: Maybe you thought you ulted far, but didn't.
> [{quoted}](name=Shade Of Wolf,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ixqu31Vw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-27T02:34:28.881+0000) > > Maybe you thought you ulted far, but didn't. no im sure i ulted quiet far
: > [{quoted}](name=unadar,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ixqu31Vw,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-02-26T23:58:16.412+0000) > > i just hope somebody from riot notice abt it.i was about to escape and i was interrupted mid air if it worked correctly i would ve survived. dont worry its likely going to happen next year at worlds and then riot will be forced to remake the game then they will fix it in preseason 2017 for sure.
> [{quoted}](name=vampirekid13,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ixqu31Vw,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-27T00:01:28.785+0000) > > dont worry its likely going to happen next year at worlds and then riot will be forced to remake the game then they will fix it in preseason 2017 for sure. thnk god there's still hope lol
: seems like it shouldnt interrupt it based on the description of ahri's e. it might be an oversight due to the way shivs ult is coded i guess.
> [{quoted}](name=vampirekid13,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ixqu31Vw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-26T23:47:47.450+0000) > > seems like it shouldnt interrupt it based on the description of ahri's e. it might be an oversight due to the way shivs ult is coded i guess. i just hope somebody from riot notice abt it.i was about to escape and i was interrupted mid air if it worked correctly i would ve survived.
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Iao (EUW)
: Even though you might have a good winrate / he "works" for you, but that doesn't mean you should stick to him. Swain has multiple _serious_ issues, and as a used-to-be-swain player I can admit that Swain doesn't teach you a lot about the game. His role is very static, and so I would try out some other champions untill you find something that works for you + the meta. I'm not gonna lie- especially in bronze the meta doesn't matter or exist, but some champions simply tend to perform better than others. You don't necessarily go to meta champions, but you could try out some others such as Pantheon, Nautilus, Malphite, Kennen, Sion. Basically champions that do entirely different things- and rely on different things. For example Pantheon relies- and excells at early game dominance, whereas Nautilus will remain to be a scary tank, basically regardless of whatever happens. Kennen is a good lane bully, with really good scaling towards the teamfights, and Sion is a bully + Tank. Be critical of yourself, try out everything you haven't tried yet, and then draw conclusions as to what you wanna play Champion / Role wise. You can also try to find a mentor- or someone who ocassionally helps out, and watch your own replays and look at what you did wrong.
> [{quoted}](name=Sir Forgiven,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=nTyvWt8k,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2016-02-22T23:05:50.170+0000) > > Even though you might have a good winrate / he "works" for you, but that doesn't mean you should stick to him. > Swain has multiple _serious_ issues, and as a used-to-be-swain player I can admit that Swain doesn't teach you a lot about the game. His role is very static, and so I would try out some other champions untill you find something that works for you + the meta. I'm not gonna lie- especially in bronze the meta doesn't matter or exist, but some champions simply tend to perform better than others. You don't necessarily go to meta champions, but you could try out some others such as Pantheon, Nautilus, Malphite, Kennen, Sion. > Basically champions that do entirely different things- and rely on different things. For example Pantheon relies- and excells at early game dominance, whereas Nautilus will remain to be a scary tank, basically regardless of whatever happens. Kennen is a good lane bully, with really good scaling towards the teamfights, and Sion is a bully + Tank. > Be critical of yourself, try out everything you haven't tried yet, and then draw conclusions as to what you wanna play Champion / Role wise. You can also try to find a mentor- or someone who ocassionally helps out, and watch your own replays and look at what you did wrong. i was thinking about training on irelia and slowly replacing swain
Zanador (EUNE)
