loljames1 (EUW)
: My Perm-Ban for Being 'Extremely inflammatory and offensive'.
At the end of the day, my account was low elo and only had a couple of hundred on it. I'll just make another.
loljames1 (EUW)
: Of course pointing their mistakes out will help them, are you inept? If they do something wrong and you don't tell them either someone else will in a heavier tone or they won't learn to amend their mistakes. Get your heavily opinionated toxic shit off of my forum post, people like you deserve to be banned, you're the one calling others 'douchebags'. You're a hypocrite and its unacceptable. Learn your place.
You successfully managed to write three paragraphs blabaring on about nonsense and decided to throw in harassment was it necessary? No. You're a perfect example of the people I have to play with. You think that you're righteous and just, allowing you to say things like that to people you believe 'deserve it'. You're not a nice person in the slightest, you're in no position to judge others with your attitude.
Shozis (EUNE)
: It's deserved. After 14-day ban even minor offenses can lead to permaban, and I wouldn't even call your chat logs a minor offense. You don't have to heavy flame someone or use curse words to get punished. Your chat logs show that you are constantly negative, passive aggressive, blaming and pressuring your teammates and threatning to report them. That is more than enough to get you punished especially if it happens constantly and in large amounts. Sorry, but you are not a nice person to play with. What are you trying accomplish by your negative remarks? You are being negative from the start of the game. Do you think pointing out every mistake of your teammates will somehow help them? Do you really think your teammates don't want to win the game? Who are you that they should listen to your shot calling? I'm actually glad that you are banned. I wouldn't want to play with someone who is constantly presssuring, blaming and pointing out my every mistake especially if I already know that I screwed up. People play video games to have fun, and not to be constantly criticized by douchebags.
Of course pointing their mistakes out will help them, are you inept? If they do something wrong and you don't tell them either someone else will in a heavier tone or they won't learn to amend their mistakes. Get your heavily opinionated toxic shit off of my forum post, people like you deserve to be banned, you're the one calling others 'douchebags'. You're a hypocrite and its unacceptable. Learn your place.
Haxoor (EUNE)
: ***
I'll receive a backlash for this guaranteed but you're right, all people do is lie to themselves online pretending to be something they're not like perfect players that don't get angry at the game. Touche to you for coming out though mate, I appreciate that :)
Coopa123 (EUW)
: Pretty sure bigot doesn't mean what you think it does.
Is this relative to the forum post? No. No its not. I am more than qualified to know what bigot means. I'd rather you didn't doubt my intelligence. For your sake I'll supply a definition: a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions. Sound familiar? Thought so. You're going to argue that that is me, its obvious so I might as well kill two birds with one stone. I tried viewing it from your standpoint and giving you mine however you refused to do so.
: > they decide to spam ping me You can mute pings too. > I unmute them just to see them flame me yet im the one being punished :/ Yes, because it's not a game of "Who was the worst?", but more like a game of "Who broke the rules, how often does he do that and how often did we warn him about it already?".
I understand that. The problem isn't who is the worst, its the severity of the punishment due to chat taken out of context. If I were to get the full chat you'll be the first to see it. When you see just one side of the chat, it could mean anything. You see, the issue here is that I know what my team were saying and how I responded however you only see what I said to myself and what I said to my team without knowing what they said. You having a misunderstanding of the situation is expected.
: > im seeking help Just to prepare you: Most likely no one can. Not because your problem is complicated or something like that, but because the solution you have in mind (not getting permabanned, I suppose?) is not an option. You are not innocent, you are clearly guilty. Your ban isn't a mistake in any way, this is the system working exactly as it's supposed to work. So your ban is definitely going to stay. If you need any other help like helping you understand why you got banned or helping to to avoid bans in the future, sure, we can offer that kind of help. And to some extent maybe Riots Support can. But if you have anything else in mind, absolutely no one can help you. Your account is really gone for good.
You do not have the mandate to judge whether or not I am innocent or guilty. Thank you for your opinion, its been noted.
