Eambo (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=eZuvYsEr,discussion-id=tmvogPAO,comment-id=002c0001,timestamp=2019-04-14T10:32:10.997+0000) > > I guess you read my tweet then? xD > > Thanks for the update. :-O I missed a tweet?! :-( In better news, we've actually just seen this circuit recover and our metrics are showing pings should be closer to normal! We haven't had confirmation from the provider yet that they're "hands off" which may mean issues could come back, but at time of writing you should notice your ping back to what it was before :-)
hi , I'm from Morocco and the closest server to me is EUW and I play with 79-80+ ping knowing that my internet is very strong (50Mb/s) and I know people having 100mb/s and their ping never drop beside 65-70 and as the guy said in this post , it is really really unfavouring us to people having 15ping just because they live in EUROPE . without mentionning when my familly uses internet as well , it litterally goes up to 100-120 and at this point dodging skillshots is almost impossible . I have a frensh friend , he has weaker internet and still plays with 20ping stable. CAN't we just have a north African server ? there are litterally so much players from this region struggling all from ping issues in EUW. thanks for answering .
: Let me introduce you to my mother!
yo bro , It's all good , you have your mom next to you , you stare at her whenever you want , you have to know how blessed you are that your mother is next to you , I know people that wish they could see their mother . my mom does pretty much the same , you have to live with it , whenever she comes from work , she keeps telling me that I'm an idiot , I stink , I have no life , I'm dumb (sometimes I'm tho xD ) , she orders me to do some stuff that my bigger sister is normally supposed to do , like cleanin the house / the plates .... , I allways be like ''how about if my sister goes to the grocer instead of me ? , how about she takes out the dishes instead of me? '' my dad and sister allways agree with her lol , so I have no one to defend me . but , I know that my mother loves me , cuz by the end , some countries don't have the tradition to express love , I even keep insulting my friends to express my love lol , (bro you are an idiot , you are a noob , you don't know sht , get a life ...) it is really cringy to tell your friend '' I love you bro'' or tell your dad '' I love you '' , sometimes I feel the need of someone telling me this , and I got depressed once thinking I was hated by everyone , my friends felt it , then invited me to launch , they couldn't tell me directly they love me , but I could understand it from the way they treated me that day , and the way the insulted me too lol . so as I said , you have to accept it , if your mom tells you , that you stink , maybe you do , go get a shower , if she tells you , your dumb , tell her she's right , don't argue about it , parents allways think they tell the truth , no matter what , and avoid her when she is angry .
BryDenver (EUNE)
: Alright why tf is everybody arguing over such a stupid topic? Have you all forgotten that {{champion:98}} does max health damage? Against Sion or Malphite he easily wins if you can time your E so they take minion agro. I've had games where I solo killed the jungler and top laner with just a couple of minions, not even under the turret. Yes, I did die along with them but that's just shaco with ignite, cant do anything about that :/ As for the counters that he mentioned {{champion:114}} {{champion:24}} {{champion:31}} {{champion:122}} {{champion:150}} {{champion:17}} {{champion:86}} ,Its not like others top lanes dont lose to them aswell. Probably all of the top laners build either tank or trinity force with hydra. So your max health damage still stands. Also because of your passive refreshing, you can easily win trades if your spirit blade is in the right spot. And if you can't take him top lane, Then just take him as support, He has a great E + Flash combo and can shred other tanky supports. Yes he has hella long cooldowns, But that's because the dash is also a taunt, which is one of the most powerful if not THE most powerful crowd control effects in the game. You can also E from your turret and Flash back to the turret so they get pulled in and take 2-4 turret shots depending on the champion. The reason why he thinks that {{champion:98}} does no damage is because his main form of that said damage is max health. If you think you do no damage, then why the %%%% are you going to fight squishy targets. You're a tank support for %%%%'s sake, Your ultimate is like a teleport but on a lower cooldown. You can take {{champion:98}} top with teleport, Use your ultimate on your adc because they're bat shit %%%%%%ed and teleport back to lane without risking to lose that much farm. Now I do agree that when his Q collides with an enemy they are slowed when running away is kinda useless since when is your sword going to be at such an angle. It should just slow overall. That's the one thing that I agree on. Also his E can go through terrain, meaning that his escapes can be good if he is played on the bot lane. And the reason why Shen Bot is so %%%%ing good, Is because you can pretty much block any attack coming from that annoying draven or caitlyn (no hard feelings to ya'll mains out there, do your thing :] ). And if your opponent is ability based you pretty much think that your w is useless, WELL THATS WHY YOU HAVE A TAUNT! USE IT FOR CHRIST SAKE! Not to mention in a teamfight shen can taunt MULTIPLE champions, allowing the adc and mid laner to do their damage without getting raped by that 13/3 vayne that your jungler fed. And if you don't want to be a support shen but be a top lane shen, Then just build {{item:3115}} {{item:3091}} ,some tanky items and done. you have 90% attack speed, 80% AP and 20% CD so you can literally just taunt, Q through them and just shred them like butter. Not to mention {{item:3115}} 's passive that Basic attacks deal 15 (+ 15% AP) bonus magic damage on-hit. Not to mention with all that AP your shield is even bigger since the less health the guy that ur ulting has the bigger shield he gets. Oh what's that? Can't click on someone who's constantly moving like zed or yasuo? THEN JUST CLICK THEIR ICON ABOVE THE MAP! SERIOUSLY! MOST SHEN PLAYERS DONT EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTS! Overall I do think that Shen is kind of left behind in the dust, Like his Q slow mechanic is useless and such, but he's not NEARLY as bad as you make him out to be.