: Hi. I'm a bit tired now, so it might be a bit brief, but here are some strategy level advice and minor tips: 1. Poor Swain needs a chalice. : ) This is kind of the reason why he is not a top pick in mid elo now, since unholy grail has been nerfed so hard. Also i can't exactly tell how well you manage your mana without spectating your matches, but in general, there is no mana on earth that Swain couldn't use up and Rod+chalice is pretty much a core combo. (in before higher elo players. yes, i know that other items can help the mana management too, and there is a burst-build, but still it was core for more than 2 years for a reason) 2. Your job. As you mentioned in one of your posts here, top is kind of isolated, since most of the action is focused around the dragon through most of the game. Now there are 2 main things a top laner can do to stay relevant: Mobility/map presence. Think Shen, Pantheon, Quinn. The threat of showing up on any other lane suddenly and destroying it. Teleport spell has similar effect, but with obvious differences. Push potential. Basically either the enemy sends more than one guy against you or you destroy their inhibitor alone. The current meta favors this a lot, and many LCS matches are won by this. But it might or might not be so good in lower elo: on one side, they might just ignore you, and you win the game alone, or they keep ganking you, while your team is still inefficient at taking objectives. Either way, Swain top is a bit mismatched for both of these. His map presence is quite low, since he has absolutely no mobility, and as you have experienced without doubt: his push and tower destroying powers are both quite weak too. In general a top laner Swain's job is not so much winning his lane, but rather destroying his opponent. Think about someone like Jax, Trynda or Fiora who can win a game if they get fed.. Swain can stop them from getting fed. 3. Things you can do if you want to keep playing Swain top: Play a few matches, and spectate some games. And games, just watch the top lane carefully. Now comes the important part: Focus on checking how much advantage it is to kill your lane opponent or just forcing them to retreat to the base. Watch how much CS it means, how much gold, items, LvL. Check if you are gaining as much advantage from a won fight as you should (e.g. did you push the wave to their tower before retreating to max out the CS difference? ). And most importantly: do you need the ignite? In some cases the answer is simply a yes. Against champions that heal a lot, or those who would beat you otherwise. But if in some games you could pick teleport instead of ignite, you'd have a better map presence. Test item builds. Yes, you can't really go wrong with RoA+Zhonya, but i can tell you this about Swain: there are at least 8 items that you _really_ want to buy for him, and picking the right ones in the right order for each game means the difference between carrying the match alone and becoming completely irrelevant. I played a couple of hundred games with him, and even if i bought RoA or at least the catalyst on nearly all of them, he has a lot of potential builds, and that is real power in the right hands. Practice some basics. For Swain, it is zone control, that you want to master above all else. Since he is the slow threat kind of champion, your position needs to be perfect in order to use him at his best. You can spectate games of other immobile champions too for this, and always try to tell whether they are at the right place for applying threat and staying safe at the same time. 4. A useful little game for the loading screen: Doesn't matter what you pick, there is something you can do before every match. Watch the match ups for each lane, and try to determine who has the upper hand, who needs a little help from the team or jungle, who will be only good in the late game, and who is beyond saving and should leave the lane as soon as possible. If you have too many of the later ones, then try to leave your lane too, and call people to teamfights or dragon. 5. Leadership skills: As mentioned before me: Swain is at home the most in team fights, even tho he can handle himself in 1v1 too. Again, i don't know anything about you, but a _very_ common mistake when people try to organise their team is to make orders remotely. For example when a top laner tells the team to go for a dragon. Yes, he might be right, but most people don't respond to this, especially in lower elo. What you can do instead is to walk up to bot or mid lane, kill the enemy, and then ask your team for a joint gank or dragon. They are much more likely to listen, and Swain can be very impressive as he just walks into a group of enemies and melts them (if played correctly). As a half baked conclusion (sorry, i'm really tired now): First look into some of the basics, there is no shame in looking for any way to improve. Then think about the big picture. The goal is to destroy the enemy nexus, but how can you contribute to it the most? What is your job in that particular match? Winning your lane? Tanking? Killing high priority targets? Being a pain for the enemy in general? Leading the team? Following a more experienced leader? Even if your build and lane is the same in two different games, your job might not be. Learn how to realise early what you need to do. I hope this helps, and if you have questions, i usually check back for a couple of days.