Coopa123 (EUW)
: > I wasn't talking down to my team mates for a start You totally were. You're perception of your own behaviour is completely delusional. You are absolutely oblivious to how the things you say are perceived by your teammates. > This person claimed to be gold Twitch was also intentionally feeding roaming top lane all game So? You think anything anyone in your games does excuses your terrible and toxic behaviour? Hint: No. You are responsible for the things you say and how you say them. And it got you banned. > report calling is the only way to get others to report Maybe you should have researched this one a little more ( I mean besides completely ignoring the Summoners Code) The amount of reports someone gets in one game is completely irrelevant. One single report triggers the system. And one report = nine reports. So crying for reports doesn't do anything. And even if this was false (which it isn't) the rest of your chat is totally enough to remove you from the game permanently > the other players in both them games should've been punished but whats that? They weren't. How do you know? Maybe all of them got chat restrictions? This seems perfectly plausible since very very few players have a long history of bad behaviour like you do. You couldn't possibly know.
Im ignoring your comments for now on as you're a bigot who is oblivious to the situation at hand. You say one thing and stick to it, no point debating with you when you're not capable of such a task. I'd also like to remind you how these forums are meant to be kept civil so before you go ahead inducing the worse in people and directly offending I suggest you stop before you receive a punishment yourself. Consider yourself warned.
: > I wasn't talking down to my team mates Of course you were. You basically called others mentally ill (the stuff about "seeing a doctor for sensitivity") and you spend a big part of your pretty extensive chatlog to constantly point out peoples mistakes and blaming them all game long. I don't understand how you are not seing that. Sure, you didn't use any swear words, but you were constantly rubbing salt in peoples wounds and blaming them for all kind of stuff. Hell, even when you admitted your own mistakes and apologized for trying hard but failing, you immediately followed with " But you're making it impossible" in order to blame others for it again. And what you said afterwards is pretty much the essence of your problem: > All you need to do is do what I say I mean, seriously, who do you think you are? You can't just call yourself the leader and expect people to follow you. You are a team of equals, so ordering people around is not how leadership works in this environment, since you simply don't have the right or authority to order anyone around. I think you misunderstand your role in your team. It is not your job or right to give orders, to constantly tell your teammates what they do wrong and take control over what your teammates are doing. I think what Coopa123 said, the word "condescending", is pretty much essence of your behavior problem, if I had to boil it down to one word. > report calling is the only way to get others to report Not exactly. They are actual people, you know, they can decide that on their own and do it without you telling them. And, way more important: There is absolutely no use in doing it. You simply don't NEED to make others report something, because it literally doesn't matter. The amount of reports is entirely irrelevant. One is enough, more change absolutely nothing. The system is not based on the amount of reports, its not a factor. All reports do is triggering an investigation of someones behavior. So once there is one report, more don't change anything anymore. This makes it entirely useless to tell others to report someone. > If this is against the rules, the other players in both them games should've been punished but whats that? They weren't. What a shame. And if they do that frequently and/or after previous punishments, like you, they will. Everyone is judged by the same system and standards. The reason why you are punished and they (probably) are not is that you already got enough warnings to know better. They most likely don't. I am sure you are not a bad person in general. Normally you are probably a cool dude, like pretty much everyone. But in this case you clearly misjudged what kind of behavior is appropriate. That doesn't make you a bad person, but it makes you a person who (repeatedly) made a mistake. And I think you should stand up for it and accept your responsibility for it. You are not a bad guy, but you %%%%ed up and faced the consequences for it.
'You basically called others mentally ill' why do you have a fond habit of taking things out of context to make me look bad? You know damn well I didn't say it calling them mentally ill. If I were to do something like that I'd call them mentally ill but did I? No. No I didn't because I wasn't flaming. Condescending is somewhat what I am yes, I completely agree. There's nothing wrong with being condescending its in human nature. No need to deny it, Im not a bigot. I enrolled myself to being the team leader as I was playing the best in the team. What's the key in team work? Communication. If none of them are communicating someone needs to round them up and make them start. I chose to do so. Me telling them to report Twitch is their decision. I'm not dictating what they do after the game in anyway shape or form. Its within their interest to report him so they don't have any more intentional feeders in their games. I reported the flamers in my games however as they had the majority voting against me they had the upper hand hence my ban and not theirs. Yes I agree I c*cked up however I'm strictly following the context of which permanent suspensions are given. Yes, I have been toxic yes, I have been an absolute outrageous player in the past and i've never denied it. However, in the ban where it truly matters, I have been banned for the smallest thing. I didn't repetitively break rules considering I haven't done that in the games after my previous suspension. I believe in the punishment system however I also believe nothing is perfect. You said it yourself that Im not a bad person, furthermore you also see that what I had said was NOT eligible for the punishment I was given. I have seen far worse, I have experience far worse and I still see them far worse people playing the game. I have seen racism, homophobia and sheer insults be thrown without punishment being executed. Thats because the system is focus on the small things like what has happened here. Like it or not, its the truth.
