RayleighTT (EUNE)
: Amumu ideas for rework..
amumu is very well designed and doesn't need a rework
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Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T21:22:26.749+0000) > > Also for the difference between overpowered and broken, you just made it up out of your own perception. No, I didn't. Ask any high MMR player if you don't believe me. Google around if you don't believe me. That's the problem with people like you. You only care about brownie points (rank) instead of actually **listening** to what other people have to say. I bet if I had a Challenger border you'd believe anything I told you. The definition of those two words, in the League of Legends context (and many other games for that matter), is well understood by many people. It's not my fault if you're ignorant about that topic in particular. That's the beauty of all this. You can choose to better yourself, by doing research, or you can live inside your bubble indefinitely. I don't really care which one you will choose.
falling back on the same problem. You think your opinion is a fact, whenever it isn't. There is no real definition of those terms. I just googled what you think i wouldn't google. https://boards.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-en/HJ9NKhzz-difference-between-broken-overpowered Here on this topic you can see these defintions you just gave being very much discusses, since no one really agrees on these. Those words have no definition. The only slight difference you can find betweend theml is that broken seems more severe than overpowered. And that's exactly what i think of evelynn, so no problem here...
Cräfty (EUW)
: Don't you think this means that the problem actually comes from the players not doing what they're supposed to do, rather than Evelynn being too good?! ;) Again, I understand that stealthed champions create a unique pressure in the game. But I actually don't mind it that much. It adds a new layers of excitement and thrill to the game. Kinda like when you play vs a {{champion:19}} and you hear his W sound play. I would think: " Oh shit! Is he coming for my booty? ", and it's exciting, tbh. Talking about her dmg. Remember: Evelynn is an assassin! So of course she's gonna snowball out of control if she gets early easy kills. That's how assassins work! But, if no one dies to her early game, she actually becomes one of the worst champions in the game, since she's so item dependant! If people learn to be decent at the game, the Evelynn " problem " that you're talking about should fix itself, tbh. I don't think Evelynn is the problem, I think the players, who constantly die to her easily avoidable ganks, are the problem.
Well, of course the problem comes from the player , if it can be countered as a team it should be able to be countered by clever players. But moralitywise, do you think it is better to balance the game for the best player or for the largest number of players? I know the answer for myself but i won't prented i'm objective. I think that my elo is the medium elo and the game shoud be balanced more towards this elo Also, the difference with Warwick is that he has a visual and sound that creates the thrill. Evelynn doesnt have that. and the fact that she has such an easy to trigger cc as an assassin is , i think, a problem. Old evelynn was just fine without it. It just lacked burst, not cc. And please, do not call her ganks easy to avoid. In soloqueue, they are not easy to avoid at all. But you're right on the fact that if everyone was good she would be useless. IF.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:45:22.465+0000) > > You had the intention to discredit it because i did the board out of a game i lost. Now you're trying to tell me what my intentions are? Are you a mind reader or something? Unlike me, you **literally** dismissed my opinion based on my rank. All I did was post your match history. You'tr trying to play the "Reverse Uno Card" but it doesn't work against me. {{sticker:poppy-wink}} *** > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:45:22.465+0000) > > 2. Trying to back paddle? I owe you no apology, you started with the toxic behaviour. I didn't ask for an apology. Do you know what "back-paddle" means? It means you're trying to go back on what you said before. Let me remind you of the two events: > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:07:26.126+0000) > > here is the reason why you don't have any credit https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Febos Followed by this: > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:24:46.680+0000) > > I was ironically answering to you, sorry if you didnt get it. First you "attack" my rank and then you say you were being ironic. That's what back-paddling looks like. *** > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:45:22.465+0000) > > 3. Your opinion isn't a fact. End of story. If you think that what you think are facts then you should climb down the ego ladder. [League of Graphs](https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/) and [Lolalytics](https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/home/) those are my facts of choice. Where are yours? *** > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=000600000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:45:22.465+0000) > > 4. I don't know what difference you make between broken and overpowered. These are the subtleties of language No, they aren't subtleties of language. Here's a quick example. Post-rework Akali was broken and overpowered; Pre-rework Yorick was broken and underpowered; Lissandra