> [{quoted}](name=Zanador,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=nTyvWt8k,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-02-22T22:57:48.379+0000) > > > As a half baked conclusion (sorry, i'm really tired now): First look into some of the basics, there is no shame in looking for any way to improve. Then think about the big picture. The goal is to destroy the enemy nexus, but how can you contribute to it the most? What is your job in that particular match? Winning your lane? Tanking? Killing high priority targets? Being a pain for the enemy in general? Leading the team? Following a more experienced leader? Even if your build and lane is the same in two different games, your job might not be. Learn how to realise early what you need to do. > I hope this helps, and if you have questions, i usually check back for a couple of days. tnx it helped alot u just said what i had in mind in why im playing swain top i play him to completely deny and destroy a champ that can solo carry in bronze if he's slightly ahead (fiora garen darius etc) i just want to take the resonsability of top instead of trusting someone that could mistake and ruin the game by giving first blood
Estti379 (EUW)
: If your winrate is so high on a champion, no reason to change it then!^^ It's just shows that you are very proficient on it (at least, compared to players of the same MMR range!) _____________________ >i don't want to play him mid since in top the bot lane don't usually come there and take all the xp and cs And this mentality, that might be one of the reasons why you don't feel like you have much success! LOL is a team game, and if you play it mostly as a stubborn and egoist top laner who never cares about his other comrades, you'll definitively loose a good percentage of your games that you should have won! If you get an advantage, don't just stick in your lane. Spread your gold advantage to other lanes, push for objectives (towers and dragons). All that will increase your chances of winning even further! The thing is, Swain in particular is extremely potent in teamfights, but falls short in duels! That's the main reason why he isn't that great at split-pushing =P In teamfights, he is one of the most annoying threats there is, and that even more once he gets a Rilay's and Zhonya's(gosh, I hate teamfights once he gets it ><) Swain is good at sieging with his team, putting alot of pressure on the lane he and his team is. Bad at splitpushing because he just fast-pushes a lane and then he needs already to go away^^' In teamfights he does great when engaging! But he needs someone else to hard engage for him, as he can be kited pretty easily^^' And even when the enemies try to engage your team, Swain does a great job at zoning their main damage dealers while your team takes care of the ones engaging xD
> [{quoted}](name=Estti379,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=nTyvWt8k,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-22T20:41:07.994+0000) > > > _____________________ > > And this mentality, that might be one of the reasons why you don't feel like you have much success! > LOL is a team game, and if you play it mostly as a stubborn and egoist top laner who never cares about his other comrades, you'll definitively loose a good percentage of your games that you should have won! > so u know i only said that because i feel swain needs an xp and cs advantage not bcs im selfish i don't mind sharing cs if my champs have consistent waveclear and i feel if you don't get like 2 lvls above ur enemies with swain you die pretty fast in a 1V3 so i don't really splitpush i just try to become a threat and get fed from lane that they should camp top it usually works and when it works after that i start grouping and finish the game but my problem is that 1 game out of 3 or 4 i feel the others lanes are too behind to help me carry that they can't deal dmg and i have this constant fear of being unlucky and getting those games one after another. thnx for the tips aswell ill consider grouping more early.
: Heres how to League in my opinion, keep in mind i was just Mid-High gold last season and i keep about 57~60% winrate OVERALL but i can also do any lane, im maining support right now 1. be able to play any role with at least 5 champions ( this helps you to play against most match ups ) 2. in lane, try to not miss CS unless it will get you killed 3. In lane - Dont take harras for no reason 4. Ward, Ward Ward Ward Ward Ward < This 5. do not flame or insult anyone and call them garbage, they are the same elo as you, also it will make them play worse 6. Dont do " op picks " or "Counter picks " if you cannot play them, its a good way to lose. / Janniel
> [{quoted}](name=ToP Janniel,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=nTyvWt8k,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-22T19:57:21.023+0000) > > Heres how to League in my opinion, keep in mind i was just Mid-High gold last season and i keep about 57~60% winrate OVERALL but i can also do any lane, im maining support right now > > 1. be able to play any role with at least 5 champions ( this helps you to play against most match ups ) > 2. in lane, try to not miss CS unless it will get you killed > 3. In lane - Dont take harras for no reason > 4. Ward, Ward Ward Ward Ward Ward < This > 5. do not flame or insult anyone and call them garbage, they are the same elo as you, also it will make them play worse > 6. Dont do " op picks " or "Counter picks " if you cannot play them, its a good way to lose. > > / Janniel i actually feel more comfortable in one trick poney style last year i ended in silver 3 by mostly playing swain it's not alot i know but last season i rarely played ranked since i don't want to risk losing. i said to myself maybe the fact that i prefer top lane this season can affect since it's isolated but i also feel it's a lane where you snowball the best and i can say i m a good laner bcs i never lost my lane to noone since the new season(in top) also thnx for the tips
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TTekkers (EUW)
: Not necessarily - in her current state she needs the team comps to go at least slightly in her favour.