I have played over 400 games with shen top and over 200 supp , I arrived to a point where I master every point in his kit , and I never miss taunt+ flashes , I know the taunt + flash into turret , I know the option to click ult on the icon over the minimap , I know when to flash+ taunt and when to taunt+flash , I know my damage very well , I've learned everymatchup in toplane , and I could basically tell you that the problem is more on the champion itself than me missplaying , and my biggest problem is with his W , I just find it a very useless ability (not the ability itself , but the ability into his kit leads to no benefits , being attatched to his Q / having such a long cooldown / low durability ) I kept saying that there must be something I do wrong to not be able to easily win everymatchup in toplane , and that's what pushed me to play more and more shen top , I just kept losing lane , over and over , it just felt so bad losing to people with 15 000 mastery points , and not only the lane I kept losing , I allways lose games due to people not knowing how to act when shen ult's , it just feels so bad when you ult someone and he flashes away , when you Q+W to save someone and he runs out of it , believe me playing shen is pain over pain , I just feel a lot more comfortable whether on csing , or on teamfights with other champions that can impact the game themselves and not counting on others to understand you . support shen is a lot weaker than top , he has no poke , no sustain in the earlygame , you have to be almost useless for your adc and survive enemies poke , until lvl 6 , then fly away to another lane , to let your adc die alone inside his tower . that's sadly what shen is. you can check by yourself and see that the best shen players in soloQ can't climb over diamond , maybe you think shen is strong , I respect it , I'm not god at shen , there should be something I could potentially learn , but I just gave up , I think no matter how I practice , things will never get better with him , by the end , Shen is never meant to be played by us , he is designed to be played by pro's , I finally turned into maining ekko , as all the old shen mains did ,
: > bro you the way you talk gives the impression that shen is actually broken , I don’t, what I am talking about that he is extreml strong and well suited to pro play and that’s an issue. Your currently only looking at half the descussion the other half was on his last post I’m just not repeating myself. Every champion should be balanced based on their strenghs, they should be balanced around them being used properly. That’s logical you wouldn’t balance a champion around an off meta build. Problem is that there’s a group of champions who are designed to be played in pro play with a coordinated team, so these champions are innately not good at solo Q... riot still have to balance them around where they should be and therefore champions like shen have to be balanced around pro play, cause in the end riot made him for them not for us. His ult is insanely strong there, hence why he keeps getting nerfs. > if his ult is unfair , how do you explain 45-46% he has Actually read the discussion... I’m talking about if his ult gave invulnerability like the op is asking, that would be unfair. > but his laning is complete trash, you can't even farm undertower because you lack damage Actually his Q gives good under tower last hitting, and his early game is only weak vs fighters and carries... against tanks he’s actually a decently strong lane bully, only issue being that tanks are just as dead as he is at the moment. That’s one of his problems, only his bad match ups are in the meta atm (which has been the case for a while, top lane tanks in general are in a bad spot). > what are his ap scalings? why would RIOT base his abilities scaling with ap ? don't they know that he doesn't build any AP item at all? , do they know that AP shen is more garbage? Because every champion has to have some scaling, that doesn’t mean riot ever expect you to attempt to use them... it’s litterally just for baron buff when you get the bonus stats from that. Look at mundo he scales with ap worse than shen... nobody expects mundo to play ap it’s just so that his W has a scaling. Same here nobody is expecting you to build damage he’s a tank if he’s dealing damage there’s an issue but it means that he doesn’t waste stats from things like baron buff. Lots of champions have useless ap ratios... it’s not a problem. ___ Like I said shen wasn’t designed for us, we aren’t the ones who are meant to play him. Riot shouldn’t try to balance him for us because they can’t, shen would have to loose his ult for him to become a champion for us at which point he ain’t shen anymore. He’s a champion for coordinated play where you’ve got your teammates on voice chat and can play around his ult... at which point it’s one of the stronger ults in the game, because in coordinated play sudden numbers advantage are a big thing (for example put it on a jungler as they engage, sudden 4 man gank). There’s nothing riot can do for shen, not without essentially removing him... shen mains need to either accept this (along with all the other champions designed for pro play like us tahm players) or move on from shen, cause he’s apparently not the champion for you.