isn't broken and isn't overpowered. The difference is quite simple. A champion is **broken** when their kit is on a much higher (or much lower) level compared to other champions. Yorick, back in the day, was the prime example of that. His kit was broken to the point that they had to nerf him into obscurity. Post-rework Akali had a plethora of tools in her kit, which have been removed over time. If Riot keeps removing big chunks of a champion's kit (and nerfing their numbers), especially after a rework, then it's pretty obvious that they're broken. Generally speaking, broken champions tend to be overpowered, pre-rework Yorick being a notable exception. However, it doesn't work the other way around. A champion can be overpowered while not being broken. A champion is overpowered if their numbers are too high compared to other champions. It has nothing to do with their kit (aka gameplay). For example, Jinx can be considered overpowered right now. She's on top of the "food chain" in every MMR. That said, regardless of how strong Jinx (her numbers) gets, she will never be considered broken. In a nutshell: Broken - kit Overpowered - numbers
Dude, i really do not have the courage to answer to you anymore. You know you are wrong about your toxicity and you still try to argue about it. That's unbelievable for anyone who reads this entire thread. I'll now stop answering to you because all you do is being toxic and patronizing, since you started posting here. Also for the difference between overpowered and broken, you just made it up out of your own perception. The way you define overpowered can also be called broken and the way you define broken can also be called overpowered.
Cräfty (EUW)
: > Yeah but as i say i'm not playing at high elo. I'm a gold player, and i also usually play jungle It doesn't matter if you're iron 4, gold 2, or challenger. The fundamentals of tracking the enemy jungler stay the same! If you play the game correctly, you'll climb much easier. > But when i play on a lane, it's not my responsibilty If you play in a lane, although you'll be focused more on your lane (csing and trading takes some concentration), you still need to pay attention to the minimap and the pings of your teammates. Although it's not your responsibility to track the enemy jungler (even though you could technically help do so by placing a deep ward in the enemy jungle when you have a downtime and doing nothing in lane), it is your responsibility to not die to ganks and feed the enemy team. Sometimes, no one is looking to the minimap for more than 20 sec, Eve shows up briefly on the minimap during that time but no one notices it, and then ganks a lane and gets a kill. If you train yourself to look at the minimap every 5 sec, or so, you'll have a much easier laning phase and a much easier time dodging ganks, even from a stealthed Evelynn. > Should a jungler be respoinsible for the whole game? no. Junglers are responsible for the early game! That's one of our jobs in the first 15 min, or so. Laners need to focus on building leads by csing and out trading/killing their opponents, so they tend to not move far away from their lane pre 15 min. After that, usually laning phase is over and people will have more freedom to move around the map. At that point, they can help the jungler establish more vision around the map, which helps track the enemy team even better.
well, as you say, evelynn requires everyone in the team to be very cautious of the minimap. I think that the amount of pressure she has is way too high because you cannot place your trust in normal wards, but still, you have to play your lane, right? And about the responsibility of a jungler, yes he is kind of responsible for the early. But the early is not where evelynn shines. She gets strong with runic echoes and level 6 and nevers falls off again. I think that all you're saying is right, but even with all that she still can easily snowball. And what you say requires the extraordinary condition that everyone does what you say ie look at the minimap, communicate , place pinks etc.. As i said many times on the board, that is never going to happen in solo queue. But what you're saying is right, and that's why eve is so easy to play against in teams...
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:24:46.680+0000) > > dismissing someone's opinion because he said something out of a game that he lost I didn't dismiss your opinion. I pointed the reason why you called Evelynn "broken". You straight up said "You don't have any credit because OP.GG". Very different things. *** > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:24:46.680+0000) > > I was ironically answering to you, sorry if you didnt get it. You're trying to back-paddle now. How quaint of you. Doesn't work though. *** > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:24:46.680+0000) > > I've had this thought on eve for a long time and this game made me write this board. I see nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with it. You're just wrong, but you can have your opinion all you want. People in Iron think Zed is broken but that doesn't make it true either. Facts > Opinions. *** > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:24:46.680+0000) > > the fact that she has an insane burst that's hard to dodge and unpredictable ganks I'm not going to waste my time explaining why Evelynn isn't broken. Since you're so much better than me, because you're a higher rank, you should be able to understand that alone. I'm just going to say that there's a difference between being "broken" and "overpowered". You figure out the rest yourself.