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Nb8BPohg,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-14T14:00:46.783+0000) > > Not necessarily - in her current state she needs the team comps to go at least slightly in her favour. exactly i ve been wondering why she is bad right now but the only thing that explains it is that the current meta favours the team comps that counters her which means she can't jump at the carries as good as she used to.
: Riot said things about potential Swain kit update after the immobile mage update, so I assume a new splash art will come with that as well. Unfortunately, Swain's not high priority at the moment, so you have to wait at least a few months.
> [{quoted}](name=PentaBacon,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fkL1AqEU,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-02-08T20:45:23.076+0000) > > Riot said things about potential Swain kit update after the immobile mage update, so I assume a new splash art will come with that as well. Unfortunately, Swain's not high priority at the moment, so you have to wait at least a few months. probably next season i think
Poyoko (EUW)
: i don´t like it lol!
> [{quoted}](name=Poyoko,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fkL1AqEU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-08T18:40:27.576+0000) > > i don´t like it lol! it's not like the current one is good lool
Mepodis (EUW)
: That looks pretty nice tbh ^_^
> [{quoted}](name=Mepodis,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=fkL1AqEU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-02-08T18:23:41.946+0000) > > That looks pretty nice tbh ^_^ yeah unfortunately it didn't leave the pbe :/
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Vo1dWalker (EUNE)
: Lol dude this nerf is nothing for swain mains. Swain is a champion that might need nerf but he is also very hard champion because no one can farm and harrass the enemy at the same time. If you ever find a Swain main remember that he will not just destroy you, but he will vanish your whole team even if riot nerf him to the oblivion.
> [{quoted}](name=Vo1dWalker,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=iiAk6rrK,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-07T12:53:35.688+0000) > > Lol dude this nerf is nothing for swain mains. Swain is a champion that might need nerf but he is also very hard champion because no one can farm and harrass the enemy at the same time. If you ever find a Swain main remember that he will not just destroy you, but he will vanish your whole team even if riot nerf him to the oblivion. than explain to me why his winrate went from the best 10 to the 62th winrate aloong with his popularity (i once remember he stayed many patches having the 3rd winrate or so and riot didn't touch him) he's too immobile to pick now u can still get fed in lane but when teamfight starts u begin to really feel his lack of mobility and the "nevermove" nerf sure don't help considering it's the ability you max last so you'll probably be stuck with 1 sec root for many lvls
Saryn (EUW)
: Well thats how it works, champions are getting nerfed and boosted all the time and meta changes all the time :C
> [{quoted}](name=Saryn,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=iiAk6rrK,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-07T15:06:14.387+0000) > > Well thats how it works, champions are getting **randomly** nerfed and boosted all the time and meta changes all the time :C
Saryn (EUW)
: i can farm and harass the enemy at the same time.. I mean, who cant with so many overtime damage abilities?
> [{quoted}](name=Saryn,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=iiAk6rrK,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-02-07T12:56:07.636+0000) > > i can farm and harass the enemy at the same time.. I mean, who cant with so many overtime damage abilities? i find actually some difficulty in mid game with zhonya nerfed and the 1 sec root + his immobility + most of the champs used now are very mobile i don't know how u can compete with other champs the items that he use are so expensive also i heard that rod of ages will probably get nerfed soon that will probably make him vanish from the game
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Miss Fawn (EUW)
: FREE SKINS CONTEST
project fiora :)
unadar (EUW)
: Need serious help on Shyvana please
wow so many ansewrs it's amazing i don't know what this board is even useful for anymore apart from posting qq threads so you get some attention
TTekkers (EUW)
: You can play her top-lane too you know. Itemisation isn't as good, but she can 1v1 really well, get Guinsoo's earlier and push both waves and towers really fast.