seems that I was wrong about what u said , but now that u explained , I agree with you , and I was aware of all what you said , (except for the scalings , which I didn't think of ) . the thing is I'm not asking for a a total rework like kayle's one , I will take it pridely if they rework him , but I'm sure they wont' and I'm ok with that , at least as you said , some champions are not made for soloQ , and that is the exact same reason why I'm not asking for a total rework , the only thing that could fix shen without making him so overpowered is proplay is by fixing his farming , without touching his kit , only by making W do some damage to minions , or make his Q execute minions it travels through (bellow 30%hp) for example . at least make Q do the same damage to minions as to champions , cuz now u could hit a champion with 120 bonus magic damage with Q , while u do only 25-30 ap bonus damage to minions , which is useless. believe me pro players are ROBOTs they could farm undertower with what ever champion they have , it doesn't matter for them if shen has some waveclear or not , they would get all the cs anyways . so that would only fix his cs inlane , to make him playable in low elo , but he would stay weak as he was . at least tahm has a little poke , and some waveclear with his (Spit thing) , he would manage to farm easily undertower , while shen litterally cannot have a perfect farm , unless you are faker , you just can't , I passed hours and hours trying to cs in costom mode undertower , it's just impossible not to miss at least 1 melee and 2 ranged minion each wave. add to it the poke that you get while farming . I just said it , I stopped playing shen in ranked , I only play him as an autofill support , and pray I don't find myself against a hard poking support.
Infernape (EUW)
: Put this on the NA boards. Rioters that aren't called Eambo don't read the EU boards.
I created an account there , but when I open it on Na boards , I can't join boards anymore lol , a white page shows up , written ( you can't join the discussions)
: > In the universe of Taric 5 players become invulnerable for 2.5 seconds. In the same universe Kindred can do the same. What about Lulu that transforms an ally in a raid boss instantly? Soraka healing tons of HP safely from distance. Then we have Tryndamere that is the personification of invulnerability. Same story or Kayle. Taric ult is heavily delayed, you can burst an enemy before the invulnerability hits Kindred ult is only a small area around kindred and also benefits enemies as well Lulu only gives health so no where near invunerable, it’s that combined with the rest of her kit which makes people hard to kill. Trynd is in line for a VGU, he is unhealthy Kayle just got a VGU where her ult took a severe hit (can’t fight back while using it), also more heavily mana gated and range gated. There’s none of these counter plays for shen, anywhere on the map if you tried to do anything shen can ult to ruin the fight, thats unfair and would make shen become a massive issue, you’d be looking at him getting gutted completely for it. > What's the immediate effect of Shen R? What’s the immediate effect of teleport... because that’s what shen has. Teleport is a near must have for top laners, during the laning phase it allows you to turn any engagement into a numbers advantage for you, even if they disengage they’ve used their long cooldowns to do so and if it was their own gank or engagement then they’ve wasted their time and created an advantage for your laner. Later on in the game you can split push and still turn up to team fights allowing you to turn fights into 4v5s easily. That’s the power of shen ult... it’s not a shield, hell like I said he could prob even loose the shield entirely, it’s the fact that he gets a free teleport... a summoner which is easily the second strongest in the game only losing to flash. The ability to be omnipresent Is a massive advantage and proper utilisation of teleport separates ok top laners from great top laners... being able to have a teleport on his ult on top of your own teleport is huge. And yeah you might loose stuff, again exact same risk as teleport yet that’s still mandatory isn’t it... exact same strenghs and weaknesses. But you’ve now got a numbers advantage on the other side of the map so you can push another tower or take a dragon or rift herald. The enemy laner will either have to trade objectives or follow you with a teleport. Your focusing way too much on the shield, that’s not the strong part of the ult... it’s the teleport... and being good at using that has always been a hallmark of a good top laner. > Making the target of your R invulnerable would provide more entertaining team fights since your target, allies and enemies need to react in seconds. Right now most of the times no one is really scared of Shen coming. And even if you're scared just focus Shen target to pulverise that 175 shield in 1-2 autos in less than 1 second while I'm still channeling. Actually it’d create a less entertaining teamfight... not only does shen create a numbers advantage but he can make someone invulnerable then nobody is going to fight... why would anyone engage onto a target when that target will be made invulnerable and you will loose the fight... the game would stagnate and become boring. That’s exactly why shen got nerfed in pro play from just the teleport aspect, adding a kayle ult onto that would make it stagnante solo Q as well as pro play. > You should make the same assumptions for Shen blade. Laning against Zed requires you to keep track of his shadows. Same goes for Heim, Azir, Maokai (...) you constantly need to invest a ward in a bush before face-checking it otherwise you're dead or punished. I don't get how Shen blade should work differently considering its clunky mechanics, the risks it takes repositioning it, the not so awesome damage it provides. Actually I find more useful the very weak slow effect it provides. But shen doesn’t hide his in brushes, he hides his out of the screen, can’t ward against it when it’s past his 1st tower can you. And it works differently because it outright works diffierently... it’s all about dragging the ability to you, where as the others place them down and leave them... the only one who works somewhat similar is azir with his E but no azir player ever hides his soldiers. Why should other abilities have the same indicator as shen sword when they don’t even remotely work in the same way.