How patronizing you are. I don't know if you're lying to yourself or just very manipulative. 1. Yes you dismissed my opinion. You had the intention to discredit it because i did the board out of a game i lost. You're wrong 2. Trying to back paddle? I owe you no apology, you started with the toxic behaviour. 3. Your opinion isn't a fact. End of story. If you think that what you think are facts then you should climb down the ego ladder. 4. I don't know what difference you make between broken and overpowered. These are the subtleties of language and you can't hold me accountable for not making a difference between overpowered and broken when i don't even know how you perceive these words. By the way you are also wasting your time trying to win an argument that you cannot win. If you think you waste your time, so be it. I don't think i do. And by the way i don't care being a higher rank than you, i dont think there is any difference to make between gold and silver. I don't care.
Cräfty (EUW)
: Listen mate. As a main jungler myself, let me tell you something that might surprise you! As a jungler, it is my responsibility to track the enemy jungler around the map and ping where he is at all times, to let my teammates know that the enemy jungler is on their side of the map. With good map control and vision, I can even pinpoint the exact location of the enemy jungler, thus negating any surprise ganks or camping. Playing vs {{champion:28}} is no different than, say, playing vs a {{champion:29}} jungle, or {{champion:141}}, for example. These other 2 can also be really obnoxious to play against and seems OP at the surface. But if I do my job as a jungler correctly, I should be able to negate a lot of their strengths, such as their high mobility around the map, for instance. Now, sometimes I'll do my job perfectly and ping the whereabouts of the enemy Eve everytime I know where she is, but my teammates will still die to her ganks (even pre 6). Does that mean she's OP? No, of course not. It just mean that your team ignored your pings and died stupidly. I don't care who you are, if you die to a pre-6 Evelynn gank, especially when your jungler just pinged her location few seconds ago, you're just bad! Same thing with Eve post-6. It's my job to track her down by warding her jungle and any of her prefered spots to walk through to avoid vision. Good supports, sometimes, will also help me establish vision around the map to keep tracking her down, but I don't rely too much on them, I establish my own vision. Remember, she's not stealthed 100% of the time, She's visible while clearing camps or wards, and shortly after. You might think all of this is just extra work that you need to do just because Evelynn is in the game. But in reality, this is what you should do as a jungler EVERY SINGLE GAME you play, regardless of who's the enemy jungler! Map control and vision control are 2 important skills to have as a jungler, and if you fail in establishing these, you'll have a hard time winning even against an {{champion:32}}! So yeah, I don't know why people are crying about her being OP. I mean, sure, she's an AP assassin, what did you expect her damage would be?! Ever seen an {{champion:60}} jungle, mate?! Just grow up and learn the game properly. There is so much information in one game that you need to handle to counter all champions. Evelynn is not OP, she's just too good at punish stupid league players! You know who was really OP and also good at punishing stupid players?! {{champion:120}} and {{champion:421}}, because their damage was actually broken af... and where are they now after the nerfs?! Well, they're still decent jungle picks, not OP, not bad. Eve's kit is fine, and her numbers are fine, for an AP assassin.
Yeah but as i say i'm not playing at high elo. I'm a gold player, and i also usually play jungle. When im jungle i either ban her or master yi and when she's picked i do my best to keep her off feeding herself, jyst like u said. I usually pick lee sin to counter her. But when i play on a lane, it's not my responsibilty. Should a jungler be respoinsible for the whole game? no. EDIT : oh and by the way ofc ive played against an elise jungle. It's nowhere as strong as evelynn at my elo. Ive made a comparison between those two on another post.
Febos (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:07:26.126+0000) > > and here is the reason why you don't have any credit https://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Febos My OP.GG is relevant why? I don't need to be Challenger to tell you why you're wrong. Also, I don't know if you are aware, but dismissing someone's opinion because of their rank is against the rules. *** > [{quoted}](name=minions suck,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rE3LOT45,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2019-07-28T20:07:26.126+0000) > > btw, yeah i started this topic because of this match That's all I need to see. You're butthurt you lost that game because Evelynn got fed. Nuff said.