> [{quoted}](name=TTekkers,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=Br7ckM2T,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-27T17:32:43.913+0000) > > You can play her top-lane too you know. Itemisation isn't as good, but she can 1v1 really well, get Guinsoo's earlier and push both waves and towers really fast. last time i checked her winrate in top lane she was the lowest that's too risky
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ZartarUK (EUW)
: its to help her fit into the meta more as she has no room in it atm
> [{quoted}](name=ZartarUK,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ENiJdM77,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-14T15:19:16.238+0000) > > its to help her fit into the meta more as she has no room in it atm the main reason she don't fit is the lack of item choice that would go well with her kit (mostly cooldown reduction takes more time to stack) which make her ult nerf who was done before the preseason useless and should get reverted that's how u buff her not those passive and health regen buffs that makes her laning phase even more uncounterable and toxic
SoulBawz (EUW)
: > also one of riven's problem is that she is very flash reliant in teamfight lol her abilitys give her so much more mobility than yasuo's when there are no enemies around, in teamfights and yasuo is forced to go the direction of his targets back, but riven can go anywhere she wants with her abilities so i dont think you can say riven is more flash reliant in teamfights than yasuo, and imo riven is easier than yasuo, way easier, thats why i stopped playing riven and main yasuo with over 120k points now :c
> [{quoted}](name=SoulBawz,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=r3TchRIT,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-01-14T15:31:37.378+0000) > > lol her abilitys give her so much more mobility than yasuo's when there are no enemies around, in teamfights and yasuo is forced to go the direction of his targets back, but riven can go anywhere she wants with her abilities so i dont think you can say riven is more flash reliant in teamfights than yasuo, and imo riven is easier than yasuo, way easier, thats why i stopped playing riven and main yasuo with over 120k points now :c no she's indeed a very flash reliant champ especially that she is popular so now she is very predictable the flash give that garenteed unepected kill/cambo yasuo on the other is not predictable thnx to his E especially in a teamfight in the center of a minion wave.
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meowsuo (EUW)
: I would say Riven should be better at single-handedly carrying. She has the "easier" to use abilities and should be able to keep up with Yasuo in damage. Riven has an AD scaling shield that can give her big amounts of temporary survivability, which means you can build her full AD and you will still bump up your defense. She has independent mobility and easy access to a knock-up and stun. Then she has her ult that deals bonus damage on low health targets and the base damage shouldn't be too shabby either. Yasuo is really reliant on his Q stacks and his mobility is restricted towards non-ally targets which leaves him often exposed. His defense ability is his charging wind shield Resolve that you HAVE TO play around to make a lot of 1v1's work in your favor. Yasuo has a really hard time when his Q stacks are inaccessible which happens when you don't have targets to Q and that happens more often than you might think. Your Q stacks also decay really fast and having your stacks and being at the right place is one of the most difficult things when playing Yasuo. Yasuo's ult provides strong team fight but also requires strong/difficult setup and that's where Yasuo often fails to deliver. His Wind Wall is pretty straight forward to use and is mostly a mastery of League rather than of Yasuo. You basically just need to know what you want to block and find a good way to do it, i think there's not a lot more to say about it. Both have their individual strengths and are not too easy to compare but Riven has easier access to her strengths and might surpass Yasuo because of this. I feel like the higher amount of conditions on Yasuo's kit make him weaker in single-handedly carrying games but he's still really strong overall. The difficulty in picking them up should be roughly equal, i guess. I played a lot of Yasuo and i think he's easy and pretty straight forward. Riven gave me a slightly harder time but that's probably just because i didn't play her as much as Yasuo and it's just lacking practice on my end. Both might be decent in difficulty and will get far easier the more practice you get. {{champion:157}} meow
> [{quoted}](name=meowsuo,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=r3TchRIT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-12-23T23:36:54.810+0000) > > The difficulty in picking them up should be roughly equal, i guess. I played a lot of Yasuo and i think he's easy and pretty straight forward. Riven gave me a slightly harder time but that's probably just because i didn't play her as much as Yasuo and it's just lacking practice on my end. Both might be decent in difficulty and will get far easier the more practice you get. > > {{champion:157}} meow yeah it's true i play alot of riven(8months) and im playing recently yasuo and he's definetely somehow easier or more fluid in terms of kit and not very cooldown reliant also one of riven's problem is that she is very flash reliant in teamfight