bro you the way you talk gives the impression that shen is actually broken , while his winrate shows the opposite , if his ult is unfair , how do you explain 45-46% he has ? as one of the worst toplaners as well as supports ? , yes probably his ult is strong , and can provide really good teamfights , but his laning is complete trash, you can't even farm undertower because you lack damage , you need to freeze the wave out of tower range and survive enemy poke , you don't have any wave clear ( the worse in game ) even taunt doesn't do damage to minions , as well as a useless W , I agree blocking autoattacks ''COULD'' be useful against aa based champions (useless inlane against ability champions) but why in the name of god is it attatched to his Q , like how would I benefit from it to save my ally without going to his melee and die with him , what are his ap scalings? why would RIOT base his abilities scaling with ap ? don't they know that he doesn't build any AP item at all? , do they know that AP shen is more garbage? I bought the champion because I liked his design ,fed with him at first , spammed normals , till I mastered him , (300K +) went to ranked , lost all my games with him , why ? well my teammates don't know what his W does , even if they do , it lasts for only 1 autoattack , or 2 against an attackspeed hypercarry , they dissengage when I ult = wasted tp , the problem is not only with my teammates , I allways go bad on Cs due to the problem I mentionned , get dove by enemy meta toplaners (Riven , yorick , fiora , renekton , yasuo) get killed in a fraction in lane , get kited to death in teamfights with his (worst tanky stats ever in a tank) and many more . conclusion , if you want to climb low elo , never play the actual shen , now I'm learning meta toplaners like all smart people do .
RayleighTT (EUNE)
: you didn't bought enought skins ;))
Kian987 (EUW)
: Shen (8th attempt in 3 years)
SAME here , shen main , posted plenty of times , I get a lot of comments but not a single RIOTER could give a real answer , that's sad , I quit playing him .
Rioter Comments
Haze97 (EUW)
: I AM playing Jax and Fiora. And doing fairly well on them tbh. I also take a lot of towers each game but then when it's late game it's surprising that people do not think twice before throwing a game away. I'd have teammates who would jump into a 1v3 without thinking twice, people who would rather chase the opposite team across the jungle instead of taking an open inhib (which I usually aim for but at times get caught off guard), and people who have zero knowledge on how to create map presure. At times you get AMAZING teams but after a few successful games the game matches you with such braindead monkeys who die back to back and if you've played the game you'd realize every death late game means giving up a potential teamfight/tower.
I can understand how frustrating it is to win lane and lose game because the allies are feeding . and yes as many people said there are some games that are just unwinable , but , this is also what makes people lose their games , in low elo , every game could be winnable , I'd say like (85% of games are winnable , it happened to me sometimes that I won 5-30 games , the trick here is to , give your teamates hope , things like ''I carry '' or '' stop dying please'' will never solve anything , people usually seem to be like '' this game is over , I'm feeding , let's ff or I'm gonna feed more '' , I tend allways to give my teamates hope , like fill them with hope , if you kill someone in a team fight go like 'what a play, you guys are monsters , gj '' and then follow it up by an advise like , let's group bot and I split top '' , allways giving your teammates hope with make them trust you , and follow what you are telling them , if you go like .'' pls group bot , I split top '' , they just won't , because they won't understand , they would think that they should win the game by themselves and not a stranger telling them what to do , everyone tries to 1V9 his games , and gets super frustrated when he loses his lane , he loses hope in game , then start dying frequently and wishing for the game to end . also try to snowball as much as you can, look for picks , get vision in the jungle , wards are so important , to make your team avoid facechecking and getting picks , winning game is not by winning lane , that's why I told u to play ranked as a duo with a jungler , this way he can camp you to secure winning lane easily then , start roaming with him as ''double ganks'' to secure kills'' , also a thing that I notice a lot is that when people are ahead they don't give teammates kills , when you see that a teammate is not that bad , then try to give him some kills . but more importantly , never play a champion under 100 k mastery points , this way you know all matchups , and understand your champion damage / weekness , also dodge games when you have bad matchups . that's all I can say , good luck
Haze97 (EUW)
: It is next to impossible to carry most low elo teams.
