Lissandra in the middle, probably already harnessing powers of the watchers who she intended to make the deal with had to decide between her dream and the dream of her sisters. * Ultimately choosing her sisters? Fighting against the watchers with her sisters and delaying the breach of the void. Now it gets weird. * She still harnesses the power of the watchers even if she defied them. * She tries to erase the legends of her sisters and their unity. * She still defies the watchers? I missed some major point somewehere I just don't find it.
I KNOW RIGHT , like i've read the old bio more than 20 times and didn't get bored of it , it was very clear and gave her the badass icy witch character , now i read this one and its not clear at all what they want her to be , an evil one , a good one ?? also Lissandra is mentionned in Quinn's journal as the evil ice witch , and in the speech she gives after aram ... all doesn't just fit in to me , the point from this new bio (also for velkoz) is to highlight the Watcher's as the big vilains , so they took down lissandra's role and made her less of a strong vilain that is ally with them , into someone who sacrificed her two sisters to temporerly put the watchers in ice prison ...
Rioter Comments
: New Weather Champion?
{{champion:40}} autumn {{champion:127}} winter {{champion:268}} {{champion:89}} summer {{champion:143}} {{champion:427}} spring
: Marissa, The Pulse Of The Forest.
Okay so im 99 percent sure the first 2 lines of that lore are from Tinker Bell disney movie ... Seriously ?
Smerk (EUW)
: We were, but all your arguments were bad, so I'm not even sure what are we discussing at this point. Look at your comments > Lissandra is no princess , she is like centuries old x) How is this even relevant? Age has nothing to do with this title > Lissandra undercover is actually serving ashe's reign , so if anyone is princess of freljord , it's either Sejuani or Ashe This is where I used my "hypothetical" princess. You won't lose your title by not trying to become a queen. Then you can project this simple truth on lol champions and you will see that Lissandra is still a princess > Ashe isn't her sister , Lissandra's sisters are Avarosa and Serylda who are the ancestors of Ashe and Sej And now you even made my position much stronger, I actually overlooked this simple truth, she was a princess when Avarosa and Serylda were still alive, so technically she still is, see my first point
Lmao i don't need to look at my comments ,i already did when i wrote them Maybe instead of talking in vain so much you could actually get yourself around one thing only ? so much turning in cercles here : The first thing you talk about Ashe and Sejuani and lissa being princesses , i just answered that due to her age she can't be cause she's like their grand grand grand mothers sister ... age is not irrelevent in this case cause the title "princess" doesn't suit a lady from the ice age here You repeated then that Ashe was lissa's sister (see who is repeating here) ... sorry i can't follow you so much once you speak about ashe's age , then you go back in time to the three sisters to prove that she is a princess , once you're hypothetical and then you're not , i think you're just trying to prove something you dont understand
Freekill247 (EUNE)
: You get chests by getting at least S- on a champion you didn't get a chest from, however this can only happen once a week. You can also get up to 12 Key fragments each month which means you can open a chest once a week. Key fragments drop when you log into your account, so try just waiting it out or playing some more for a higher chance to get one.
Please can someone explain to me what do the chests and keys do ?
Smerk (EUW)
: I was speaking about hypothetical princess in my last comment, not about Lissandra. Also, you are repeating yourself at this point
Hypothetical ? Sorry i thought we were talking about lol champions here , my bad ..
Smerk (EUW)
: Ah, but that doesn't change anything, when princess doesn't intend to become a queen and supports her sister instead she doesn't lose her rights or the title of a princess, so basically she can remain a princess for as long as she wants
Ashe isn't her sister , Lissandra's sisters are Avarosa and Serylda who are the ancestors of Ashe and Sej Basically Lissandra is just there holding ashe political stuff for her and waiting for an oppurtunity to strike (also in secret she is the ice witch who scares everybody :p )
Smerk (EUW)
: Doesn't matter, to those who don't know about her true identity, so basically everyone who is not under her command, she is legitimate princess
Well i see you know the story pretty well , but you missed the part where Lissandra undercover is actually serving ashe's reign , so if anyone is princess of freljord , it's either Sejuani or Ashe Lissandra would only reveal herself after they fight and kill each other , or when the watchers return , and then she would be Queen x)
: the next generation of Star Guardian
Why not star guardian evils like {{champion:127}} Dark Cosmos Lisaandra and her ice turns into this cosmos like material with stars in it http://www.maxxi.art/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/IntoTheCosmos_testata.jpg?x64602
Smerk (EUW)
: {{champion:22}} {{champion:127}} {{champion:113}} here are your princesses. Ashe even got Queen skin, even though she's not a legit queen yet
Lissandra is no princess , she is like centuries old x)
: 'They Are Coming' Analyzed: Yes, it's probably a new champion, and heres why.
I really want it to be the {{champion:127}} The watchers , but Dhama is pretty cool ^^
: > [{quoted}](name=Raynard,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=l7QBTNot,comment-id=002e,timestamp=2015-08-28T15:12:43.851+0000) > > My theory is that the "They are coming" line is a reference to the watchers. > {{champion:127}} [heavy breathing] Well, a Rioter confirmed it's a champion. And it says THEY are coming which refers to more than one item, so it's quite sure it's a dual champion. x)
What dude The watchers are not an item , they are masters who gave Lissandra and her sisters ice power , read lroes please , and they are a champion not item
: ~Underworld skins~
You mean Underworld {{champion:127}}
: Anne, New Skin Idea!
ClockTime (EUNE)
: [Bug] Morgana's W shows old animation
x) Well thats a full report , thank you officer !
ZeaI (EUW)
: Victorious Azir Skin
You mean victorious {{champion:127}}
: Whats a good name for someone who only plays darius mid/top/jungle/support?
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Frightpest (EUNE)
: What Champion to buy?
Lissandra is totally perfect for you ;)
: What if you could redesign the looks of a champion, who would you change?
{{champion:31}} {{champion:121}} {{champion:111}} {{champion:50}} {{champion:6}}
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