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Vryx (EUW)
: With the change, It's mostly AD champions that can AA for the crit benefit.. She does not hld Crit as a valuble stat enough to build for it. And lost 10% CDR early from Ionion/Sorcery changes
> [{quoted}](name=How do I Rengar,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=rdQnvhqo,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-25T16:28:57.628+0000) > > With the change, It's mostly AD champions that can AA for the crit benefit.. She does not hld Crit as a valuble stat enough to build for it. And lost 10% CDR early from Ionion/Sorcery changes that explains why im losing vs yasuo and trynd more frequently even when they go 0/5 in lane -__- this season sucks
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: Not Enough {{item:3070}} {{summoner:31}}
> [{quoted}](name=Fenris321,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hifBs6Pi,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-11-21T18:51:32.672+0000) > > Not Enough {{item:3070}} > {{summoner:31}} can you explain?
Demoyer (EUNE)
: What runes and masteries are you running with this build, ill give it a try
> [{quoted}](name=Demoyer,realm=EUNE,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=hifBs6Pi,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-21T15:46:27.996+0000) > > What runes and masteries are you running with this build, ill give it a try 3 quint ad 9 ad marks 9 seal of armor and 9 mr glyphs first time i tried it in ranked for how much the team was behind so i thought building tanky won't carry effectively also i was fed so main reason it worked well i noticed the powerspike come mostly after finishing tatanic hydra the aoe active with the devourer works very well masteries 18/0/12
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: She needs a nerf, thus she hasn't been touched in 4 years - because she is broken. If you all want that true damage gone - fine make it magic and give her 100 range more in compensation. The cries after that would be lovely. You are missing the point that she is the shortest range adc and has no wave-clear what so ever. She can't farm efficiently and she can only hit you whilst 550 units away from you. Ahse has W and global ult and slow on AA to catch after. Jinx has a W and Global ult (and Q in one of the forms) Urgot has Trololo E+Q combo that is probably valid in 1000 units range. Ezrael has Q and Global R Graves has R Lucian has Q,W and Ult Sivir has Q and more catch potential + Bouncing W Corki has his Rockets and quite a big jump. Kog has epic E,W,Q, R range Varus has Q E and R out-ranging her. Quinn has Q that out ranges her, and has the epic movement speed buff. Tristana has quite big range, turret push and two disengage tools. Well I guess it's just time for the seasonal Nerf Vayne thread, cause I have no Idea how to play against her. See you next year.
> [{quoted}](name=daniellizard,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=001a,timestamp=2015-09-30T11:06:32.754+0000) > > She needs a nerf, thus she hasn't been touched in 4 years - because she is broken. > > If you all want that true damage gone - fine make it magic and give her 100 range more in compensation. The cries after that would be lovely. > > You are missing the point that she is the shortest range adc and has no wave-clear what so ever. She can't farm efficiently and she can only hit you whilst 550 units away from you. > > > Ahse has W and global ult and slow on AA to catch after. > > Jinx has a W and Global ult (and Q in one of the forms) > > Urgot has Trololo E+Q combo that is probably valid in 1000 units range. > > Ezrael has Q and Global R > > Graves has R > > Lucian has Q,W and Ult > > Sivir has Q and more catch potential + Bouncing W > > Corki has his Rockets and quite a big jump. > > Kog has epic E,W,Q, R range > > Varus has Q E and R out-ranging her. > > Quinn has Q that out ranges her, and has the epic movement speed buff. > > Tristana has quite big range, turret push and two disengage tools. > > > Well I guess it's just time for the seasonal Nerf Vayne thread, cause I have no Idea how to play against her. See you next year. ok so by siting every other adc ability you want to prove to me that vayne is weak?also every single ability you just sited are skillshot that can be dodged by her tumble or in worst case by flash
: > [{quoted}](name=unadar,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=000a00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-29T20:51:02.668+0000) > > the only thing that will still be broken abt her is her w passive so i suggest making it an active with a cooldown That is way too drastic of a change. An active damage with a cooldown, and then you still need to hit them three times for the active to take in effect? That woulnd't be vayne anymore, she would be completely useless with her w on cooldown. It's the bread and butter of vayne, you can possibly nerf it, but not by putting a cooldown on it, that would be absurd.