you have two choices to climb , either master a split push champion like ( trynda / nasus / yorick ) get demolish , and run it down their inhibs . or / and duo with a jungler and tell him to camp u (while playing a snowball champion (riven , yasuo , zed , kata) or be the friend and duo with someone as a jungler
A1A3A2 (EUNE)
: Heal is the only good thing about him otherwise it's useless champion easily countered.
his ultimate , his fear , also his Q follows Tp's , for example if someone uses tp and u Q him you will go with him to where he is , same works with shen's ult , and as I said W is the most broken thing in his kit , just the fact that you can sense low health enemies and get yourself free kills is broken enough
noobitup (EUW)
: SHEN's W doesn't block new kayle's autoatacks
here's the link of where the action exactly is : https://youtu.be/tGkIrBLCwGY?t=14
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: There's an option to time stamp the actual URL. When you're watching the video, you click on the curved arrow icon underneath the video, then select the start point, tick the box and copy that link that is given in the little box.
ur right I didn't know that thx
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: You could time stamp the video, I'm not watching the whole thing.
I mentionned where it was exactly (0,14)
Shamose (EUW)
: We'll have to wait and see what happenes. Old Kayle indeed had her E effects blocked there. But knowing champion designers they'll probably bullshit an exception for the sake of innovation.
I hope they won't , shen vs kayle is already hard af
Shamose (EUW)
: It blocks the intial AA but not the wave effect that follows.
normally it should block it . no? as it was blocking the effect following the old kayle autoattacks
Rioter Comments
Shamose (EUW)
: It's hard to buff Shen without making him OP in pro play, so they are being careful with that. But does Zed really need a VU? Maybe update his effects like they are doing for Riven and have done for Gragas and kennen. I don't see why he needs a full update though.
yeah that's the excuse RIOT gives , but it's not that bad to have a champion that gets picked often in proplay , don't you think so ? like camile and sion I mean look at Sion , he is so tanky , he could splt and join team with his ult , same as shen does but with more tankiness and better scalings :) for the zed I didn't say he needs a full Update , he probably could have a visual update , but as u said it's a great idea to update only his effects .
Rioter Comments
PsychoWhite (EUNE)
: Yes yes! I picked Shen up when he got reworked. Used to love him. I remember 3v1 in a Yasuo a Zed and a Varus back in the day. He was so fun and totally fair to play against. Unfortunately Shen isn't popular. I helped a friend climb to gold by supporting her with Shen, back in ardent meta when everyone would play Lulu and karma and I would just delete those supports at lvl2 with E and Q. As for the Azir matchup, farming is so difficult and exhausting against a good(over 20 games) Yasuo player. Since every time he gets in my face after dashing I have to be careful. I haven't played the matchup for a year or so I guess. I always ban Yasuo, but I remember that he's pretty annoying. Which also raises the question, why am I wasting Mana and try so hard to cs perfectly when I can just play Yasuo and cs perfectly without being afraid of Mana and also having the easiest csing kit in the game. AA combined with low CD Q and damaging E makes it so that I always farm better with Yasuo than with other champs at the first levels. Don't think they'll every give resource to Yasuo, remember when they wanted to five a resource bar to Riven that she had to stack? Riven mains went crazy like "I can't one shot everyone and show my alphaness with this shit, I need all dmg unlocked, now, I'm alpha 1v1 me"
yeah that actually sucks , and Riot has to keep yasuo that strong for his huge fan base to sell skins sadly
PsychoWhite (EUNE)
: Why does Yasuo always get stronger with every Crit update?