: Way too much chat. Less chatting, more playing and games are easier to win.
I can't play anymore games because my account has been permanently suspended, even when muting them they decide to spam ping me and out of curiosity I unmute them just to see them flame me yet im the one being punished :/
: >Being 'unpleasant' and being Extremely inflammatory and offensive are two very different things friend. I know, and you weren't _extremely_ offensive. Your violations were rather mild. That doesn't mean a permanent suspension isn't warrented though. As I said in my first comment, consistent toxicity can lead to a permanent ban just like extreme toxicity. One way is just faster than the other. ---- Honestly, I doubt that much will be done about your punishment, but you can always try to [submit a request](https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new) to the Player Support and ask them to review your chatlogs.
I've done that, I've been waiting since last night hence the forum post. Unlike some I'm not seeking attention im seeking help. It doesn't matter whos perspective you're seeing this from, yes a permanent suspension is warranted however it is not to go without say that what I said did not go by the permanent suspension guidelines which is the quote I have been referring to.
loljames1 (EUW)
: Yes, I was upset. Does that sound Extremely inflammatory and offensive you think?
This quote isn't relevant to the ban itself. I suggest you remove your bigoted comments away as you're quite frankly trying to throw me into the dirt by quoting comments and taking them out of context.
: "With your iq levels" in combination with "You lost" is meant as negative, why would u say this otherwise? > You lost with your very high iq levels That sounds sarcastic, don't you think?
Yes, I was upset. Does that sound Extremely inflammatory and offensive you think?
: >Then they started to ignore my suggestions Hansiman has a point though. You are not just giving advice, you are straight up telling them what to do, you can't just appear out of nowhere and act like you're the leader. You have to be respectful in order to be respected yourself. --- People in your games aren't calling you a flamer for no reason, they clearly perceive your "suggestions" as negative. That's not the effect a good leader has on others. You can easily make calls, or direct your teammates without them getting offended, you just have to be respectful and not act like you are the **only one** who knows what to do.
It is easy doing that. I started off doing that. When they decided to criticise my gameplay such as spamming pings, calling me out in all chat, and directly flaming. I tried keeping my cool when giving callouts. I don't know if you're not passionate about winning however I certainly am. I've been desperate to climb and the only way I've been having success is by team mates following simple orders. Don't get me wrong, if they don't go with it I don't flame them.
: >I believe the automatic tribunal system detected the words 'dumb' and 'f**ck' and presumed I had been flaming. That is not how the Instant Feedback System works. It's much more than a simple word filter, it's a machine learning system that analyses your behavior as soon as you get reported. From what I've seen it is very accurate at distinguishing harassment from a neutral use of a "bad word". I haven't seen a single player get punished for using fould language in a non-offensive way. Saying things like "F%ck this game/champion/ability etc." is not going to get you punished. --- As you mentioned, you have already received 3 penalties prior to this one. Your 14-day ban even informed you that another violation of the rules can lead to a permanent ban. You might've improved your behavior, but you were still an unpleasant teammate for way too long. Your history is what lead to this punishment, not the severity of your offense.
Being 'unpleasant' and being Extremely inflammatory and offensive are two very different things friend. Considering I was being flamed in those games by team mates un-necessarily and they were not punished by using direct words such as 're*ard' and more. For me telling someone they're over sensitive, this judgement is far too irrational
Coopa123 (EUW)
: > No flaming or cancer or i'll mute all Great start. Give your teammates a toxic ultimatum. You really should have followed your own advice > loljames1: Im yet to see one of these renowned ganks tbh > loljames1: I understand you might be over sensitive loljames1: You might need to see a doctor for that sensitivity loljames1: Come on gold loljames1: Go mid loljames1: Nvm loljames1: Gold 1 Why are you saying these things? You were on the verge of a permanent suspension and you still decided to condescendingly talk down on your teammates. > loljames1: Report twitch hes trolling report calling is also against the rules. If you already had your 14 day ban this alone could have been enough to get you the permanent ban. > loljames1: Because im not getting banned loljames1: Because of you Whoops ;=)
What's this? Are you taking the chat out of context making me look like the bad person? It seems you forgot to add this: loljames1: No flaming or cancer or i'll mute all loljames1: I dont want perm ban loljames1: Its not personal I wasn't talking down to my team mates for a start. This person claimed to be gold on an alternative account and I had my hopes up for it. Twitch was also intentionally feeding roaming top lane all game as we lost three barons in a row, report calling is the only way to get others to report. If this is against the rules, the other players in both them games should've been punished but whats that? They weren't. What a shame.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: This is not you being a leader/communicator. This is you bossing around people, and stepping on them when they're down. It's not behaviour that's wnated here.
