: if your team has 4 champions picked and a bad comp it's you that fucked up, not the support. Also, a tanky support can't be a frontline alone anyway, so why not pick something with disengage to at least be able to stop the enemy bruisers from just running over the 4 carries.
You can pick whatever you want, but you can also lose the game for that. Pick Vel'Koz into a Blitzcrank if you want and then blame not being able to carry as support. I personally hate people that picks whatever they want instead what the team needs.
: Position in ranked doesn't really determine your skill level if you don't play it 24/7.
pistachio (EUW)
: maybe his mechanics suck? (like mine). doesnt mean he cant think.
He clearly doesn't know what hes talking about.
: > [{quoted}](name=tru3nox,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=walLr5gb,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2016-05-09T01:42:27.175+0000) > > So if my teams has 0 tanks and our last pick is top/jungle/support better don't tell them to pick one... lel > > Edit: If you don't wanna ""sacrifice your steady climbing potential"" don't play support and choose between other two roles. > If you play support because you like it and can't climb it's because you're bad. exactly. Support tank is still a supportive tank and not a frontline tank exept for alistar. If the other 4 people did not pick a tank they have to have accepted that there is not going to be a frontline. And it usually happens that they did not prepick anything while they knew from the beginning what i wanted to pick, then they pick teemo top out of nowhere as 4th and say: pick a tanky support. Cmon dude. You are not seriously telling me a support has the same carry potential as a toplane bruiser or a high damage midlane, are you? I mained mid before i switched to support, and even if bot and top lost lane, and the jungle didn't have much impact on the game, i carried games with charm picks on ahri or just killed people zhonyad and escaped to be ready for anther one to kill on fizz. Even as the only player with strenght on my team i had the options to basically win the game pretty much by myself, just draggin the team behind me. And that is because i have all the tools, i have ways to start a fight, i have the damage to win it and i usually have something left to get out or reposition till another spell rotation is up. As a support i lack some of these options, and i did decide games with great bard ults and double binds, and similar things with other supports, but the success rate is much lower. As a support i see an opportunity, make the play, and hope my team reacts in time or even saw the opportunity, and then i have to hope they play it to the full potential of the situation. As a laner with all the tools myself, i see the play, make it and i obviously know exactly what i had in mind when i made the play so i know exactly what to do with the opportunity i created.
In this game you won't be able to carry every single game. If all lanes fail and you're playing well you probably have 90% chance of losing that game in any role. Also with an aggresive support you can make picks and carry the game. >As a support i see an opportunity, make the play, and hope my team reacts in time or even saw the opportunity, and then i have to hope they play it to the full potential of the situation. As a laner with all the tools myself, i see the play, make it and i obviously know exactly what i had in mind when i made the play so i know exactly what to do with the opportunity i created. So you're saying if you play mid or ADC you don't need a team? That's not how it works.
: > [{quoted}](name=Rismosch,realm=EUW,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=walLr5gb,comment-id=000400030000,timestamp=2016-05-08T21:39:01.203+0000) > > Definetely not. Every role has different difficulties. The things that a Midlaner has to do is way different than the things a Toplaner has to do. No role is more difficult than another. They are all difficult in their own way. > > Also, no role is more important than another. All of them are equally important. i'd say support is the hardest role for a few reasons. 1. You always have to account for at least 2 players. it's so rare that you can make a play by yourself so you have to look at your teamamtes positioning, keep their health and movement as well as yourselves in mind and adjust everything you do according to them. and in fights depending on the enemies teamcomp and how many tools they have to dive the adc, you have to keep track of so much more then anyone else in your team. 2. As an initiating support or tank you often have to run back and forth between front and backline in a teamfight, switching between cc'ing for your team, or disrupting and soaking damage and peeling for your carries, you don't have a set role and task and have to adjust and switch more then other roles. Not to say that other roles wont peel for carries, but of you, it's required and your adc will notice mistakes and often enough let you know. 3. Map awareness on support is more important then other roles(exept jungle maybe), with up to 2 people with cc to prepare ganks against your lanes, and top tp on top of the usual jungle ganks (sometimes even mid tp) you are the most succeptible lane to get ganked, and since so many adc's really tunnelvision on last hitting and harassing, the safety is all on you. So in neutral scenarios you too have to keep track of more then other roles.
A silver saying support is the hardest role. When you hit master you will be able to talk about that. To me you're like a new player saying Ashe ADC with TP is the best choice because you can reach lane faster. Bullshit.
Rismosch (EUW)
: > Support is in my view the hardest role. Definetely not. Every role has different difficulties. The things that a Midlaner has to do is way different than the things a Toplaner has to do. No role is more difficult than another. They are all difficult in their own way. Also, no role is more important than another. All of them are equally important.