LOL dismissing someone's opinion because he said something out of a game that he lost but that he thinks anyway might not be against the rules but it doesnt have anything moral to it. In fact, dismissing someone's opinion is not really moral at all and you started it. I was ironically answering to you, sorry if you didnt get it. I've had this thought on eve for a long time and this game made me write this board. I see nothing wrong with it. The enemy team was losing and then evelynn easily fed herself past 6 and solo carried it, out of nowhere but the fact that she has an insane burst that's hard to dodge and unpredictable ganks
Sylaelque (EUW)
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Sylaelque (EUW)
: Her early game really weak, do you know how many games lost because of that? Bad players just whining and giving up then start trolling or leaving the game instead just because I couldn't gank their lane in time. Eve needs a lot of farm to do things you said in above and still she can't finish game because she can't push until her team becomes online. Early game junglers creating higher threat because they are starting with a chance to snowball without items from the start, thats why {{champion:120}} so broken and many players complaining about him.
yeah, she really has to farm her way up to lvl 6 to become something but after level 6 and / or runic echoes , given you didnt get chainkilled in your jungle (wich is easy if you're careful), you will then have a highway to killing any player who's a bit squishy. So of course if your whole team lose you will lose, that's normal. But it would be false to say this happens often. If your team is not made of crybabies then you have big chances to comeback even after a bead early, because you can just cacth enemies so easily
Cräfty (EUW)
: {{champion:2}}, {{champion:421}}, {{champion:113}}, {{champion:254}} and {{champion:19}} are laughing in the distance!
and the rest of the champions are crying. Seriously, this game is not about counter picking. + even though the nemy jungle picks one of these the eve doesnt give a shit she just ganks weak laners like adc or mid. When i say she's broken i'm not speaking about her matchups in the jgl, im saying she has too much strength and pressure in general
: Then ban her if you can't play against her, people have given you advice how to play vs her, learn from it or leave it.
i do. But when i play top for example i have to ban morde. Then someone picks evelynn :) The rare times when i don't ban her she gets picked, and she entirely destroys the game, no matter i won my lane or not, was the one who fed her or not. It's just too strong in soloqueue for 5 players to cautiously avoid feeding her, especially in this quite squishy meta And those pîeces of advice people so kindly give me, i can figure them out myself, thanks. They are useless in soloqueue. EDIT : oh, and sivir does not counter evelynn at all. Her e will make her dodge the spike and then she will eventually get cced by eve's q, else she will have to press r to run out of the trade, which will make it a victory for the evelyyn who will just have to come back later and kill her easily. And if sivir then stays under tower its also a victory for the eve who will just have applied pressure, which is very good
Sylaelque (EUW)
: Just saying you can counter eve and she isn't that broken. :) I can get Plat but I got other things to do so I can't play as often as in before.
i'm not saying the champion itself is broken, as it has some weaknesses, but these weaknesse can really only be exploited in teams. And most people play in soloqueue where she is actually hard to counter, and broken. Let's compare elise and evelynn. Elise is a good champ. Strong early, nice cc, nice burst, nice clear and sustain. Possibility too 100 - 0 someone if she lands her cc. NIce escape / chase Evelynn is all the same, with the only difference that her cc is easy as %%%% to trigger and that she is permanently invisible. That's what makes her broken, when elise is just a strong jungler
Sylaelque (EUW)
: Lol, wish you didn't see my reply cuz I don't want to teach you how but whatever...
oh and by the way, just want for the next people that read the board to know that you edited your first message into an entirely different one that has 0 interest, thinking that you will manipulate people into thinking my reply is dumb you're manipulative and btw you are the one stuck in gold with 500 games
: {{champion:25}} {{champion:412}} {{champion:15}} {{summoner:3}}{{summoner:7}} {{item:3102}} {{item:3140}} {{item:2055}} {{item:3046}} She's squishy af, control wards give her away, piling cc onto her prevents the use of her ultimate, the charm has a delay before it's full effect triggers and like many assassins shes useless when behind.