> [{quoted}](name=IcyPhoenix1100,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=000a000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-30T10:05:38.690+0000) > > That is way too drastic of a change. An active damage with a cooldown, and then you still need to hit them three times for the active to take in effect? That woulnd't be vayne anymore, she would be completely useless with her w on cooldown. It's the bread and butter of vayne, you can possibly nerf it, but not by putting a cooldown on it, that would be absurd. ok here's another idea make the W deal physical damage and not true damage but will deal true damage when her R is active
: Ok she has much damage but she has really short range and if u are behind her damage is not that much and q you need to use skill to dodge it and you can still hit her easily ult can be counters by a pink ward and e by not standing near a wall so nope she doesn't need a rework and maybe a small nerf
> [{quoted}](name=lekkerdingXD,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2015-09-30T08:43:10.539+0000) > > Ok she has much damage but she has really short range and if u are behind her damage is not that much and q you need to use skill to dodge it and you can still hit her easily ult can be counters by a pink ward and e by not standing near a wall so nope she doesn't need a rework and maybe a small nerf lol if i remember sivir and graves have worst range than her and less self peel so your point is not valid for me
: Very good point sir. I hadn't looked at her this way. You are assuming that a person knows how to play vayne correctly, which again isn't easy, but your point stands fair. Now I am generally interested in your proposed nerf for her, would you take the early scaling down, range down, base ad? What would you suggest? Ofcourse keeping in mind that we don't want her nerfed out of the game, just try to balance out the issue.
> [{quoted}](name=IcyPhoenix1100,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=000a0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-29T18:39:11.274+0000) > > Very good point sir. I hadn't looked at her this way. You are assuming that a person knows how to play vayne correctly, which again isn't easy, but your point stands fair. > Now I am generally interested in your proposed nerf for her, would you take the early scaling down, range down, base ad? What would you suggest? Ofcourse keeping in mind that we don't want her nerfed out of the game, just try to balance out the issue. im assuming a person have basic knowledge of adc role could play her descently. did you asked yourself why she's so popular?she actually feel very smooth when you play her ,her design is perfect for an adc everything abt her kit is an aa boost kiting with her is more simple than kiting with most of other adc her passive is a cleanup she's the only adc that when you play her you don't run when you see a garen/olaf bcs you think you'll do no damage and die anyway but kite instead ...it's like comparing between driving a sports car and a basic one i think other adc's should be like her the only thing that will still be broken abt her is her w passive so i suggest making it an active with a cooldown
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> [{quoted}](name=GayFluffyUnicorn,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=0008000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-29T18:26:50.423+0000) > > Ah i see a silver scrub. > Now it all makes sense down voted for elo bashing
: So I posted this response on another boards thingy yesterday and I feel it would also fit in here. (I am open for discussion, and please do give your own opinion down below, with some good arguments, else I wouldn't call it a discussion ;P) I honestly don't agree. Yes her damage is very very very good late game, but that's what her kit is all about, it's who she was shaped to be. Her early game on the other hand is seriously weak compared to most adc's, which is when you should shut her down completely. One other fact I've not seen mentioned in this comment section yet is difficulty. Vayne is very hard to play correctly, your engage and kite should be on point or you get completely destroyed by the enemy frontline, no matter how much true damage you dish out. And if you think difficulty can't make for a champion having slightly better powerspikes, have a look at e.g. Azir: His damage can be enormous and with the ult you might not ever be able to reach or kill him before he kills you. The issue is that it's so hard to manage everything you do as Azir, and so his power, as in damage, can be somewhat higher than average. The same accounts for vayne in the late game. If you slightly mistime your engage, you do not stand a chance. Yes you could melt an entire team, but man, that's hard to do.