Well, on mid and adc you pretty much rely on good mechanics or you will suck.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fang,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=walLr5gb,comment-id=00090000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-09T00:34:38.963+0000) > > We can always disagree. I think it's "harder" to play ADC than support, because you're so dependent on your laning partner in order to get ahead, particularly vs aggressive lanes that'll force you out. If the enemy support zones you while yours does nothing, how do you adapt? If you're a support with an ADC that does little, you can zone them off or protect. You're much better off as a support with a bad adc, than as an adc with a bad support. Supports don't rely on CS for gold in-come. > You aren't expected to have different kind of styles, as your main job is just to support. You're assisting the entire team in different ways depending on what's going to benefit them, but early in the game you'll mostly be in a lane with someone else. Warding, helping your ADC cs / zone, peel, set up kills if possible, avoid death on enemy ganks, roam alone or with jungler. > > Your pick isn't up for debate, but if you think the ADC should pick differently due to the support - the assistance - then where is the support? Just don't doubt that you can win with whatever ADC, as long as you know how to play your champion and enable your lane partner / team, it really doesn't matter. > > If you only play support, try to play ADC as well. You get a different perspective of things once you've done so for 100+ games. Your role is important, but the guy playing the carry will be the one doing the damage in the end, not you. If you want to win, you'll want the person who's going to deal the damage to play his main, and enable him. You can stick with your comfort picks even so. :P I used to play adc. I switched to main every role for a while over the course of my time with league. What i remembered well is that i could not deal much damage if they just flashed in on me and killed me in fights. The adc gets carried in lane, and later protected in teamfights by the support. Even as a bad adc, if your support peels well for you you will be able to auto attack and do your job. If your support initiates well you barely have to worry about anything cause their team is already scattering and can't even think of turning around on you. The better your support is, the less you have to reposition and the more damage you'll be able to deal. The supports contributions to teamfights are in no way less important and impactful then the adc's. As a support every assist makes a huge difference. There is a lot of pressure on you to make plays and get assists to get the items that impact the game. Support items are fairly cheap but impactful so every bit of money counts. And as a tank support you are absolutely lost without some items that are much more expensive then items for ranged supports. As adc it is much easier to have a bad support because you have money litteraly crashing into your tower where you can safely pick it up while a support has to risk his skin for every bit of spellthieves money. Relic executes also barely gives anything, but you always risk getting poked and need pressure from the adc to safely pick it up. And you can't imagine the fun being behind on levels as a support with no items but having to go into the dark to put down wards. You better hope you won lane and have enough levels to at least get time to flash out if a leblanc or a fizz jump you while you try to ward while the adc safely stays in lane picking up all the cash that litteraly walks into his open arms.
Mid and ADC are the hardest roles. An ADC can't just get carried in lane if he doesn't know how to farm and how to trade properly. If you're a bad ADC you won't be able to position well enough and kite properly so you will die in teamfights even with supports peel. And you can't imagine the fun being behind on levels as an ADC with no items dealing 0 dmg. If you go to ward like that is 100% your fault, not the roles fault. I don't blame you, you're silver, but don't come to the forums to trashtalk without having any idea of the game. Not saying that ADC or Support are more or less important, you just don't know what you're talking about.
: > [{quoted}](name=Fang,realm=EUNE,application-id=NzaqEm3e,discussion-id=walLr5gb,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-05-08T15:45:29.575+0000) > > If you believe you sacrificed your climbing potential, are you even supporting? If you don't like playing support, then don't pick it when you queue up. Just because you play a role that's less wanted, doesn't mean you get to act spoiled. You should co-operate with your team, not work against them. > If people ask me to play Thresh, I simply say I can't. I tell people that I'm mediocre with x champion, but much better with another though (example). > When I played ADC alot, I highly prefered playing with aggressive Thresh / Braum players. I couldn't play comfortably with Janna / Soraka players. Ironically, Janna is my most played now. 3 seasons ago it was Leona, now I barely remember how to play her, but I've picked Braum/Nautilus on occasion since then. Those are my tanky / aggressive alternatives. > Don't get mad at people for telling you what to play - they might just be uncomfortable with your pick, or think the one they have in mind would fit your team better. Of course LCS / streamer sheep exist too, but it's seldom the case in my experience. Not everyone asks nicely, but that goes for other roles as well, especially top lane. > If you want to support, give your team choices. Don't try to guilt trip them with how you sacrificed your climbing potential, that's plain wrong for more than one reason.. > > Edit; I'm not saying you always have to pick what others ask you to, but listening / asking why they want you to pick something else doesn't hurt. i think you misunderstood my post, i'm not saying that i play what i wan't and you have to adjust to it, i am saying that the opposite is happening. Everyone thinks their role is much more important then support. They want to play damage so you have to tank and you cannot dare to suggest to do it the other way around because obviously, top and jungle are more important. and they should get to play what they want while you have to have a huge champion pool to complete the team however needed. Same for adc, your adc feels like playing vayne and you want to play bard? you better prepare to spam shrines and wait until you have to keep her safe with your cc, cause that adc will never pick something you could create plays for, cause they make the rules, you are just supporting and better adjust to their whims, yours are not important. There has not been a single game where an adc adjusted to my support pick but every day i play i face questions like: Can you play braum for the lucian braum combo? Don't play bard, i don't like him, or: Can you play something tanky? cause i really don't trust that you have any skill so at least play something that makes it a bit harder for you to feed MY lane.