yo , I just posted two days ago about limiting yasuo by energy , mana or at least rage , to stop his trading 24/24 7/7 since a lot of champions have to back to reload every 5 mins while yasuo only backs for items or after a very (bad) fight , since good yasuos never lose 1V1's or a jungle gank. as a shen player , he is the brother of azir when it comes to getting nerfed in everysingle patch since his rework 3 years ago , he used to be a counter to yasuo , but now he is a piece of walking trash , his Q damage to minions was reduced to the ground , imagine now that you can't cs a mage minion after a tower hit before lvl 9 I guess ,and his Q slow was reduced to 15% lvl 1 , now no one knows that shen's got a slow in his Q at all . all that because he was picked a couple of times in proplay and has a lot less winrate than some champions like Sion and Camille . I guess now playing azir into yasuo is a little possible in lane since azir can farm from far away and knock him to his tower once he dashes to him , but playing shen into yasuo/riven/irelia Is just completely tragic , it's like fighting with naked hands someone with a shotgun. very huge like to your post
: Well I agree with you but not completely. The thing is that there should be some resource for him to use, but actually Yasuo is a champion with such a hard to balance kit and any small change can make him OP or unplayable. If you ask me, Garen and Aatrox should get something like mana or energy much more then Yasuo. Irelia main here btw, and with mana spending champion you can still shiit on those manaless champions if u do it right way.
There should be a way I guess , nothing is impossible for human brain . It's just that riot needs to be aware of that , and spend some time on it .
xTigax3 (EUW)
: Any Juggernaut, {{champion:24}} {{champion:54}} {{champion:78}} {{champion:19}} {{champion:131}} beat yasuo easily, also there are quite some interesting counters to yasuo, like: {{champion:16}} every time he dashes you get enough time to land your Q making you win all trades if he dashes towards you use E to get a confirmed root and a Q as well as basic attacks in for free. {{champion:43}} spam empowered W and only use Q in close range, he can't do anything to you {{champion:40}} you win level 1 hard, level 2 you can push the wave and get wave control forcing him to play on the backfoot as he cant trade into your shield + wave while getting cc'd so his escape slows down, if he windwalls your basic attacks you get free clear or free counterattack if he trades you, you can let him ult you at 6 while charging up a tornado at the last second knocking him up once he lands from ult and then ult him into your tower if you freeze, easy to pull off once you get the hang of it
I understand how juggernauts work against him but what do you do when playing a support champion , do you let gim push the wave or do you walk for cs with the risk of him dashing to you through minions?
: He pushes "too" well opening up opportunities to gank so I don't see why he needs to be changed at all, adjustments are needed after crit rework but apart from that just l2p. And you only play Normal games which do not give you any qualifications to talk about game balance, HOWEVER, since this is an OPINION based post I am assuming you don't think that these changes would be 100% beneficial to the game so I won't take it too seriously.
This doesn't mean anything . I'm sorry . What you are saying is a champion is not overpowered if he pushes well because he can get ganked ? And you assume that in my oppinion I don't think that the changes that I proposed would be beneficial ? Can you please precise , I'm I wrong or not ? And please don't underestimate me because I spam normals currently . Thx
A1A3A2 (EUNE)
: I just tried to play warwick today..
warwick is the best jungler in this season , he is so tanky , his W passive and active are so broken , you can spot enemies with low health hidden in bushes you can chase them with your speed , you can tank so much damage and heal with your Q , your E gives you so much tankiness and fears people in zone + you can clear jungle so fast , you don't need a leash at lvl 1 , you can 1V1 every jungler in the game , and don't expect warwick to oneshot people with his Q , he is not an assasin , I personally think warwick deserves a nerf because now playing against a warwick is a nightmare. just watch some youtube bro , quick tips to play him : start on blue to get mana regen , to spam Q on camps , play so aggressive early and look to take your enemy jungler camps , you don't have to worry about meeting the enemy jungler you can just kill him , just don't get yourself cought in 1V2's , when you have your ult try to cc the most fed enemy in team fights . allways press E and W before you gank any lane to get your fear and the speed on . as for the build : IF you are ahead get tiamat then titanic hydea if an ad enemy is fed build armor , if an ap enemy is fed build Magic ressist . never dive low health enemies unless you are sure they don't have flash / or escapes / or mana and that you are tanky enough to tank some towershots . there are a lot of champions that deserve buff , but warwick is not one of them
: A counter to yasuo? malph,rammus, champs with high mobility/wave clear to limit his dashes/champ with alot of stuns. Not too hard to counter an average yasuo player,but if you get an advantage on him,bully him. If he gets full build doesn't mean it's lost, CCs are your best friend,just think about what you are doing and what you should do. Ah you should learn on how to farm with AutoAttacks because if you always ran out of mana it's because you are not used to farm with aas. This is obviously my personal opinion so if you disagree with me feel free to say it. Sorry for my not perfect english and have a good day :D.