> [{quoted}](name=IcyPhoenix1100,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2015-09-29T16:38:27.111+0000) > > > > I honestly don't agree. Yes her damage is very very very good late game, but that's what her kit is all about, it's who she was shaped to be. Her early game on the other hand is seriously weak compared to most adc's, which is when you should shut her down completely. her weak early is actually quite questionnable let's be real her early game is way better than adc like twitch or kog who actually are completely useless if they die and fall behind unless they afk farm and get their 5items also people don't understand that shutting down a late game champ just delays their powerspike and not remove it so if a vayne is like 0/10 it doesn't matter once it's 30/35 min in game she'll just kill everyone in front of her
: I'm not hating or anything but these posts come in waves. 1 month no vayne qq posts, then next month 100000000+ of them, next month no posts. It's really confusing me x.x
> [{quoted}](name=jonisen22,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-09-29T16:13:08.778+0000) > > I'm not hating or anything but these waves come in waves. 1 month no vayne qq posts, then next month 100000000+ of them, next month no posts. It's really confusing me x.x bcs every other adc has been nerfed to the ground including her counters
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: 1. Her mobility is not an escape like ezreal, graves etc because it can't go through walls 2. She can only assassinate late game, if you think she has more burst than a corki/Luciano at level 6 you are deluded 3. If she beat you in a 1v1 when she was 0/4, you probably mispositioned near a wall
> [{quoted}](name=MLG Neko,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2015-09-29T16:05:25.521+0000) > > 1. Her mobility is not an escape like ezreal, graves etc because it can't go through walls > 2. She can only assassinate late game, if you think she has more burst than a corki/Luciano at level 6 you are deluded > 3. If she beat you in a 1v1 when she was 0/4, you probably mispositioned near a wall here comes the vayne mains and their "meh early game" btw her E+Q make a considerable distance of safety
: I know right, mainly the %Max health *true damage* , i mean i don't see much point building armor when the enemy has a vayne rolling around :/ She even melts through alistar's ult.
> [{quoted}](name=MacMuffinMan,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=EungA2Zo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-29T15:40:54.239+0000) > > I know right, mainly the %Max health *true damage* , i mean i don't see much point building armor when the enemy has a vayne rolling around :/ She even melts through alistar's ult. the problem is that her %max hp true damage is actually a passive that consist of auto attacking a same target 3 times it's too easy with no risk considering she's one of the best kiters in the game when her Q is max lvl
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: No. Nasus Q is an Autoattack enhancing modifier, better known as Autoattack reset, that improves his next AA. This "buff" only wears out after a given time or when you use an AA.
> [{quoted}](name=Stahlvormund,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ThNnrMWe,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2015-09-13T12:48:04.665+0000) > > No. > > Nasus Q is an Autoattack enhancing modifier, better known as Autoattack reset, that improves his next AA. > This "buff" only wears out after a given time or when you use an AA. tnx for answering
: Powerful and fun mid laners aswell as top laners !?
Swain maybe the only mage that is listed as a fighter he's a lane bully on both mid and top and ganking you at lvl 6 means doublekill.can build AP/tank Bruiser and still 1v3 and get a triple and stay healthy.DoT kit means you'll see alot of people flashing even though your spells will probably kill them cons?not viable against a disengage/poke/long range team,he got no mobility,hard to farm with
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> [{quoted}](name=Riven Lovejoy,realm=EUW,application-id=39gqIYVI,discussion-id=ThNnrMWe,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-13T12:04:25.265+0000) > > Yes but sometimes your opponent will still be able to autoattack you while stunned because of a bug. and does nasus Q go on cooldown once canceled?
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