Unlike many assassins she has a targeted and cheesier burst than all of them, and a hard cc that she will trigger 100percent of the time. Pinks are not enough as u will never be in a game where 5 people buy them, pd and qss are not to be bought until late in the game else you will throw your early, banshee is a solution for ap. Counter picking is not always doable, + you don't counter pick with a champ you don't play
Sylaelque (EUW)
: Lol, wish you didn't see my reply cuz I don't want to teach you how but whatever...
im pretty sure that as an eve main with an eve profile picture you're not even half as objective as you think you are EDIT : i just saw your profile, lol. I bet you think that this average kda on evelynn comes from the fact that you main it. It doesn't. It's just op as f in soloqueue
Sylaelque (EUW)
: Time to get out of bronze and buy some {{item:2055}}
as i said about pink wards they can easily become inefficient. Stopwatch is for ap, and when it is built on ad it is not until at least min 20 Qss, twin shadows, phantom dancer are not the items you do first hexdrinker can be good but its often not sufficient, especially if ur matchupped against an ad Ivern, janna, sylas, kaisai, vi, morgan do not counter eve. They can fight her. The other champs u mentioned kind of counter her. And pretty much the rest of the non tank / bruiser champs in the game fall at a disadvantage goodbye.
: I don't even remember what the old W was. All i remember of it was a movement speed increase.
yeah that's it ! the animation was nice and it was cool for kiting ganking or escaping. the increase was good
: Yeah and she can sneak up behind you while you're in the middle of the lane. Making it impossible to get to tower without confrontation.
i used to play the old evelynn. Her w was great then . i wonder why they removed it, it felt nice and balanced
: time to get the galio out of the dust also the charm has delay, abuse it
i think that even though it has a delay the fact that any ability can trigger it makes it broken. The delay is too short, for example if ur in the middle of your lane in top you wont have time to go to your tower until the heart is full
: So if we ignore everything you said except the fact that the charm is broken, would you consider her balanced if her charm was removed? I think they should remove the broken charm that can be activated by every ability, and instead give her a skillshot that charms. Obviously that would be similar to ahri charm, but it wouldn't be the first and only time riot has recycled abilities.
i think that she would not be broken without the cc, because thus you can instantly move back as she appears on youtr screen, its harder with the cc because she will eventually trigger it anyway and still, you have less reaction time. If the cc does not get removed for something less strong like a slow, at least it should have a smaller triggering window and should be triggerd only biy a skillshot, that is a bit harder to land. That would make the counterplay at least possible
: she's broken but at the same time trash her damage is shit without hitting charm and i think she's the only jungler that can't also be a viable laner
she's quite trash in competitions / teams, since people can communicate on her. But in soloQ i always see her get a huge kda by min 20 and carry the game. Old evelynn was bad, but at least she had no cc. How many assassins do have a cc like this? Not much. Qiyana but its shorter Ekko, shaco noc, but they are not as bursty / easy to snowball with Pyke but he's a support so he will have less damage and will gank less
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Cräfty (EUW)
: TFT: Raptors not giving any items/gold
: It's a game completely based on rng, what did you expect?
Lol, so why didnt they make a poker game instead? Seriously how can you think that the goal of this game is to be rng ? It's called teamfight tactics And in the event that they actually want to make it rng how in hell can it be interesting for LoL players? Luck is already a big winning factor in normal games, no one can want more rng. It's a frustrating thing
Suriin (EUNE)
: Yup, just had a game with Eve. Lack of keystone made me totally useless... Couldn't kill anyone. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576104323805609997/601069876903280667/unknown.png
seems like a fair nerf for evelynn though lol
: Triple iron solari is unlikely to happen often, if u play more and more u will win if ur good at the game and they will patch now every week. Use it until it is weakend.
well for those of us who feel bad about using an item just because it's strong, it is unfair. Nothing deep, but here it can't be just to reward immoral playstyle. Just my opinion.
Silent Note (EUNE)
: I never noticed Iron Solari being an issue. Honestly to me, it feels like one of the weaker items.
it is not : the item itself gives spell damage boost + a shield to all allies over, that is really quite big in last patch the iron solari was very strong, obv it still is now
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