Everyone = Low elos. Everyone above d2 knows supports are very important.
: Agree. I remember once I was laning with a Kog and we already had a tank top and jungle. I wanted to play Brand support because I like Brand and he's one of my main mid picks. He ended up flaming me because I didn't go tank and even wanted to report me at the end of the game even though we had a good game. I went 0/1 and Kog went 11/1. I don't mind playing tanks but when I always play tanks top or Jungle myself as I don't like playing the carry types in those lanes I don't want to force myself in to a tank all the time as support.
It's not all about the tanks, Brand isn't a good pick with a Kog, specially with a silver one that doesn't know how to position.
: Do not tell supports what to play
So if my teams has 0 tanks and our last pick is top/jungle/support better don't tell them to pick one... lel Edit: If you don't wanna ""sacrifice your steady climbing potential"" don't play support and choose between other two roles. If you play support because you like it and can't climb it's because you're bad.
: I'm sorry but I'll have to say this ban seems justified. Let me explain why. Most of the things you said had not a good impact in the game, and sadly not a neutral one either. If you use the chat to make the game harder for you and your team, that's not a really good sign. For example: >stfu man This is really rude, if you don't want to hear a player, mute them, but telling them to "shut the fuck up" is really inflammatory. > learn english kid Mocking someone's english skills, you're just trying to belittle your "opponent" at this point, great, you're trying to win the argument, but already ruined the game. This goes on for a while, and is seen in all of the games. Additionally, we see you asking for, or calling reports out all the time. How is that going to help ? Oh right! You're showing dominance again. I'm sorry but this game is not a battle about who's the Alpha Male. This isn't the kindergarten anymore; it does not matter who started it, or if others said worse things than you, you are expected to behave somewhat mature, and not verbally harass other players. Sadly, your behavior cannot be considered "mature" in any way. You should've thought about your behavior earlier, at latest after your 14-day ban.
If "stfu" and "learn engllish" justify a ban then everyone would be banned lmao
Erniuks (EUNE)
: last season i had a normal pc now i have a shittt pc and its like very low graphics and i play with 20 fps in tf 15 fps.When you have a good pc its easy to talk.
I'm not saying I dont believe you, but last week I had to play in a 7yo laptop, I had 60fps with all low (then after like 2 hours it gets so hot and i had like 30fps) But if it's not a laptop you could play this game so easy at 50-60fps.
: You are so prejudicial to girls :( every girl isn't same don't forget that pls :/ I just put that smiles cause i like to put them :(
Yeah, not all girls are the same, some are good, some are bad, some are attention whores, some want to see all men dead...
: It could be but I just wanted to play with other girls and thought that if I write that I'm a girl I could play with another girls that's all :/
Then why don't you say that you're looking for a good **girl** ADC? This makes no sense at all, noone can know that you only want a girl by looking that.
Erniuks (EUNE)
: im not bad i whas plat 5 last season but to much trools and i cant get out of silver 1 because i tilt to much
Then why I was plat 5 last season and I'm plat 5 this one with **37** ranked wins? You got boosted? I don't really get why a plat is stuck on silver... trolls ain't an excuse, **if you got the skill you'll reach the league that you deserve with more or less games**.
Erniuks (EUNE)
: Searching for a silver-gold duo q friend
Translation: I'm too bad and I need someone that carries my ass out of my elo.
Jens Cole (EUNE)
: What's Nasus' biggest counter?
: Mandatory jungler rant of the day
1.- If I'm the midlaner I might don't have blues, but if i want to farm some wolves I'll do 2.- If everyone's farming your jungle, stop cry and splitpush a lane. 3.- Only because you play jungle it's the role that "does everything"? Fuck off and wake up.
Bombardox (EUW)
: This boards in 5 words
: Nah I didn't, I just wanted somebody to play with me I never want somebody to get skins from him
So why do you call yourself a "gamer girl" and put so much "^^" Hey look at me Im a girl ^^ >.< (ºc_º) Are you really a "gamer"? Im sure you play like 2 games if you do.
: That's kinda BS If a player lost 10/10 games but had an excellent KDA in all of them (carried their team) but their teammates sucked then that player should get better than bronze I didn't do that well but this is just an example.
If you know how to play you would be able to carry the game even with bad teammates, so if anyone loses 10/10 It's 'cause he's really bad and deserves bronze.
ZeeDrakon (EUW)
: Kda isnt affecting your rank, (and it shouldnt be) so if you lost 5/7 already youll most likely get bronze.
No, I saw friends that got 3/7 and they get Silver 4 or 5. It's actually pretty hard to get bronze.
gaby1best (EUNE)
: Next Victorious skin
What about Victorious Jarvan?
: A Gamer Girl Looking For An ADC
We don't care if you're a girl or a boy. Do you thing that you're going to get some guys paying your skins only 'cause you're a girl?

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