I understand that in game I don't have to 1V1 yasuo most of the times I just have to let him push and farm undertower , there are some good champions to 1V1 him I guess , for example I can just pick kayle and block his ult or jayce and knock him back when he dashes into me , or maybe just farm safely with ranged autoattacks , this is not my main issue , the problem is when I 1V1 a friend or someone in the ARAM map , it's just impossible , I quickly run out of mana and then it's lost . I do a little better with energy champions like zed or akali , but still his passive blocks my poke , and his dashes are fatal . I remmember the only time I've beaten a good yasuo 1V1 was with the old Shen xd before his nerfs , I just kept taunting him into my tower and blocking his aa's , but I think I can't do it agains't a better yasuo player , since then I just get distroyed in 1V1's , as you said a good yasuo player is unbeatable no matter how good is the one facing him , this is what seems a little bit unbalanced for me . btw your english is better than mine obviously xD .
: I see where you are coming from but Riot would need to be careful. The aim would be to reduce Yasuo's effectiveness without changing his playstyle. Just slapping a mana or energy bar onto him would (in my opinion) fundamentally change his playstyle.
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: What is your dream team (champion-wise)?
THIS team is straight up unbeatable {{champion:98}} {{champion:80}} {{champion:3}} {{champion:21}} {{champion:497}} heavy engage / cc + 3 tp ULTs , shen and galio 5 men taunts , Rakan group charm + mf GROUP ult , I imagine a fight around baron
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: I quit reading when a global shield+TP is the same as a skill shot shield.
when you play supp and u ult your adc , you tp to where you were , and you waste your time channeling while lux can ult multi targets twice without channeling , this is what I meant and that was why I said shen supp is a waste of the champion kit
VIT Laati (EUNE)
: I quit reading when a global shield+TP is the same as a skill shot shield.
when you play supp and u ult your adc , you tp to where you were , and you waste your time channeling while lux can ult multi targets twice without channeling , this is what I meant
Rioter Comments
: The damage and wave clear part is right but the worst stats part is quite exaggerated don't you think? I don't think anyone plays him top as well, he became more of a support than top laner...
I'm not exagerating you can check it by yourself ^^ , and shen is a garbage support in this meta since he is an all in supp and he get poked like hell by meta supports + in botlane he doesn't get that much gold to build properly and as I said his base stats is trash so all his tankiness comes from his itemisation, imagine playing against lucian and brand , should he go for mr or armor? if you build armor brand will shredd you and vice versa , also I think there are some supports with the same playstyle but more effective , aka leona .
: 1) Urgot would like to disagree. He wins most matchups into conqueror users without taking the rune himself. But then, urgot wins basically every matchup. 2) How is it a problem if tanks lose lane? They have a gigantic teamfight presence, more than any bruiser could ever hope to achieve. They have obscenely high base damage, which means they often deal more damage while building full defense than champs who actually buy offensive items, due to defensive items being way more efficient than damage items early in the game. Tanks need to have weak points other than "welp, just beg you reach 50 minutes where you can maybe think about considering to fight this guy in the split push without getting instantly two shotted". Conqueror provides just that weak point. OR of course you nerf tanks' base damage across the board while giving them more survivability so they can actually be what they were supposed to be.
SHEN is a tank , he got worst base damage than all bruisers , less damage when building tank items , 0 wave clear , worst base stats (armor , mr , hp ) an irelia lvl 0 has more hp than shen lvl 1 and so are most bruisers , and finally shen loses most , if not all matchups , and can't farm undertower due to his nefed Q so he is obliged to build tiamat instead of sustain items , and on his lore shen is based on balance , (welcome to the balance ) :D
Ðouble B (EUW)
: Yasuo main here! Yasuo is a skill-based champ. this means that, of you are good with him, you can basically kill anyone, but if you are new to him, you will pretty much int whole game. Now i understand why you think his passive and wall are overpowered. But these abilities are easily baitable. just autoattack once and you destroy his shield, and you can bait the windwall by, for an example, throwing 1 ability out. alot of yasuo mains or yasuo players will want to block the damage by windwalling. due to the high cooldown on the ability, you can do an all-in after the wall runs out. In your example you were playing annie. i do not understand how you did not win. yes, annies abilities are mostly projectiles and blockable by the windwall, but your cooldowns are not high at all, which means that after he uses it, you can throw everything you got at him. what makes annie such a threat to yasuo is the huge range advantage you have, and the fact you have a stun and a huge fking bear slapping the shit out of him. What i am trying to say is, good yasuo players are perfectly capable of winning against an annie, but annie players are perfectly capable of killing yasuo aswell. you just gotta know how to play against him. just autoattack to break his passive, and try baiting his windwall by poking continiously.
yasuo is a counter-mage ^^ in a fight between a good yasuo and a good annie , yasuo will win , his dashes are very scary and annie should play far behind to avoid an all in from yasuo , basically he can dash twice into the wave and the poor annie is dead , she does have her stunn to counterplay that , but good yasuo's don't use their windwall unless annie has her four stacks , so they block her stunn and she is dead :) , yes yasuo is kinda broken right , his pickrate is high , his ban rate is high in all elos , he is a counter to a lot of champions , he can play 3 roles ( top mid and bot , and counters all botlaners ) now and I think a nerf might be a good idea ^^ also I forgot to mention that he has only few counters ( akali , mordekaiser , kayle ) .