I don't believe you understand the situation at hand here. I am in lower elo, I am advising my team on what to do, every time I suggested something and we did it, we won. Then they started to ignore my suggestions thus leading to the defeat. You're the type of player to not say anything in a match and I understand that however, people that are passionate about winning and are competitive have a drive for winning games, and I planned on making that match a win.
Hansiman (EUNE)
: Greetings. > I believe the automatic tribunal system detected the words 'dumb' and 'f**ck' and presumed I had been flaming. The IFS detected the context of what you were saying, and saw that you were being rude towards other people. If you've been warned in the past for your behaviour, and you've ignored all of these warnings, then there's no other option but to permanently suspend you from the game. --- > I'd like to also clarify that there was a premade in both of these games I believe as they consistently decided to single me out and tried inducing me to flame. You could have just muted them once they started to annoy you, but you didn't. You took a choice to allow yourself to read what they said, and to respond to them. That's a decision you've made, and you can't blame others for it. You have to take responsibilities for your own actions and choices. --- Now, you claim that you weren't insulting anyone, but your log does indicate otherwise: > loljames1: I understand you might be over sensitive loljames1: You might need to see a doctor for that sensitivity > loljames1: I understand you might be over sensitive loljames1: You might need to see a doctor for that sensitivity > loljames1: Pathetic loljames1: I cant win you the game when you throw > loljames1: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU > loljames1: You lost loljames1: With your iq levels And these are just some of the obvious examples. Your log is filled with you calling out and mocking allies whenever they make a mistake. How do you think that's being a supportive member of the team? The only thing you'll get out of it is people getting more frustrated, and making more mistakes, ultimately causing you to lose games. Remember, this is a team game, so you should act like a teammember.
You're looking at the logs from only my side. There are team mates that have had conversations with me. The over sensitivity is due to them having a language barrier and not understand the context of which I speak. For example, if I say 'that was terrible' they'd instantly presume that it was them I was flaming and not myself or just the general actions of the scene. Furthermore, you're saying yourself that a permanent suspension was the appropriate action to take for me saying: loljames1: WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU loljames1: You lost loljames1: With your iq levels You can even see that I was hesitant and didn't finish the final sentence, I didn't claim they had low IQ levels nor did I say they had high. This system you speak of didn't detect the context, it scanned through my dialogue only and discovered the words 'dumb' and 'f*ck'. Its simple as that, If we had the full logs you'd see me traversing in conversation with my team mates. 'loljames1: I cant win you the game when you throw' was me trying to defend myself as they were pinning the blame on me, the person that had the most kills, assists and relevance in that game for losing the game for them. Yes I agree I should've muted them earlier however I left it too late. That aside, a permanant suspension is far too extreme for the situation at hand.
loljames1 (EUW)
: My Perm-Ban for Being 'Extremely inflammatory and offensive'.
My point exactly, don't get me wrong, in the past I have said a lot worse however I received two chat restrictions and a two week ban however on my first day back, I get flamed and I deal with it the best way possible by enrolling myself as the team leader/communicator however I'm considered as a flamer without using any offensive language or targeting anyone on my team :/
Rioter Comments
: Remove autofill function.
I'd rather have a 10 minute wait than get stuck with support. This autofill system is 1 encouraging people to dodge, 2 making people lose LP due to being placed in positions they're not familiar with, thus resulting in more toxicity due to the support role being filled with people incapable of satisfying the team's needs. I strongly believe this system only invokes negative behaviour and negative effects on the community itself. This is a system no one has asked for and quite frankly, no one wants. I for one believe this is a massive waste of my time as I have already encountered countless dodges in not only normals, but ranked as well. From all the dodges to then being placed as support myself, I would've waited as long as I would've previously to get on a game however the only difference this time is that I'm playing a role that I do not feel qualified to play. Remove this madness -1.

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