Murdarici (EUNE)
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Rioter Comments
: This is actually false rofl, shen rn if played properly can dish out good damage with Q and after that a good E+Q can chunk most laners
I think what I wrote was clear enough , but Imma say it again , I'm not complaining about Q damage to champions but to minions cuz now you can't cs casters after towerhits until lvl 11 and/or Tiamat.
: They nerfed his Q to be exactly as you described so it was 100% intended, but yeah.. my mastery points stood as they were ever since, I'd love to get my Shen back but nah, I'm not touching him in that state, Rito can suck a D lol.
really feelsbad man , I hope that proplayers get their own nerfed shen while they revert the old Q in soloQ xd lol
: Does Darius, Irelia or Garen gain an ultimate that changes the course of a fight though? HIs Ult is %%%%ing massive - he's not just fighting for himself - you can't reasonably argue that he's a 1v1 laner with that ult. So maybe, just maybe - don't compare him to actual laners. You can't have that kind of ult + having a reasonable 1v1 laning phase. You just can't.
bro u missunderstood everything ^^ , first thing if you read properly you'll notice that I'm Talking about his cs , I ain't asking for increasing his 1V1 , I know that his ult is strong , but that being said if shen has a weak 1V1 in lane then he will be pushed to his tower , and while he's pushed to his tower he doesn't have enough damage to kill minions after towerhits , so what we are asking for is some sort of farming ability on Q or at least , increasing his q Damage so that I can farm underturret, the thing is , his early game is so confusing in the current meta , it's either you rush tanky items not to die in lane and have 20 farm in 10mins , or you get a tiamat to farm and increase your ad damage to minions and get blown up under your tower while the enemy laner scale correctly with his easy farming abilities and a free lane against shen ^^ . I hope you understood . if not go training mode pick shen , wait for wave to come across tower and try to cs .
: > [{quoted}](name=noobitup,realm=EUW,application-id=jeJYsmwG,discussion-id=3dAx0ydB,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-30T14:05:41.501+0000) > > what if his E was a frontflip now that's a neat idea
Cryptidian (EUNE)
: Can you please disable Xerath from ARAM
the most unfair champion is the whole game is this {{champion:157}} and this{{champion:3}} end
: Mhmm, that is the main reason I fell out of playing Shen. His farming is fine when you're not pushed into your tower, but in too many match ups that happens and it's just frustrating missing cs simply because he is so Item dependent in his farming. It's just not fun when Riot removed the bonus damage to no champions (which scaled off of the ability's level) with a based damage scaling off your overall level... and then nerfing the base damage to nonexistence like honestly wtf is 5 based damage per hit between level 1-3? Thank god Nautilus' farming is still pretty reliable, sure he's not really meta as a top lane pick anymore but at least he can farm very well under tower and doesn't need Tiamat to actually push the wave.
Infernape (EUW)
: > [{quoted}](name=Doom emissary,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=VjL3XOEH,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-30T16:28:46.925+0000) > > Then I guess the problem comes from you having trouble to last hit and deal with your lane opponent {{sticker:sg-lux-2}} Shen cannot last hit with his Q under turrets until he nearly maxes it and/or gets a Tiamat/Hydra. Riot messed with the base damage on it. The way his kit is, he naturally gets pushed under turret by the meta top laners.
: Then I guess the problem comes from you having trouble to last hit and deal with your lane opponent {{sticker:sg-lux-2}}
before I answer you you can pick shen and go training mode and cs undertower , don't miss any cs , then imagine this with a teemo in your lane :) I get 200 cs + with ekko irelia jayce mf everygame.... and I have mastery 7 at them but with shen it is 90 in 20 mins then I start csing well when I get hydra
: It's not the biggest buff of course. That much is clear. It might not sound like a lot but buying it sooner means that you're stronger earlier in the game and you can also use that gold for the next item.
sure but I would struggle for getting the gold to buy it in early game anyway so :x
: They were talking about the reduction of the cost of {{item:3068}} which is something he will benefit from. And they did that in 9.2 .
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